Calling it Now (1 Viewer)

[smackdaddies]

We don't have the schedule out yet, but if you look at who the Seahawks play, Matt Flynn will be the monster surprise of the FF season.

When you look at last years defensive stats, you have to think he will put up a minimum of 10 2td games, with the potential of at least four 3td games and the upside of at least two 4 td games.

Home: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots, New York Jets

Away: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins

By my count there are only three teams on that schedule that give a good qb hearburn - Cards, Niners and Jets, for a total of five games. EVERYONE ELSE is in the BOTTOM Half of the league in passing TDs, with some being the equivalent of Sister Mary of the Blind when it comes to pass D.

If the Seahawks get a good schedule, you could end your fantasy football season with Flynn going against the Pack, the Bills and Minnesota - almost for sure 3 td games, with potential for more. If the Schedule breaks bad (jets/niners/cards), he will be the guy that gets you to the playoffs at worst.

Discuss

 

[Warhogs]

I'm tempering my enthusiasm. NFL teams can be wrong but I find it telling that nobody was willing to offer him big money. I think that shows most NFL teams don't feel he is that good.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Calling it Now Matt Flynn will win you the Super Bowl this Year in your FF Leauge

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Calling it Now Matt Flynn will win you the Super Bowl this Year in your FF Leauge

beacause the Team Im playing in the Superbowl had to start him?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Calling it Now Matt Flynn will win you the Super Bowl this Year in your FF Leauge

beacause the Team Im playing in the Superbowl had to start him?

Yes, Peyton Manning got hurt just before the FF playoffs.

 

[wadegarrett]

I'm sure none of those teams you mentioned will improve at all defensively and play exactly like 2011.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm tempering my enthusiasm. NFL teams can be wrong but I find it telling that nobody was willing to offer him big money. I think that shows most NFL teams don't feel he is that good.

How many teams needed a QB? Why would teams w/ QBs offer him big money? Not only that but why would you offer big money when the market did not dictate that (regardless of how much you liked him)...especially when you know there is only 3 teams in the bidding.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm sure none of those teams you mentioned will improve at all defensively and play exactly like 2011.

They could get worse.

 

[FF Ninja]

I'm pretty sure this won't happen. Flynn might be decent but this is a running team. He's not going to get many cheap <3yd TD passes.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm pretty sure this won't happen. Flynn might be decent but this is a running team. He's not going to get many cheap <3yd TD passes.

Keep driving his value down so I can draft him at a bargain rate.

 

[smackdaddies]

I'm tempering my enthusiasm. NFL teams can be wrong but I find it telling that nobody was willing to offer him big money. I think that shows most NFL teams don't feel he is that good.

But does he have to be "that good" with the level of competition he has this coming season? It is never just "how good" a qb is. Look at Freeman from Tampa Bay - two years ago - top 10 qb. Last year, suckola. Difference? Look at the schedule.

This year the Seahawks have a plethora of teams with terrible pass defenses coming up.

 

[footballnerd]

is now following players to SEA?

 

[smackdaddies]

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

 

[smackdaddies]

Just for terminally clueless, I am not claiming that Flynn is going to be a hall of fame qb. I am not stating he is even going to be a top ten qb consistently.

My prediction is strictly for this year, based on both his past performances, Seattle's surrounding offensive players, and the teams that Seattle will play this year, that Flynn will have a great fantasy football year.

It's not so much that Flynn holds the Packers all time TD passing record (although that is worth considering - not Star, not Dickey, Not Favre, not Rodgers), but look who he had those two big games against....Patriots, and Detroit. Look who Seattle plays this year - not only the Patsies and the Lions, but also Carolina, Packers, Bills, etc. These are teams built to be beat like a rented mule by a good passing offense.

But, feel free to ignore my advice and lose to an owner with more brains than you.

 

[meatwad1]

I'm sure none of those teams you mentioned will improve at all defensively and play exactly like 2011.

I tend to agree with the OP. The point isn't that Flynn is going to be NFL MVP with all pro stats, but is that he could be a late round gem who enables certain owners to make great 2nd and 3rd round picks in lieu of a qb. Many folks, NFL scouts and ff-ers, are scared of him because they feel he matches up with Kolb, but I would digress on that.

[*]McCarthy has a magic touch in developing qbs,and the Packers thought enough of him from practice to let him be the backup for three straight years. This is telling. I get that people will say the same for Kolb, and they are right that this puts him in his league.

[*]He has spent a lot of time in career sitting, which has helped him to develop into a cerebral qb, much like Tom Brady did. The NFL is a thinking man's game, the qbs who do well are the ones who have the capacity to process everything that is going on. Both times when he has had opportunities, he has delivered in spades. Here I am talking about the two games where he subbed in for Rodgers and his championship season at LSU. Kolb was very good offensive qb at Houston, but that did not translate into tons of wins, and he also was mediocre at best in relief of Mike Vick.

[*]He is going into a stable situation where the team knows the offense, there are pretty good skill players in place and good coaches who are organized. You could argue that Kolb also had this, but I don't think he is the leader Flynn is.

What it all boils down to is that QB = leader. Flynn has shown that he has that mojo. Picking him in the 7-9 range in redrafts is a good move, because I think he is a lock for 25 touchdowns and a buttload of yards.

 

[footballnerd]

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

not really, since I haven't started looking into it yet, just notice you love hyping GB players. he could be pretty good once he gets going later in the season, but you prob should have someone to get you to the playoffs. Also SEA switched philosophies mid-season to pound the rock with Lynch. Do they get away from that this year?

 

[BroadwayG]

Extrapolating his 2011 numbers out to a 500 attempt season, I have to agree with you.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Calling it Now Matt Flynn will win you the Super Bowl this Year in your FF Leauge

I'll finish the statement"....as long as you have him as a back up to Aaron Rodgers."

 

[fridayfrenzy]

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

You would be better served to present an unbias statement. You only outlined the positives. Negatives...

[*]Flynn is very much an unknown as a starting QB. His body of work consists of a couple regular season games and mostly preseason games.

[*]Flynn is new to the Seahawks organization, personnel and offensive playbook and will take some adjusting.

[*]Flynn may have looked good with the Packers, but he is now playing with a much lesser receiving corps in Seattle. The Seattle WRs are simply not as good as the Packers in getting separation and will Flynn be comfortable with having to force it into a smaller window?

[*]Carroll is still going to "pound the rock" with Lynch and rely on Seattle's defense to win games.

[*]Flynn will not be asked to carry the offense and throw the ball 60% of the time, but be more of a game manager and not have turnovers. The issue with last year is that the Seahawks could not rely on T. Jackson to come from behind, and Flynn may have that ability.

[*]Flynn will have a short leash which is added risk in finishing top 10. Carroll loves competition in practice to try and bring out the most from players, but Flynn is not the franchise QB of the future who will be given every benefit of the doubt. If he falters, Carroll will not hesitate to play T. Jackson.

 

[Shutout]

I'm tempering my enthusiasm. NFL teams can be wrong but I find it telling that nobody was willing to offer him big money. I think that shows most NFL teams don't feel he is that good.

How many teams needed a QB? Why would teams w/ QBs offer him big money? Not only that but why would you offer big money when the market did not dictate that (regardless of how much you liked him)...especially when you know there is only 3 teams in the bidding.

Agree. Plus, what does "big money" really mean anyway in relation to being an indicator? Kolb was given Big Money. Does that justify him? Sanchez was given some Big Money recently. Conversly, some very good QBS all started where Flynn is and earned more (Romo, Rodgers, Fitzpatrick). In short, failure to assess the situation correctly on a team like the Dolphins part, does not correlate to mediocrity on Flynn's part. After all the dolphons HAVE been known to whiff on Qbs before and, like said above, why would you roll out wheelbarrows of cash in an essential 2-3 team bid?

 

[Shutout]

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

not really, since I haven't started looking into it yet, just notice you love hyping GB players. he could be pretty good once he gets going later in the season, but you prob should have someone to get you to the playoffs. Also SEA switched philosophies mid-season to pound the rock with Lynch. Do they get away from that this year?

After watching Tjax "play" I think that may have been out of necessity (plus they lost so much o-line protection to injuries I don't know if they had a choice).

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'd put even money on Flynn not finishing in the top 10 fantasy #'s...

 

[Shutout]

I'm with the OP an Meatwad with this because they really do seem to have put some thought into this and it appears they are trying to lay out a roadmap for everyone. I don't know why but it seems the natural reaction from a LOT of people in this forum is to respond with catty sarcasm and I wonder how much of the post people really read and reflect on before they say something clever.

But I have thought on it and I'm buying it and for everyone who blew it off, Here's my catty reply using one of the posts from above (just to show that it is all perspective sometimes).

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

You would be better served to present an unbias statement. You only outlined the positives. Negatives...

[*]FlynnFoster is very much an unknown as a starting QBRB. His body of work consists of a couple regular season games and mostly preseason games.

[*]Flynn Foster is new to the SeahawksTexans organization, personnel and offensive playbook and will take some adjusting.

[*]Carroll Kubiak is still going to "pound the rock""Air it out" with Lynch AJ and rely on Seattle's Houston's defense to win games.

[*]Flynn Foster will not be asked to carry the offense and throw run the ball 60% of the time, but be more of a game manager and not have turnovers.

[*]Flynn Foster will have a short leash which is added risk in finishing top 10. the texans just drafted a RB in the 2nd round. If he falters, Carroll Kubiak will not hesitate to play T. Jackson ben tate .

 

[footballnerd]

I'm with the OP an Meatwad with this because they really do seem to have put some thought into this and it appears they are trying to lay out a roadmap for everyone. I don't know why but it seems the natural reaction from a LOT of people in this forum is to respond with catty sarcasm and I wonder how much of the post people really read and reflect on before they say something clever.

But I have thought on it and I'm buying it and for everyone who blew it off, Here's my catty reply using one of the posts from above (just to show that it is all perspective sometimes).

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

You would be better served to present an unbias statement. You only outlined the positives. Negatives...

[*]FlynnFoster is very much an unknown as a starting QBRB. His body of work consists of a couple regular season games and mostly preseason games.

[*]Flynn Foster is new to the SeahawksTexans organization, personnel and offensive playbook and will take some adjusting.

[*]Carroll Kubiak is still going to "pound the rock""Air it out" with Lynch AJ and rely on Seattle's Houston's defense to win games.

[*]Flynn Foster will not be asked to carry the offense and throw run the ball 60% of the time, but be more of a game manager and not have turnovers.

[*]Flynn Foster will have a short leash which is added risk in finishing top 10. the texans just drafted a RB in the 2nd round. If he falters, Carroll Kubiak will not hesitate to play T. Jackson ben tate .

only thing is that Foster was going into a proven system that pumps out productive RBs. Not quite sure what to think of Carrol yet, he's too new.

 

[CalBear]

OK, first of all, QBs almost never win fantasy super bowls. Flynn throwing for 30 TDs won't win you a Super Bowl any more than Mark Sanchez throwing for 26 did in 2011. When replacement-level QBs like Sanchez and Fitzpatrick are throwing for 20+, 30 just isn't impressive. For Flynn to be a serious contributor to a fantasy team, if 2012 looks anything like 2011 he'll need to throw for 4500 yards. They only have one potentially good WR (Rice), and he's never caught more than 8 TDs and has just one 1000-yard season in 5 years.

Flynn might be a worthwhile pickup. If things go well for him, he might even become a fantasy starter. But a major contributor to a Super Bowl run? Virtually impossible.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

OK, first of all, QBs almost never win fantasy super bowls. Flynn throwing for 30 TDs won't win you a Super Bowl any more than Mark Sanchez throwing for 26 did in 2011. When replacement-level QBs like Sanchez and Fitzpatrick are throwing for 20+, 30 just isn't impressive. For Flynn to be a serious contributor to a fantasy team, if 2012 looks anything like 2011 he'll need to throw for 4500 yards. They only have one potentially good WR (Rice), and he's never caught more than 8 TDs and has just one 1000-yard season in 5 years. Flynn might be a worthwhile pickup. If things go well for him, he might even become a fantasy starter. But a major contributor to a Super Bowl run? Virtually impossible.

In essence I agree with you, but its also possible that we'll go back to closer to normal QB numbers in 2012. You know, like when 3800/25 was very good.It doesn't seem like Seattle is set up for fantasy stardom for Flynn right now. However, I think they have enough good players that he could put up a starter worthy season. Too many good QBs out there to draft him as a QB1 though.

 

[Warhogs]

I'm a Green Bay Packer fan and I would like to see Flynn succeed but I do question his arm. I have seen him play a fair amount of preseason over the last few years and I was never that impressed with how strong his arm looked. I understand that he filled in a couple of regular season games and faired well and that is certainly a good sign for him.

Green Bay tried to play the game of suggesting they would franchise him but it seems then realized no other team felt Flynn was good enough to trade for and then give a big contract so he had to hit the open market.

Once on the open market he really didn't draw a lot of interest. Washington spent a ton to trade up and presumably draft RGIII without even bringing Flynn in. Arizona could have taken a look at him as well as Manning before paying Kolb his roster bonus but instead decided to pick up the bonus and roll with Kolb. Miami brought him in so his old coach could look t him and they did but even when they knew Seattle was interested they only offered a low value contract. Cleveland never really even expressed any interest and are sticking with Colt McCoy. Seattle signed him rather cheaply with a chance to beat out TJax.

Again, the NFL does miss on talents at times and maybe this is one of them. I just see enough hesitation from NFL teams that it would seem suggesting Flynn will win you a championship is certainly a very bold statement.

Anyone care to suggest some numbers instead of general statements? As someone said, he may be on your roster on your bench. Are you guys thinking 3500-4000 yards and 30-35td?

I sure wish you guys that are pumping him up could talk to the guys in my league because I can't get more than a 3rd round rookie pick offered to me.

 

[Shutout]

I'm with the OP an Meatwad with this because they really do seem to have put some thought into this and it appears they are trying to lay out a roadmap for everyone. I don't know why but it seems the natural reaction from a LOT of people in this forum is to respond with catty sarcasm and I wonder how much of the post people really read and reflect on before they say something clever.

But I have thought on it and I'm buying it and for everyone who blew it off, Here's my catty reply using one of the posts from above (just to show that it is all perspective sometimes).

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

You would be better served to present an unbias statement. You only outlined the positives. Negatives...

[*]FlynnFoster is very much an unknown as a starting QBRB. His body of work consists of a couple regular season games and mostly preseason games.

[*]Flynn Foster is new to the SeahawksTexans organization, personnel and offensive playbook and will take some adjusting.

[*]Carroll Kubiak is still going to "pound the rock""Air it out" with Lynch AJ and rely on Seattle's Houston's defense to win games.

[*]Flynn Foster will not be asked to carry the offense and throw run the ball 60% of the time, but be more of a game manager and not have turnovers.

[*]Flynn Foster will have a short leash which is added risk in finishing top 10. the texans just drafted a RB in the 2nd round. If he falters, Carroll Kubiak will not hesitate to play T. Jackson ben tate .

only thing is that Foster was going into a proven system that pumps out productive RBs. Not quite sure what to think of Carrol yet, he's too new.

Good Gracious! Where do you guys get your memories from? Is your google based in Bizarro world?Houston Texans NFL Rushing Ranking by year:

2005- 15

2006- 21

2007- 22

2008- 13

2009- 30

2010- 7

2011- 2

NEVER in the top HALF of the league except one time until Foster. Foster (i.e., THE PLAYER) made the difference, not the "proven" system".

 

[cheese]

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

Which were? His schedule and their defensive ranks?I don't necessarily take it as a given that playing against teams that were bad against the pass means the QB will put up good numbers in 2012. I certainly wouldn't just assume that it will put him in the top tier which would warrant this thread.If you're right though, you deserve credit. You're putting yourself out there behind a guy I would've dismissed without a thought previously.

 

[unckeyherb]

Kevin Kolb v2.0

 

[smackdaddies]

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

You would be better served to present an unbias statement. You only outlined the positives. Negatives...

[*]Flynn is very much an unknown as a starting QB. His body of work consists of a couple regular season games and mostly preseason games.

[*]Flynn is new to the Seahawks organization, personnel and offensive playbook and will take some adjusting.

[*]Flynn may have looked good with the Packers, but he is now playing with a much lesser receiving corps in Seattle. The Seattle WRs are simply not as good as the Packers in getting separation and will Flynn be comfortable with having to force it into a smaller window?

[*]Carroll is still going to "pound the rock" with Lynch and rely on Seattle's defense to win games.

[*]Flynn will not be asked to carry the offense and throw the ball 60% of the time, but be more of a game manager and not have turnovers. The issue with last year is that the Seahawks could not rely on T. Jackson to come from behind, and Flynn may have that ability.

[*]Flynn will have a short leash which is added risk in finishing top 10. Carroll loves competition in practice to try and bring out the most from players, but Flynn is not the franchise QB of the future who will be given every benefit of the doubt. If he falters, Carroll will not hesitate to play T. Jackson.

You certainly could be right. I would make these observations.

While Flynn has limited professional exp., he has some, plus he comes out of a know qb guru system. So while he could fail, I think the upside potential is significant. Flynn has the Packers all time game td record. Tavaris has.......

Most definitely going from the Packers to Seattle WR corp is a drop. No argument.

re: Pete Carroll - I think Pete is more than willing to fling the ball, if he had a qb that could do so. Tavaris Jackson is not now, nor ever has nor ever will be ready for prime time.

My main observation is that my point is not that Flynn is such a great qb - it is that Flynn is in a situation that will allow him to put up a lot of yards and points because he is playing many terrible defenses (when it comes to passing d).

I don't see Flynn ever being a top nfl qb. I do see him, this coming year, putting up a lot of fantasy football points.

 

[CalBear]

I don't see Flynn ever being a top nfl qb. I do see him, this coming year, putting up a lot of fantasy football points.

Define "a lot". Top 12? Top 6? Top 2?

 

[smackdaddies]

is now following players to SEA?

Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?

Which were? His schedule and their defensive ranks?I don't necessarily take it as a given that playing against teams that were bad against the pass means the QB will put up good numbers in 2012. I certainly wouldn't just assume that it will put him in the top tier which would warrant this thread.If you're right though, you deserve credit. You're putting yourself out there behind a guy I would've dismissed without a thought previously.

What Flynn has shown, twice, against playoff caliber teams, is that he can pass and pass and pass (with GB receivers, true) against terrible pass defenses. Which he will get in spades this year qb'ing for the Seahawks. I will admit that I am a tiny bit (hey, it's slow and the draft is to far far away), but I stand by what I said.

 

[smackdaddies]

I don't see Flynn ever being a top nfl qb. I do see him, this coming year, putting up a lot of fantasy football points.

Define "a lot". Top 12? Top 6? Top 2?

Top 10. And on key weeks, against Carolina/Buffalo/Packers etc, 3td weeks. Should those be weeks 14/15/16 - those scores will put you over the top in your league

 

[Heatman]

Seattle had pretty good success with the last GB backup they signed.

 

[footballnerd]

Good Gracious! Where do you guys get your memories from? Is your google based in Bizarro world?Houston Texans NFL Rushing Ranking by year:2005- 152006- 212007- 222008- 132009- 302010- 72011- 2 NEVER in the top HALF of the league except one time until Foster. Foster (i.e., THE PLAYER) made the difference, not the "proven" system".

We talking productivity in FFL here, HOU produces them.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm tempering my enthusiasm. NFL teams can be wrong but I find it telling that nobody was willing to offer him big money. I think that shows most NFL teams don't feel he is that good.

How many teams needed a QB? Why would teams w/ QBs offer him big money? Not only that but why would you offer big money when the market did not dictate that (regardless of how much you liked him)...especially when you know there is only 3 teams in the bidding.

That's the whole point..

More teams would have been interested, and been willing to pay more money if he was a better QB..

There were plenty more than 3 teams shopping QBs this off season..

 

[stbugs]

We don't have the schedule out yet, but if you look at who the Seahawks play, Matt Flynn will be the monster surprise of the FF season.

When you look at last years defensive stats, you have to think he will put up a minimum of 10 2td games, with the potential of at least four 3td games and the upside of at least two 4 td games.

Home: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots, New York Jets

Away: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins

By my count there are only three teams on that schedule that give a good qb hearburn - Cards, Niners and Jets, for a total of five games. EVERYONE ELSE is in the BOTTOM Half of the league in passing TDs, with some being the equivalent of Sister Mary of the Blind when it comes to pass D.

If the Seahawks get a good schedule, you could end your fantasy football season with Flynn going against the Pack, the Bills and Minnesota - almost for sure 3 td games, with potential for more. If the Schedule breaks bad (jets/niners/cards), he will be the guy that gets you to the playoffs at worst.

Discuss

The only note I will add is that SF isn't great against the pass. I remember early in 2011, according to FBG's matchups, that they were a good to great matchup for a QB and in the playoffs, they weren't good against the pass. I think the pass rush is decent, but they really aren't as good as the overall D rep. I don't know enough about them, but a hobbled Big Ben, Skelton/Kolb, Bradford with no WRs and other so-so QBs may have maked them look better than they really are. If Flynn is the real deal, the SF pass defense of 2011 (pre-draft/FA) wouldn't give him any heart burn at all.

 

[smackdaddies]

I'm tempering my enthusiasm. NFL teams can be wrong but I find it telling that nobody was willing to offer him big money. I think that shows most NFL teams don't feel he is that good.

How many teams needed a QB? Why would teams w/ QBs offer him big money? Not only that but why would you offer big money when the market did not dictate that (regardless of how much you liked him)...especially when you know there is only 3 teams in the bidding.

That's the whole point..

More teams would have been interested, and been willing to pay more money if he was a better QB..

There were plenty more than 3 teams shopping QBs this off season..

no, that is not the point.

once again, this is about a good qb being in the perfect place to score a lot of touchdowns and helping your fantasy football team.

It is not about Flynn being a great nfl qb

It is not about Seattle even having a winning season, never mind making the playoffs

It is about making the shark play and winning your fantasy football superbowl

 

[smackdaddies]

We don't have the schedule out yet, but if you look at who the Seahawks play, Matt Flynn will be the monster surprise of the FF season.

When you look at last years defensive stats, you have to think he will put up a minimum of 10 2td games, with the potential of at least four 3td games and the upside of at least two 4 td games.

Home: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots, New York Jets

Away: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins

By my count there are only three teams on that schedule that give a good qb hearburn - Cards, Niners and Jets, for a total of five games. EVERYONE ELSE is in the BOTTOM Half of the league in passing TDs, with some being the equivalent of Sister Mary of the Blind when it comes to pass D.

If the Seahawks get a good schedule, you could end your fantasy football season with Flynn going against the Pack, the Bills and Minnesota - almost for sure 3 td games, with potential for more. If the Schedule breaks bad (jets/niners/cards), he will be the guy that gets you to the playoffs at worst.

Discuss

The only note I will add is that SF isn't great against the pass. I remember early in 2011, according to FBG's matchups, that they were a good to great matchup for a QB and in the playoffs, they weren't good against the pass. I think the pass rush is decent, but they really aren't as good as the overall D rep. I don't know enough about them, but a hobbled Big Ben, Skelton/Kolb, Bradford with no WRs and other so-so QBs may have maked them look better than they really are. If Flynn is the real deal, the SF pass defense of 2011 (pre-draft/FA) wouldn't give him any heart burn at all.

8th best pass defense as far as td's allowed, 16th for passing yards.

 

[smackdaddies]

I'd put even money on Flynn not finishing in the top 10 fantasy #'s...

what kind of money

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I don't see Flynn ever being a top nfl qb. I do see him, this coming year, putting up a lot of fantasy football points.

Define "a lot". Top 12? Top 6? Top 2?

Top 10. And on key weeks, against Carolina/Buffalo/Packers etc, 3td weeks. Should those be weeks 14/15/16 - those scores will put you over the top in your league

10th ranked QB doesn't win you much.. At best, 10th ranked QB lands you middle of the pack depending on how many teams double up on top QBs..And I doubt very seriously he scores more fantasy points then all but 9 of these guysRodgersBreesBradyStaffordNewtonRomoE Manning P ManningSchaubCutlerRyanRiversVickRoethlisbergerDaltonLuckRGIIIMaybe show us which ones you expect him to outscore.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'd put even money on Flynn not finishing in the top 10 fantasy #'s...

what kind of money

Are you offering a bet? I'd love to take you up on this.. REALLY would love to.. How can I be sure you'll pay up?

 

[smackdaddies]

To be top 10 you need (basically) 4,000 yards or 24 tds.

But again, my point is not so much how much he will score in total, but when he will score and how much he will score in certain games where he is facing terrible pass defenses.

 

[smackdaddies]

I'd put even money on Flynn not finishing in the top 10 fantasy #'s...

what kind of money

Are you offering a bet? I'd love to take you up on this.. REALLY would love to.. How can I be sure you'll pay up?

says the guy who has only been hanging around these boards for less than a third of the time I have

 

[Shutout]

Good Gracious! Where do you guys get your memories from? Is your google based in Bizarro world?Houston Texans NFL Rushing Ranking by year:2005- 152006- 212007- 222008- 132009- 302010- 72011- 2 NEVER in the top HALF of the league except one time until Foster. Foster (i.e., THE PLAYER) made the difference, not the "proven" system".

We talking productivity in FFL here, HOU produces them.

Nope. Try again. Finishes each year suggest that only once have you had a Texan as high as a RB2 before Foster. Once is an outlier, not a "proven system". Conclusion: Players CAN emerge and make the difference.Houston Texans RB final rankings, by year (ppr/6pts for TD/1 point per 10 yards rush or rec).2009- #322008- #82007- #312006- #412005- #19Nope. Try again.

 

[Shutout]

To be top 10 you need (basically) 4,000 yards or 24 tds.

But again, my point is not so much how much he will score in total, but when he will score and how much he will score in certain games where he is facing terrible pass defenses.

based on those numbers, you are asking Flynn to, on any given week, throw for at least 250 yards and 1.5 TD, in relative consistency (not like Chris Johnson who get you 7-10 fantasy points half the year and 25-30 points some weeks and everyone thinks he's a god). Unlike CJ, we are going to hold Flynn to a higher standard and mandate that the totals aren't good enough; we want it spread out consistently?I'm still taking that bet. Assuming he stays healthy, I don't have reservations he can get 275 a game (4400 total) and a total of 28 TDs (shade under 2 a game). Both those numbers meet your projection. I'm in on that bet.

 

[smackdaddies]

To be top 10 you need (basically) 4,000 yards or 24 tds.

But again, my point is not so much how much he will score in total, but when he will score and how much he will score in certain games where he is facing terrible pass defenses.

based on those numbers, you are asking Flynn to, on any given week, throw for at least 250 yards and 1.5 TD, in relative consistency (not like Chris Johnson who get you 7-10 fantasy points half the year and 25-30 points some weeks and everyone thinks he's a god). Unlike CJ, we are going to hold Flynn to a higher standard and mandate that the totals aren't good enough; we want it spread out consistently?I'm still taking that bet. Assuming he stays healthy, I don't have reservations he can get 275 a game (4400 total) and a total of 28 TDs (shade under 2 a game). Both those numbers meet your projection. I'm in on that bet.

No, I am saying for at least 8 games he will score two tds and three games 3 tds. Some weeks he gets stoned. To be top 10 for the season he has to get either 4,000 yards or 24 tds.

 

[Pipes]

Seattle had pretty good success with the last GB backup they signed.

True but Hasselbeck was never really more than a marginal fantasy starter. While Flynn could be decent I don't see him finishing ahead of...1. Rodgers2. Brees3. Brady4. Stafford5. Newton6. Rivers7. Vick8. Eli9. Romo10. RoethlisbergerThen you have guys like Schaub, Peyton (putting him this low due to the injury?), Freeman (who will be very underrated this year) plus Luck & RGIII. Right there that puts him at 16. I'd even throw Cutler into his tier. I maybe able to sneak Flynn into the 10/11 slot but that's being very generous. I don't see him finishing ahead of too many, if any of these guys.

 

[mad_dog]

Great topic.

Gives me something to consider for redraft this year.

Love upside QBs you can get late in the draft - might have to think about reserving a late round pick for him.

Nice work.