QuizGuy66
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I think it's up to you Dispatch. Don't be afraid, my Bengals team came out alright even though I'm not that up on the early history - lots of resources to give it your best shot are out there.-QG
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Can your all-time team beat my all-time team? (1 Viewer)
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MarshallRob
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I say don't take that post back. Here's the top 20 best three-year stretches recorded by NFL receivers since 1970 as measured by VBD:1) Rice 467 1986-1988I need to take back my post. I always felt Branch was a better receiver than Tim Brown, but in looking at the numbers in similar years Tim Brown blew Branch away. Unless I can see a huge amount of drops disparity and a ton less targets, I have to give TB the nod.Bo, was clearly the best but ghis career was not nearly as good as Allens. If you are playing for one year alone yes, but I think you are talking about best careers at positions.I would have Cliff Branch over Tim Brown though.Marcus (or maybe even Bo) would go for about 2,300 behind that line. And I love 2 shutdown corners with 2 headhunting safeties.OAKLAND RAIDERS
Coach - John Madden
QB - Ken Stabler
FB - Mark Van Eaghen
RB - Marcus Allen
WR - Fred Bilitnikoff
WR - Tim Brown
TE - Dave Casper
LT - Art Shell
LG - Gene Upshaw
C - Jim Otto
RG - Steve Wisniewski
RT - Henry Lawrence
DL - Ben Davidson
DL - Tom Keating
DL - Otis Sistrunk
DL - Howie Long
LB - Ted Hendricks
LB - Matt Millin
LB - Rod Martin
CB - Willie Brown
CB - Mike Haynes
SS - George Atkinson
FS - Jack Tatum
PK - George Blanda
P - Ray Guy
Punt returner - Tim Brown
Kick returner - Chris Carr (slightly over Desmond Howard & Rocket Ismail)
*Just missing the cut*
- John Matuszak
- Lester Hayes
- Dave Dalby
- Jim Plunkett
- Todd Christensen
- Cliff Branch
- Pete Banazak
- Phil Villapiano
- Todd Marinovich
I'd like to thank the OP for depressing the HELL out of me.
2) Rice 454 1987-1989
3) Rice 453 1993-1995
4) Rice 387 1992-1994
5) Rice 385 1985-1987
6) Rice 377 1994-1996
7) Rice 365 1989-1991
8) Rice 357 1988-1990
9) Branch 352 1974-1976
10) Harrison 348 1999-2001
11) Harrison 348 2000-2002
12) Rice 347 1991-1993
13) Sharpe 333 1992-1994
14) R. Moss 327 1998-2000
15) Owens 326 2000-2002
16) Rice 319 1990-1992
17) Harrison 316 2001-2003
18) R. Moss 288 2001-2003
19) G. Washington 280 1970-1972
20) Lofton 279 1981-1983
21) Holt 279 2003-2005
Branch reached a higher peak than any post-1970 receiver not named Jerry Rice. Tim Brown's best three-year stretch: 205. His best three non-consective seasons add up to 219. Brown's career VBD is only slightly higher than Branch's, 535 to 487. The huge disparity in total yards and TD's is solely a product of the different eras each man played in. Branch's best years came in the NFL's mid-70's dead ball era. At their best, Branch was the far more dominant receiver.
I've posted about this before that in my opinion it's not Art Monk who's gotten shafted most by the HOF voters. It's guys like Harold Jackson, Harold Carmichael, and Branch whose accomplishments haven't properly evaluated because the passing game didn't open back up until they were in the twilight of their careers.
buster c
Footballguy
Agreed. And I'd put Len Hauss at center and Chris Hanburger at LB over Wilbur, who played far fewer seasons then CH. Never heard of Stanfel or Drazenovich
so would probably list Paul Laaveg, Mark Schlereth or TreJohnson at G and Monte Coleman at LB.Maybe Brig Owens for Murphy at S. Sean Taylor will one day be the all-time S. too early for that now.Those stats for Rice, having the #1 THROUGH #8 best 3 year stretches is absolutely incredible. If there was ever still any tiny bit of a doubt in anyone's mind who the best WR EVER was, that should fully convince you.I say don't take that post back. Here's the top 20 best three-year stretches recorded by NFL receivers since 1970 as measured by VBD:1) Rice 467 1986-1988I need to take back my post. I always felt Branch was a better receiver than Tim Brown, but in looking at the numbers in similar years Tim Brown blew Branch away. Unless I can see a huge amount of drops disparity and a ton less targets, I have to give TB the nod.Bo, was clearly the best but ghis career was not nearly as good as Allens. If you are playing for one year alone yes, but I think you are talking about best careers at positions.I would have Cliff Branch over Tim Brown though.Marcus (or maybe even Bo) would go for about 2,300 behind that line. And I love 2 shutdown corners with 2 headhunting safeties.OAKLAND RAIDERS
Coach - John Madden
QB - Ken Stabler
FB - Mark Van Eaghen
RB - Marcus Allen
WR - Fred Bilitnikoff
WR - Tim Brown
TE - Dave Casper
LT - Art Shell
LG - Gene Upshaw
C - Jim Otto
RG - Steve Wisniewski
RT - Henry Lawrence
DL - Ben Davidson
DL - Tom Keating
DL - Otis Sistrunk
DL - Howie Long
LB - Ted Hendricks
LB - Matt Millin
LB - Rod Martin
CB - Willie Brown
CB - Mike Haynes
SS - George Atkinson
FS - Jack Tatum
PK - George Blanda
P - Ray Guy
Punt returner - Tim Brown
Kick returner - Chris Carr (slightly over Desmond Howard & Rocket Ismail)
*Just missing the cut*
- John Matuszak
- Lester Hayes
- Dave Dalby
- Jim Plunkett
- Todd Christensen
- Cliff Branch
- Pete Banazak
- Phil Villapiano
- Todd Marinovich
I'd like to thank the OP for depressing the HELL out of me.
2) Rice 454 1987-1989
3) Rice 453 1993-1995
4) Rice 387 1992-1994
5) Rice 385 1985-1987
6) Rice 377 1994-1996
7) Rice 365 1989-1991
8) Rice 357 1988-1990
9) Branch 352 1974-1976
10) Harrison 348 1999-2001
11) Harrison 348 2000-2002
12) Rice 347 1991-1993
13) Sharpe 333 1992-1994
14) R. Moss 327 1998-2000
15) Owens 326 2000-2002
16) Rice 319 1990-1992
17) Harrison 316 2001-2003
18) R. Moss 288 2001-2003
19) G. Washington 280 1970-1972
20) Lofton 279 1981-1983
21) Holt 279 2003-2005
Branch reached a higher peak than any post-1970 receiver not named Jerry Rice. Tim Brown's best three-year stretch: 205. His best three non-consective seasons add up to 219. Brown's career VBD is only slightly higher than Branch's, 535 to 487. The huge disparity in total yards and TD's is solely a product of the different eras each man played in. Branch's best years came in the NFL's mid-70's dead ball era. At their best, Branch was the far more dominant receiver.
I've posted about this before that in my opinion it's not Art Monk who's gotten shafted most by the HOF voters. It's guys like Harold Jackson, Harold Carmichael, and Branch whose accomplishments haven't properly evaluated because the passing game didn't open back up until they were in the twilight of their careers.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
My best shot at the Eagles
QB - McNabb (tough call between him cunningham and jurgensen)
FB - ?
RB - Wilbert Montgomery
WR - T.O.
WR - Tommy McDonald
TE - Keith Jackson
T - Boomer Brown
G - Shawn Andrews
C - Jim Ringo
G - Jermaine Mayberry
T - Tra Thomas
DL - Reggie White
DL - Bill Hewit
DL - Jerome Brown
DL - Clyde Simmons
LB - Alex Wojciechowicz
LB - Chuck Bednarik
LB - Bill Bergey
CB - Eric Allen
CB - Troy Vincent
S - Andre Waters
S - Brian Dawkins
P - Max Runager
K - David Akers
P/KR - Brian Mitchell
QB - McNabb (tough call between him cunningham and jurgensen)
FB - ?
RB - Wilbert Montgomery
WR - T.O.
WR - Tommy McDonald
TE - Keith Jackson
T - Boomer Brown
G - Shawn Andrews
C - Jim Ringo
G - Jermaine Mayberry
T - Tra Thomas
DL - Reggie White
DL - Bill Hewit
DL - Jerome Brown
DL - Clyde Simmons
LB - Alex Wojciechowicz
LB - Chuck Bednarik
LB - Bill Bergey
CB - Eric Allen
CB - Troy Vincent
S - Andre Waters
S - Brian Dawkins
P - Max Runager
K - David Akers
P/KR - Brian Mitchell
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dgreen
Footballguy
Hauss is a good call. I'd move Jacoby to guard and let Lachey and Edwards play tackle.Aside from Huff, the two OLB spots aren't clear cut. I'd probably go with Hanburger and Marshall and Coleman could be the nickel/dime guy.Paul Krause could be the other safety next to Houston. Washington drafted him and he played four seasons in DC, so I'd say that's enough until Taylor gets another year or two in.At K, I might go with Lohmiller. He was more accurate than Moseley and had a stronger leg.Some might argue for Mike Nelms over Brian Mitchell. And, Bobby Mitchell is very capable of filling that spot, too.Agreed. And I'd put Len Hauss at center and Chris Hanburger at LB over Wilbur, who played far fewer seasons then CH.Never heard of Stanfel or Drazenovichso would probably list Paul Laaveg, Mark Schlereth or TreJohnson at G and Monte Coleman at LB.Maybe Brig Owens for Murphy at S. Sean Taylor will one day be the all-time S. too early for that now.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
There you go, now your Eagles brethren have to help you with the quality control
-QGMarshallRob
Footballguy
How can you have an All-Time Eagles Team that doesn't include Steve Van Buren? He's a 6-time all-pro, won 4 rushing titles, and he's on the NFL's All-Time Team. And I think the Eagles are going to have some problems if they have to use the 2005 suspended T.O. at WR. The Eagles do have 2 HOF receivers in Tommy McDonald and Pete Pihos and in my opinion Harold Carmichael should be in also. I think the combination of McDonald's speed and Carmichael's height would be the best possible duo for McNabb. The defense looks good.There you go, now your Eagles brethren have to help you with the quality control-QG
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Good edits. Let me add a few.FB - Cookie OR Jim Braxton. I think he and OJ formed 1st 1000 duo .RB - Loved TT, but if OJ had been on the SB teams...OMG.WR - Lofton counts GB, so Dubenion, Butler, Hill, Moses or Chandler.OG - Isn't Shaw HOF?OT - Wasn't Wolford better then Devlin?LB - CS counts DET. Tough call, BUF has had many good LBs.CB - Robert James over Clements, not Byrd. Nat's not on this list.SS - Seems there is someone we're forgetting.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
There you go, now your Eagles brethren have to help you with the quality control-QG
IMO, T.O. > McDonald or Pihos. I did forget about Carmichael, but I think Owens is better than any of them. IMO, few have ever been better than Owens at his best. It's easy to make a case for Van Buren over Montgomery, but Montgomery was dynamite. He broke nearly every rushing record the Eagles had and still holds 7, including TDs in a game, yards, yards in a season, 100 yard games, and 100 yard games in a season. Either one is great.
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
What about Mike Quick at WR? I know Tommy McDonald made the hall of fame like 40 years after he played but come on the BEST WRs the Eagles had were Quick, Carmichael, and TO, those 3 >>>McDonald. Obviously TO did not play here long enough to be considerd an EagleI'd throw Seth Joyner in there at LB-huge playmaker for those great Eagles defenses of the late 80's-90'sThere you go, now your Eagles brethren have to help you with the quality control-QG
IMO, T.O. > McDonald or Pihos. I did forget about Carmichael, but I think Owens is better than any of them. IMO, few have ever been better than Owens at his best. It's easy to make a case for Van Buren over Montgomery, but Montgomery was dynamite. He broke nearly every rushing record the Eagles had and still holds 7, including TDs in a game, yards, yards in a season, 100 yard games, and 100 yard games in a season. Either one is great.
