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I know you are extremely biased towards Cam and I'm fine with that but I believe the biggest loser title goes to Manziel so far.He admitted to bailing on the fumble??????
Officially the biggest loser in the NFL. Anyone who believes his teammates are "behind him", never played organized sport
Manziel is a tuna, but also has serious mental health issues and addiction problems.I know you are extremely biased towards Cam and I'm fine with that but I believe the biggest loser title goes to Manziel so far.He admitted to bailing on the fumble??????
Officially the biggest loser in the NFL. Anyone who believes his teammates are "behind him", never played organized sport
This is the thing that was so frustrating as a fan to me. All they needed was one score. The missed FG was huge, but even still, after all the mistakes that had already occurred... just one TD to go ahead and put it into Peyton's hands to see if he can win the game. Our defense was strong.When you look at the realistically Newton was not prepared for the big stage, or overwhelmed by the big stage. Even in the first quarter he was very frustrated and his body language was that of a person who thought he was going to lose. Even though the whole game was a one score game Newton never seemed into it....like he come hell or high water will lead his team to a win. Every possession in the game was so critical due to the low score. One drive..one drive is all the Panther needed so Newton needed to keep his head in the game and keep fighting. Just appeared he did not do that.Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:I don't disagree. My first words when I saw the play were "what the hell is he doing? Get the ball!"Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:Just saying, I'd like a little more fight from my QB in the super bowl. Say anything else instead of not wanting to get hurt, just proves to me that he doesnt give any ####s. Selfish, me first attitude he just cemented with those words. I wouldn't want want that on the teams I root for, especially out of my QB. He didn't lay it all on the line and he's ok with it.Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:17 PM, said:Yeah, maybe he'll be run out of town. Maybe Carolina can trade to get Jimmy Clausen back. That'll satisfy the mob.Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:Billy Bats, on 09 Feb 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:I know right? Stay competitive in the Super Bowl or have 6 months to rehab? Easy decision.Jesus if a QB said that in Philly, in the Super Bowl, he could be run out of town before training camp.Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:Jayrok, on 09 Feb 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:Well, in retrospect and knowing the outcome of the game, I'm glad he didn't compound the defeat by having to have off season surgery. He bailed.. fine. On to the draft!
I get all the hate and why people are piling on the guy. Thing is, though, he is the QB on the team I root for and a big reason that team did so well this season. He made a poor decision and chose some poor words afterwards. I won't turn my back on him because I want my team to win and he gives us the best chance to do so right now. I don't think his teammates will desert him, either. But if there is dissension in the locker room, I hope they work it out before training camp.
We don't know that Manziel has serious mental health issues, we just assume he does.Manziel is a tuna, but also has serious mental health issues and addiction problems.I know you are extremely biased towards Cam and I'm fine with that but I believe the biggest loser title goes to Manziel so far.He admitted to bailing on the fumble??????
Officially the biggest loser in the NFL. Anyone who believes his teammates are "behind him", never played organized sport
Cam just straight up lost his entire team with one quote. What a maroon.
If you;re assuming cuz Im a browns fan, that I like/support Manziel, you're very, very wrong.
I agree but Cam was still the MVP of the league. I dislike Cam but to say he's the biggest loser is very biased.
I didn't like Cam... I've admitted that.
And then turns around and calls anyone who handles losses with grace a loser... But I would argue the large majority of his team including his head coach handled the loss with dignity and grace, so he is by extension calling them losers? The guy just doubled down on the worst possible aspects of his personality, all the while admitting he #####ed out. Not a good look at all, going to take a long time for Cam to live this down.
This year's MVP voting crystallized that it is a meaningless award given to the QB on the best team. It's folly how predictable, and predictably short-sighted, things like MVP voting are.
This is actually why I'm shocked he pulled the angry little boy act after the game. The reason he has been marketable is his smile and happy go lucky demeanor. Giving a glimpse of that ugly side of him was not a good PR move. And Cam is very calculating in his PR moves.
Media driven BS. Plenty of first round talent at skill positions and a solid O-line. Granted, the line fell apart in the Super Bowl, but they protected well over the course of the season.
I agree. He let his true self show, it was a slip. Actually I think his true self is both the happy go lucky showman frontrunner and the petulant loser both. So long as he does not give additional glimpses into the negative side again very soon I think this blows over for him. I will remember it. I was brought up on Lombardi, Noll, George Allen, Bud Grant, and Ara Parseghian. I was brought up on John Wooden and thought Al McGuire was about as rebel as it gets. The thing is, the league no longer caters to my demographic. The world is moving on to new things. Among those things will be the embracing of the Cam Newton's of the world. This shift, this change, is not lamentable, it is the flow of history. There is no lamentation from or for those in that flow. lamentation is only possible from those of us who have left the stream and sit on the banks and watch the flow roll on bye.
I'm curious to see how this plays out for him in the locker room. There's gotta be more players than just Davis that would be miffed about the fumble. Allen, for one, strikes me as someone who would not hold back behind closed doors. He may be gone next season though, so it may not matter. I think it will come down to the leadership amongst the players to see how this shakes out. My built in assumption here is that Newton is not truly considered a leader in the locker room. I have yet to see a top QB thrive in the NFL over the long term by being a front running diva.
My goodness Soulfly you are acting worse in here than the people who were killing your Josh Gordon thread.He admitted to bailing on the fumble??????
Officially the biggest loser in the NFL. Anyone who believes his teammates are "behind him", never played organized sport
My feeling as well. I'm far from a Cam hater and thought the criticisms were unwarranted. But if you're gonna put the bullseye on yourself when things are going well, you better be ready for it when things go wrong. And now he just admitted to bailing on his team in the biggest moment of their biggest game? Ooof, that should make for a fun locker room come training camp.
No, they're probably all thrilled that he bailed out on a play that changed the entire course of the game.
I dont disagree with that. Cam was a monster this year.No. He's already shown himself to be far better than RG3.Was this his RG3 moment?
Not likely. But ironic.
i assumed he meant any other qb on the panthers roster.
Easy to back a guy playing at a MVP level, but how about if he starts out this year like 2014?
"If I offended anybody...... that's cool".
Giving TD balls to kids is very cool and all, but wow its amazing to me how much slack that act has earned this guy with the fans.
I don't know if anything will be said, but you don't think there are some players raising an eyebrow and shaking their heads that he bailed on the fumble recovery because he was worried about his health? I dunno. These guys work their entire lives to get that point and then the team leader acts selfishly. Not so sure about "water under the bridge". Divisive issue? Probably not.
Why? Because he dances?
Only one way to find out.
You honestly believe that the Panthers have a lot of talent on offense? I see Cam, Olsen and Stewart who struggles to stay healthy most years. Benjamin is great but he didn't play this year. Funchess was not the answer. Ginn overachieved and still wasn't the answer.
They have 5 1st rounders as starters on offense, not including Benjamin, by my count. A couple additional 2nd rounders on the O-line. That's not too bad.
Are they good though? I don't care if they are 1st and 2nd rounders. They are plenty of 1st and 2nd round players that absolutely suck. There are some that don't even make their team so using that as your criteria doesn't cut it.
If Russell Wilson handled his post game press conference the same way, rather than accepting blame for maybe the worst play call in SB history, I'd call him a sore loser too.
Cam had a chance to genuinely be a great role model here and he botched it.
In a word: yes. They're all better than good. After Marshawn Lynch, Stewart is the most talented player I've seen tote it in person at the college level. Kid is uber-talented and hasn't lost much because (luckily for him) his injuries haven't been severe. Ginn was always talented with amazing wheels, though soft. He's still that. Cam Newton is the third most talented and explosive runner on that team behind those two. Olsen I'd take after any TE not named Gronkowski. He should've been 1st team All Pro this season, IMHO. Oher is average these days, but has played great football at times. As I mentioned, the line, take as a whole, was well above average this year. And Cam is pretty damn good too.
