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Calvin Johnson poll (1 Viewer)

Will Calvin Johnson be a top 10 WR in 2008?

  • Yes, Calvin Johnson will be a top 10 WR

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, Borbely is crazy for thinking he will because he will not

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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Anthony Borbely

Anthony Borbely

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Assuming he plays 16 games, Will Calvin Johnson be a top 10 WR in 2008?

A simple yes or no will do. I'm not looking for a "he can or he cannot"; I'm looking for a "he will or he will not".

I think he will break out in a big way. I believe his target numbers will be much higher than under Martz. Last year, McDonald and Furrey had more combined targets than Calvin and Roy.

I also think the target percentage will be higher because there will be fewer deep drops and lower percentage downfield passes.

I expect the masses to disagree, but I'm interested to see the results. As of this post, I am the only staffer to have him ranked in the top 10.

If you think I'm crazy, go ahead and tell me.

 
I don't think it's fair to throw in there assuming he plays 16 games, it's like me saying assuming Aaron Rodgers plays 16 games he's going to have a good year. Him getting hurt is part of the deal, he got hurt last year, he's a big guy and tries to make some acrobatic catches, those catches in tight places come with a certain amount of risk.

Anyway, I don't think you're crazy, the guy is an amazing talent. What we don't know is exactly what kind of offense we're going to see from the Lions. I do believe Furry and McDonald's targets will be way down, so you'd assume that when the Lions pass, it'll have to be to Williams and Johnson. As you know, Johnson's been very good in camp so far.

Here's what has to happen for him to be a top 10 receiver. The Lions HAVE to run the ball successfully. That will bring the safeties down and then you will see Calvin absolutely run thru the secondaries.

If the offensive line can't get the running game going, then the safeties will be doubling on the WR's or crushing Kitna, both not good scenarios.

So, I'm going to officially say NO because of the Lions offensive line of all things. I will say it's a possibility, you're not crazy and I'll take it further I like Rod Marinelli and I believe in him. I think the Lions will be a tougher team than they were last year.

 
I think he will. This reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald and his rookie year. Fitzgerald was bothered by an ankle injury all season and it seemed to inhibit him all season. I think Calvin's injury was even worse and it definitely held him back last year.

ETA- just like Fitzgeralds's second year, most of the projections I see for him are playing it safe and predicting 900-1000 range.

Just like Larry Fitzgerald you have a receiver with incredible physical skills and a work ethic to match. Barring injury, I believe he will be successful this year.

If you wait until he proves himself this year it will be too late to get him in any keeper/dynasty leagues.

 
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I don't see him cracking the top ten this year, but he'll be knocking on the door. It's close enough that I don't think your crazy, just mildly eccentric. :goodposting:

 
Nah, Roy has a better year this year but will be gone next year.

Which is when Johnson will take over as #1 option, but who will the qb be?

 
Yes, top 10. I understand there is the occasional Michael Clayton type who has a nice rookie year and then flounders, but IMHO people are missing how significant it was that he accumulated 750 receiving yards as a rookie. That's somewhat rarified air, particularly considering the Martz scheme of over-emphasizing quick slants to slot receivers, and not giving Kitna enough time to target Roy/Calvin downfield. When the offense changes to become more vanilla, blocking will be better and Roy/Calvin can become frequent downfield targets, particualrly when I expect Detroit to be playing from behind more often than not. I see a lot of jump ball opportunities, somewhat similar to Randy Moss circa 1998, where they are going to chuck it until DBs/satefties prove they can best Calvin in that situation.

 
I think he has the talent to be in the top 10, but I simply don't even have a guess if he'll do it. Being that I'm in Philly I don't get to hear much about Lions camp/scrimmages/etc. What has the word been on Calvin? Have we seen anything in particular that sheds light one way or another? What does this offense look like for the WRs?

 
I had to vote you are crazy only because you set a pretty lofty goal and set parameters where it was a yes or no. I think he has a chance to be top 10 and I feel he has an extremely high chance to be top 20. Like others, I think most are at this point putting him more around 15 and not top 10.

 
Top 10 talent...yes. But with Kitna and Roy Williams in the mix I think it will be difficult and probably entirely dependent on his TD production. Never easy to predict.

 
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Outside of Moss/Wayne/TO he's got as good of a shot as any WR to get into the top 10.So yes, i think he will.
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If your talking top 10, you have to put Chad Johnson in there, the last 5 years he's finished 3,9,4,4,6. He's a lock for top 10 over anybody in the league in my estimation.
 
No, he will barely be in the top 20. Probably around WR17 or so IMO. Roy will be top 15 and the better WR on the Lions. Even he will not reach the top 10, but he will be awfully close (WR12 or so) and produce like a boarder line WR1.

 
This guy was supposed to be Randy Moss 2, correct?

I've got him on my draft only if extreme value not at ADP list along with the rest of the Detroit Lions.

 
Depends if the Lions can throw more than more than 19 TDs. Calvin and Roy can prosper but the QB play must improve and get consistant.

 
Will Calvin Johnson be a top 10 WR in 2008?

Yes, Calvin Johnson will be a top 10 WR [ 49 ] ** [39.52%]

No, Borbely is crazy for thinking he will because he will not [ 75 ] ** [60.48%]

Total Votes: 132

:moneybag:

Since when is 75 + 49 = 132? :lmao:

 
i'm thinking the perennial top10 CJ2 train gets up to full speed by 2009

this year, it is still gaining speed and I see him at 15-20

 
No. The top ten from last year are in good shape to repeat their performances with the exception of Marshall, then you have quite a few other players who are going to attack that group. Jennings as the primary target for the whole year (questions about rodgers though), Holt, Andre Johnson, Boldin, Holmes. A few others who have outside shots Roy Williams, Joey Galloway if Favre ends up in Tampa, Roddy White- I would put CJs chances in this group.

 
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Kitna will get the ball in their hands. He's done that for the past 2 seasons. He just isn't upright often enough to do it consistently.
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Kitna couldn't find the endzone or his receivers last year with Martz. This year it's a whole new system. I see the Lions falling backwards not forward and all the skill position players are going down with them.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Phlash said:
Kitna will get the ball in their hands. He's done that for the past 2 seasons. He just isn't upright often enough to do it consistently.
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Kitna couldn't find the endzone or his receivers last year with Martz. This year it's a whole new system. I see the Lions falling backwards not forward and all the skill position players are going down with them.
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63 comp%, over 4,000 yards, 7.2 ypa - he found his receivers okGranted 18 TDs was a big disapointment.
 
zadok said:
ScoobyDoo said:
Phlash said:
Kitna will get the ball in their hands. He's done that for the past 2 seasons. He just isn't upright often enough to do it consistently.
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Kitna couldn't find the endzone or his receivers last year with Martz. This year it's a whole new system. I see the Lions falling backwards not forward and all the skill position players are going down with them.
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63 comp%, over 4,000 yards, 7.2 ypa - he found his receivers okGranted 18 TDs was a big disapointment.
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It's no wonder the TD passes were low. Calvin and Roy had a total of THREE targets between them when the Lions were inside the five yard line. Considering their size and physical skills, that is the most mind boggling stat I saw last year.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Phlash said:
Kitna will get the ball in their hands. He's done that for the past 2 seasons. He just isn't upright often enough to do it consistently.
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Kitna couldn't find the endzone or his receivers last year with Martz. This year it's a whole new system. I see the Lions falling backwards not forward and all the skill position players are going down with them.
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Kitna found plenty of receivers last year, that was the problem. The offense they are running is a simplified form of the Martz offense they used last year. From what I've heard throughout the spring it uses the same language and plays as last year, only less complicated and less receivers to spread the ball to. Roy and Calvin should actually see MORE looks this year and Kitna should have MORE time to find them in this more balanced offense. If Smith can give Detroit a little bit of a ground game Detroit might have a shot at winning a few games.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
zadok said:
ScoobyDoo said:
Phlash said:
Kitna will get the ball in their hands. He's done that for the past 2 seasons. He just isn't upright often enough to do it consistently.
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Kitna couldn't find the endzone or his receivers last year with Martz. This year it's a whole new system. I see the Lions falling backwards not forward and all the skill position players are going down with them.
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63 comp%, over 4,000 yards, 7.2 ypa - he found his receivers okGranted 18 TDs was a big disapointment.
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It's no wonder the TD passes were low. Calvin and Roy had a total of THREE targets between them when the Lions were inside the five yard line. Considering their size and physical skills, that is the most mind boggling stat I saw last year.
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How many times where the Lions inside the 5 last year, 5? :hifive:
 
No.

Loved him last year, but knew endurance, at the NFL level, would be an issue for him.

Kevin Smith may very well hold the keys to Roy or CJ finding the top 6-10. oof

 
With the exception of Randy Moss, he was the most dominant college WR I have ever seen. Roy Willaims being around doesnt bother me at all. Chris Carter didnt seem to hurt Moss, Fitz wasnt effected by Boldin already being in Arizona. Fact is, talent always rises to the top, and CJ will put up numbers wether Roy is around or not. Something about being in Detroit scares me a little, but i still think Moss like domination is in Johnsons near future.

 
I don't know what to think about Calvin. I can't remember a wide receiver that big that has played at an elite level. But I'm not sure there has ever been one that size with his skills. Either he's going to break the mold of the position, which is possible considering how athletes keeping getting bigger, faster, stronger. Or, his sheer mass will be a detriment to his production/health.

 
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