Can you draft Manning and Gates in a new dynasty (1 Viewer)

[cscmtp]

I am in the middle of a 12 team dynasty MOCK draft. I had the 5th spot.

1.5 Jackson

2.8 Manning

3.5 Gates

I decided to try something different, and take the best available player, regardless of position. So the question is, can you draft a competitive team for year one if you take a QB AND TE early?

Assume you start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 RB or WR Flex, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D.

Has anyone drafted BOTH a QB and TE this early and finished with a playoff team? Thoughts?

 

[EBF]

I like those picks. I think the key in dynasty is to stockpile talent, and those guys are both the unquestioned top players at their position. Grab a few guys like LenDale White, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, Marion Barber, and William Green, and you should be okay at RB in the not-so-distant future.

 

[Todem]

I like those picks. I think the key in dynasty is to stockpile talent, and those guys are both the unquestioned top players at their position. Grab a few guys like LenDale White, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, Marion Barber, and William Green, and you should be okay at RB in the not-so-distant future.

William Green?Are you smoking green?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think the strategy can work if you get 2 halves of a very good running teams RBs in the 4th and 5th (jones/benson, maroney/dillon for instance) and then take a bunch of veteran WRs in the 6th-10th. As long as that plan yields a real RB2 and some of those aging WRs that ALWAYS outperform their draft slot, you can pull it off.

 

[SSOG]

I am in the middle of a 12 team dynasty MOCK draft. I had the 5th spot.

1.5 Jackson

2.8 Manning

3.5 Gates

I decided to try something different, and take the best available player, regardless of position. So the question is, can you draft a competitive team for year one if you take a QB AND TE early?

Assume you start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 RB or WR Flex, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 D.

Has anyone drafted BOTH a QB and TE this early and finished with a playoff team? Thoughts?

Anything is possible.I know someone whose first 3 picks in a league in 2004 were Ricky Williams, Marshall Faulk, and Travis Henry. Those 3 finished the season as RB29 (Faulk), RB73 (Henry), and "retired" (Williams). The guy still won the league.

Your first several picks aren't going to win your league- your later picks are. You can either go from the 4th round on focusing on building a solid long-term dynasty team... or you can sell out once you've got your 3-man core and focus on guys who will have great value this year and little long-term value, who should be available cheaply in a dynasty league.

With that said, I think that getting Jackson/Manning/Gates would put you WELL AHEAD of the game. I also think you're crazy if you think you're getting Gates at 3.05. He frequently doesn't even last that long in REDRAFT. If you think he's going to last that long in dynasty, you're out of your mind. I've argued on this board about the subject before, but I think Gates is a 1st round pick in Dynasty. Even more, there are probably only 5 or 6 players I like better than him.

 

[Buckna]

That's the start of a competitive core. Despite what you think, you aren't reaching on Manning or Gates at all (Gates is value in the mid-3rd!) Now if you had gone:

1st - Manning

2nd - Gates

3rd - RB

Then you'd be having a much harder time being competitive in the first year. It would be possible to make the playoffs that way, but you certainly wouldn't be a high seed or a favorite to win.

 

[-OZ-]

Not only "Can you", you should be competive with that core group.

As stated above, Manning generally goes in the first, as IMO he should in a dynasty league.

 

[BigTex]

Not only "Can you", you should be competive with that core group.

As stated above, Manning generally goes in the first, as IMO he should in a dynasty league.

Even at 1.5?

 

[-OZ-]

Not only "Can you", you should be competive with that core group.

As stated above, Manning generally goes in the first, as IMO he should in a dynasty league.

Even at 1.5?

not what I said or meant (since when is the 1st round top 5?), but that isn't too far fetched, depending on the rules.

 

[MLBrandow]

As long as you land a solid RB1 and solid WR1, you can do whatever you want in rd2-5 and still be sitting pretty this year. I say go for it.

 

[BigTex]

Not only "Can you", you should be competive with that core group.

As stated above, Manning generally goes in the first, as IMO he should in a dynasty league.

Even at 1.5?

not what I said or meant (since when is the 1st round top 5?), but that isn't too far fetched, depending on the rules.

Too much coffee? The original poster seems to be picking at the 1.5, I simply asked for more clarification, nothing more.

 

[-OZ-]

Not only "Can you", you should be competive with that core group.

As stated above, Manning generally goes in the first, as IMO he should in a dynasty league.

Even at 1.5?

not what I said or meant (since when is the 1st round top 5?), but that isn't too far fetched, depending on the rules.

Too much coffee? The original poster seems to be picking at the 1.5, I simply asked for more clarification, nothing more.

Maybe too much studying. I thought my point was clear, Manning is worth a first round pick, therefore a great pick at 2.8.

 

[SSOG]

Not only "Can you", you should be competive with that core group.

As stated above, Manning generally goes in the first, as IMO he should in a dynasty league.

Even at 1.5?

not what I said or meant (since when is the 1st round top 5?), but that isn't too far fetched, depending on the rules.

I think Gates deserves to go before Manning in dynasty.

 

[-OZ-]

Not only "Can you", you should be competive with that core group.

As stated above, Manning generally goes in the first, as IMO he should in a dynasty league.

Even at 1.5?

not what I said or meant (since when is the 1st round top 5?), but that isn't too far fetched, depending on the rules.

I think Gates deserves to go before Manning in dynasty.

I suppose it's arguable, but I humbly disagree. Maybe in leagues where you can start 2 TEs but only 1 QB, but that isn't the case here.Either way, I like this draft, muy mucho. (so far)

 

[Scarpaggio]

I did just that in a new dynasty league this year. I'm not extremely excited about the team this year and most disappointed in my WR more than anything. I still like the team but for this year some other teams drafted to win now.

I did trade out of the 1.3 spot and got the 1.11 and the 3.11 picks for it and my 6th round pick i think. The FA move was dropping Chris Henry and picking up Fisher.

Frye, Charlie CLE QB 12.10

Manning, Peyton IND QB 2.10

Smith, Alex SFO QB 20.10

Benson, Cedric CHI RB 4.10

Fisher, Tony STL RB FA

Gore, Frank SFO RB 8.10

Jackson, Steven STL RB 1.11

Peterson, Adrian CHI RB 21.03

Shelton, Eric CAR RB 17.03

Turner, Michael SDC RB 10.10

White, LenDale TEN RB ® 5.03

Bradley, Mark CHI WR 18.10

Clayton, Michael TBB WR 6.10

Gabriel, Doug OAK WR 22.10

Jennings, Greg GBP WR ® 19.03

Mason, Derrick BAL WR 9.03

Moss, Santana WAS WR 3.11

Parker, Eric SDC WR 24.10

White, Roddy ATL WR 14.10

Wilford, Ernest JAC WR 11.03

Gates, Antonio SDC TE 3.03

Troupe, Ben TEN TE 15.03

Graham, Shayne CIN PK 16.10

Steelers, Pittsburgh PIT Def 13.03

Vikings, Minnesota MIN Def 25.03

 

[David Yudkin]

In my most recent new dynasty league draft . . .

Gates 2.07

Manning 2.09

I doubt either of these two will be available in the 3rd round.

 

[EBF]

I like those picks. I think the key in dynasty is to stockpile talent, and those guys are both the unquestioned top players at their position. Grab a few guys like LenDale White, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, Marion Barber, and William Green, and you should be okay at RB in the not-so-distant future.

William Green?Are you smoking green?

He's a free agent after next season. Remember, Thomas Jones was also considered a huge bust until he finally got out of Arizona. I don't think Green is a great back, but he's never been given an opportunity with a real coaching staff and a real supporting cast.

 

[David Yudkin]

I like those picks. I think the key in dynasty is to stockpile talent, and those guys are both the unquestioned top players at their position. Grab a few guys like LenDale White, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, Marion Barber, and William Green, and you should be okay at RB in the not-so-distant future.

William Green?Are you smoking green?

He's a free agent after next season. Remember, Thomas Jones was also considered a huge bust until he finally got out of Arizona. I don't think Green is a great back, but he's never been given an opportunity with a real coaching staff and a real supporting cast.

Which NFL franchise is in such dire straits that they would bring in Green as a potential starter?

 

[EBF]

I like those picks. I think the key in dynasty is to stockpile talent, and those guys are both the unquestioned top players at their position. Grab a few guys like LenDale White, Chris Perry, Ryan Moats, Marion Barber, and William Green, and you should be okay at RB in the not-so-distant future.

William Green?Are you smoking green?

He's a free agent after next season. Remember, Thomas Jones was also considered a huge bust until he finally got out of Arizona. I don't think Green is a great back, but he's never been given an opportunity with a real coaching staff and a real supporting cast.

Which NFL franchise is in such dire straits that they would bring in Green as a potential starter?

I think he'd be an immediate upgrade for the Steelers or Jets. He'd also be a good pickup for the Giants as a possible candidate to replace Barber. Several more teams will have questionable RB situations by this time next season. Everyone is writing Green off on the basis of a few disappointing seasons on a horrible team with an inept coaching staff. I'm not saying he'll pan out, but he could be the next Thomas Jones or Ron Dayne.

 

[SSOG]

Which NFL franchise is in such dire straits that they would bring in Green as a potential starter?

The same question could have been asked of Thomas Jones circa 2002, Michael Pittman circa 2001, Ron Dayne circa 2004, or Reuben Droughns circa 2002, among others. Sometimes a change of scenery is all you need.

 

[bjlmonster]

I think so.

Last year, I drafted Deuce McAllister, Harrison, Barber, Horn, Palmer, Heap. and ended up with the best record and lost in the superbowl.

Since Deuce and Horn busted, It was basically Harrson, Barber, Palmer, Heap with my first 4 picks.

If you can follow up now with a solid #2 RB or #1 WR you will be okay.

 

[cscmtp]

update-

1.5 Jackson

2.8 Manning

3.5 Gates

4.8 Walker

 

[Sabertooth]

No, you can't win. Try again next year.

 

[-OZ-]

update-

1.5 Jackson

2.8 Manning

3.5 Gates

4.8 Walker

You had to blow it, didn't you? This would become an AC thread if you continued too much with this, but I'm curious to see who's left.

 

[cscmtp]

I'm not asking who i should draft. I thought it was an interesting discussion. I can quit posting if you think it belongs on the other board.

 

[MLBrandow]

I tried it last night in the FBG mock and still believe there is much better value in RB WR WR and holding off on QB/TE.

The WR dropoff is much steeper and faster than the QB/TE dropoff to me.

 

[cscmtp]

MLBrandow i have always agreed with that. Just thought i'd try going QB or TE early (and in this case did both) to see what kind of team i could field. But i think you almost HAVE to go 2 RBs and 2 WRs in the first 4 or 5 rounds or you're climbing a tough hill...

 

[SSOG]

MLBrandow i have always agreed with that. Just thought i'd try going QB or TE early (and in this case did both) to see what kind of team i could field. But i think you almost HAVE to go 2 RBs and 2 WRs in the first 4 or 5 rounds or you're climbing a tough hill...

Personally, I think you made out like a bandit. I've already said that I think all 3 players should be 1st round picks in a Dynasty league. Getting the trio is a real coup.