Calvin Johnson - already tired. (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

Detroit OC Mike Martz was just on NFL Network and said...

He hit the wall phyiscally last week. He is really leg weary.

This film clip of MM came after the commentator comment that Martz said CJ needed to work on his endurance and build it up.

 

[Bri]

He's never been thru a training camp...no big deal IMO

Rather he work so hard he gets to that point than not

 

[Kleck.]

Calvin Johnson, WR DETNews: Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz said Thursday that rookie WR Calvin Johnson has hit the proverbial "wall," meaning that his body is tired from all the work it's been taking on. "He hit the wall physically pretty good here last week," Martz said. "He's just really leg weary. He's starting to recover now pretty good. The information, I think, was starting to sound like Chinese to him for a while. But he'll sort through this. He's still got a ways to go now. When he doesn't have to think about things and when his legs are in shape, then he'll really progress quickly. I think that's what we're looking for at the end of the year."Analysis: Martz added that this is typical and that the Lions were expecting this. Figure that in between the end of the preseason and the early part of the regular season, Johnson will be strong. Remember, he's just a rookie, but he has a ton of potential. He should be a top pick in rookie drafts and a middle-round selection in all seasonal leagues. Consider him a No. 3 Fantasy WR to start the year with the chance to see his value rise.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

This is to be expected, especially since he missed so much camp.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Mike Furrey alert...I doubt he sees Martz's playbook as Chinese and even as great a specimen as Johnson is, Furrey's established dependability will not go to waste or be forgotten IMO. Could be great value

 

[Sweetness_34]

I got Furrey late in my WCOFF Sat draft for this very reason....WRs that catch 90+ catches do not just disappear, especially when you are talking about a complex scheme like the one Martz runs

 

[tommyGunZ]

WRs that catch 90+ catches do not just disappear

Mushin Muhammed down?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

WRs that catch 90+ catches do not just disappear

Mushin Muhammed down?

To be fair that came with a change of teams. Which isnt even the same scenario.He had 96 and followed it with 102 the next year in Carolina, then missed 5 games the third year.When he agan reached 93 catches he was signed as a free agentt he following year by Chitown.And he has been the leading receiver both years at Chicago, they just cant pass very well.

 

[PACKER 7]

I got Furrey late in my WCOFF Sat draft for this very reason....WRs that catch 90+ catches do not just disappear, especially when you are talking about a complex scheme like the one Martz runs

Yes, I'm very confused as to how a guy who put up numbers like Furrey did is expected to just fade away this year? Even if Calvin "Herman Moore" Johnson is the 2nd coming.Wouldn't Kitna go to him because of the trust factor? He's got to make a least a decent WR3 in '07 right?

 

[mt99808]

Marinelli and Martz predicted this when Johnson first showed up at camp. If anything it just shows he's on track.

 

[cjack]

I got Furrey late in my WCOFF Sat draft for this very reason....WRs that catch 90+ catches do not just disappear, especially when you are talking about a complex scheme like the one Martz runs

Yes, I'm very confused as to how a guy who put up numbers like Furrey did is expected to just fade away this year? Even if Calvin "Herman Moore" Johnson is the 2nd coming.Wouldn't Kitna go to him because of the trust factor? He's got to make a least a decent WR3 in '07 right?

Not saying it will necessarily happen here, but remember what happened to Jake Reed when Randy Moss was a rookie. Everybody I know was saying there was no way Moss would take over for Reed, before the season. One game into the season, and it was clear, Randy Moss was pushing Reed to the back burner. I don't know if Reed had 90 catches the year before, but I bet it wasn't too far off.

 

[PACKER 7]

I got Furrey late in my WCOFF Sat draft for this very reason....WRs that catch 90+ catches do not just disappear, especially when you are talking about a complex scheme like the one Martz runs

Yes, I'm very confused as to how a guy who put up numbers like Furrey did is expected to just fade away this year? Even if Calvin "Herman Moore" Johnson is the 2nd coming.Wouldn't Kitna go to him because of the trust factor? He's got to make a least a decent WR3 in '07 right?

Not saying it will necessarily happen here, but remember what happened to Jake Reed when Randy Moss was a rookie. Everybody I know was saying there was no way Moss would take over for Reed, before the season. One game into the season, and it was clear, Randy Moss was pushing Reed to the back burner. I don't know if Reed had 90 catches the year before, but I bet it wasn't too far off.

Good Call... Reed had 1100+ yds and 68 catches the year before Moss. It's not 90+, but pretty significant. Maybe, it'll happen again.

 

[texasheat]

He's never been thru a training camp...no big deal IMO

Rather he work so hard he gets to that point than not

Randy Moss never got tired in camp.... wait............. I see your point now.

 

[DoubleG]

And he has been the leading receiver both years at Chicago, they just cant pass very well.

And by "they" he means Rex "Ooops!" Grossman.Rookie WRs are usually a little to highly ranked in yearly leagues. In a keeper/dynasty he's the shizzle. Every year, however, one or two WRs come out of nowhere (i.e. Colston and Cotchery) so you don't always need to reach early. I prefer more proven players that early.

 

[Unlucky]

I compare Johnson to Holt's rookie season. Same offense, very talented rookie WR, strong veteran WR opposite him. Johnson is overrated this season. Next year, he'll be a monster and probably top 5 or 6. I love his talent. But, he's not Randy Moss. He's in a complex offense with plenty of other weapons, so he won't pull a Boldin or Colston. Therefore, I predict a Holt-like rookie campaign.

 

[Federal]

Calvin Johnson, WR DETNews: Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz said Thursday that rookie WR Calvin Johnson has hit the proverbial "wall," meaning that his body is tired from all the work it's been taking on. "He hit the wall physically pretty good here last week," Martz said. "He's just really leg weary. He's starting to recover now pretty good. The information, I think, was starting to sound like Chinese to him for a while. But he'll sort through this. He's still got a ways to go now. When he doesn't have to think about things and when his legs are in shape, then he'll really progress quickly. I think that's what we're looking for at the end of the year."Analysis: Martz added that this is typical and that the Lions were expecting this. Figure that in between the end of the preseason and the early part of the regular season, Johnson will be strong. Remember, he's just a rookie, but he has a ton of potential. He should be a top pick in rookie drafts and a middle-round selection in all seasonal leagues. Consider him a No. 3 Fantasy WR to start the year with the chance to see his value rise.

With my thoughts/disdain for Martz, I immediately assume this has got to be an attempt at some form of deception. This time of year when teams are breaking camp any coach who gets a camera in his face does little more than ramble on about how encouraged they are with the teams performance and progression, spinning with the best of them. Now we have Martz on a National broadcast explaining that;1. This guy is so tired he can't run.2. The playbook might as well be in Chinese3. He might be good someday if he ever learns to walk and chew gum at the same time.Is this an attempt to mislead a week one opponent?Is he trying to keep the new kids head in check?Or is Mikey just being sincere?

 

[Dreamer]

Of course he's tired. He's probably never been worked this hard in his life.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Of course he's tired. He's probably never been worked this hard in his life.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

He's never been thru a training camp...no big deal IMO

Rather he work so hard he gets to that point than not

Randy Moss never got tired in camp.... wait............. I see your point now.

Randy certainly hasn't even broken a sweat up in Camp Foxboro this year.

 

[twitch]

Chad Johnson...6'1 192

Marvin Harrison...6'0 185

Torry Holt....6'0 190

Steve Smith.....5'9 185

Reggie Wayne......6'0 198

Calvin Johnson.....6'5 239 He's getting tired because he's a TE playing WR. He's more Shannon Sharpe than he'll ever be Marvin Harrison.

 

[FavreCo]

 

[PantherPower]

<---- watching Calvin score a TD almost every weekend this season.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Chad Johnson...6'1 192Marvin Harrison...6'0 185Torry Holt....6'0 190Steve Smith.....5'9 185Reggie Wayne......6'0 198Calvin Johnson.....6'5 239 He's getting tired because he's a TE playing WR. He's more Shannon Sharpe than he'll ever be Marvin Harrison.

No, he is tired because Martz is intentionally running him into the ground to get him in tip-top shape, and also because he missed the first week or so of camp. This is a common occurrence for rookies. If you think he is a TE, I suggest watching him play. Size alone is not a reason to say a WR should be a TE.

 

[OCC]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this (at least from what I can see).

Roy Williams said the same thing last year. He couldn't do 3 plays in a row without getting winded. Martz runs his guys into the ground. This isn't shocking.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

just an fyi since he was mentioned in this thread and i also like him as a value pick this year...

Aug. 23, 2007 - 11:52 a.m. ET Mike Furrey has been missing practices recently due to knee soreness. Furrey had returned to practice at one point, but suffered an apparent setback on Wednesday when he was held out. This is a situation to keep an eye on in PPR leagues, where Furrey can be an effective WR4 if healthy. Source: MLive.com

 

[Birdie048]

I compare Johnson to Holt's rookie season. Same offense, very talented rookie WR, strong veteran WR opposite him. Johnson is overrated this season. Next year, he'll be a monster and probably top 5 or 6. I love his talent. But, he's not Randy Moss. He's in a complex offense with plenty of other weapons, so he won't pull a Boldin or Colston. Therefore, I predict a Holt-like rookie campaign.

16 Games3 Rushes25 Yards 52 Rec788 Yards6 TD #35 WR Rank Not a bad start to a solid career!

 

[Raiders Fan]

Too much rookie kool aid. sorry but we all know most rookie WR's take at least a year if not 2 to get into studville. You guys continue to see something that is a few years away. This isn't college with DB's that are in it for a scholarship. These are DB's who are being paid.. He will have a lot of growing pains. Obviously long term he is very high.. Remember we are talking about Lion WR's.. They bust more then prosper.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I got Furrey late in my WCOFF Sat draft for this very reason....WRs that catch 90+ catches do not just disappear, especially when you are talking about a complex scheme like the one Martz runs

Yes, I'm very confused as to how a guy who put up numbers like Furrey did is expected to just fade away this year? Even if Calvin "Herman Moore" Johnson is the 2nd coming.Wouldn't Kitna go to him because of the trust factor? He's got to make a least a decent WR3 in '07 right?

It happens when you pick a guy NO.2, the GM is beyond being on the hot seat, you know that you're WR picks of Charlie Rogers and Williams turned out to be absolute BUSTS.If you're gonna throw the ball to Furrey........then why would you draft Johnson?That's an entirely different argument on why the Lions drafted him when Furrey and McDonald are on the team.......something discussed a million times over during the winter. The facts are they did draft him so you can be sure the Lions WILL try to get him the ball some and Furrey will NOT be used as much last year, not even close.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

It's the Lions. This kid is totally overhyped and a Randy Moss he is not.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

It's the Lions. This kid is totally overhyped and a Randy Moss he is not.

Who is? He could easily be as good as Roy Williams is though and that's pretty darn good.

 

[Da Guru]

Mike Furrey alert...I doubt he sees Martz's playbook as Chinese and even as great a specimen as Johnson is, Furrey's established dependability will not go to waste or be forgotten IMO. Could be great value

Furrey is dinged..hurt his knee.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Chad Johnson...6'1 192Marvin Harrison...6'0 185Torry Holt....6'0 190Steve Smith.....5'9 185Reggie Wayne......6'0 198Calvin Johnson.....6'5 239 He's getting tired because he's a TE playing WR. He's more Shannon Sharpe than he'll ever be Marvin Harrison.

Martz is big on conditioning, Calvin isn't the 1st and wont be the last. I remember last year some WR's complaining about how tuff it was.Why do you think guys like Drummond and Furrey or what about Scottie Vines?! got better when Martz arrived, got that ### in tip top shape. His boy are always ready to go.

 

[twitch]

Chad Johnson...6'1 192

Marvin Harrison...6'0 185

Torry Holt....6'0 190

Steve Smith.....5'9 185

Reggie Wayne......6'0 198

Calvin Johnson.....6'5 239 He's getting tired because he's a TE playing WR. He's more Shannon Sharpe than he'll ever be Marvin Harrison.

No, he is tired because Martz is intentionally running him into the ground to get him in tip-top shape, and also because he missed the first week or so of camp. This is a common occurrence for rookies. If you think he is a TE, I suggest watching him play. Size alone is not a reason to say a WR should be a TE.

Watching him play....there's an idea. My simple point is that quickness, not size, make a great receiver. If he has the quicks, he'll be a great WR. If he doesnt, he'll be a tweener. He'll be a nice player and a good fantasty player, but not an elite WR. His size draws comparisons to 2 players worth mentioning.....Moss and TO. Moss was 198 when he came into the league (and was at his best). He didnt even weigh 200lbs. So with that slight of a build, Moss may not actually be a very good comparison. TO is someone I have a tough time comparing anyone to. But with that kindof size/straight speed combo, TO's the obvious ideal comparison for Calvin. Not that he really needs to be compared to anyone. He can be his own man. He can re-define the position. He can be the greatest WR we've ever seen. But to do that, he'd better be quick. Detroit QBs were sacked over 60 times last year....they more than most need guys getting open in a hurry. But I agree with you in that size alone shouldnt define his position. That wasnt my focal point and not the message I was trying to deliver.

 

[anguskahn]

Mike Furrey alert...I doubt he sees Martz's playbook as Chinese and even as great a specimen as Johnson is, Furrey's established dependability will not go to waste or be forgotten IMO. Could be great value

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