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What's been going on since the Wk 9 bye? I know Stafford's been struggling lately, but it's almost as if he forgets about CJ for extended periods of time. I zero in on CJ and he's open even against double coverage way more often than people think. How hard is it to just throw the ball up and let the guy go get it?

 
Lots of underneath routes being targeted, & they sometimes go way out of their way to get others involved (recall that Burleson did practically nothing the first 6 weeks of the season). I think they became worried about being too Calvin-centric...

 
I'd rather be Calvin-centric than LOSS-centric.

This team of losers has now lost 4 out of their past 6 games; 3 of those losses have been at home.

 
What's been going on since the Wk 9 bye? I know Stafford's been struggling lately, but it's almost as if he forgets about CJ for extended periods of time. I zero in on CJ and he's open even against double coverage way more often than people think. How hard is it to just throw the ball up and let the guy go get it?
Stafford threw 5 TDs last week. How is that struggling?
 
What's been going on since the Wk 9 bye? I know Stafford's been struggling lately, but it's almost as if he forgets about CJ for extended periods of time. I zero in on CJ and he's open even against double coverage way more often than people think. How hard is it to just throw the ball up and let the guy go get it?
Stafford threw 5 TDs last week. How is that struggling?
It was against the Panthers. He's had three bad outings in crucial games recently, Falcon, Bears and now Packers. He's thrown 9 interceptions in his last 3 games after throwing 4 through his first 8 games. I'd say he's struggling.
 
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I have to wonder if deep throws are difficult for Stafford right now. Calvin was bracketed under/inside to over/outside all game long. Post-corner route would have worked awesome if Stafford could have thrown it. Double coverage so often also led to Calvin being ignored, as he was open on a shallow in-route on Stafford's 1st INT that would have netted a 1st down. Oh well, late, worthless TD saved our fantasy day. :coffee:

 
Stafford kept checking down the entire game, and I have to believe that it is he is gun shy from all the INTs of late. It could have to do with his finger and throwing down the field, but I would like to go back and see how many of his attempts were over 10 yards. My guess is that you could count it on one hand.

He needs to get his head out and grow a sack. Throw the ball up to Calvin and he will make plays...he has proven it time after time.

 
Stafford kept checking down the entire game, and I have to believe that it is he is gun shy from all the INTs of late. It could have to do with his finger and throwing down the field, but I would like to go back and see how many of his attempts were over 10 yards. My guess is that you could count it on one hand.He needs to get his head out and grow a sack. Throw the ball up to Calvin and he will make plays...he has proven it time after time.
I thought it was one of the worst games of the year for Stafford. He would just absolutely lock on his primary target and then deliver it in there. That's what led to the defenders jumping the routes for the INTs. And he is either incapable of throwing it down the field or has no desire to, because every pass was a dump off short, even when there was no pressure to speak of. Very, very poor outing for Stafford.
 
The interceptions were on HORRID reads, one of them even throwing to Pettigrew in 3x coverage when Calvin was wide open over the middle. It was almost as if he didn't even make a read and just knew who was getting the ball at the snap and going there regardless of the development of the play. He does look a lil gunshy.

 
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'Lascelle said:
I'd rather be Calvin-centric than LOSS-centric.This team of losers has now lost 4 out of their past 6 games; 3 of those losses have been at home.
Two of those loses were to the two best teams in the NFL. The other two were to teams which are in most people's top 10, Bears and Falcons. The Lions still need to work on cutting down mistakes and playing a full game if they want to compete with the big boys. Getting the ball to Calvin more is also an obvious area they need to improve on.
 
Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
:goodposting: Incidentally, Stafford did do exactly what the OP was suggesting - threw up in the endzone. Calvin was double covered and the defense knocked it away. In the game against the Bears, Stafford made some fantastic throws to Calvin in coverage, with Tillman just missing several by inches. IMHO, it's more of teams knowing to put the best CB on Calvin, double over the top with a safety and make Stafford either make a perfect throw - or make someone else beat you.
 
Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
:goodposting: Incidentally, Stafford did do exactly what the OP was suggesting - threw up in the endzone. Calvin was double covered and the defense knocked it away. In the game against the Bears, Stafford made some fantastic throws to Calvin in coverage, with Tillman just missing several by inches. IMHO, it's more of teams knowing to put the best CB on Calvin, double over the top with a safety and make Stafford either make a perfect throw - or make someone else beat you.
Stafford is better off underthrowing and letting Calvin adjust. Yesterday he threw the ball in the end zone but he threw it deep and Calvin could not get to it with the defenders there. Under throw the ball and let Calvin do the rest. In Calvin we trust! :thumbup:
 
Incidentally, Stafford did do exactly what the OP was suggesting - threw up in the endzone. Calvin was double covered and the defense knocked it away.In the game against the Bears, Stafford made some fantastic throws to Calvin in coverage, with Tillman just missing several by inches.IMHO, it's more of teams knowing to put the best CB on Calvin, double over the top with a safety and make Stafford either make a perfect throw - or make someone else beat you.
He tried it once the entire game, but the point remains that Stafford is just content checking down away from Calvin which is exactly what the defense wants. What happened to the Stafford that threw the ball up to Calvin with 3 Cowboys surrounding him?A few INT's and he is scared to throw the ball into traffic.
 
Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
:goodposting: Incidentally, Stafford did do exactly what the OP was suggesting - threw up in the endzone. Calvin was double covered and the defense knocked it away. In the game against the Bears, Stafford made some fantastic throws to Calvin in coverage, with Tillman just missing several by inches. IMHO, it's more of teams knowing to put the best CB on Calvin, double over the top with a safety and make Stafford either make a perfect throw - or make someone else beat you.
Stafford is better off underthrowing and letting Calvin adjust. Yesterday he threw the ball in the end zone but he threw it deep and Calvin could not get to it with the defenders there. Under throw the ball and let Calvin do the rest. In Calvin we trust! :thumbup:
It reminded me of the Jeff Blake style punt pass of which I totally approve of. Blake made a killing out of that style of pass. You rely on your playmaker to make the play. It works yet it never caught on. Who can catch a football? The WR. Who can't? The DB. That's why he plays defense. Throw it Stafford.
 
He's had 35 targets in 3 games since the bye, that's just under 12/game. He has caught 16 of those balls for a 45.7% clip

He had 74 targets in 9 games prior to the bye, which is just over 9/game. He caught 47 of those balls for a 63.5% clip.

I think it's safe to say Stafford is still looking his way.

 
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What's been going on since the Wk 9 bye? I know Stafford's been struggling lately, but it's almost as if he forgets about CJ for extended periods of time. I zero in on CJ and he's open even against double coverage way more often than people think. How hard is it to just throw the ball up and let the guy go get it?
it's not a video game. these guys can't catch 9 balls, go over 100 yards and catch a td every week. Yes, even Calvin. please stop complaining about the #1 wr in the league.
 
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Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
Do you really think it took four multi-touchdown games followed up by four 100 yard games for NFL teams to come up with that strategy? Teams have been trying to shutdown CJ for years and have continually failed. The problem is Stafford. He's been wildly inaccurate and has been hesitant to throw the deep ball for one reason or another (pain? lack of confidence?). The Lions made a mistake when they decided to let him play with that finger. They should have shut him down and let Hill start until his finger healed. Shaun Hill > Matthew Stafford with broken finger
 
Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
Do you really think it took four multi-touchdown games followed up by four 100 yard games for NFL teams to come up with that strategy? Teams have been trying to shutdown CJ for years and have continually failed. The problem is Stafford. He's been wildly inaccurate and has been hesitant to throw the deep ball for one reason or another (pain? lack of confidence?). The Lions made a mistake when they decided to let him play with that finger. They should have shut him down and let Hill start until his finger healed. Shaun Hill > Matthew Stafford with broken finger
I was thinking the same thing... he missed some wide open targets yesterday. Don't know if it's the finger, the glove, both... but he was shaky at best.
 
Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
Do you really think it took four multi-touchdown games followed up by four 100 yard games for NFL teams to come up with that strategy? Teams have been trying to shutdown CJ for years and have continually failed. The problem is Stafford. He's been wildly inaccurate and has been hesitant to throw the deep ball for one reason or another (pain? lack of confidence?). The Lions made a mistake when they decided to let him play with that finger. They should have shut him down and let Hill start until his finger healed. Shaun Hill > Matthew Stafford with broken finger
:goodposting: X2 Stafford has been inaccurate. We saw this whenFavre hurt his thumb on his throwing hand about 5 years ago. A haelthy running game with Kevin Smith will also help
 
Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
Do you really think it took four multi-touchdown games followed up by four 100 yard games for NFL teams to come up with that strategy? Teams have been trying to shutdown CJ for years and have continually failed. The problem is Stafford. He's been wildly inaccurate and has been hesitant to throw the deep ball for one reason or another (pain? lack of confidence?). The Lions made a mistake when they decided to let him play with that finger. They should have shut him down and let Hill start until his finger healed. Shaun Hill > Matthew Stafford with broken finger
Actually, the opposite is the truth. I've been a Calvin owner his entire career and the problem is not Stafford...He is actually the best QB Calvin has ever had throwing to him for a period of time. The problem is people have short memories and all of a sudden think/buy into that what we saw from Calvin in the first month of this season is the norm (or is potential being reached). The reality is that, for his entire career, Calvin has exploded form time to time and had some monster games and, yes, left us thinking "wow, this guy is a beast waiting to dominate!" But the REAL reality is that he has always had long stretches of stats that are like 3/67/0 or 4/54/1Td, or 4/61/0. He has never been the guy that consistently catches 6,7, or 8 catches week in and week out with a TD or 2...consistently...in spurts, yes, but never a weekly trend. He is simply a victim of our lofty expectations.Go back and look at his stats. I know it doesn't "seem" right, but its true. Each and every year of his career, he has always went a month or so at a time without a Td. Or with just a couple of catches for several games in a row. Or maybe he got a TD, but he only had 40-50 yards. Of course, he's still got solid stats in PPR and the total points add up over the year, but he's never been a huge, week in and week out number guy. He's usually much more like 10-12, then some days he has a huge 25+ day.. But he has always had his share of "meh" games.

A quick glance: In my PPR leagues, he has 7 games of 12 or less in 2010 and 7 in 2009. So basically, half the time he is solid, but not great in the past.

Long story short, I don't see anything wrong with Calvinand definitely nothing wrong with Stafford. I just think he is gravitating towards the average of what he has always been.

 
Detroit is down to one good offensive weapon. Shut down Calvin, shut down the team. Not real hard to figure out
Do you really think it took four multi-touchdown games followed up by four 100 yard games for NFL teams to come up with that strategy? Teams have been trying to shutdown CJ for years and have continually failed. The problem is Stafford. He's been wildly inaccurate and has been hesitant to throw the deep ball for one reason or another (pain? lack of confidence?). The Lions made a mistake when they decided to let him play with that finger. They should have shut him down and let Hill start until his finger healed. Shaun Hill > Matthew Stafford with broken finger
Actually, the opposite is the truth. I've been a Calvin owner his entire career and the problem is not Stafford...He is actually the best QB Calvin has ever had throwing to him for a period of time. The problem is people have short memories and all of a sudden think/buy into that what we saw from Calvin in the first month of this season is the norm (or is potential being reached). The reality is that, for his entire career, Calvin has exploded form time to time and had some monster games and, yes, left us thinking "wow, this guy is a beast waiting to dominate!" But the REAL reality is that he has always had long stretches of stats that are like 3/67/0 or 4/54/1Td, or 4/61/0. He has never been the guy that consistently catches 6,7, or 8 catches week in and week out with a TD or 2...consistently...in spurts, yes, but never a weekly trend. He is simply a victim of our lofty expectations.Go back and look at his stats. I know it doesn't "seem" right, but its true. Each and every year of his career, he has always went a month or so at a time without a Td. Or with just a couple of catches for several games in a row. Or maybe he got a TD, but he only had 40-50 yards. Of course, he's still got solid stats in PPR and the total points add up over the year, but he's never been a huge, week in and week out number guy. He's usually much more like 10-12, then some days he has a huge 25+ day.. But he has always had his share of "meh" games.

A quick glance: In my PPR leagues, he has 7 games of 12 or less in 2010 and 7 in 2009. So basically, half the time he is solid, but not great in the past.

Long story short, I don't see anything wrong with Calvinand definitely nothing wrong with Stafford. I just think he is gravitating towards the average of what he has always been.
Obviously Stafford the best QB CJ has ever had and obviously you didn't read my post.
 

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