Cam Bailing on that Fumble... (1 Viewer)

[stbugs]

There are a few in my mind.Soulfly, you a fumble expert?

Ever try to recover a fumble?

Were you successful at doing so?

If you are gonna jump on a ball, you gotta know where its gonna land......they take bounces that are odd, and when 22 guys are going after it, you have no idea where its gonna end up. There were a few players with better angles on it, so in this case, he most likely thought either....

A. They get it

B. Maybe it pops out since multiple guys are going after it.

Exactly. I don't know 100% what he was thinking, but calling him a coward when he "bailed" and ends up going to the ground exactly where the ball ends up after Kalil knocks it free from Ware seems like a stupid mob statement. Bailing <> going to the ground right where you'd expect the ball to pop out as Kalil comes over Ware. How about the Denver DL who starts to go down in my link, but decides to not do it and stands back up (one could say he backs up)? I wouldn't even think of saying he bailed versus also made a decision that he couldn't get it just diving so he is planning to better position himself to get it if it pops out again. He does the exact same "back up" Newton does, but Newton then goes for the ball.

Most will just continue to post that he's a coward, etc., but for those who actually enjoy making your own opinions, here is the link again: LINK

Again, lots of trolls in here just trying to get a rise out of people. Hence the typical Internet forum tough guy sitting in his mom's basement dissecting women he wouldn't ever approach and calling NFL players cowards.

 

[habsfan]

Cam has joined the sports gif hall of fame, up there with the soccer player who crumples to the ground despite not actually being touched. I don't buy into all these deep interpretations or attempts to define his career with it but as a sports moment, it is what it is.

Like any kid in the schoolyard can tell you, the amount people will enjoy your failures is directly proportional to how much you showboat during your successes. Cam knows this. Everyone knows this.

I personally suspect people like Manning are the residue of "your father's NFL" in this regard. Lot's of people like and respect these "stoic in victory, stoic in defeat" type guys but they are a dying breed from what I can see. By the time Cam has 18 years under his belt (if they're still playing pro football in 18 years), there will be way more Cams than Mannings in this regard.

 

[stbugs]

Great thread. Dude bailed. Some are making him out to be a super computer by making a thousand decisions and calculations in a tenth of a second. He pulled a Ricky Watters "for who, for what" moment in the biggest game of his life.

I assume that is directed at me. Did you watch the clip I posted? Pretty sure it was one basic decision and yes, I expect a professional athlete to make a split second decision. How do you explain athletes being able to hit a 100 mph fastball or catch a ball from a hard throwing QB coming out of a break or returning a serve in tennis that is hit well over a 100 mph? Just because you can't, don't act like an NFL player whose practiced hours a day a thousand times can't make a quick decision. Anyway, I knew no one would actually look.

You should go with the argument that Cam was a beaten down man by that point in the game and just couldn't take it anymore. That will fly further than saying he was going for the ball by not going for it.

It's like talking to 2 year olds with hand over their ears. Oh well, I actually formed my own opinion by watching the play and what happened and what other players did around him. Have fun today.

 

[TenTimes]

Great thread. Dude bailed. Some are making him out to be a super computer by making a thousand decisions and calculations in a tenth of a second. He pulled a Ricky Watters "for who, for what" moment in the biggest game of his life.

I assume that is directed at me. Did you watch the clip I posted? Pretty sure it was one basic decision and yes, I expect a professional athlete to make a split second decision. How do you explain athletes being able to hit a 100 mph fastball or catch a ball from a hard throwing QB coming out of a break or returning a serve in tennis that is hit well over a 100 mph? Just because you can't, don't act like an NFL player whose practiced hours a day a thousand times can't make a quick decision. Anyway, I knew no one would actually look.

You should go with the argument that Cam was a beaten down man by that point in the game and just couldn't take it anymore. That will fly further than saying he was going for the ball by not going for it.

It's like talking to 2 year olds with hand over their ears. Oh well, I actually formed my own opinion by watching the play and what happened and what other players did around him. Have fun today.

It's you vs. the world on this one. But keep fighting the good fight

 

[Billy Bats]

Great thread. Dude bailed. Some are making him out to be a super computer by making a thousand decisions and calculations in a tenth of a second. He pulled a Ricky Watters "for who, for what" moment in the biggest game of his life.

I assume that is directed at me. Did you watch the clip I posted? Pretty sure it was one basic decision and yes, I expect a professional athlete to make a split second decision. How do you explain athletes being able to hit a 100 mph fastball or catch a ball from a hard throwing QB coming out of a break or returning a serve in tennis that is hit well over a 100 mph? Just because you can't, don't act like an NFL player whose practiced hours a day a thousand times can't make a quick decision. Anyway, I knew no one would actually look.

Really terrible comparisons. How many fastballs has Mike Trout seen in his life? How many serves has Venus Williams returned in her life? How many passes has Julio Jobes caught? It's what they trained to do all day every day throughout their life. Does Cam practice fumble recoveries all day every day at practice like Mike Trout does hitting fastballs? All he did was try to scoop and run. He starts bending down to pick it up with his hands, Denver player knocks the ball out of his path and he bails. There was no calculating bounces or letting his lineman jump on it. He wanted to scoop it up and when he realized he couldn't he was out. Let's not make this any harder than it really is.

ETA: in fact he did the opposite of what he's taught to do, see you fumble jump on it. At least that's what I was taught. Like we have seen thousands of times you try to pick up a fumble on the run and a lot of times it doesn't work. See the ball fall on the ball

 

[JuniorNB]

There wasn't an analysis process. There was no time. It's all reactionary. He saw the loose ball, saw all the big guys diving for it, and his reaction was to step back and not dive. I don't think he 'decided' it wasn't worth it. Or 'decided' he may get hurt. It's too bang bang. Some guys have the instinct to sell out and give their everything. Cam's reaction was to not get involved and hope the ball popped out so he could fall on it. He's not going to explain it, because it wasn't a conscious decision. If it happened again tomorrow, his natural instincts would be the same.

 

[Billy Bats]

There wasn't an analysis process. There was no time. It's all reactionary. He saw the loose ball, saw all the big guys diving for it, and his reaction was to step back and not dive. I don't think he 'decided' it wasn't worth it. Or 'decided' he may get hurt. It's too bang bang. Some guys have the instinct to sell out and give their everything. Cam's reaction was to not get involved and hope the ball popped out so he could fall on it. He's not going to explain it, because it wasn't a conscious decision. If it happened again tomorrow, his natural instincts would be the same.

Right. He acted on his first instinct. Pick it up and try and make a play. And that's not terrible for a QB, especially one that has that ability. Big Ben probably dives in head first. Different players, different instincts.

 

[Neofight]

Great thread. Dude bailed. Some are making him out to be a super computer by making a thousand decisions and calculations in a tenth of a second. He pulled a Ricky Watters "for who, for what" moment in the biggest game of his life.

I assume that is directed at me. Did you watch the clip I posted? Pretty sure it was one basic decision and yes, I expect a professional athlete to make a split second decision. How do you explain athletes being able to hit a 100 mph fastball or catch a ball from a hard throwing QB coming out of a break or returning a serve in tennis that is hit well over a 100 mph? Just because you can't, don't act like an NFL player whose practiced hours a day a thousand times can't make a quick decision. Anyway, I knew no one would actually look.

I don't think that the problem is in the watching of the clip.

 

[Soulfly3]

Soulfly, you a fumble expert?

Yes.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Everyone here that has ever played football in their life, what is your first instinct when you see a fumble in front of you? I know that I would be going all in for it but I was a defensive player so my mindset is different. I just struggle trying to put myself in Cam's shoes there and not diving for the ball. I've never played QB though.

 

[Bruno2]

Quarterbacks have lost the Super Bowl 50 times. 49 others knew how to act with some class and dignity. Giving Cam a pass because he lost the big game is a joke. Bottom line is, he was embarrassed. He acted like a fool all season. And did more and more boastful clowning as the season went on and his confidence grew. Getting punched in the nose in front of the entire world was very humbling and he wanted to just hide. League rules said he had to do a presser and he couldn't deal. I hope he comes back next season knowing he ain't all that and that the world doesn't revolve around him.

Yeah giving footballs to kids and celebrating big plays is acting like a fool. Cam's one of the most charitable guys in the NFL. Did he act like a baby last night? Absolutely he did. He definitely has some growing up to do and maybe he'll learn from that. But the guy had an incredible season this year and I completely disagree that he acted like a fool all season. God forbid a guy have some fun playing a kids game. I do agree that if you play like Cam, then you need to handle the tough moments a hell of a lot better than he did last night.

Easy to look good when you win. A true sportsman knows how to do it when he loses as well.

This is all that needs to be said. Plain and simple. Cam isn't a bad guy, he's a kid that has a lot of growing up to do.

 

[Jayrok]

Everyone here that has ever played football in their life, what is your first instinct when you see a fumble in front of you? I know that I would be going all in for it but I was a defensive player so my mindset is different. I just struggle trying to put myself in Cam's shoes there and not diving for the ball. I've never played QB though.

I played both sides and I can say my first instinct is to go for the ball. However, I can see a QB/WR/RB hesitate there IF he thinks he can make a play by picking it up and running with it. Lord knows people scrambling after a ball often results in the ball squirting out (especially with D-linemen and O-linemen going after it). Maybe Cam wanted it to pop out so he could scoop and run with it. It was 3rd down and you are in a desperate situation, trying to make something happen. If it is 1st or 2nd down, maybe Cam dives on it. We don't know.

It could be the same when a hail mary is in the air in the end zone. I always wonder why the WR (or one of the offensive guys) doesn't just look for the richochet from all the doofuses jumping up to catch the ball. Many times the ball falls safely on the turf after everyone fights for it in the air. Cam had a rough game, that's for sure. But maybe he can get the benefit of the doubt until he comes out and explains what he was thinking on the play.

 

[Neofight]

Everyone here that has ever played football in their life, what is your first instinct when you see a fumble in front of you? I know that I would be going all in for it but I was a defensive player so my mindset is different. I just struggle trying to put myself in Cam's shoes there and not diving for the ball. I've never played QB though.

Figure out which direction it's going to go after getting batted by the opposition and sidestep my way there while hoping the other guy doesn't get it. #keepdabbing

 

[Billy Bats]

Everyone here that has ever played football in their life, what is your first instinct when you see a fumble in front of you? I know that I would be going all in for it but I was a defensive player so my mindset is different. I just struggle trying to put myself in Cam's shoes there and not diving for the ball. I've never played QB though.

Figure out which direction it's going to go after getting batted by the opposition and sidestep my way there while hoping the other guy doesn't get it. #keepdabbing

Don't forget to factor in wind speed and type of turf.

 

[Hawkeye21]

All these theories remind me of a classic Seinfeld episode, https://youtu.be/WEzBeP6pRoY

 

[Neofight]

Everyone here that has ever played football in their life, what is your first instinct when you see a fumble in front of you? I know that I would be going all in for it but I was a defensive player so my mindset is different. I just struggle trying to put myself in Cam's shoes there and not diving for the ball. I've never played QB though.

Figure out which direction it's going to go after getting batted by the opposition and sidestep my way there while hoping the other guy doesn't get it. #keepdabbing

Don't forget to factor in wind speed and type of turf.

The turf can't be emphasized enough. The only field that was worse than Levi stadium during these playoffs was BoA. Clearly Cam thought he was going to get a bit more bounce.

 

[Jayrok]

His shoulder was hurting. He got exposed for not being a good pocket passer. Cam should have had 6 more runs and maybe the game would have been better. I don't think he will live down not chasing the fumble.. that looks like a wuss move and I think his teammates probably think a little lesser of him privately

Brady had a rough game in the pocket against Denver. Did that expose him for not being a good pocket passer? Cam has been very good in the pocket this year, which is something he has been working on. Previous years he left the pocket too soon and they worked to get him to be a better pocket passer. One, to preserve his health by not running so much and, two, because things will develop in front of you when you remain in the pocket.

With that said, I agree that in this particular game against a ferocious pass rush, I wanted Cam to get out of the pocket and use his legs more. But he has been used to staying in the pocket this season, which has been very successful for him and the Panthers in an MVP type year.

 

[renesauz]

No longer a Cam fan.

Dive for the ball, it's the championship game.

That plus his post game presser makes him the ultimate loser.

He's a front runner.

If you're gonna dance and dab when you're ahead, take the loss like a man, and show some sportsmanship.

A 100X this. I've never been a big fan of the constant gestures and poses, but he always looked like he was having fun, and MANY people have argued it's innocence.

But while he was getting beaten on the field, he looked like a surly little brat. I was willing to give him the BOD before, but seriously re-thinking that now.

FWIW...not immediately jumping into the scrum isn't what bothers me. I could put that off to an immediate "ah S" reaction and the repeated trauma of getting his butt kicked. He did make an effort later on the play. It's te pressor and his general demeanor most of the game that bothered me much much more.

 

[Worm]

Greg Olsen: Narrative that Cam doesn't care "is comical."

I'm sure Greg is just saying what people thinks he should say though, and the players really don't respect Cam.

 

[Billy Bats]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

 

[JuniorNB]

Greg Olsen: Narrative that Cam doesn't care "is comical."

I'm sure Greg is just saying what people thinks he should say though, and the players really don't respect Cam.

Olsen doesn't even respect Cam's lucky hot tub. I don't think there's any love lost there.

 

[Jayrok]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

Well, in retrospect and knowing the outcome of the game, I'm glad he didn't compound the defeat by having to have off season surgery. He bailed.. fine. On to the draft!

 

[Neofight]

He would have had to contort his leg? So much for playing the angles, I guess.

How does his locker room respond to this? Rivera is already covering up for Cam*, which is to be expected in the press. But the locker room... man, that's going to be a tough scene.

* http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/09/ron-rivera-defends-cam-newton-on-fumble-press-conference/

 

[Toomuchnv]

He would have had to contort his leg? So much for playing the angles, I guess.

How does his locker room respond to this? Rivera is already covering up for Cam*, which is to be expected in the press. But the locker room... man, that's going to be a tough scene.

* http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/09/ron-rivera-defends-cam-newton-on-fumble-press-conference/

Thomas Davis is out there playing with staples in his arm because it is the biggest game of his career and his QB doesn't dive for a fumble to give them a chance to stay in the game. They won't say it publicly but there are definitely some Carolina players that lost some respect for Cam.

 

[Hawkeye21]

He would have had to contort his leg? So much for playing the angles, I guess.

How does his locker room respond to this? Rivera is already covering up for Cam*, which is to be expected in the press. But the locker room... man, that's going to be a tough scene.

* http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/09/ron-rivera-defends-cam-newton-on-fumble-press-conference/

Thomas Davis is out there playing with staples in his arm because it is the biggest game of his career and his QB doesn't dive for a fumble to give them a chance to stay in the game. They won't say it publicly but there are definitely some Carolina players that lost some respect for Cam.

Don't forget that Allen played with a barely healed broken foot too.

 

[JuniorNB]

He would have had to contort his leg? So much for playing the angles, I guess.

How does his locker room respond to this? Rivera is already covering up for Cam*, which is to be expected in the press. But the locker room... man, that's going to be a tough scene.

* http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/09/ron-rivera-defends-cam-newton-on-fumble-press-conference/

Especially since it was Newton who fumbled in the first place. And his first one cost them six points.

 

[Billy Bats]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

Well, in retrospect and knowing the outcome of the game, I'm glad he didn't compound the defeat by having to have off season surgery. He bailed.. fine. On to the draft!

I know right? Stay competitive in the Super Bowl or have 6 months to rehab? Easy decision.

Jesus if a QB said that in Philly, in the Super Bowl, he could be run out of town before training camp.

 

[Neofight]

He would have had to contort his leg? So much for playing the angles, I guess.

How does his locker room respond to this? Rivera is already covering up for Cam*, which is to be expected in the press. But the locker room... man, that's going to be a tough scene.

* http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/09/ron-rivera-defends-cam-newton-on-fumble-press-conference/

Thomas Davis is out there playing with staples in his arm because it is the biggest game of his career and his QB doesn't dive for a fumble to give them a chance to stay in the game. They won't say it publicly but there are definitely some Carolina players that lost some respect for Cam.

Don't forget that Allen played with a barely healed broken foot too.

There's no way Allen was going to miss that game after waiting an entire career for the opportunity. Davis as well. Truth is, I thought both were a bit of a liability being out there injured (particularly Davis), but their character, their heart, is unquestioned.

 

[stbugs]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

 

[Neofight]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

 

[stbugs]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

Again, not to defend him, but I don't think he had a legit chance at the ball if he just goes down. Kalil goes right through him or with no Kalil, Ware has it. Not much I can say, but geez Cam, just get the ball. How he didn't grab it, I have no idea. If he recovers it, then it isn't even an issue. Oh well, done with the SB, sucked balls as a Panther fan.

 

[Warrior]

I hope he never makes another post-season, then looks back in 10 years upon retiring and realizes how important that play was.

He'll probably never get another opportunity like this again and he bailed out like a clown.

 

[Neofight]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

Again, not to defend him, but I don't think he had a legit chance at the ball if he just goes down. Kalil goes right through him or with no Kalil, Ware has it. Not much I can say, but geez Cam, just get the ball. How he didn't grab it, I have no idea. If he recovers it, then it isn't even an issue. Oh well, done with the SB, sucked balls as a Panther fan.

You'll never have a legit chance if you don't make the effort. The fact remains that he was right above the ball looking down at it. Until he wasn't. He put the "l" in fight, by his own admission.

 

[Jayrok]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

Well, in retrospect and knowing the outcome of the game, I'm glad he didn't compound the defeat by having to have off season surgery. He bailed.. fine. On to the draft!

I know right? Stay competitive in the Super Bowl or have 6 months to rehab? Easy decision.

Jesus if a QB said that in Philly, in the Super Bowl, he could be run out of town before training camp.

Yeah, maybe he'll be run out of town. Maybe Carolina can trade to get Jimmy Clausen back. That'll satisfy the mob.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

Again, not to defend him, but I don't think he had a legit chance at the ball if he just goes down. Kalil goes right through him or with no Kalil, Ware has it. Not much I can say, but geez Cam, just get the ball. How he didn't grab it, I have no idea. If he recovers it, then it isn't even an issue. Oh well, done with the SB, sucked balls as a Panther fan.

The sad thing is no one will ever know because he didn't try.

 

[TheFanatic]

All this, he was all bruised and bettered talk needs to stop. A guy bruised and battered doesn't throw himself to the ground after the holding call on the Carolina D.

 

[Neofight]

All this, he was all bruised and bettered talk needs to stop. A guy bruised and battered doesn't throw himself to the ground after the holding call on the Carolina D.

It's a fair point. Perhaps he just needs lessons on when it's appropriate to take a dive.

 

[Bri]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

Touching Cam's knee and hand?

 

[stbugs]

I hope he never makes another post-season, then looks back in 10 years upon retiring and realizes how important that play was.

Really? You think if he drops on the ball and most likely doesn't get it (Kalil was going to hit it before he did), that that would have made a difference? You reallize that even if they get it back, it was 4th down (would have been 4th and 18). They punt and maybe get the ball back. Guess what they did with their next two possessions? They gained -9 yards. The offense was in shambles at that point, they weren't winning the game.

That said, man you guys are bigger ##### (not all of you, Hawkeye) than I thought. You hope he never has anymore success in his life and retires miserable? Other people hate him and call him a coward. Man, bunch of sad, pathetic people. Me, I love the guy. He does so much for kids around Charlotte (and Atlanta), that I hope he continues to have success and does more community service.

Lighten up people, it's a game that all of us watch from a seated position. I hope you guys aren't as miserable as you sound. See ya next season and I hope y'all have a great off season.

 

[Bri]

He's talking since.

I'm going with the "I'm about to say something I'll regret" reasoning.

He's such a chatterbox, the other 364 days he's probably one of the best guys for reporters to have around.

 

[Billy Bats]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

Well, in retrospect and knowing the outcome of the game, I'm glad he didn't compound the defeat by having to have off season surgery. He bailed.. fine. On to the draft!

I know right? Stay competitive in the Super Bowl or have 6 months to rehab? Easy decision.Jesus if a QB said that in Philly, in the Super Bowl, he could be run out of town before training camp.

Yeah, maybe he'll be run out of town. Maybe Carolina can trade to get Jimmy Clausen back. That'll satisfy the mob.

Just saying, I'd like a little more fight from my QB in the super bowl. Say anything else instead of not wanting to get hurt, just proves to me that he doesnt give any ####s. Selfish, me first attitude he just cemented with those words. I wouldn't want want that on the teams I root for, especially out of my QB. He didn't lay it all on the line and he's ok with it.

 

[stbugs]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

Again, not to defend him, but I don't think he had a legit chance at the ball if he just goes down. Kalil goes right through him or with no Kalil, Ware has it. Not much I can say, but geez Cam, just get the ball. How he didn't grab it, I have no idea. If he recovers it, then it isn't even an issue. Oh well, done with the SB, sucked balls as a Panther fan.

The sad thing is no one will ever know because he didn't try.

Ugh, why do I keep posting. Last one on this damn topic. He did try. He only backed up in that initial spot where Ware had his arm around it and he obviously saw Kalil coming in. If Kalil isn't coming in, there is nothing to hurt him. After he backed up, he dove down and went for the ball. I was talking about that attempt, the one where the ball is touching his leg and hand. How did he not get it there? If he does, the backing up is a non-issue.

 

[Neofight]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

Again, not to defend him, but I don't think he had a legit chance at the ball if he just goes down. Kalil goes right through him or with no Kalil, Ware has it. Not much I can say, but geez Cam, just get the ball. How he didn't grab it, I have no idea. If he recovers it, then it isn't even an issue. Oh well, done with the SB, sucked balls as a Panther fan.

The sad thing is no one will ever know because he didn't try.

Ugh, why do I keep posting. Last one on this damn topic. He did try. He only backed up in that initial spot where Ware had his arm around it and he obviously saw Kalil coming in. If Kalil isn't coming in, there is nothing to hurt him. After he backed up, he dove down and went for the ball. I was talking about that attempt, the one where the ball is touching his leg and hand. How did he not get it there? If he does, the backing up is a non-issue.

Did Cam say he was worried about Kalil hitting him?

 

[Da Guru]

When Cam said "I did not jump on the fumble because I could have got my leg contorted" What?? Welcome the NFL where every player on every play can get their bodies contorted. Panthers had the ball down by 6 with 4 minutes left, a TD almost would have been a sure SuperBowl title given the fact that Denver had zero offense. Have to keep the ball in whatever way possible in that situation.

Newton had two days to prepare to answer that question and came up with that answer?

 

[Hawkeye21]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

Again, not to defend him, but I don't think he had a legit chance at the ball if he just goes down. Kalil goes right through him or with no Kalil, Ware has it. Not much I can say, but geez Cam, just get the ball. How he didn't grab it, I have no idea. If he recovers it, then it isn't even an issue. Oh well, done with the SB, sucked balls as a Panther fan.

The sad thing is no one will ever know because he didn't try.

Ugh, why do I keep posting. Last one on this damn topic. He did try. He only backed up in that initial spot where Ware had his arm around it and he obviously saw Kalil coming in. If Kalil isn't coming in, there is nothing to hurt him. After he backed up, he dove down and went for the ball. I was talking about that attempt, the one where the ball is touching his leg and hand. How did he not get it there? If he does, the backing up is a non-issue.

I don't think you understand the concept here. The discussion was about whether he would have gotten the ball if he did go for it. My point was we have no way of knowing since he didn't go for the ball at that exact time. We obviously know he went for the ball later and we saw the results. You're wasting your time arguing something else here.

 

[humpback]

Hey bugs, he bailed:http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

I guess he did. He still made a split second decision though, so I got that going for me. That said, as a Panther fan, I am OK with his decision. No chance he gets that ball going straight down. First, Ware just gets it if Kalil isn't there, but with Kalil there, he would wipe out Newton and no recovery. He still ended up in the right spot when he did go down. WTF he and Kalil didn't get it I have no idea. Would have been a lot less questions if he had gotten the ball when it was touching his knee and hand. Oh well, with the way we played all game, doesn't surprise me that we couldn't get a loose ball when our D wasn't out there. Outside of the D, the rest of the team was a disaster.

That's straight up fight or flight.

Again, not to defend him, but I don't think he had a legit chance at the ball if he just goes down. Kalil goes right through him or with no Kalil, Ware has it. Not much I can say, but geez Cam, just get the ball. How he didn't grab it, I have no idea. If he recovers it, then it isn't even an issue. Oh well, done with the SB, sucked balls as a Panther fan.

The sad thing is no one will ever know because he didn't try.

Ugh, why do I keep posting. Last one on this damn topic. He did try. He only backed up in that initial spot where Ware had his arm around it and he obviously saw Kalil coming in. If Kalil isn't coming in, there is nothing to hurt him. After he backed up, he dove down and went for the ball. I was talking about that attempt, the one where the ball is touching his leg and hand. How did he not get it there? If he does, the backing up is a non-issue.

I think most of us are asking the same question- you're obviously seeing things differently than they actually happened. Ware didn't have his arm around the ball, Kalil didn't knock the ball away from him, and Cam would have gotten to the ball before Kalil did so there's certainly a chance that he would have recovered it if he just went for it.

 

[Bri]

I hope he never makes another post-season, then looks back in 10 years upon retiring and realizes how important that play was.

He'll probably never get another opportunity like this again and he bailed out like a clown.

The Ware and Allen story lines seemed to instill the right mindset in the younger guys, how fortunate they were.

I have all these Qs about Cam in the future when he loses a step. Without that, I think he's exceptional and we can expect him to be back there a few times. 2 more? Whatever is reasonable, I don't want to put a number on it just the great ones do seem to return.

They need to make some moves. They have some age and some issues. Their roster doesn't seem like it's as good as their record. I give a lot of credit to him.

 

[Jayrok]

Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

Well, in retrospect and knowing the outcome of the game, I'm glad he didn't compound the defeat by having to have off season surgery. He bailed.. fine. On to the draft!

I know right? Stay competitive in the Super Bowl or have 6 months to rehab? Easy decision.Jesus if a QB said that in Philly, in the Super Bowl, he could be run out of town before training camp.

Yeah, maybe he'll be run out of town. Maybe Carolina can trade to get Jimmy Clausen back. That'll satisfy the mob.

Just saying, I'd like a little more fight from my QB in the super bowl. Say anything else instead of not wanting to get hurt, just proves to me that he doesnt give any ####s. Selfish, me first attitude he just cemented with those words. I wouldn't want want that on the teams I root for, especially out of my QB. He didn't lay it all on the line and he's ok with it.

I don't disagree. My first words when I saw the play were "what the hell is he doing? Get the ball!"

I get all the hate and why people are piling on the guy. Thing is, though, he is the QB on the team I root for and a big reason that team did so well this season. He made a poor decision and chose some poor words afterwards. I won't turn my back on him because I want my team to win and he gives us the best chance to do so right now. I don't think his teammates will desert him, either. But if there is dissension in the locker room, I hope they work it out before training camp.

 

[Da Guru]

Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:

Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:

Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:

Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:Hey bugs, he bailed:

http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/956051

Well, in retrospect and knowing the outcome of the game, I'm glad he didn't compound the defeat by having to have off season surgery. He bailed.. fine. On to the draft!

I know right? Stay competitive in the Super Bowl or have 6 months to rehab? Easy decision.Jesus if a QB said that in Philly, in the Super Bowl, he could be run out of town before training camp.

Yeah, maybe he'll be run out of town. Maybe Carolina can trade to get Jimmy Clausen back. That'll satisfy the mob.

Just saying, I'd like a little more fight from my QB in the super bowl. Say anything else instead of not wanting to get hurt, just proves to me that he doesnt give any ####s. Selfish, me first attitude he just cemented with those words. I wouldn't want want that on the teams I root for, especially out of my QB. He didn't lay it all on the line and he's ok with it.

I don't disagree. My first words when I saw the play were "what the hell is he doing? Get the ball!"

I get all the hate and why people are piling on the guy. Thing is, though, he is the QB on the team I root for and a big reason that team did so well this season. He made a poor decision and chose some poor words afterwards. I won't turn my back on him because I want my team to win and he gives us the best chance to do so right now. I don't think his teammates will desert him, either. But if there is dissension in the locker room, I hope they work it out before training camp.

When you look at the realistically Newton was not prepared for the big stage, or overwhelmed by the big stage. Even in the first quarter he was very frustrated and his body language was that of a person who thought he was going to lose. Even though the whole game was a one score game Newton never seemed into it....like he come hell or high water will lead his team to a win. Every possession in the game was so critical due to the low score. One drive..one drive is all the Panther needed so Newton needed to keep his head in the game and keep fighting. Just appeared he did not do that.

 

[Soulfly3]

He admitted to bailing on the fumble??????



Officially the biggest loser in the NFL. Anyone who believes his teammates are "behind him", never played organized sport