I don't think you understand what either of those words mean.Funny - but I laid out specific facts supporting my statement. Do you have anything to contribute?is now following players to SEA?
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Tau837
Footballguy
Understand your point, but a question: as a whole, do you think this group will improve substantially? If not, the OP's point about SOS is valid.
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Tau837
Footballguy
I think the OP was making mainly the #1 point below, but possibly also the #2 point:1. His schedule in fantasy playoffs looks very enticing based on what we know now. That could set him up for high scoring games in the fantasy playoffs. This point doesn't really have much to do with throwing 30 TDs or 4500 yards or any other full season numbers. But it does have to do with potentially winning a championship.2. If one were to go all in on Flynn, it means drafting him later than many other QBs, which theoretically sets the team up to draft a stronger roster at other positions. This could mean that if Flynn comes through at QB, it is the difference in winning the championship.
Gawain
Footballguy
The 3 and 4 TD games have to count against the 2 TD total.More like:6 games 0-1 TD4 games 2 TD4 games 3 TD2 games 4 TD16 games, 28-34 TD
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I've had 3 different accounts here over the years.. but the amount of time you post on a message board really doesn't have anything to do with paying up on bets.. does it?Whats the prize? I'm in..'smackdaddies said:'Carolina Hustler said:says the guy who has only been hanging around these boards for less than a third of the time I have
Gopher State
Footballguy
The correct call here. GOOD POSTING'FF Ninja said:
Right and as I said, they benefited from a lot of subpar QB opponents. In the regular season Romo had 345-2TDs, Vick had 416-2TDs, Stafford had 293-2TDs, Manning had 311 2TDs and even a hobbled Big Ben had 311-0TDs. In the playoffs, Brees had 462-4TDs and Manning had 316-2TDs. So, "healthy" good QBs pretty much averaged 300+ yards and 2TDs+ against SF's pass D. In the other games, the SF D played passing studs like Colt McCoy, Andy Dalton (in his 3rd game), John Beck, Tavaris Jackson (twice), Joe Flacco, Josh Freeman (the 2011 one), Kellen Clemens (for Bradford), John Skelton (twice) and AJ Feeley (again for Bradford).Sorry, but the SF pass defense fed on some pretty bad QBs last year and got tore up by good QBs. If Flynn is "good" then he shouldn't really have trouble against SF. Their pass D is a little overrated due to the dearth of good QBs playing against them.'smackdaddies said:8th best pass defense as far as td's allowed, 16th for passing yards.'stbugs said:The only note I will add is that SF isn't great against the pass. I remember early in 2011, according to FBG's matchups, that they were a good to great matchup for a QB and in the playoffs, they weren't good against the pass. I think the pass rush is decent, but they really aren't as good as the overall D rep. I don't know enough about them, but a hobbled Big Ben, Skelton/Kolb, Bradford with no WRs and other so-so QBs may have maked them look better than they really are. If Flynn is the real deal, the SF pass defense of 2011 (pre-draft/FA) wouldn't give him any heart burn at all.'smackdaddies said:We don't have the schedule out yet, but if you look at who the Seahawks play, Matt Flynn will be the monster surprise of the FF season.
When you look at last years defensive stats, you have to think he will put up a minimum of 10 2td games, with the potential of at least four 3td games and the upside of at least two 4 td games.
Home: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Green Bay Packers, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, New England Patriots, New York Jets
Away: Arizona Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, Carolina Panthers, Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins
By my count there are only three teams on that schedule that give a good qb hearburn - Cards, Niners and Jets, for a total of five games. EVERYONE ELSE is in the BOTTOM Half of the league in passing TDs, with some being the equivalent of Sister Mary of the Blind when it comes to pass D.
If the Seahawks get a good schedule, you could end your fantasy football season with Flynn going against the Pack, the Bills and Minnesota - almost for sure 3 td games, with potential for more. If the Schedule breaks bad (jets/niners/cards), he will be the guy that gets you to the playoffs at worst.
Discuss
In fact, I would think that SF could be a defense to avoid. Last year, they had 11 easy QBs, 4 hard QBs and 1 hard QB at a great time (Roethlisberger). In 2012, they play Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Manning, Stafford and Cutler. They also should get Bradford twice (instead of Feelery and Clemens), Flynn twice (is he really good?) and Fitzpatrick (sometimes great, sometimes not). That list looks a lot tougher than 2011, especially if Flynn really is solid and Bradford returns to 2010 form.
cheese
Footballguy
Right, I think it's easier when an OP spells out specific predictions rather than a broad statement like "win you your super bowl". For instance, I think he's saying we can draft him around QB16, but get QB10 results? If he's right, thats useful. Even if he's proven wrong, its a valid opinion, but he could be more clear on what he's expecting.'Gawain said:
mjr
Footballguy
I already have Flynn as my #2 QB going into '12 (so far anyway) because I wanted to be able to use him in the event Rodgers doesn't play a game, so I do like the guy and have liked him for a while now. But it takes a lot more than a QB to win you a SB. No major injuries, good play from your picks, a surprise player or two maybe and a little luck.
You might be able to get Flynn for less but the hype can be pretty big by the time a lot of people draft too. Nice pick up if you can get him cheap, but its going to take more if you want a trophy I think.
You might be able to get Flynn for less but the hype can be pretty big by the time a lot of people draft too. Nice pick up if you can get him cheap, but its going to take more if you want a trophy I think.
I would argue that the lack of interest in Flynn is purely circumstantial. This is a unique year for qbs. First, you have the Manning thing, second, there are two surefire franchise qbs that are going to go one - two in the draft and a third that is projected to maybe go in the top ten. Then you have the fact that in the last year, there have been more than a few teams burned by signing a qb to a giant contract. Thank about it:'Warhogs said:
[*]Vick = play dropped off when contract was signed : burn
[*]Kolb = he sucks:major burn
[*]Bradford = giant contract for a guy who looks made of glass, and not that great: burn
[*]Fitzpatrick = jumped the gun after a good run of 6 games, he is average: burn
[*]Sanchez = no leadership skills, thus he sucks: crash and burn
[*]Coming soon: Joe Flacco
No one here is saying that Flynn is lock for Rodgers numbers...he is just set up nicely for success. Here are the pluses....
Low pressure
He got some good money but not a ton
He has good confidence in his abilities
He is a natural leader (something lacking on the Seahawks)
A qb competition with TJack
As far as his arm strength goes, it is obviously good enough...physical tools really are not the be all end of the game for a qb, if it was, why was Brady drafted in the 6th round? Why did Montana go in the 3rd? There is something to be said for a person who has a capacity to lead others. Looking at Flynn's resume, I believe he has that. When you are picking in the 8th round, pass on him at your own peril!.
footballnerd
Footballguy
getting way off topic, but if you're not even considering whoever the RB taking the reigns each week in a Kubiak system, more value for your league mates.'Shutout said:
I agree with this. People forget that with qbs from year to year, things do not always go as planned. Raise your hand if you got burned by a high qb pick last year. If you picked Rodgers or Brees you were golden. Rivers, Romo, Vick not so much. I would argue that you are better off throwing your hat in the ring for a stud rb, te, or wr before you draft high on qbs this year....Flynn is part of that reason.
CalBear
Footballguy
No, they can't. Mark Sanchez was the #10 QB in 2011--how many fantasy leagues do you think he won? The reason why not should be obvious; he scored 305 points, which is 183 less than Aaron Rodgers, and only 54 more than Andy Dalton. Scoring 3 points per game more than a guy who wasn't drafted in fantasy drafts is nice, but it's a pretty marginal benefit.
Phlash
Footballguy
He did more in his 2 starts than Kolb did in his 2 starts.A lot more...
Pipes
Footballguy
So really this thread could apply to a number of QB's in the 10-20 and not just Flynn. I think your crazy to predict Flynn puts up similar numbers to Eli and better numbers as Ryan. He just doesn't have the weapons that those two QB's do. I guess we'll see and I'm rooting for the guy I just think too many people are just chalking up 3500 yards and 25 TDs for him when I just don't think he has the horses to put up those kinds of numbers.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...let me step back and say maybe not Eli 2011 numbers. But I don't think Eli puts up those numbers again either.I think 4000 yards and 28 TDs or so is easily doable for Flynn...right in line with what Ryan and Manning had been doing.
