candymanvandyfan
Footballguy
I think it depends on how the arm looks. Lacked the same pop after the injury. Raiders must have known something or they wouldn't have given up that much.
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Can we at least admit that Palmer is an upgrade over Campbell? (1 Viewer)
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PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
ESPN just reported Palmer is unlikely to start Sunday.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Their previous actions suggest otherwise.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
One thing is for certain; over their respective careers, Palmer has shown a far greater ability to score points. He averages a TD once every 21 attempts, this comapres well to guys like Brees (20.5), Rivrs (18.5) and Brady (18).
On the flip side, Campbell is one of the worst at getting the ball int he end zone with a TD average once every 29 attempts. This is worse than guys like David Garrard (25.6) and Kyle Orton (27).
Aside from that, Palmer's last 4 seasons have been nearly identical to Campbell's in regards to completion percentage, yards per attempt, Ints...
my best guess would be that if Palmer resembles what we have seen the last few years, he'll be an improvement in the red zone, but maybe not a lot else.
On the flip side, Campbell is one of the worst at getting the ball int he end zone with a TD average once every 29 attempts. This is worse than guys like David Garrard (25.6) and Kyle Orton (27).
Aside from that, Palmer's last 4 seasons have been nearly identical to Campbell's in regards to completion percentage, yards per attempt, Ints...
my best guess would be that if Palmer resembles what we have seen the last few years, he'll be an improvement in the red zone, but maybe not a lot else.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Deep passes, my friend. He needs to be able to throw it 15 yards+ with accuracy for this to be an upgrade. If he can, it could be a major upgrade b/c Campbell was not good beyond 15. Campbell hides his deep pass deficiencies with mobility and efficient dinking and dunking to try to get RAC. His whole game his whole career has been RAC. Hue brought Palmer to Oakland to reinsert the deep ball into the offensive threats he poses as a play caller, plain and simple. If successful, it could open this offense up with speed roaming in stretched out lanes.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Wasn't Palmer last in the league last year in passes thrown 15+ yards? I know he was near the bottom (ie 30+) in YPA.
LawFitz
Footballguy
This has me baffled as well. Faith in Hue Jackson has me believing it's because the Bengals team stinked as a whole last season and everything was dysfunctional because of the lack of team chemistry that started with Palmer's strained relationship with the WRs, coaches and owner.Hue Jax is not an idiot and had to have ordered a thorough medical vetting of the elbow, including complete review of the tape over the last few years. If the elbow's sound, and reports are that he's throwing it with plenty of zip, then the old Carson Palmer would be a steal for this team.If he's broken, well, then I don't know what to say, except that Hue might lose his job over it. This was a very big deal. A cornerstone moment for the guy. That's why it's hard for me to believe he'd pay so much for damaged goods. Hue put his personal stamp on this move, so belief is Carson is belief in Hue. Based on every other thing Hue has done so far in Oakland, he has my belief. Though I'm as eager as everyone else to see if it is justified.
Garrett
Footballguy
Campbell threw an awful awful INT vs Houston. No WR in sight and straight to two defenders in the end zone. Last week against the Browns he ran up the middle and went down untouched (diving) and in the process rolled (fumbled) the ball down the field to the Browns. I agree in the past he had done a good job limiting turnovers, but this year, not so much. Carson is a huge question mark because of the situation he is leaving in Cinci, but he has the potential to be a huge upgrade at QB for Oakland.
Garrett
Footballguy
With Owens and Chad I would assume Jordan Shipley was the only WR on the field running the correct route the majority of the time.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
See the correction above - the Win Now ambition of the Raiders was this year or next year.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Dante C. was watching TV the weekend before the Lions called him up midseason a few years ago and he did about as good as he did after being there awhile.
I think Palmer is a slight upgrade over Campbell even coming in midseason. Plus, you never know who a QB might develop some chemistry with that may not have been hot before. The Raider receivers are a hold for me until I can see how he looks and who Palmer likes to target.
I think Palmer is a slight upgrade over Campbell even coming in midseason. Plus, you never know who a QB might develop some chemistry with that may not have been hot before. The Raider receivers are a hold for me until I can see how he looks and who Palmer likes to target.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Well, Boller is starting this week. The Raiders have a bye next week so look for Palmer to make his starting debut in week 9. Temper all receiving yardage for the Raiders till then.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Just for the record, Culpepper threw for 104 yards and 0 TDs in his first game for the Lions. The next 4 games he averaged 170/1/1.25.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Thanks for posting, so pretty bad to start and never really got much better. The Lions really were desperate at that time, obviously.
CalBear
Footballguy
Boller has the capability to put up numbers; he won me a championship in 2005. In fantasy terms he'll probably be in the same ballpark as Campbell.
Short Corner
Footballguy
so not making it either years makes it better?
notdarkyet
Footballguy
Must say I am loving this.
The Comedian
Footballguy
No we cannot.
jurb26
Footballguy
Campbell constantly gets disrespected in fantasy circles. He's not nearly as bad as people want to say. He's an average starting QB. Nothing more, nothing less. I'm not sure that Palmer is going to be that. People are still thinking of the glory days of Palmer. He's not the same player. I hope he can be, for the sake of McFadden and the Raiders... speaking of which this team is not the same w/o McFadden. He's a difference maker.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I probably wouldn't even call him average. He's good enough to start for someone, but not good enough to keep his team from looking elsewhere. Doubt Palmer comes close to being worth the draft picks, but he's better than what he showed today.
jurb26
Footballguy
That's not saying much. He was awful today, rightfully so. It's very debatable that he will be better than Campbell though.
I think he's better than what he showed today, but I'm not seeing the arm strength that Ken O'Brien claims is back again...
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
I admit it.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Still not convinced his arm is back to what it once was. A few plays made me think he's back. Other plays made me wonder why Oakland bothered.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
He's an upgrade easily. Better in game 2 as a Raider than Campbell's ever been in his life.
Real question is he worth the price. QB was the sore spot on the team (they've got a lot of nice weapons on offense). Not sure I'd give up an additional 1st/2nd.
Real question is he worth the price. QB was the sore spot on the team (they've got a lot of nice weapons on offense). Not sure I'd give up an additional 1st/2nd.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Two of his interceptions were wounded ducks, including the last throw which seemed to float in the air like it was trying out for the sequel to "American Beauty".
