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Calvin Johnson - Roy Williams (1 Viewer)

Grant Hill's dad is coming out of retirement to play for Detroit? He and Roy Williams dont even play the same position.

 
I think it helps Roy, but devastates Furrey's value. Furrey goes from WR2 to WR3 and loses probably half his targets. Tough call for him, while Roy can run wild and free against single coverage.

 
Rev said:
I think it helps Roy, but devastates Furrey's value. Furrey goes from WR2 to WR3 and loses probably half his targets. Tough call for him, while Roy can run wild and free against single coverage.
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IMO, Furrey went from WR2 to WR3 when they signed Shaun McDonald, who was well ahead of him on the depth chart in St. Louis. Now he's WR4.
 
ffguru56 said:
Assuming Johnson isn't traded, how does he affect the value of Roy Williams for now and the future?
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I think it helps, certainly while Martz is around. WE've seen he can use two guys effectively, and Roy will benefit from less double and triple coverage.
 
Rev said:
I think it helps Roy, but devastates Furrey's value. Furrey goes from WR2 to WR3 and loses probably half his targets. Tough call for him, while Roy can run wild and free against single coverage.
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Helps? :goodposting:
 
oukurt said:
Rev said:
I think it helps Roy, but devastates Furrey's value. Furrey goes from WR2 to WR3 and loses probably half his targets. Tough call for him, while Roy can run wild and free against single coverage.
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Helps? :lmao:
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i think its been proven that there are more than enough balls for two elite WRs to get their #'s. no more double (or triple) teams for roy, which should mean no more stinker 2 catch 10 yard games.
 
Spartans Rule said:
Rev said:
I think it helps Roy, but devastates Furrey's value. Furrey goes from WR2 to WR3 and loses probably half his targets. Tough call for him, while Roy can run wild and free against single coverage.
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IMO, Furrey went from WR2 to WR3 when they signed Shaun McDonald, who was well ahead of him on the depth chart in St. Louis. Now he's WR4.
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I don't know man. Furrey had 90+ catches last season. Shaun 'ol' McDonald wasn't giving Furrey owners weak knees. It's CJ that's got them crying now.
 
Im seeing a big year for Jon Kitna.......from peter king: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...raft0507/2.html

"I've got goose bumps," Detroit offensive coordinator Mike Martz said on Saturday night, already plotting plays to take advantage of Johnson's skills. "I've never been so excited for a season to start." The orchestrator of the Greatest Show on Turf as coach of the Rams eight years ago, Martz took out a sheet of paper and drew a formation he expected to become a staple of his 2007 game plan: Roy Williams (the No. 7 pick in 2004) wide left, free-agent pickup and former Ram Shaun McDonald in the left slot, Mike Furrey (who combined with Williams for 180 catches and 2,396 yards last year) in the right slot and Johnson set wide right. "In this formation," Martz said, "you're going to get either Roy or Calvin deep, with no safety help. How do you defend that? Maybe Shaun on a shallow curl and Furrey down the field on a post taking the safeties with them." Marinelli said scatback Tatum Bell, acquired from Denver, should flourish in formations like this one, with the defense

 
I hope T.Bell, Duckett, or K.Jones is a good pass protecting RB, or Kitna won't make it through the season if they are going to run 4 WRs on every down. :thumbup:

 
It's going to take Calvin a year or 2 to learn the NFL game - that's the case with every NFL rookie WR (save a couple). Roy will be the #1 in 2k7 and Calvin will be the #2

 
Buckna said:
Wow, 4 wide as their staple offensive formation? When is Martz going to bust out the Oopty Oop?
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Very nice. Dropping well-placed movie references is an often under-appreciated talent.
 
Buckna said:
Wow, 4 wide as their staple offensive formation? When is Martz going to bust out the Oopty Oop?
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I believe that Martz would really like to like up 10 wide as the standard package.
 
I think Kitna will be a great shark move this year, BUT

cscmtp said:
I hope T.Bell, Duckett, or K.Jones is a good pass protecting RB, or Kitna won't make it through the season if they are going to run 4 WRs on every down. :shrug:
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I think we have to consider this. Ask Warner and Bulger about the pounding they took in the Martz offense.
 
I know we don't know how Johnson is gonna turn out, but would it be safe to say that Johnson and Williams are in the top 3 for best WR duos? Possibly even #2? (with Fitz and Boldin #1)

 
Mr. Peterson said:
I know we don't know how Johnson is gonna turn out, but would it be safe to say that Johnson and Williams are in the top 3 for best WR duos? Possibly even #2? (with Fitz and Boldin #1)
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As you say, we don't know how Johnson will turn out. Many probably said the same thing when Roy, BMW and Rogers were initally together.I'd be shocked if Calvin turns out like BMW or Rogers, but there's still a ways to go before we can mention them in the same breath as Fitz/Boldin, Harrison/Wayne, or Chad/Housh.
 
Just for the sake of argument let's assume that CJ is as good (or close to as good) as many people think he will be. As a defensive coordinator how do respond?

 
cscmtp said:
I hope T.Bell, Duckett, or K.Jones is a good pass protecting RB, or Kitna won't make it through the season if they are going to run 4 WRs on every down. :bowtie:
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Duckett is most certainly NOT a good pass blocking RB. That a key reason he's no longer a Falcon. Bell didn't seem to be either, but I'm not as certain on that.

KJ? Maybe if he's healthy.

None of these are good pass blockers, KJ's probably the best of the bunch, and the best receiver.

 
-OZ- said:
cscmtp said:
I hope T.Bell, Duckett, or K.Jones is a good pass protecting RB, or Kitna won't make it through the season if they are going to run 4 WRs on every down. ;)
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Duckett is most certainly NOT a good pass blocking RB. That a key reason he's no longer a Falcon. Bell didn't seem to be either, but I'm not as certain on that.

KJ? Maybe if he's healthy.

None of these are good pass blockers, KJ's probably the best of the bunch, and the best receiver.
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Shawn Bryson's a very good pass blocker. :unsure:
 
Bevo said:
Just for the sake of argument let's assume that CJ is as good (or close to as good) as many people think he will be. As a defensive coordinator how do respond?
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You send 7 defenders on the pass rush. With Detroit's o-line, that means Kitna will have 0.956 seconds to release the ball, before he lands on his butt.
 
Ozymandias said:
Bevo said:
Just for the sake of argument let's assume that CJ is as good (or close to as good) as many people think he will be. As a defensive coordinator how do respond?
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You send 7 defenders on the pass rush. With Detroit's o-line, that means Kitna will have 0.956 seconds to release the ball, before he lands on his butt.
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:thumbdown: Ask Patrick Ramsey how well the Fun 'N Gun worked in the NFL! :hifive: I don't think he ever recovered from that physical and mental beating. I think the overall defensive speed makes it tougher these days to run an offense like that
 
Both of these receivers are elite players and has long as Johnson doesn't do a Charles Rogers (which isn't likely due to his drive, work ethic and commitment to be great), I feel this will help both players fantasy production going forward.

Right now, Roy Williams is clearly the man in Detroit. I feel one of the reasons Mike Furrey had so productive a season a year ago is defenses sliding over to contain Williams.

Add Johnson to this mix will mean it is near impossible to effectively cover both players throughout a game. Add in a system that likes to get the ball to the wide outs and I see big things for both going forward.

There are tons of examples over the past couple of decades where two receivers can shine and considering both these guys are young and talented, it should happen consistently over the next decade...

Here are some duos that were top-ten on the same team (just off the top of my head)

Harrison/Wayne

Holt/Bruce

C.Carter/Moss

Moore/Perriman

Rice/Brown

Clayton/Duper

The only question I have is whether the Lions will be able to afford both five years down the road. Until then though the Lions have one of the best duos to ever line up together in the NFL.

 
I think if Martz sticks around you could compare Williams-Johnson-Furrey to Bruce-Holt-Hakim back in the greatest show days. However..

That team had Orlando Pace... Marshall Faulk... Kurt Warner before he was knocked senseless. Who do the Lions have?

Exactly.

And Martz will be gone after this year.

All that said, to answer the OP.. Williams will enjoy similar or better numbers. Furrey goes in the tank (no more than 40 receptions, 3-4 TD).

 
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