Can your all-time team beat my all-time team? (1 Viewer)

[turkishkamel]

Detroit Lions

Coach: Buddy Parker

QB: Bobby Layne

RB: Barry Sanders, Billy Sims

FB: Corey Schlesinger

WR: Herman Moore

WR: Roy Williams

TE: Charlie Sanders

OT: Lomas Brown, John Gordy

OG: Harley Sewell, **** Stanfel

C: Kevin Glover

Ahhh yes. The rarely-used 2 tailback, 1 guard alignment. If I don't get to use Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson in the same backfield, the rest of you don't get to use two tailbacks together, either.And Roy is already better than Perriman EVER was.

since barry never liked a fullback, sims can play in the slot. martz could figure it out. and i'll take roy over perriman anyday as well. just felt obligated to include perriman, reminds me of the good old days (the 9-7 days ). spaced a second guard.

 

[Raider Nation]

I see Blades and Jackson as the same receiver, but Jackson has the benefit of playing in a better offense. Jackson is not a "special" receiver. Ask yourself honestly, have you ever seen him make a spectacular reception? Even one? I can't, and I've seen every down of every Seahawks game he's ever played in.

Yes. Seattle @ Arizona a few years ago. Seattle won something like 35-0.Jackson made a great catch for a TD.

Of course this is a subjective sort of thing. How to make it objective? I double dog dare you to find a clip on the web of even one spectacular Jackson catch. Just one. To get your started I'll provide links to Youtube.Darrell Jackson @ Youtube - Sadly, the only clip you'll find there is from a video game.

Larry Fitzgerald @ Youtube - Quite the selection.

I'll stand by my statement that Jackson is far from a special talent. Very far.

Heh, that's the first place I checked when you first mentioned him.All I could find was an interview with him. Maybe there aren't many Seahwaks fans around.

As opposed to the flocks of Arizona and Pitt fans? Do you really believe that Jackson is a special talent? Or where you just looking to be difficult?

It's okay to remove your moderator hat now and then. Please go back and read through the things I wrote to you. I don't believe I was being "difficult" or combative or any other adjective you'd like to use.

You listed Blades as a starter at WR on your all-time Sehawks team.

I questioned you as to why.

End of story.

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[QuizGuy66]

Great Thread, I'll give a stab at my beloved Who-Deys

Coach: Paul Brown

QB - Ken Anderson (check back in a few years and it might be Palmer. Tough not to put Boomer here)

RB - James Brooks

FB - Pete Johnson (not enough time in for Lo Neal and Ickey to take this)

WR - Cris Collinsworth

WR - Chad Johnson (the Bengals have had seemingly a million great receivers)

TE - Bob Trumpy (even though he seems to kick the Bengals any time he's covering our games)

LT - Anthony Munoz (nothing need be said - best ever)

LG - Max Montoya

C - Bob Johnson

RG - Dave Lapham (played all 5 spots and certainly should go somewhere)

RT - Willie Anderson (took awhile for the league to give him his due, another easy choice)

DE - Coy Bacon (dug into the books for this one, to be honest, but had numbers that can't be denied)

DE - Ross Browner

DT - Eddie Edwards (putting him here lets me have him and Browner on the team, according to bengals.com he played both positions)

DT - Tim Krumrie (*sigh* what might have been w/o that awful injury in Supe XXIII)

LB - Reggie Williams

LB - James Francis

LB - Takeo Spikes (imagine if Marvin had him - instead he keeps on losing, this time in Buffalo)

CB - Ken Riley (look at his numbers - he should be in the Hall of Fame)

CB - Eric Thomas

FS - Tommy Casanova (again I'll take the word of others on this one)

SS - David Fulcher (huge part of that Supe XXIII team)

P - Lee Johnson (great punter on bad teams)

K - Shayne Graham (sentiment would say Breech, but Graham has been ridiculously good for us)

KR - Stanford Jennings (if for no other reason that the video of Wyche bobbing his head during Stanford's kickoff return in Supe XXIII)

WHO DEY!

-QG

 

[BigRed]

My all-time Colts team has some revenge to extract for those 60s losses and would definitely do it um can I have Manning as my QB2

Ok homers can you put together a better team than my all-time Browns.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

I see Blades and Jackson as the same receiver, but Jackson has the benefit of playing in a better offense. Jackson is not a "special" receiver. Ask yourself honestly, have you ever seen him make a spectacular reception? Even one? I can't, and I've seen every down of every Seahawks game he's ever played in.

Yes. Seattle @ Arizona a few years ago. Seattle won something like 35-0.Jackson made a great catch for a TD.

Of course this is a subjective sort of thing. How to make it objective? I double dog dare you to find a clip on the web of even one spectacular Jackson catch. Just one. To get your started I'll provide links to Youtube.Darrell Jackson @ Youtube - Sadly, the only clip you'll find there is from a video game.

Larry Fitzgerald @ Youtube - Quite the selection.

I'll stand by my statement that Jackson is far from a special talent. Very far.

I'm not following. Because Jackson doesnt have many videos on you tube, he's not talented? Seems like an odd way to measure...

 

[dgreen]

Washington Redskins:Coach: Joe Gibbs (HOF) QB: Sammy Baugh (HOF) /Sonny Jurgensen (HOF)RB: Larry Brown/John Riggins (HOF)OT: Turk Edwards (HOF)/Jim Lachey/Joe JacobyG: Russ Grimm, **** StanfelC: Jeff BosticWR: Bobby Mitchell (HOF) /Charlie Taylor (HOF) /Art MonkTE: Don WarrenDE: Charles Mann/Dexter ManleyDT: Dave Butz/Diron TalbertLB: Sam Huff (HOF) /Wilbur Marshall/Chuck DrazenovichS: Ken Houston (HOF) /Mark MurphyCB: Darrell Green/Champ Bailey PR/KR: Brian MitchellP: Sammy Baugh (HOF) K: Mark MoseleyRedman and others - feel free to alter.

The TE should probably be Jerry Smith.

 

[WhoDat]

Detroit LionsCoach: Buddy Parker QB: Bobby LayneRB: Barry Sanders, Billy SimsFB: Corey SchlesingerWR: Herman MooreWR: Bret Perriman (soon to be Roy Williams)TE: Charlie SandersOT: Lomas Brown, John GordyOG: Harley Sewell, C: Kevin GloverDE: Robert Porcher, Al BakerDT: Shaun Rogers, Alex Karras, Luther EllisLB: Chris Spielman, Wayner Walker, Pat Swilling, Joe SchmidtCB: Dre Bly, Lem BarneyS: **** "Night Train" Lane, Bennie BladesK: Jason HansonRet: Mel GrayST: Doak Walker (he played everywhere)just a quick list

Good work.I started to do this for the Lions but...It ended up being a list comprised of players that just about everyone would have no idea who they were unless they really liked the Lions or football played in the 40's and 50's. Add Christiansen (S-HOF) and Yale Lary (S-HOF) to the defensive backfield. Remove Bly and Blades. Move Night Train to his slot at Corner with Barney. Lary also won the NFL punting crown a few times. Creekmur (G-T HOF) can be added to the line. He was primarily a Guard.Wojciechowicz (LB-HOF) needs to be added. Dutch Clark (QB/TB-HOF) needs to be somewhere on the team. He was one of the last great triple threat QB in the pre war era.

 

[Despyzer]

I'm not following. Because Jackson doesnt have many videos on you tube, he's not talented? Seems like an odd way to measure...

Now you know why I am always so down on guys like Don Hutson and Raymond Berry.

 

[BigRed]

the Baltimore team (no Indy players allowed):

lol psst - I know he split time but Lenny Moore was a RB FYI.

 

[BigRed]

The COLTS team:

Offense

QB: Johnny Unitas

RB: Lenny Moore

FB: Alan Ameche

WR: Raymond Berry

WR: Marvin Harrison

TE: John Mackey

OG: **** Szymanski

OG: Jim Parker

OT: Tarik Glenn

OT: Bob Vogel

C: Bill Currey

Defense

DE: Gino Marchetti

DE: Bubba Smith

DT: Art Donovan

DT: Billy Ray Smith

LB: Ted Hendricks

LB: Stan White

LB: Mike Curtis

CB: Lenny Lyles

CB: Bobby Boyd

FS: Rick Volk

SS: Jerry Logan

PK: Vandy

P/KR: Harrison

P: Rohn Stark

 

[Jous]

The COLTS team:OffenseQB: Johnny UnitasRB: Lenny MooreFB: Alan AmecheWR: Raymond BerryWR: Marvin HarrisonTE: John MackeyOG: **** SzymanskiOG: Jim ParkerOT: Tarik GlennOT: Bob VogelC: Bill CurreyDefenseDE: Gino MarchettiDE: Bubba SmithDT: Art Donovan DT: Billy Ray SmithLB: Ted HendricksLB: Stan WhiteLB: Mike CurtisCB: Lenny LylesCB: Bobby BoydFS: Rick VolkSS: Jerry LoganPK: Vandy P/KR: Harrison P: Rohn Stark

Lenny Moore over Edgerrin James? And no love for Dwight Freeney?

 

[dgreen]

The COLTS team:OffenseQB: Johnny UnitasRB: Lenny MooreFB: Alan AmecheWR: Raymond BerryWR: Marvin HarrisonTE: John MackeyOG: **** SzymanskiOG: Jim ParkerOT: Tarik GlennOT: Bob VogelC: Bill CurreyDefenseDE: Gino MarchettiDE: Bubba SmithDT: Art Donovan DT: Billy Ray SmithLB: Ted HendricksLB: Stan WhiteLB: Mike CurtisCB: Lenny LylesCB: Bobby BoydFS: Rick VolkSS: Jerry LoganPK: Vandy P/KR: Harrison P: Rohn Stark

Lenny Moore over Edgerrin James?

Easily.

 

[Iron Mike Tomczak]

Steelers

QB: Terry Bradshaw

RB: Franco Harris

FB: Rocky Bleier

WR: Lynn Swann

WR: John Stallworth

TE: Eric Green

LT: Jon Kolb

LG: Alan Faneca

C: Mike Webster

RG: Gary Mullins

RT: Tunch Ilkin

DE: L.C. Greenwood

DT: Joe Greene

DT: Ernie Stautner

DE: Dwight White

OLB: Jack Ham

MLB: Jack Lambert

OLB: Greg Lloyd

SS: Troy Polamalu

FS: Donnie Shell

CB: Rod Woodson

CB: Mel Blount

K: Gary Anderson

P: Craig Colquitt

Returner: Antwaan Randle El

Perfection.

I don't have time to think about the Raiders right now. I'm too busy picking apart your list at the moment. I'd put Hines Ward in over Swann, assuming this team has to play a 16-game season.

At FB, Bleier was all heart, granted, but you HAVE to have had a better option over the years. John Henry Johnson, perhaps? Lastly, besides Webster and Faneca, that O-line looks strangely average.

I actually forgot about John Henry Johnson... good call.Personally, I'd want Hines Ward in there a lot, but it's just so hard to bump the other 2 for him... he'd definetly be the #3 WR if I could choose that. But I'm sure just about every other all-time Steeler team would have Swann+Stallworth, so I figure I should just go with what the vast majority of my fellow Steeler fans say.

Agree about the Steeler o-line though... The other 3 were all pretty good players, but not really elite. But I couldn't really find any standout o-linemen other than Webster, faneca, and Dawson (who was a Center, the spot Webster already has) so I went with 70's linemen in 2 out of the other 3 spots just because they were on the dynasty Steelers, so hell they had to be at least pretty good, haha.

About the O Line youre forgetting the Late Great Justin Strylezik (sp). He was the man.

Also Coach : Chuck NollD Coordinator: Lebeau

Offensive Coordinator: Haslett (i thought he was sick even tho he never won a SB)

All time backup QBs : Mike Tomczak, Brister, Malone

 

[BigRed]

Lenny Moore over Edgerrin James? And no love for Dwight Freeney?

Yes and LMAO @ Freeney over the other 2.

 

[chris1969]

Once the interest in this thread dies down, I may put a poll up so everyone can vote on the best team.

 

[Jous]

Lenny Moore over Edgerrin James? And no love for Dwight Freeney?

Yes and LMAO @ Freeney over the other 2.

I'm not going to argue about Freeney because the other 2 are great...although I DO think you could make a case for Freeney over Smith.But I don't understand why you'd rather have Moore instead of Edge. I think even Lenny Moore himself would say you got to go with James on that one.

 

[Despyzer]

Once the interest in this thread dies down, I may put a poll up so everyone can vote on the best team.

You should place them in different categories though. It's a bit unfair for the all-time Packers, Bears, Giants, Steelers, Redskins, Eagles, or Colts to match up against the all-time Seahawks, Buccaneers, Panthers, Jaguars, and Texans. I'd suggest one bracket of the 12 teams that existed prior to 1960, one for the ten teams that were created in 1960 and 61, and then one for the ten most recent teams.

 

[chris1969]

Once the interest in this thread dies down, I may put a poll up so everyone can vote on the best team.

You should place them in different categories though. It's a bit unfair for the all-time Packers, Bears, Giants, Steelers, Redskins, Eagles, or Colts to match up against the all-time Seahawks, Buccaneers, Panthers, Jaguars, and Texans. I'd suggest one bracket of the 12 teams that existed prior to 1960, one for the ten teams that were created in 1960 and 61, and then one for the ten most recent teams.

Seems like a good idea. I need to break the polls up anyway.

 

[Kleck]

I'm not following. Because Jackson doesnt have many any videos on you tube, he's not talented? Seems like an odd way to measure...

I'm fairly confident there's at least one clip of a great catch from each of the current elite receivers in the NFL. Jackson doesn't have any.I didn't say he had no talent. I said he wasn't any better than Brian Blades. Further, I said he wasn't a special talent, and that I've never seen him make even one spectacular catch. Not one. Have you?

He's posted some spectacular numbers, but never a great catch that made my jaw drop. He's had the benefit of playing in a great offense and being surrounded by other solid talent.

Also, I fixed your post.

 

[chris1969]

I don't have a naked pics of Eva Longoria either, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good naked.

 

[Kleck]

I don't have a naked pics of Eva Longoria either, but that doesn't mean she doen't look good naked.

I assume that's directed at me. Have you ever seen Darrel Jackson make a phenomenal catch? A great open field run? Anything that would lead you to believe that he's a great receiver? Something other than a good receiver playing in a good system?Just for reference, I'm trying to think of him here as an individual talent, not a fantasy receiver. I agree he's been a great fantasy producer, especially when you consider his draft position in most fantasy drafts.

 

[chris1969]

I don't have a naked pics of Eva Longoria either, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good naked.

I assume that's directed at me. Have you ever seen Darrel Jackson make a phenomenal catch? A great open field run? Anything that would lead you to believe that he's a great receiver? Something other than a good receiver playing in a good system?Just for reference, I'm trying to think of him here as an individual talent, not a fantasy receiver. I agree he's been a great fantasy producer, especially when you consider his draft position in most fantasy drafts.

I agree, but I don't think his youtube videos have anything to do with it. Even if he did have a nice looking highlight film on youtube, so do a lot of HS kids that are hoping to make a college team as a walk on this year.

 

[Kleck]

I don't have a naked pics of Eva Longoria either, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good naked.

I assume that's directed at me. Have you ever seen Darrel Jackson make a phenomenal catch? A great open field run? Anything that would lead you to believe that he's a great receiver? Something other than a good receiver playing in a good system?Just for reference, I'm trying to think of him here as an individual talent, not a fantasy receiver. I agree he's been a great fantasy producer, especially when you consider his draft position in most fantasy drafts.

I agree, but I don't think his youtube videos have anything to do with it. Even if he did have a nice looking highlight film on youtube, so do a lot of HS kids that are hoping to make a college team as a walk on this year.

I don't know of any other way to prove my point. Me telling you is just an opinion. I would rather you made up our own mind by seeing some video clips. Doesn't the lack of any clips suggest that he hasn't made any spectacular plays? I agree it's not proof, but do you think I'm that far off base?

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't have a naked pics of Eva Longoria either, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good naked.

I assume that's directed at me. Have you ever seen Darrel Jackson make a phenomenal catch? A great open field run? Anything that would lead you to believe that he's a great receiver? Something other than a good receiver playing in a good system?Just for reference, I'm trying to think of him here as an individual talent, not a fantasy receiver. I agree he's been a great fantasy producer, especially when you consider his draft position in most fantasy drafts.

I agree, but I don't think his youtube videos have anything to do with it. Even if he did have a nice looking highlight film on youtube, so do a lot of HS kids that are hoping to make a college team as a walk on this year.

I don't know of any other way to prove my point. Me telling you is just an opinion. I would rather you made up our own mind by seeing some video clips. Doesn't the lack of any clips suggest that he hasn't made any spectacular plays? I agree it's not proof, but do you think I'm that far off base?

When did "spectacular catches" become the measuring stick for WRs?

 

[chris1969]

I don't have a naked pics of Eva Longoria either, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good naked.

I assume that's directed at me. Have you ever seen Darrel Jackson make a phenomenal catch? A great open field run? Anything that would lead you to believe that he's a great receiver? Something other than a good receiver playing in a good system?Just for reference, I'm trying to think of him here as an individual talent, not a fantasy receiver. I agree he's been a great fantasy producer, especially when you consider his draft position in most fantasy drafts.

I agree, but I don't think his youtube videos have anything to do with it. Even if he did have a nice looking highlight film on youtube, so do a lot of HS kids that are hoping to make a college team as a walk on this year.

I don't know of any other way to prove my point. Me telling you is just an opinion. I would rather you made up our own mind by seeing some video clips. Doesn't the lack of any clips suggest that he hasn't made any spectacular plays? I agree it's not proof, but do you think I'm that far off base?

No not off base, but a better idea would have been to just give your opinion.For instance....

Have you ever seen Darrel Jackson make a phenomenal catch? A great open field run? Anything that would lead you to believe that he's a great receiver? Something other than a good receiver playing in a good system?

Then let the other guy prove you wrong.Where did I hear that quote BTW?

 

[Kleck]

When did "spectacular catches" become the measuring stick for WRs?

This is an "all-time" team. We're talking about assembling the most talented players from each team. I would take Brian Blades over Darrell Jackson. I was explaining why. Blades was a solid possession receiver and produced on very bad teams. What is Jackson? A guy with a reputation for dropping passes. Yes, he's currently the best receiver on the team benefiting from playing in a very good offense. Other than that, I just don't see it.

 

[MarshallRob]

Ok homers can you put together a better team than my all-time Browns.pick 25 total playersCome up with a starting offense, defense, K, P, and return guy.This is what I came up with.....LT-Lou GrozaLG-Joe Delamelliure C-Lecharles BentleyRG-Gene HickersonRT-Mike McCormackQB-Otto GrahamRB-Jim BrownFB-Marion MotleyTE-Ozzie NewsomeWR-Paul WarfieldWR-Dante LavelliLE-Len FordDT-Bill WillisDT-Jerry SherkRE-Michael Dean PerrySLB-Clay MatthewsMLB-Andre DavisWLB-Chip BanksLCB-Frank MinnifieldRCB-Hanford DixonFS-Thom DardenSS-Eric TurnerP-Chris GardockiK-Lou GrozaRET-Bobby MitchellAnd since I got Groza playing 2 spots I'll take Leroy Kelly as my 25th guy

OK, a lot of posters have done some fine work listing all-time teams for their favorite franchises. But so far nobody's discussed how their team would fare against the all-time Cleveland Browns. You know, if you substitute Hall of Famer Frank Gatski for Bentley on that team, then you can say something about Cleveland's all-time offense that I don't believe you can say about any other team's all-time offense (or defense): they can field a Hall of Famer at all 11 spots (though Delamelliure's selection is a little dicey since his great years were with Buffalo not Cleveland). Therefore, you've got a great case that this is the greatest offense of all-time. Previously, I listed the Dolphins' all-time team so I'll take a look at that matchup.I believe Miami's got the best all-time offense of anybody other than Cleveland. And I would give them the edge in the passing game. Why? Reading about the 40's-50's Browns I get the impression that much of their success in the passing game was not due to superior talent but rather to running a more sophisticated offense than what other teams were using. They were the first team to use playbooks and game films and the first offense to use timed passing routes. Paul Brown, Graham, and Lavelli obviously wouldn't have that kind of advantage against players of later eras. But we know Marino, Clayton, Warfield and Keith Jackson would put up numbers in any era. And Marino and Clayton specifically did put up big numbers several times against most of the guys on that all-time Browns secondary. I don't think Cleveland could stop Miami's passing attack while conversely I do think the Browns would have trouble against Miami's great secondary. On the other hand, Miami's defensive front, especially the tackles, might have problems stopping Brown and Motley on the ground (and who wouldn't?). But the Dolphins should be able to score early and prevent Cleveland from grinding it out and playing a possession game (which I don't think was Paul Brown's style anyway). Miami takes this one.I think the all-time defense best suited to stop the Browns, and the best defense I've seen posted, is the Steelers D. That would be an epic matchup.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Darrell Jackson dropped 12 passes out of 130 targets in 2003, 11 out of 156 in 2004, 1 out of 55 in 2005, and 11 out of 112 in 2006.

I know I didn't provide any frame of reference, but those numbers are terrible. He drops 1 out of every 13 passes. His receptions/targets ratio is usually in the mid-50s, which isn't very good either.

Ok, here's a reference.

Coles has dropped 3/151, 7/132, 7/168 and 11/158 (from 2006 to 2003). That's one drop out of every 22 passes. (Coles has very good hands, so it may not be fair to compare it to him. Scan this list to look at some others.

 

[Kleck]

OK, a lot of posters have done some fine work listing all-time teams for their favorite franchises. But so far nobody's discussed how their team would fare against the all-time Cleveland Browns.

Seahawks get crushed. Nowhere near the wealth of talent assembled by the older franchises. The only players worthy of mentioning are Steve Largent, Walter Jones, Shaun Alexander, and Kenny Easley. Largent got the most noteriety, but IMO Easley was the most dominant player I ever saw in a Seahawks uniform.

 

[Pat Patriot]

here's a shot at The New England Patriots:

QB: Tom Brady (Steve Grogan)

RB: Curtis Martin (Jim Nance)

FB: Mosi Tatupu (Sam Gash)

WR: Stanley Morgan (Troy Brown)

WR: Gino Cappelletti (Irving Fryar)

TE: Ben Coates (Russ Francis, Marv Cook)

T: Bruce Armstrong, Leon Grey

G: John Hannah, Brian Holloway

DE: Richard Seymour

DE: Willie McGinnest

NT: Vince Wilfork

LB: Andre Tippett

LB: Nick Buoniconti

LB: Steve Nelson

LB: Ted Bruschi

CB: Michael Haynes

CB: Ty Law

S: Lawyer Milloy

S: Fred Marion

P: Rich Camarillo

K Adam Vinatieri

Coach: Bill Belichick

I'd put Russ Francis over Ben Coates. Brian Hollaway was a Tackle not a Guard. 2nd Guard would probably be Sam Adams or Ron Wooten. I dont think you listed a Center. Could be Pete Brock, Jon Morriss or Dr. Bill Lenkaitis. Julius Adams would have to be mentioned at DE but hard to argue with Seymour and McGinnest (although most consider McGinnest a LB). I would put Sugar Bear Hamilton at the Nose instead of Wilfork. I think Rodney Harrison has been with NE long enough to put him over Lawyer Milloy.The returner would be Raymond Clayborn for kickoffs and Mike Haynes for punts (Troy Brown a close 2nd).

 

[Jene Bramel]

Great Thread, I'll give a stab at my beloved Who-Deys

Coach: Paul Brown

QB - Ken Anderson (check back in a few years and it might be Palmer. Tough not to put Boomer here)

RB - James Brooks

FB - Pete Johnson (not enough time in for Lo Neal and Ickey to take this)

WR - Cris Collinsworth

WR - Chad Johnson (the Bengals have had seemingly a million great receivers)

TE - Bob Trumpy (even though he seems to kick the Bengals any time he's covering our games)

LT - Anthony Munoz (nothing need be said - best ever)

LG - Max Montoya

C - Bob Johnson

RG - Dave Lapham (played all 5 spots and certainly should go somewhere)

RT - Willie Anderson (took awhile for the league to give him his due, another easy choice)

DE - Coy Bacon (dug into the books for this one, to be honest, but had numbers that can't be denied)

DE - Ross Browner

DT - Eddie Edwards (putting him here lets me have him and Browner on the team, according to bengals.com he played both positions)

DT - Tim Krumrie (*sigh* what might have been w/o that awful injury in Supe XXIII)

LB - Reggie Williams

LB - James Francis

LB - Takeo Spikes (imagine if Marvin had him - instead he keeps on losing, this time in Buffalo)

CB - Ken Riley (look at his numbers - he should be in the Hall of Fame)

CB - Eric Thomas

FS - Tommy Casanova (again I'll take the word of others on this one)

SS - David Fulcher (huge part of that Supe XXIII team)

P - Lee Johnson (great punter on bad teams)

K - Shayne Graham (sentiment would say Breech, but Graham has been ridiculously good for us)

KR - Stanford Jennings (if for no other reason that the video of Wyche bobbing his head during Stanford's kickoff return in Supe XXIII)

WHO DEY!

-QG

Well done.If you're putting Chad Johnson into this mix, I think it's fair to consider Palmer. I'd have Anderson over Esiason, too. Bless you for putting James Brooks here instead of Corey Dillon. Better pass catcher, better blocker and ran every bit as hard. Shame on you for Cris Collinsworth, though. Isaac Curtis is the #1 WR on this team and I'd keep CJ over Collinsworth. Trumpy's a tough call over Danny Ross and Rodney Holman, but he's probably the right one. Would've loved to have seen Bruce "RoboKoz" Kozerski on the team, but I think your lines are perfect on both sides of the ball. I think I'd have made Jim LeClair my MLB and kept Williams and Spikes outside. The Snake is definitely the number one corner, but I may have added his running mate Lemar Parrish as the #2. ET is a solid choice though, as would've been Louis Breeden. IMO, I don't think you can put Graham in ahead of Breech or Doug Pelfrey. Hard to argue with Lee Johnson either, but Pat McInally would've been just as solid a call.

Great list. Sorry I missed this thread 'til now. It's a great read.

BTW, QG. If you're a true WhoDey man and want a good read on some of the old school Bengals, find a copy of this book. It had only a limited printing a couple of winters ago but you can find a used one around now and then. Profiles of every important Bengal over the years with some great anecdotes and pictures.

 

[chris1969]

Ok homers can you put together a better team than my all-time Browns.

pick 25 total players

Come up with a starting offense, defense, K, P, and return guy.

This is what I came up with.....

LT-Lou Groza

LG-Joe Delamelliure

C-Lecharles Bentley

RG-Gene Hickerson

RT-Mike McCormack

QB-Otto Graham

RB-Jim Brown

FB-Marion Motley

TE-Ozzie Newsome

WR-Paul Warfield

WR-Dante Lavelli

LE-Len Ford

DT-Bill Willis

DT-Jerry Sherk

RE-Michael Dean Perry

SLB-Clay Matthews

MLB-Andre Davis

WLB-Chip Banks

LCB-Frank Minnifield

RCB-Hanford Dixon

FS-Thom Darden

SS-Eric Turner

P-Chris Gardocki

K-Lou Groza

RET-Bobby Mitchell

And since I got Groza playing 2 spots I'll take Leroy Kelly as my 25th guy

OK, a lot of posters have done some fine work listing all-time teams for their favorite franchises. But so far nobody's discussed how their team would fare against the all-time Cleveland Browns. You know, if you substitute Hall of Famer Frank Gatski for Bentley on that team, then you can say something about Cleveland's all-time offense that I don't believe you can say about any other team's all-time offense (or defense): they can field a Hall of Famer at all 11 spots (though Delamelliure's selection is a little dicey since his great years were with Buffalo not Cleveland). Therefore, you've got a great case that this is the greatest offense of all-time. Previously, I listed the Dolphins' all-time team so I'll take a look at that matchup.I believe Miami's got the best all-time offense of anybody other than Cleveland. And I would give them the edge in the passing game. Why? Reading about the 40's-50's Browns I get the impression that much of their success in the passing game was not due to superior talent but rather to running a more sophisticated offense than what other teams were using. They were the first team to use playbooks and game films and the first offense to use timed passing routes. Paul Brown, Graham, and Lavelli obviously wouldn't have that kind of advantage against players of later eras. But we know Marino, Clayton, Warfield and Keith Jackson would put up numbers in any era. And Marino and Clayton specifically did put up big numbers several times against most of the guys on that all-time Browns secondary. I don't think Cleveland could stop Miami's passing attack while conversely I do think the Browns would have trouble against Miami's great secondary. On the other hand, Miami's defensive front, especially the tackles, might have problems stopping Brown and Motley on the ground (and who wouldn't?). But the Dolphins should be able to score early and prevent Cleveland from grinding it out and playing a possession game (which I don't think was Paul Brown's style anyway). Miami takes this one.

I think the all-time defense best suited to stop the Browns, and the best defense I've seen posted, is the Steelers D. That would be an epic matchup.

Wow! Fantastic post!!! I thought about Gatski, but I'm really suprised a non-Browns fan pulled that name out of the hat! I went with Bentley because I think he could be the best center ever if he has a full career. I also put Baab ahead of Gatski, but that one was really close. I was thinking that the Browns offense vs the Steelers defense was the ultimate matchup myself. I also agree that the Miami Passing game would be tough for anybody to stop. If I'm the coach of the all-time Browns, I think against All-Time Miami, my best hope is to play you like teams play Indy today. Play Ball control offense and hope for turnovers. We have to hope to score on almost every posession, because if you get too big of a lead, we won't have a chance. Again great post!

Darrell Jackson dropped 12 passes out of 130 targets in 2003, 11 out of 156 in 2004, 1 out of 55 in 2005, and 11 out of 112 in 2006.

I know I didn't provide any frame of reference, but those numbers are terrible. He drops 1 out of every 13 passes. His receptions/targets ratio is usually in the mid-50s, which isn't very good either.

Ok, here's a reference.

Coles has dropped 3/151, 7/132, 7/168 and 11/158 (from 2006 to 2003). That's one drop out of every 22 passes. (Coles has very good hands, so it may not be fair to compare it to him. Scan this list to look at some others.

There's your proof Shick!

 

[QuizGuy66]

Great Thread, I'll give a stab at my beloved Who-Deys

Coach: Paul Brown

QB - Ken Anderson (check back in a few years and it might be Palmer. Tough not to put Boomer here)

RB - James Brooks

FB - Pete Johnson (not enough time in for Lo Neal and Ickey to take this)

WR - Cris Collinsworth

WR - Chad Johnson (the Bengals have had seemingly a million great receivers)

TE - Bob Trumpy (even though he seems to kick the Bengals any time he's covering our games)

LT - Anthony Munoz (nothing need be said - best ever)

LG - Max Montoya

C - Bob Johnson

RG - Dave Lapham (played all 5 spots and certainly should go somewhere)

RT - Willie Anderson (took awhile for the league to give him his due, another easy choice)

DE - Coy Bacon (dug into the books for this one, to be honest, but had numbers that can't be denied)

DE - Ross Browner

DT - Eddie Edwards (putting him here lets me have him and Browner on the team, according to bengals.com he played both positions)

DT - Tim Krumrie (*sigh* what might have been w/o that awful injury in Supe XXIII)

LB - Reggie Williams

LB - James Francis

LB - Takeo Spikes (imagine if Marvin had him - instead he keeps on losing, this time in Buffalo)

CB - Ken Riley (look at his numbers - he should be in the Hall of Fame)

CB - Eric Thomas

FS - Tommy Casanova (again I'll take the word of others on this one)

SS - David Fulcher (huge part of that Supe XXIII team)

P - Lee Johnson (great punter on bad teams)

K - Shayne Graham (sentiment would say Breech, but Graham has been ridiculously good for us)

KR - Stanford Jennings (if for no other reason that the video of Wyche bobbing his head during Stanford's kickoff return in Supe XXIII)

WHO DEY!

-QG

Well done.If you're putting Chad Johnson into this mix, I think it's fair to consider Palmer. I'd have Anderson over Esiason, too. Bless you for putting James Brooks here instead of Corey Dillon. Better pass catcher, better blocker and ran every bit as hard. Shame on you for Cris Collinsworth, though. Isaac Curtis is the #1 WR on this team and I'd keep CJ over Collinsworth. Trumpy's a tough call over Danny Ross and Rodney Holman, but he's probably the right one. Would've loved to have seen Bruce "RoboKoz" Kozerski on the team, but I think your lines are perfect on both sides of the ball. I think I'd have made Jim LeClair my MLB and kept Williams and Spikes outside. The Snake is definitely the number one corner, but I may have added his running mate Lemar Parrish as the #2. ET is a solid choice though, as would've been Louis Breeden. IMO, I don't think you can put Graham in ahead of Breech or Doug Pelfrey. Hard to argue with Lee Johnson either, but Pat McInally would've been just as solid a call.

Great list. Sorry I missed this thread 'til now. It's a great read.

BTW, QG. If you're a true WhoDey man and want a good read on some of the old school Bengals, find a copy of this book. It had only a limited printing a couple of winters ago but you can find a used one around now and then. Profiles of every important Bengal over the years with some great anecdotes and pictures.

Thanks for the book tip as well as the kudos - I appreciate it. Pretty much all the guys you mentioned were on my radar so I made the choice I could - I certainly would defer to your knowledge of the players in the pre-striped helmet era. I just looked up the book on Amazon - $99.95 (okay just read it has some autographs as well)! you ain't kidding about limited availability I put Chad on but left Carson off based on the 3 extra years of Chad statistics available. Carson will fill that spot soon, I think, but I guess I don't wanna jinx him Boomer was really the first guy I followed from sun-up to sun-down on his career so it was hard to leave him out, but he just wasn't consistently excellent long enough.

Curtis is certainly a fair point - really for an all time Bengal team you need 3-receiver sets anyway, don't you? Just think a guy like Pickens doesn't even get a whiff of this list!

I felt almost spiteful leaving Leon, er Corey off but I remember how great Brooks was for us (and how unheralded during the Ickey craze). Boy it'd be fun to have an Ickey/Pete Johnson type of fullback now - but that breed is virtually gone from the NFL. I did not realize Pete was #20 all time in rush TDs!

The list woulda been a farce w/o Takeo, even I couldn't do that

TE is another area where it was tough, esp. with Ross and Holman there. Can there be a 3 WR, 3 TE set?

Pelfrey's fair certainly, either way I think it'll Shayne soon enough.

McInally was tough to keep off - dude was the first with a perfect score of 50 on the NFL standard test.

This season's ending notwithstanding btw, Brad St. Louis would be the long snapper - he's been solid for a number of years now.

For some reason I can't insert the hyper link, but the Bengals blog had another opinion here: http://blogs.bengalszone.com/?p=646

Anyhow, thanks

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Hmm, it'd be great if somebody had a simulator to run these games on

-QG

 

[Jene Bramel]

Great Thread, I'll give a stab at my beloved Who-Deys

Coach: Paul Brown

QB - Ken Anderson (check back in a few years and it might be Palmer. Tough not to put Boomer here)

RB - James Brooks

FB - Pete Johnson (not enough time in for Lo Neal and Ickey to take this)

WR - Cris Collinsworth

WR - Chad Johnson (the Bengals have had seemingly a million great receivers)

TE - Bob Trumpy (even though he seems to kick the Bengals any time he's covering our games)

LT - Anthony Munoz (nothing need be said - best ever)

LG - Max Montoya

C - Bob Johnson

RG - Dave Lapham (played all 5 spots and certainly should go somewhere)

RT - Willie Anderson (took awhile for the league to give him his due, another easy choice)

DE - Coy Bacon (dug into the books for this one, to be honest, but had numbers that can't be denied)

DE - Ross Browner

DT - Eddie Edwards (putting him here lets me have him and Browner on the team, according to bengals.com he played both positions)

DT - Tim Krumrie (*sigh* what might have been w/o that awful injury in Supe XXIII)

LB - Reggie Williams

LB - James Francis

LB - Takeo Spikes (imagine if Marvin had him - instead he keeps on losing, this time in Buffalo)

CB - Ken Riley (look at his numbers - he should be in the Hall of Fame)

CB - Eric Thomas

FS - Tommy Casanova (again I'll take the word of others on this one)

SS - David Fulcher (huge part of that Supe XXIII team)

P - Lee Johnson (great punter on bad teams)

K - Shayne Graham (sentiment would say Breech, but Graham has been ridiculously good for us)

KR - Stanford Jennings (if for no other reason that the video of Wyche bobbing his head during Stanford's kickoff return in Supe XXIII)

WHO DEY!

-QG

Well done.If you're putting Chad Johnson into this mix, I think it's fair to consider Palmer. I'd have Anderson over Esiason, too. Bless you for putting James Brooks here instead of Corey Dillon. Better pass catcher, better blocker and ran every bit as hard. Shame on you for Cris Collinsworth, though. Isaac Curtis is the #1 WR on this team and I'd keep CJ over Collinsworth. Trumpy's a tough call over Danny Ross and Rodney Holman, but he's probably the right one. Would've loved to have seen Bruce "RoboKoz" Kozerski on the team, but I think your lines are perfect on both sides of the ball. I think I'd have made Jim LeClair my MLB and kept Williams and Spikes outside. The Snake is definitely the number one corner, but I may have added his running mate Lemar Parrish as the #2. ET is a solid choice though, as would've been Louis Breeden. IMO, I don't think you can put Graham in ahead of Breech or Doug Pelfrey. Hard to argue with Lee Johnson either, but Pat McInally would've been just as solid a call.

Great list. Sorry I missed this thread 'til now. It's a great read.

BTW, QG. If you're a true WhoDey man and want a good read on some of the old school Bengals, find a copy of this book. It had only a limited printing a couple of winters ago but you can find a used one around now and then. Profiles of every important Bengal over the years with some great anecdotes and pictures.

Thanks for the book tip as well as the kudos - I appreciate it. Pretty much all the guys you mentioned were on my radar so I made the choice I could - I certainly would defer to your knowledge of the players in the pre-striped helmet era. I just looked up the book on Amazon - $99.95 (okay just read it has some autographs as well)! you ain't kidding about limited availability I put Chad on but left Carson off based on the 3 extra years of Chad statistics available. Carson will fill that spot soon, I think, but I guess I don't wanna jinx him Boomer was really the first guy I followed from sun-up to sun-down on his career so it was hard to leave him out, but he just wasn't consistently excellent long enough.

Curtis is certainly a fair point - really for an all time Bengal team you need 3-receiver sets anyway, don't you? Just think a guy like Pickens doesn't even get a whiff of this list!

I felt almost spiteful leaving Leon, er Corey off but I remember how great Brooks was for us (and how unheralded during the Ickey craze). Boy it'd be fun to have an Ickey/Pete Johnson type of fullback now - but that breed is virtually gone from the NFL. I did not realize Pete was #20 all time in rush TDs!

The list woulda been a farce w/o Takeo, even I couldn't do that

TE is another area where it was tough, esp. with Ross and Holman there. Can there be a 3 WR, 3 TE set?

Pelfrey's fair certainly, either way I think it'll Shayne soon enough.

McInally was tough to keep off - dude was the first with a perfect score of 50 on the NFL standard test.

This season's ending notwithstanding btw, Brad St. Louis would be the long snapper - he's been solid for a number of years now.

For some reason I can't insert the hyper link, but the Bengals blog had another opinion here: http://blogs.bengalszone.com/?p=646

Anyhow, thanks

-QG

If you live in Southern Ohio, you may be able to find that book in a local bookstore. We're pretty much in agreement with the team in the link you posted. Only issue I'd have with him is Reggie Williams at MLB. No way. Which reminds me, I'd rather have Bill Bergey at MLB than anyone else we've mentioned, but I think of him as an Eagle. Takeo really wasn't around much longer, though. So maybe it should go Williams/Bergey/Spikes.

 

[Bonzai]

LT - Anthony Munoz (nothing need be said - best ever)LG - Max MontoyaC - Bob JohnsonRG - Dave Lapham (played all 5 spots and certainly should go somewhere)RT - Willie Anderson (took awhile for the league to give him his due, another easy choice)

thats an amazing OL.

 

[BigRed]

I'm not going to argue about Freeney because the other 2 are great...although I DO think you could make a case for Freeney over Smith.

No, you can't even come close, honest.

But I don't understand why you'd rather have Moore instead of Edge. I think even Lenny Moore himself would say you got to go with James on that one.

This is much more debatable IMO. Admittedly tough call. Not to take away from EJ being a great back, but IMO he benefitted more from Manning and co. keeping Ds honest than Moore did in his day. Also Moore had more of a big-play making ability than EJ. EJ was a better blocker though. As for going up against the CLE team, I think it'd be some serious heavyweight fights there. If I could include just one shut-down corner for the Colts, I'd give it to them, but as it stands I say it's about a 50/50 split.

 

[turkishkamel]

Good work.

I started to do this for the Lions but...

It ended up being a list comprised of players that just about everyone would have no idea who they were unless they really liked the Lions or football played in the 40's and 50's.

Add Christiansen (S-HOF) and Yale Lary (S-HOF) to the defensive backfield. Remove Bly and Blades. Move Night Train to his slot at Corner with Barney. Lary also won the NFL punting crown a few times.

Creekmur (G-T HOF) can be added to the line. He was primarily a Guard.

Wojciechowicz (LB-HOF) needs to be added.

Dutch Clark (QB/TB-HOF) needs to be somewhere on the team. He was one of the last great triple threat QB in the pre war era.

nice additions. i have to admit i got a little lazy toward the end. maybe bly doesnt deserve to be on there but he's one of my all time favs (who i hear asked for a trade ). i meant to add yary as the punter who also played saftey. lane was late in his career and would be a nice saftey on the all time team, thus sneaking bly on. although dutch clark gets no love because doak walker and billy sims already sneak on suspiciously. Wojciechowicz could also play center.

Detroit Lions

Coach: Buddy Parker

OC: Mike Martz

QB: Bobby Layne

RB: Barry Sanders, Billy Sims

FB: Corey Schlesinger

WR: Herman Moore

WR: Roy Williams

TE: Charlie Sanders

OT: Lomas Brown, John Gordy

OG: Harley Sewell, Lou Creekmur

C: Kevin Glover

DE: Robert Porcher, Al Baker

DT: Shaun Rogers, Alex Karras, Luther Ellis

LB: Chris Spielman, Wayner Walker, Alex Wojciechowicz, Joe Schmidt

CB: **** Lane, Lem Barney

S: Bennie Blades, Jack Christiensen

K: Jason Hanson

P: Yale Lary

Ret: Mel Gray

ST: Doak Walker (he played everywhere)

ETA: Maybe John Henry Johnson at FB. He won a title with Detroit in 57.

 

[Horrorshow]

Once the interest in this thread dies down, I may put a poll up so everyone can vote on the best team.

 

[davidwb]

the Baltimore team (no Indy players allowed):

lol psst - I know he split time but Lenny Moore was a RB FYI.

Moore was a RB for much of his career, but played flanker a good portion toward the end...and even when he was a RB, his primary skill was catching and running after the catch. For a Baltimore only team, it would make sense to put Moore at flanker and start either Jamal or Tom Matte at RB. (and Matte could be the #3 QB!).

 

[Sea Bass]

The COLTS team:OffenseQB: Johnny UnitasRB: Lenny MooreFB: Alan AmecheWR: Raymond BerryWR: Marvin HarrisonTE: John MackeyOG: **** SzymanskiOG: Jim ParkerOT: Tarik GlennOT: Bob VogelC: Bill CurreyDefenseDE: Gino MarchettiDE: Bubba SmithDT: Art Donovan DT: Billy Ray SmithLB: Ted HendricksLB: Stan WhiteLB: Mike CurtisCB: Lenny LylesCB: Bobby BoydFS: Rick VolkSS: Jerry LoganPK: Vandy P/KR: Harrison P: Rohn Stark

Lenny Moore over Edgerrin James? And no love for Dwight Freeney?

Marchetti and Bubba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Freeney. Buy a history book kid.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

no eagles yet?

 

[Obie Wan]

Buffalo Bills:Coach: Marv LevyQB-Jim KellyRB-Thurman ThomasFB- Sam Gash WR- Andre ReedWR -Jerry Butler TE- Pete Metzelaars T's- Howard Ballord, Joe DevlinG's- Joe Delamielleure, Jim RitcherC- Kent HullDE's - Bruce Smith, Ron McDoleDT- Fred Smerlas, Tom SestakLB - Jim Haslett LB - Darrel TaileyLB - Mike StrattonCB- Butch ByrdCB- Nate ClementsSS - Steve FreemanFS- Henry JonesK - Steve ChristieP - Brian MoormanST- Steve Tasker

RB- Thurman is in the Hall, but OJ was betterFB- Cookie Gilcrist was a beast, Sam Gash could only blockWR-Hall of Famer James Lofton over Jerry Butler OG- Joe Ritcher over Billy Shaw - not a chanceOLB -Cornelius Bennett over TalleyLB Chris Speilman over HaslettCB- Robert James over Butch ByrdSS- Henry Jones was the SSFS-George Saimes

 

[Despyzer]

WR-Hall of Famer James Lofton over Jerry Butler

Few would characterize Lofton as a Bill seeing he only spent four of his seventeen years in that uniform, including two seasons where he only caught a total of 41 balls. It would be tough to say much of his HOF career was built on his resume in Buffalo. Butler was the right call.

 

[Liquid Tension]

OAKLAND RAIDERS

Coach - John Madden

QB - Ken Stabler

FB - Mark Van Eaghen

RB - Marcus Allen

WR - Fred Bilitnikoff

WR - Tim Brown

TE - Dave Casper

LT - Art Shell

LG - Gene Upshaw

C - Jim Otto

RG - Steve Wisniewski

RT - Henry Lawrence

DL - Ben Davidson

DL - Tom Keating

DL - Otis Sistrunk

DL - Howie Long

LB - Ted Hendricks

LB - Matt Millin

LB - Rod Martin

CB - Willie Brown

CB - Mike Haynes

SS - George Atkinson

FS - Jack Tatum

PK - George Blanda

P - Ray Guy

Punt returner - Tim Brown

Kick returner - Chris Carr (slightly over Desmond Howard & Rocket Ismail)

*Just missing the cut*

- John Matuszak

- Lester Hayes

- Dave Dalby

- Jim Plunkett

- Todd Christensen

- Cliff Branch

- Pete Banazak

- Phil Villapiano

- Todd Marinovich

I'd like to thank the OP for depressing the HELL out of me.

Marcus (or maybe even Bo) would go for about 2,300 behind that line. And I love 2 shutdown corners with 2 headhunting safeties.

Bo, was clearly the best but ghis career was not nearly as good as Allens. If you are playing for one year alone yes, but I think you are talking about best careers at positions.I would have Cliff Branch over Tim Brown though.

 

[Liquid Tension]

New York Football Giants

Phil Simms

Tiki Barber

Frank Gifford

Mark Bavaro

Homer Jones

Del Shofner

Mel Hein

Rosey Brown

Cal Hubbard

Ray Wietecha

Jack Stroud

Andy Robustelli

Jim Katcavage

Michael Strahan

Lawrence Taylor

Harry Carson

Sam Huff

Jessie Armstead Carl Banks

Emlen Tunnell

Jimmy Patton

Spider Lockhart

Erich Barnes

Sean Landeta

Pete Gogolak

David Meggett

Edit for Coaches: HC - Steve Owen, OC - Vince Lombardi, DC - Tom Landry

Close but no cigar...Conerly, Tarkenton, Tittle, Leemans, Strong, Webster, Morrison, Hampton, Morris, Tucker, Shockey, Toomer, Rote, Oates, Henry, Weinmeister, Grier, Marshall, Martin, Van Pelt, Banks, Lynch, Haynes, Williams, Daluiso, Chandler...

Fixed above. Carl Banks played better than Taylor for some years. I have still YET to see any linebacker play for a 3 year stretch like he did where almost every time he made contact with a RB he didn't give an inch of extra yards. It was truly amazing. You look at guys like Urlacher and Zack Thomas (I know they play inside) and when they tackle players they are usually knocked back a yard or so. Banks was simply amazing. I still think he is a top 3 all time run stopping linebacker.I also would have Mark Collins as a CB. Very good pass defender and an excellent run stopper/tackler.

 

[Liquid Tension]

MIAMI DOLPHINSQB: Dan MarinoFB: Larry CsonkaRB: Mercury MorrisOT: Richmond Webb, Norm EvansOG: Larry Little, Bob KuechenbergC: Dwight StephensonWR: Paul Warfield, Mark ClaytonTE: Keith JacksonDE: Jason Taylor, Bill StanfillDT: Bob Baumhower, Doug BettersOLB: Zach Thomas, John OfferdahlMLB: Nick BuonicontiCB: Sam Madison, Patrick SurtainS: Jake Scott, **** AndersonK: Garo YepremianP: Reggie RobyCoach: Don ShulaWent with Mercury Morris over Ricky Williams. Morris only had a few good years before he hurt his neck but for 1972-1973 he ran for almost 2000 yards, scored 22 TD's, and had a 5.8 YPC. His speed was the perfect compliment to Csonka's power. Hard to see Ricky getting along with Csonka. Yepremian was on the NFL's All-70's team so he beats out Stoynavich and Mare. Plus, "he keeck a touchdown". Clearly this team has most of its stars on offense. The defensive line might be this team's weak spot but Betters was defensive player of the year in 1983 and Baumhower and Stanfill made 5 Pro Bowls. Some people think Stanfill was headed for the Hall of Fame before his career ended early due to a spinal injury.It's hard to see anyone stopping this offense. The offensive line is probably stronger up the middle than anyone else's all-time team. You've got power and speed in the backfield. And maybe the greatest deep passing game ever if they need to throw the ball.

I always felt Duper was better than Clayton. The overall numbers were in favor of Clayton but defenses leaned Dupers way and Duper had better hands and speed.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I'm sure Ive got some holes, but let's give it a go:New York JetsQB: Joe NamathRB: Curtis MartinFB: Richie AndersonWR1: Don MaynardWR2: Wesley WalkerTE: Mickey ShulerLT: Jumbo ElliotLG: Pete KendallC: Kevin MawaeRG: ?RT: Karim McKenzieDE: John AbrahamDT: Marty LyonsDT: Abdul Salaam (Jason Ferguson?)DE: Mark GastineuLB: Jonathan VilmaLB: Mo LewisLB: Kyle CliftonCB: Aaron GlennCB: James HastyFS: Kerry Rhodes (Erik McMillan?)SS: Victor GreenK: Pat LeahyP: Tom Tupa

where's Joe Klecko?

The best Jet of all time in my opinion was Joe Klecko

 

[Liquid Tension]

I don't have a naked pics of Eva Longoria either, but that doesn't mean she doesn't look good naked.

I assume that's directed at me. Have you ever seen Darrel Jackson make a phenomenal catch? A great open field run? Anything that would lead you to believe that he's a great receiver? Something other than a good receiver playing in a good system?Just for reference, I'm trying to think of him here as an individual talent, not a fantasy receiver. I agree he's been a great fantasy producer, especially when you consider his draft position in most fantasy drafts.

I agree, but I don't think his youtube videos have anything to do with it. Even if he did have a nice looking highlight film on youtube, so do a lot of HS kids that are hoping to make a college team as a walk on this year.

I don't know of any other way to prove my point. Me telling you is just an opinion. I would rather you made up our own mind by seeing some video clips. Doesn't the lack of any clips suggest that he hasn't made any spectacular plays? I agree it's not proof, but do you think I'm that far off base?

Not to step in here, but YouTube has no bearing on the discussion. The question is about Blades (not great receiver), and D-Jax, (also not a great receiver) and who was a better Seahawk. Unfortunately for Hawk fans, you don't have to be a great receiver to be the best Seahawk receiver.

 

[Liquid Tension]

OAKLAND RAIDERS

Coach - John Madden

QB - Ken Stabler

FB - Mark Van Eaghen

RB - Marcus Allen

WR - Fred Bilitnikoff

WR - Tim Brown

TE - Dave Casper

LT - Art Shell

LG - Gene Upshaw

C - Jim Otto

RG - Steve Wisniewski

RT - Henry Lawrence

DL - Ben Davidson

DL - Tom Keating

DL - Otis Sistrunk

DL - Howie Long

LB - Ted Hendricks

LB - Matt Millin

LB - Rod Martin

CB - Willie Brown

CB - Mike Haynes

SS - George Atkinson

FS - Jack Tatum

PK - George Blanda

P - Ray Guy

Punt returner - Tim Brown

Kick returner - Chris Carr (slightly over Desmond Howard & Rocket Ismail)

*Just missing the cut*

- John Matuszak

- Lester Hayes

- Dave Dalby

- Jim Plunkett

- Todd Christensen

- Cliff Branch

- Pete Banazak

- Phil Villapiano

- Todd Marinovich

I'd like to thank the OP for depressing the HELL out of me.

Marcus (or maybe even Bo) would go for about 2,300 behind that line. And I love 2 shutdown corners with 2 headhunting safeties.

Bo, was clearly the best but ghis career was not nearly as good as Allens. If you are playing for one year alone yes, but I think you are talking about best careers at positions.I would have Cliff Branch over Tim Brown though.

I need to take back my post. I always felt Branch was a better receiver than Tim Brown, but in looking at the numbers in similar years Tim Brown blew Branch away. Unless I can see a huge amount of drops disparity and a ton less targets, I have to give TB the nod.