Can Tatum Bell Be the #1RB in football The rest of the year (1 Viewer)

[Tornacl]

I don't think so - I have him in my dynasty league and hope he will be, but I doubt it.The reason I don't think so was because of the last drive last night. He had a pretty good game besides the fumble, yet on the last scoring drive I think he had two carries, including a 10+ yarder. His team had the lead and was trying to run down the clock, yet they weren't giving him the ball. That tells me that Skeletor still isn't totally confident in him (also evidenced by not making him the starter during the preseason).I think he'll put up good numbers, but not great numbers. He doesn't score many TDs to begin with, so most of his value will come from yardage, and if Shanny isn't going to ride him into the ground in a home game against a 4-0 team, late in the game with a lead, in the rain, when will he? (And how's THAT for a sentence an English teacher would throw up over?)

You can't be serious. He had the main role of those last drives. The Ravens were putting so many guys in the box and they still went to Tatum. Yes, the Baltimore Ravens had to do that to stop Tatum. He was getting ~1 or 2 yards on those carries. So, when Shanny had them expecting yet ANOTHER RUN, he threw a flag route to RSmith.Excellent game plan by Shanny and he has complete trust in TBell - especially after that hard fought 3rd down run that completely sealed the game. Don't be fooled, last night was very very positive.

I disagree. On the last drive, Sapp had at least two carries and Kyle Johnson had at least one carry. The only good carry on the drive was Bell's carry on third down. He was the only effective runner they had, but Shanny was still giving the carries to other backs. Then, passing on 2nd down from the 4 yard line? Great! It works well for the Broncos, but for TBell to even be considered as potentially the top back from here on out, he would need to get those types of carries. With the lead late in the game, giving him another carry on 2nd down, and maybe third down to run time off the clock and/or force the Ravens to use their time outs isn't a bad plan. I don't think that LT, LJ, Alexander, Portis, or nearly any elite back would have been used the same way in a similar situation (assuming they were in the game, which Bell was).

1-10-DEN45 (6:47) J.Plummer pass deep left to J.Walker to BLT 28 for 27 yards (S.Rolle; D.Landry). 1-10-BAL28 (6:05) C.Sapp up the middle to BLT 25 for 3 yards (H.Ngata; K.Gregg). 2-7-BAL25 (5:22) J.Plummer pass short right to J.Walker to BLT 17 for 8 yards (E.Reed). 1-10-BAL17 (4:37) K.Johnson up the middle to BLT 15 for 2 yards (H.Ngata). 2-8-BAL15 (3:55) J.Walker up the middle to BLT 17 for -2 yards (T.Pryce; R.Lewis). 3-10-BAL17 (3:13) T.Bell left guard to BLT 5 for 12 yards (R.Lewis). 1-5-BAL5 (2:26) T.Bell up the middle to BLT 4 for 1 yard (B.Scott). 2-4-BAL4 (2:00) J.Plummer pass short right to R.Smith for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. One carry for each of the fullbacks on the last drive against the #1 defense in the NFL is hardly reason to say Shany isn't totally confident in Tatum.Here's the last drive of San Diego's win over Pittsburgh:1-10-SD42 (5:58) P.Rivers sacked at SD 41 for -1 yards (B.Keisel). 2-11-SD41 (5:20) M.Turner up the middle to SD 43 for 2 yards (C.Hoke, J.Porter). 3-9-SD43 (4:36) (Shotgun) P.Rivers scrambles up the middle to PIT 42 for 15 yards (J.Farrior). 1-10-PIT42 (3:46) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 44 for -2 yards (J.Farrior). 2-12-PIT44 (3:41) P.Rivers pass short right to A.Gates to PIT 33 for 11 yards (I.Taylor). 3-1-PIT33 (3:31) M.Turner left tackle to PIT 30 for 3 yards (J.Porter). 1-10-PIT30 (2:47) M.Turner right tackle to PIT 7 for 23 yards (J.Porter). 1-7-PIT7 (2:37) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 5 for 2 yards (B.Keisel). 2-5-PIT5 (2:00) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 4 for 1 yard (J.Farrior). 3-4-PIT4 (1:52) L.Tomlinson left tackle to PIT 4 for no gain (J.Porter). 4-4-PIT4 (1:07) N.Kaeding 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Binn, Holder-M.Scifres. Because L.T. only got 1 carry vs. Turner's 6 on the last drive, does that mean Marty isn't totally confident in L.T.?I don't think Tatum will be the #1 RB because he doesn't get as many catches and TD's like L.T., L.J, and some others. He has an outside shot if he starts getting a bunch of TD's, though.

I didn't realize that San Diego ran so many 2 back sets with LT and Turner - wait, I better explain this, it's called "sarcasm". Obviously you can quote stats, but have trouble reading the line "assuming they were in the game." Besides, Turner is a better back than Bell anyway. So maybe its not a confidence issue, who the heck cares? He just won't be the #1 back from here on out, because Shanny won't use him that way. Way too much time has been spent on this board trying to figure out his motives, but the fact is it really doesn't matter.

 

[Tornacl]

Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.

I guess you didn't see the preseason...Shanny has never wanted to commit to TBell being his starter, and has often seemed to intentionally look elsewhere. If that's what you call confidence, your definition is slightly different than mine is all.

 

[SickThing]

I do not think Bell can be as valuable as Rudi Johnson the rest of the way. With that in mind, I hoped a owner in my league felt that way also when I offered him Rudi and Driver for Tatum and Steve Smith. (I was hoping he was worried about Smith also, and I could use the WR help.) I got turned down. Oh well... I still love having Rudi.

I think Tatum ends up around the bottom of the top ten the rest of the way.

 

[replacements]

Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.

He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.

I guess you didn't see the preseason...Shanny has never wanted to commit to TBell being his starter, and has often seemed to intentionally look elsewhere. If that's what you call confidence, your definition is slightly different than mine is all.

You can not base what is happening now on what happened in the preseason.Ask Rex Grossman.Shanny may not have been sold on tatum at that time.If you look at what is going on now.It would seem that he is very committed to Tatum.The only thing I see changing that is a lack of productivity which I con't see happening, or a bad case of fumbleitis.

 

[mt99808]

I'm thinking about offering S. Jackson for Bell. This St. Louis offence is frustrating the hell out of me in the red zone. I've just about had enough.

 

[PsychoMan]

Seems like people have pretty high hopes for Tatum after last weeks game. I do too. He has a very nice schedule coming up.

Any idea why he is where he is on the most recent top 250 forward? Is Dodds opinion that much different than most others? Am I missing something here?

 

[montanagold]

T.Bell = very impressive. I'm so glad to have drafted him in the 7th. Of course I drafted the other bell in the 4th.

 

[Marc Levin]

Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.

I guess you didn't see the preseason...Shanny has never wanted to commit to TBell being his starter, and has often seemed to intentionally look elsewhere. If that's what you call confidence, your definition is slightly different than mine is all.

You missed the entire preseason "trying to motivate TBell" threads, huh?If he was really looking to go other ways, he'd have stuck with MBell on opening day. And, preseason does not = reg. season - what Shannie does in the REGULAR SEASON is the ONLY thing I care about. Based on Shannie's use of TBell so far in the regular season, you have to be to think Shannie doesn't "trust" TBell.

 

[Tornacl]

Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.

I guess you didn't see the preseason...Shanny has never wanted to commit to TBell being his starter, and has often seemed to intentionally look elsewhere. If that's what you call confidence, your definition is slightly different than mine is all.

You missed the entire preseason "trying to motivate TBell" threads, huh?If he was really looking to go other ways, he'd have stuck with MBell on opening day. And, preseason does not = reg. season - what Shannie does in the REGULAR SEASON is the ONLY thing I care about. Based on Shannie's use of TBell so far in the regular season, you have to be to think Shannie doesn't "trust" TBell.

I didn't realize the "trying to motivate TBell threads" were written by Shanny. I also remember a lot of Ron Dayne will be the next 1000 yard RB in Denver threads too. So maybe its not a trust issue. Maybe its a "I'm Shanny and way smarter than you" issue, regardless TBell won't be the #1 back from this point forward.As I said to start my first thread, I own TBell in a dynasty league, and really wish he would be. But there is absolutely NO WAY that Shanny will use him in such a way that he'll be the #1 back from this point forward, regardless of how great the schedule is.

 

[fatboyj711]

Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.

I guess you didn't see the preseason...Shanny has never wanted to commit to TBell being his starter, and has often seemed to intentionally look elsewhere. If that's what you call confidence, your definition is slightly different than mine is all.

You missed the entire preseason "trying to motivate TBell" threads, huh?If he was really looking to go other ways, he'd have stuck with MBell on opening day. And, preseason does not = reg. season - what Shannie does in the REGULAR SEASON is the ONLY thing I care about. Based on Shannie's use of TBell so far in the regular season, you have to be to think Shannie doesn't "trust" TBell.

I didn't realize the "trying to motivate TBell threads" were written by Shanny. I also remember a lot of Ron Dayne will be the next 1000 yard RB in Denver threads too. So maybe its not a trust issue. Maybe its a "I'm Shanny and way smarter than you" issue, regardless TBell won't be the #1 back from this point forward.As I said to start my first thread, I own TBell in a dynasty league, and really wish he would be. But there is absolutely NO WAY that Shanny will use him in such a way that he'll be the #1 back from this point forward, regardless of how great the schedule is.

are you arguing that he won't be the #1 back this point forward for the rest of this season or beyond this season? i don't think there's any doubt that tbell will be featured the rest of the season.... i think the point has already been belabored that it takes shanny a while to commit to a feature back, but once he does he's pretty consistent with his decision (griffin was a hiccup, but i think we can all agree that his talent was inferior to tbell's).. but i agree that he's not the long term solution (although that may depends on how this season plays out)...

 

[Marc Levin]

Complete agreement - gotta catch passes for a bunch of yards and score high double digit TDs from this point forward to even compete for the #1 RB.

I'd say the #1 RB from now forward will be one of LT, LJ, Portis or Rudi.

I'd have to see a much better Denver offense for me to believe Tatum will even be top-5 per game from here forward. Gotta have attempts from inside the 5, which means being able to move the ball down TO the 5.

 

[Marc Levin]

p.s. - agreed with Tornaci that TBell won't be #1 from here forward.

 

[Marc Levin]

Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.

I guess you didn't see the preseason...Shanny has never wanted to commit to TBell being his starter, and has often seemed to intentionally look elsewhere. If that's what you call confidence, your definition is slightly different than mine is all.

You missed the entire preseason "trying to motivate TBell" threads, huh?If he was really looking to go other ways, he'd have stuck with MBell on opening day. And, preseason does not = reg. season - what Shannie does in the REGULAR SEASON is the ONLY thing I care about. Based on Shannie's use of TBell so far in the regular season, you have to be to think Shannie doesn't "trust" TBell.

I didn't realize the "trying to motivate TBell threads" were written by Shanny. I also remember a lot of Ron Dayne will be the next 1000 yard RB in Denver threads too. So maybe its not a trust issue. Maybe its a "I'm Shanny and way smarter than you" issue, regardless TBell won't be the #1 back from this point forward.As I said to start my first thread, I own TBell in a dynasty league, and really wish he would be. But there is absolutely NO WAY that Shanny will use him in such a way that he'll be the #1 back from this point forward, regardless of how great the schedule is.

are you arguing that he won't be the #1 back this point forward for the rest of this season or beyond this season?

I don't think he's arguing that Tatum won't be Denver's #1 - he's arguing that he won't be the #1 FF back.Hard not to agree with that.

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

I didn't realize that San Diego ran so many 2 back sets with LT and Turner - wait, I better explain this, it's called "sarcasm". Obviously you can quote stats, but have trouble reading the line "assuming they were in the game." Besides, Turner is a better back than Bell anyway. So maybe its not a confidence issue, who the heck cares? He just won't be the #1 back from here on out, because Shanny won't use him that way. Way too much time has been spent on this board trying to figure out his motives, but the fact is it really doesn't matter.

I can read that line fine, wiseacre -- I watched the San Diego game and LT was in the game:http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20...1s9chnotes.html

"But in the second half, with Tomlinson and Turner often on the field at the same time, the Chargers rushed 23 times for 111 yards. The dual running back package wasn't the sole reason for the success, but it sure helped."

I agree Bell won't be the #1 back from here on out. I was just showing that running the fullback twice in the last drive doesn't mean that Shanny doesn't have confidence in Bell.

 

[redman]

Why don't we turn this into something more concrete?

Where do people rank TB from this point of the season through week 16? He's going to have to be pretty high for him to be worth getting in place of a guy like Frank Gore for example, but all I see are names getting thrown around with little analysis here.

 

[PsychoMan]

thats what i was trying to get at redman ...

with his upcoming schedule, from this point on, i don't see why he shouldn't be top 10.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Any opinions on Parker for T. Bell? I'm thinking of offering Parker for T. Bell and Betts. (Portis owner).

 

[phillzphan]

Any opinions on Parker for T. Bell? I'm thinking of offering Parker for T. Bell and Betts. (Portis owner).

bell>parker. After this week Bell's value will explode. Get the deal done asap.

 

[Gordon44]

I'm wondering whether Shanny will 'cap' TBell's carries to keep him healthy. Denver has some games coming up that they should win handily and will therefore be running a lot in the back half of these games. Will Tatum run the ball 30 times a game or will other RBs get in on the action after Tatum has his 100+ and 20-24 carries?

 

[BigTuna]

I think you make a good point. We shall see on this one this weekend.

 

[Garts]

My guess is Tatum always had the ability...but not the DESIRE Shanny wanted. He finally showed it this year and Shanny handed Tatum the keys.

Breaking tackles...fighting until the whistle blows and pass blocking are all much improved.

It's up to Bell to stay healthy and if he does look out.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

I have an offer on the table from an owner that wants to give me Brady or Brees, Bell, and LJ Smith for Palmer, a throw in RB of my choice, and Antonio Gates. This is tough in that Palmer has much more upside but hasn't been scoring much more than Brady or Brees and my RB's are pretty sorry with Foster and Bush (keeper league where Foster was my best choice for keeper at RB). This thread topic is definitely near and dear to me right now as I'm pondering his value from here forward right now. I think in a redraft it would be a no brainer as it would help me, but in a keeper Palmer is definitely one of the top QB's for this format (although Brady has been solid for this as well). Tough decisions here.

 

[SickThing]

Why don't we turn this into something more concrete?Where do people rank TB from this point of the season through week 16? He's going to have to be pretty high for him to be worth getting in place of a guy like Frank Gore for example, but all I see are names getting thrown around with little analysis here.

Well if that's all you see, you weren't looking very closely.

 

[sjdogs]

i just traded ronnie brown for him so i think so

 

[wilked]

nope

 

[Tornacl]

Sorry, I couldn't resist bringing this thread up again...

 

[Dragon Bones]

Back to RBBC

 

[protoslacker]

Even as I type TBell is losing his job.

 

[packersfan]

Back to RBBC

Looks more like a changing of the guard. Looks like Tatum's run as the starter is over for at least the time being.

 

[Tornacl]

I guess I was wrong... TBell hasn't been the consistent #1 RB in Denver, let alone the NFL.

 

[Sopranos]

I think Bells time as a starter for Denver is down to 2 games. Look for them to get another RB.

 

[packersfan]

I think Bells time as a starter for Denver is down to 2 games. Look for them to get another RB.

I agree. I said in another thread I think Tatum gets traded in the off-season. I don't believe next year's starter is currently on the roster.

 

[Da Guru]

Denver is right.

Tatum is a great 10-12 carry a game guy. Put him in every couple of series and he seem to explode. Tataum is a very explosive back, just not a workhorse.

 

[packersfan]

Denver is right. Tatum is a great 10-12 carry a game guy. Put him in every couple of series and he seem to explode. Tataum is a very explosive back, just not a workhorse.

I agree with this as well. I think what we've learned without question this season is Tatum is not built for the rigors of being a featured RB in the NFL.