California Passes 'Fair Pay To Play' Act, Allows Student-Athletes To Receive Monies For Business Endeavors (1 Viewer)

[huthut]

 Some bad google-fu there.

I thought it was intentional, which is what I meant when I said "Reported for Trolling". Getting the superior Gaucho mixed up with a slug. 

 

[rockaction]

It’s completely mind boggling to think a college athlete could walk past a campus bookstore and see athletic gear for sale that has his own name and number, pictures of him playing on a calendar or yearbook for sale, direct use of his own personal image profiting from his hard work and he gets nothing for it. Meanwhile, he’s told he cannot sell his own massively valuable image for personal gain, that value is completely reserved for the ncaa. For most athletes, this is the time in their lives where their image value is at its absolute peak, and he gets nothing for it.  At the same time - oh, your coach left school and your personal situation has dramatically changed and you want to go play somewhere else? OK, you have to sit out for an entire year. At the peak of your career, the time in your life where it’s absolutely crucial you are out there playing and competing for no compensation, we have the power to prohibit you from playing and destroy your career just to protect our schools from competition.  I can’t believe we accept that this exists. 

Hey, but at least we serve the important function of maintaining the integrity and purity of amateur college sports, right? It’s not like our institutions are massively corrupt and have constant ongoing scandals ranging from shocking sexual predators being coddled and fed to blatant, fraud, graft, greed, bribery, nepotism, discrimination and openly obvious corruption from top to bottom. 

Tell it, Brother CletiusMaximus!

 

[BassNBrew]

It’s completely mind boggling to think a college athlete could walk past a campus bookstore and see athletic gear for sale that has his own name and number, pictures of him playing on a calendar or yearbook for sale, direct use of his own personal image profiting from his hard work and he gets nothing for it. Meanwhile, he’s told he cannot sell his own massively valuable image for personal gain, that value is completely reserved for the ncaa. For most athletes, this is the time in their lives where their image value is at its absolute peak, and he gets nothing for it.  At the same time - oh, your coach left school and your personal situation has dramatically changed and you want to go play somewhere else? OK, you have to sit out for an entire year. At the peak of your career, the time in your life where it’s absolutely crucial you are out there playing and competing for no compensation, we have the power to prohibit you from playing and destroy your career just to protect our schools from competition.  I can’t believe we accept that this exists. 

Hey, but at least we serve the important function of maintaining the integrity and purity of amateur college sports, right? It’s not like our institutions are massively corrupt and have constant ongoing scandals ranging from shocking sexual predators being coddled and fed to blatant, fraud, graft, greed, bribery, nepotism, discrimination and openly obvious corruption from top to bottom. 

Is that the same college athlete that has passed 50 other college athletes garnering $100K to $200k in benefits that generate no revenue on his walk to the campus book store?

 

[roadkill1292]

Is that the same college athlete that has passed 50 other college athletes garnering $100K to $200k in benefits that generate no revenue on his walk to the campus book store?

You're trying to make an argument of some kind but danged if I can figure out what it is.

 

[BassNBrew]

You're trying to make an argument of some kind but danged if I can figure out what it is.

Current system isn't fair to for the upper 1% but the lower 99% are making out pretty well.  Doesn't surprise me that the gov't is stepping in to help out the upper 1% at the expense of 99%, it's what we do well.

For every Tua, there are 100 soccer/X country/golfers generating negative revenue but receiving huge scholarship benefits.

 

[roadkill1292]

Current system isn't fair to for the upper 1% but the lower 99% are making out pretty well.  Doesn't surprise me that the gov't is stepping in to help out the upper 1% at the expense of 99%, it's what we do well.

For every Tua, there are 100 soccer/X country/golfers generating negative revenue but receiving huge scholarship benefits.

How are the 99% being harmed by lifting the unilateral caps on the 1%? And why do you think schools give scholarships in non-revenue sports? 

 

[BassNBrew]

How are the 99% being harmed by lifting the unilateral caps on the 1%? And why do you think schools give scholarships in non-revenue sports? 

Very few of these schools are turning a profit.  That cash isn't going to come out of the universities pocket.  Usually when stuff like this happens, it's the 99% that ends up taking it in the behind.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  Most of these kids will need an agent to negotiate with the schools on their behalf (referencing licensed apparel).  Obviously the signature thing doesn't need to involve the school, but is ripe for abuse.  Might as well go to straight pay to play and negotiate contracts prior to stepping foot on campus.  Personally I see it as a step in the wrong direction.  I'd prefer seeing all scholarship athletes get x amount of cash regardless of sport.  Sounds like NY is headed that direction, but that won't compete with states that are allowing the best athletes to get more of the pie.

 

[Bossman]

Very few of these schools are turning a profit.  That cash isn't going to come out of the universities pocket.  Usually when stuff like this happens, it's the 99% that ends up taking it in the behind.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  Most of these kids will need an agent to negotiate with the schools on their behalf (referencing licensed apparel).  Obviously the signature thing doesn't need to involve the school, but is ripe for abuse.  Might as well go to straight pay to play and negotiate contracts prior to stepping foot on campus.  Personally I see it as a step in the wrong direction.  I'd prefer seeing all scholarship athletes get x amount of cash regardless of sport.  Sounds like NY is headed that direction, but that won't compete with states that are allowing the best athletes to get more of the pie.

The look on my face that matches Roadkills avatar when I read your posts.

 

[ghostguy123]

Personally I see it as a step in the wrong direction.  I'd prefer seeing all scholarship athletes get x amount of cash regardless of sport.  Sounds like NY is headed that direction, but that won't compete with states that are allowing the best athletes to get more of the pie.

Where exactly would that money come from??

 

[BassNBrew]

The look on my face that matches Roadkills avatar when I read your posts.

The look on my face that matches Roadkills avatar when I read your posts.

Where exactly would that money come from??

I post these two links for you to review.  They support and defeat my position.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/2017/06/12/the-biggest-misconceptions-about-the-finances-of-college-sports/#1831e4f8366f

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

 

[Bossman]

I post these two links for you to review.  They support and defeat my position.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/2017/06/12/the-biggest-misconceptions-about-the-finances-of-college-sports/#1831e4f8366f

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

I think collages are doing just fine financially.... this is what they pay their coaches; 

BC Salaries

Football head coach Steve Addazio and men’s basketball head coach Jim Christian were Boston College’s highest-paid employees in the fiscal year that ended May 31, 2016, according to tax documents released this week. Addazio received $2,488,949 in total compensation, and Christian received $1,463,235. Both have contracts that run through 2020.

 

[roadkill1292]

I hate that the argument keeps coming back to what the schools can afford because that's not really important. If it doesn't make fiscal sense for the schools (or boosters or shoe companies or anybody else) to pay the players more than what they're allowed to make now, then they won't do it. 

The issue is a unilaterally declared cap on earnings. The questions to be answered are: Should the schools be allowed to interfere with otherwise legal transactions involving the student and an outside entity? And should schools be exempt from antitrust law?

Most opponents of increased athlete rights will answer the first question "yes." Their game, their rules. Except that doesn't apply to anybody else. What makes the schools special that they can award themselves these particular rights?

 

[roadkill1292]

The Florida House Majority Leader announced yesterday that he's preparing a California-type bill too.

Edit: the guy is the Minority Leader.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Good. Burn the NCAA to the ground.

 

[roadkill1292]

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed the bill this morning. 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

University of Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez said yesterday in an interview that, starting in 2023, he won't schedule games with California schools due to this legislation. Football games already scheduled between Wisconsin and UCLA in 2029 and 2030 will remain on the schedule.  I think Barry is on the wrong side of this one.

 

[roadkill1292]

The Florida bill, which is proposed to become effective July 1, 2020 (as opposed to California's start date of 2023), was formally introduced Monday and Time just reported that a couple of Pennsylvania state reps are looking for some bi-partisan co-sponsors before formally introducing their own bill allowing players to make money.

 

[supermike80]

Bah...Make college athletics non-profit.  Provide free tickets to all students.   Discounts to alumni.  

Absolutely no student names on clothing.   And again, all sales of gear go toward the sports.  Any profit gets flipped to fund scholarships.  

Make it about the damn sports and not the damn money.

Oh wait..America

 

[ffldrew]

This will speed up the switch to club/academy for that age group.

Soccer is already there in the US

Basketball is real close

Once they kill the Golden Goose of football it will be over for all the sports

Small town schools in places like Ames, Starkville and Corvallis will be at a much bigger disadvantage than ones in major cities where the better marketing deals will reside

 

[roadkill1292]

I'm not sure what the problem is, college athletes are about to enjoy the same economic liberties enjoyed by the rest of us. 

The number of states considering or actively working on legislation similar to California's is now 11.

 

[Anarchy99]

I thought the threat by the NCAA was that all schools in states enacting this new plan would be forbidden from participating in all playoffs or tournaments across the board in all sports, even for schools that had no athletes receiving any money. 

Haven’t heard much about that since that was the threat / rumor as the NCAA’s countermeasure. Any more current news or updates on this side of the story?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I thought the threat by the NCAA was that all schools in states enacting this new plan would be forbidden from participating in all playoffs or tournaments across the board in all sports, even for schools that had no athletes receiving any money. 

Haven’t heard much about that since that was the threat / rumor as the NCAA’s countermeasure. Any more current news or updates on this side of the story?

That’s the reason Alvarez gave for his suggestion he would no longer schedule California schools in football. He said something about not wanting to play non bowl eligible schools.  

 

[roadkill1292]

Here's another reason the schools can't win in the long run, if by "winning" we mean keeping the athletes from making money. According to a recent Seton Hall University poll: 

Interestingly, when broken down by the age of respondents, 80% of those ages 18-29 supported student/athletes receiving payments, a number that dropped to 50% among those 60 and over.

 

[RUSF18]

They can't win because their messaging is awful. Reading some of the comments from the NCAA, conference heads, coaches etc shows how poorly they're all aligned on the topic. They're digging their own grave and I can't wait to see it.

 

[BassNBrew]

Here's another reason the schools can't win in the long run, if by "winning" we mean keeping the athletes from making money. According to a recent Seton Hall University poll: 

Re do that poll asking if the 5 stud football players and two basketball players getting paid all the money while the women get nothing and most of the other sports lose their scholarships and see how the numbers look. 

 

[Tom Servo]

Re do that poll asking if the 5 stud football players and two basketball players getting paid all the money while the women get nothing and most of the other sports lose their scholarships and see how the numbers look. 

On the face of it, it sounds great. But, the last guy on the bench isn't getting anything unless he's from a small town that a car dealer may give a pity deal.

 

[BassNBrew]

On the face of it, it sounds great. But, the last guy on the bench isn't getting anything unless he's from a small town that a car dealer may give a pity deal.

Are you in favor of health care for everyone?  Yes.

Are you in favor of health care for everyone but you employer paid plan negotiated by your union goes away and your taxes go up 10%?  Not so much.

 

[BassNBrew]

Are you in favor of student athletes being paid?  Hell Yes.

Are you in favor of your student activity fees being doubled so the QB slated to make 5 million next year can get paid this year?  Not really.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

anyone else think that Gavin Newsome doesn't really care about this situation and is just making a play for headlines and a "not so distant" play for president?  

 

[RUSF18]

anyone else think that Gavin Newsome doesn't really care about this situation and is just making a play for headlines and a "not so distant" play for president?  

Wait a minute...a politician might not really care about a position he or she is championing?!?

 

[rockaction]

They caved almost instantly.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27957981/ncaa-clears-way-athletes-profit-names-images-likenesses

 

[roadkill1292]

The NCAA is trying to make sure the process is complicated -- lots and lots of rules to be administered and adjudicated -- because that gives it a better chance of sticking around with that big budget and those tasty salaries. An open, largely unregulated market -- which is the way it should be -- is way too simple for the suits in Indianapolis.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The NCAA has no intention of doing anything here is my bet.  I'm guessing they plan on trying to make this as complicated and difficult as possible all the while starting the usual crap about non football/basketball sports being closed down and no girls being allowed to play sports anymore.

It's truly remarkable that people still fall for the NCAA scam.  

 

[rockaction]

The NCAA is trying to make sure the process is complicated -- lots and lots of rules to be administered and adjudicated -- because that gives it a better chance of sticking around with that big budget and those tasty salaries. An open, largely unregulated market -- which is the way it should be -- is way too simple for the suits in Indianapolis.

The NCAA has no intention of doing anything here is my bet.  I'm guessing they plan on trying to make this as complicated and difficult as possible all the while starting the usual crap about non football/basketball sports being closed down and no girls being allowed to play sports anymore.

It's truly remarkable that people still fall for the NCAA scam.  

Graet points and thanks for the perspective provided within the bold font that I took the liberty to add. On the PR front, so far, sounds like a loss, but I don't doubt they'll need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the next century. 

I love the dislike of the NCAA. For so many years I thought I was one of the few that viewed them as an inept, almost corrupt bureaucracy gussied up in the name of bad politics. Nice to have befellows, however strange in composition. 

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Graet points and thanks for the perspective provided within the bold font that I took the liberty to add. On the PR front, so far, sounds like a loss, but I don't doubt they'll need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the next century. 

I love the dislike of the NCAA. For so many years I thought I was one of the few that viewed them as an inept, almost corrupt bureaucracy gussied up in the name of bad politics. Nice to have befellows, however strange in composition. 

Every single time a rule change or policy change or societal change was couched in terms of money - meaning that someone other than the NCAA bosses could have a say in how they make their own money - the NCAA has gone nuclear on how it will destroy college sports, it will destroy America and college football will have to stop being played and dogs and cats will be living together.... mass hysteria.

It's always been a scam.  It's always been a lie.  They've always been a crime syndicate and they always will be until they are destroyed.  Their little vote two days ago is an attempt to slow down states from doing anything to them without their consent while at the same time being able to sell a load of bull to people that fall for their crap that, "look we are working on this but the people that want to destroy your family honored traditions of college football are going too fast and it's going to ruin what you love - so help us out and vote against them."

It's so ridiculous it's comical.

 

[rockaction]

Every single time a rule change or policy change or societal change was couched in terms of money - meaning that someone other than the NCAA bosses could have a say in how they make their own money - the NCAA has gone nuclear on how it will destroy college sports, it will destroy America and college football will have to stop being played and dogs and cats will be living together.... mass hysteria.

It's always been a scam.  It's always been a lie.  They've always been a crime syndicate and they always will be until they are destroyed.  Their little vote two days ago is an attempt to slow down states from doing anything to them without their consent while at the same time being able to sell a load of bull to people that fall for their crap that, "look we are working on this but the people that want to destroy your family honored traditions of college football are going too fast and it's going to ruin what you love - so help us out and vote against them."

It's so ridiculous it's comical.

Yeah, they're getting truckrolled by everybody and they're last gasping delaying by caving and claiming they're worried about the good of the institutions they helped choke and shake down is what you're saying, if I'm not to be mistaken.

I think your language would be as strong. I was just being more generous in my outlook.

But they're losing. Badly. 

 

[roadkill1292]

University of Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez said yesterday in an interview that, starting in 2023, he won't schedule games with California schools due to this legislation. Football games already scheduled between Wisconsin and UCLA in 2029 and 2030 will remain on the schedule.  I think Barry is on the wrong side of this one.  

Wisconsin legislators working on a bill that will allow Barry to keep playing those Cali schools.



(not laughing at gb Cletius)