Can't blame that one on Manning (1 Viewer)

[gradin123]

I believe Peyton is one of the best QB's ever but he has melted down a few times in the postseason. Tonight though I think he was the only reason Indy was in it.

The key play though tonight besides the borderline holding call in overtime was the 3rd and 2 for Indy just before the 2 minute warning. First down and Indy wins, PERIOD! They can kneel down if they get it.

The play call for Indy on that play was bizarre. 2 Wr 2 Te set with one back. And you put the back in motion when you know SD is going to blitz? Leave no protection in the backfield?

You should either spread out the Defense with a 4 wr set and do a quick dumpoff to Harrison or Wayne or you go Max protect and try for a dump off to Clark or Gonzalez over the middle.

But the play they called was bizarre. It looked like Peyton's first option was Addai and it was a slow developing play. Whatever play you call there it should have been quick hitting

I personally think it would have been easier to pass on the 2nd and 4 to begin with and if they had they probably would have won it right there.

I'm not sure it was a Manning audible of the 3rd down and 2 play or if it was the designed play from the get go. Either way it was awful though. That was the biggest offensive play of the Colts season and they should have used their best play in their playbook. Not that garbage play that almost looked like a gadget play. Addai isn't a WR and shouldn't be used as one on the biggest play of the year.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

That play cost them the game, plain and simple.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I believe Peyton is one of the best QB's ever but he has melted down a few times in the postseason. Tonight though I think he was the only reason Indy was in it.

The key play though tonight besides the borderline holding call in overtime was the 3rd and 2 for Indy just before the 2 minute warning. First down and Indy wins, PERIOD! They can kneel down if they get it.

The play call for Indy on that play was bizarre. 2 Wr 2 Te set with one back. And you put the back in motion when you know SD is going to blitz? Leave no protection in the backfield?

You should either spread out the Defense with a 4 wr set and do a quick dumpoff to Harrison or Wayne or you go Max protect and try for a dump off to Clark or Gonzalez over the middle.

But the play they called was bizarre. It looked like Peyton's first option was Addai and it was a slow developing play. Whatever play you call there it should have been quick hitting

I personally think it would have been easier to pass on the 2nd and 4 to begin with and if they had they probably would have won it right there.

I'm not sure it was a Manning audible of the 3rd down and 2 play or if it was the designed play from the get go. Either way it was awful though.

I said this at the time as soon as the back went in motion..."this is stupid to remove the threat of the run."I think running there was a real option and in fact I think they should have lined up and run right. I know they hadn't been too successful on short yardage, but they seemed to be winning the line a little better toward the end. Either way, if you are going to throw the play has to be a play action pass IMO.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I said this at the time as soon as the back went in motion..."this is stupid to remove the threat of the run."I think running there was a real option and in fact I think they should have lined up and run right. I know they hadn't been too successful on short yardage, but they seemed to be winning the line a little better toward the end. Either way, if you are going to throw the play has to be a play action pass IMO.

I said the exact same thing. Stupid to go into the shotgun like that.

 

[dawrecker]

I believe Peyton is one of the best QB's ever but he has melted down a few times in the postseason. Tonight though I think he was the only reason Indy was in it.

The key play though tonight besides the borderline holding call in overtime was the 3rd and 2 for Indy just before the 2 minute warning. First down and Indy wins, PERIOD! They can kneel down if they get it.

The play call for Indy on that play was bizarre. 2 Wr 2 Te set with one back. And you put the back in motion when you know SD is going to blitz? Leave no protection in the backfield?

You should either spread out the Defense with a 4 wr set and do a quick dumpoff to Harrison or Wayne or you go Max protect and try for a dump off to Clark or Gonzalez over the middle.

But the play they called was bizarre. It looked like Peyton's first option was Addai and it was a slow developing play. Whatever play you call there it should have been quick hitting

I personally think it would have been easier to pass on the 2nd and 4 to begin with and if they had they probably would have won it right there.

I'm not sure it was a Manning audible of the 3rd down and 2 play or if it was the designed play from the get go. Either way it was awful though.

I agree with your comment more about the second down play. That play should have been a pass all the way. The colts run game was abysmal all season long why they even thought they had a chance to convert there was insane in and of itself then makes the third down pass predictable. Also terrible coaching by Dungy by not using any timeouts to save some time for a last minute drive. Dungy will probably escape blame for it though, because he seems to most of the time.

 

[gradin123]

Also terrible coaching by Dungy by not using any timeouts to save some time for a last minute drive. Dungy will probably escape blame for it though, because he seems to most of the time.

I disagree with the Timeouts thing. If you use your time outs you give SD a better shot to go for the TD in regulation and beat you. One of the players on the field should have been made aware that they should call a time out immediately if SD was short on that 3rd down play. It cost the Colts about 5 or 6 seconds. But Indy got a bad kickoff return anyways so the was probably irrelevant. Special teams were obviously a huge factor in the game as well. That punter for Sd was insane and the return game for Indy was non-existent on kickoffs.

 

[Tau837]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.

By the same token that Manning deserves the MVP for leading his team to 12 regular season wins, despite playing for a great coaching staff and with a very good defense, he deserves a good amount of blame for this loss.

 

[DropKick]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.By the same token that Manning deserves the MVP for leading his team to 12 regular season wins, despite playing for a great coaching staff and with a very good defense, he deserves a good amount of blame for this loss.

I'm tired of all the Manning ball washing but I think you really have too much of a vendetta for Peyton at this point.I think the Colt's bigger systemic problem is they're too one dimensional. Addai/Rhodes were insignificant.

 

[Ghost Rider]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.

They were unprepared BECAUSE of Manning's quick-thinking. You can call it a fluke play, but I call it a heads-up play by Manning.Also, in regulation, SD's three scoring drives totaled 119 yards. Indy's three scoring drives totaled 214 yards.

 

[Tau837]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.By the same token that Manning deserves the MVP for leading his team to 12 regular season wins, despite playing for a great coaching staff and with a very good defense, he deserves a good amount of blame for this loss.

I'm tired of all the Manning ball washing but I think you really have too much of a vendetta for Peyton at this point.I think the Colt's bigger systemic problem is they're too one dimensional. Addai/Rhodes were insignificant.

Vendetta?

 

[gradin123]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.By the same token that Manning deserves the MVP for leading his team to 12 regular season wins, despite playing for a great coaching staff and with a very good defense, he deserves a good amount of blame for this loss.

That isn't fair at all. You are obviously are a Manning hater, he wasn't perfect for sure but that quick thinking on the Wayne TD was all Manning and almost was the difference in the game. Indy had no run game at all to keep SD honest. The Indy D played alright tonight but the coaching for Indy tonight was far from great. Their special teams were awful. Besides the kickoff where Kaeding fell down I think they started nearly every drive inside their own 20. Their kickoff returns were a joke. Kaeding was only getting them to the 5 abut Indy never got a return at all.

 

[dawrecker]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.By the same token that Manning deserves the MVP for leading his team to 12 regular season wins, despite playing for a great coaching staff and with a very good defense, he deserves a good amount of blame for this loss.

I'm tired of all the Manning ball washing but I think you really have too much of a vendetta for Peyton at this point.I think the Colt's bigger systemic problem is they're too one dimensional. Addai/Rhodes were insignificant.

Vendetta?

I would agree with the quote above, it isnt a fluke play if it is something the colts have worked on all season and for several seasons. If you watch them more than once a year you would know they work on it alot. Manning was over 300 yards, no int's and he spent most of the game starting inside the 20 and plenty inside the 10. The OL was blown up and called for 3 penalties in the 4th quarter that put the Colts in 2nd and 3rd and long for a couple of the big drives, Addai can't break a first down that would seal the game and finished with 44 yards on 16 carries for a great 3yard per carry average. Yeah, it is all Mannings fault. Those are all pretty much the reasons he should have been MVP, he was able to will the team to 12 wins despite everything else.

 

[Tau837]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.

They were unprepared BECAUSE of Manning's quick-thinking. You can call it a fluke play, but I call it a heads-up play by Manning.Also, in regulation, SD's three scoring drives totaled 119 yards. Indy's three scoring drives totaled 214 yards.

So? If we're going to assign blame for Indy's loss, are you saying Manning deserves none? Did you expect Indy to score only 17 points in this game? That was the point of my post.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Doesn't Peyton go into every huddle with 2 or 3 possible plays for him to pick from via some sort of audible system?

 

[Tau837]

You guys are funny. I am no Manning hater. I am a Manning fan. I think he's one of the best of all time.

But you can't have it both ways. Either he deserves disproportionate credit for wins and losses or he doesn't. Everyone wants to give him disproportionate credit for the Colts' 12-4 regular season record, while apparently ignoring that the Colts had a very good defense and coaching staff. Fine. Then he deserves to take blame when they lose.

San Diego had the #31 pass defense this season. Are you guys really saying you expected Manning to have only 1 TD today? And the Colts' offense to score only 17 points today?

Sure, Manning had 310 yards, but he also attempted 42 passes. The Colts were 6/15 on 3rd down and 0/1 on 4th down. Manning definitely deserves some blame for those numbers.

 

[ffball-novice]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.By the same token that Manning deserves the MVP for leading his team to 12 regular season wins, despite playing for a great coaching staff and with a very good defense, he deserves a good amount of blame for this loss.

That isn't fair at all. You are obviously are a Manning hater, he wasn't perfect for sure but that quick thinking on the Wayne TD was all Manning and almost was the difference in the game. Indy had no run game at all to keep SD honest. The Indy played alright tonight but the coaching for Indy tonight was far from great. Their special teams were awful. Besides the kickoff where Kaeding fell down I think they started nearly every drive inside their own 20. Their kickoff returns were a joke. Kaeding was only getting them to the 5 abut Indy never got a return at all.

I was going to respond about the same. He made the same comment in the game thread. Checked NFl.com for some facts12 drives he saysAverage starting position about the 15 yard line (math done in head may be off slightly.Best starting position 33 yard line.5 drives started 10 yard line or inside .5 more started on 19 or 20 or 21 yard line.

 

[Tau837]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.By the same token that Manning deserves the MVP for leading his team to 12 regular season wins, despite playing for a great coaching staff and with a very good defense, he deserves a good amount of blame for this loss.

That isn't fair at all. You are obviously are a Manning hater, he wasn't perfect for sure but that quick thinking on the Wayne TD was all Manning and almost was the difference in the game. Indy had no run game at all to keep SD honest. The Indy played alright tonight but the coaching for Indy tonight was far from great. Their special teams were awful. Besides the kickoff where Kaeding fell down I think they started nearly every drive inside their own 20. Their kickoff returns were a joke. Kaeding was only getting them to the 5 abut Indy never got a return at all.

I was going to respond about the same. He made the same comment in the game thread. Checked NFl.com for some facts12 drives he saysAverage starting position about the 15 yard line (math done in head may be off slightly.Best starting position 33 yard line.5 drives started 10 yard line or inside .5 more started on 19 or 20 or 21 yard line.

So? See my previous post.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.

They were unprepared BECAUSE of Manning's quick-thinking. You can call it a fluke play, but I call it a heads-up play by Manning.Also, in regulation, SD's three scoring drives totaled 119 yards. Indy's three scoring drives totaled 214 yards.

Mike Scifers was the MVP of this game, and his performance explains the greater length of the scoring drives and the fewer points scored.

 

[dawrecker]

You guys are funny. I am no Manning hater. I am a Manning fan. I think he's one of the best of all time.But you can't have it both ways. Either he deserves disproportionate credit for wins and losses or he doesn't. Everyone wants to give him disproportionate credit for the Colts' 12-4 regular season record, while apparently ignoring that the Colts had a very good defense and coaching staff. Fine. Then he deserves to take blame when they lose.San Diego had the #31 pass defense this season. Are you guys really saying you expected Manning to have only 1 TD today? And the Colts' offense to score only 17 points today?Sure, Manning had 310 yards, but he also attempted 42 passes. The Colts were 6/15 on 3rd down and 0/1 on 4th down. Manning definitely deserves some blame for those numbers.

Sorry dude you lost me and all credibility at "the colts had a very good defense" they ended up with only 135 drives on the season almost 2.5 games worth less of drives than the league average of 165 because the defense could never get off the field, they were worst in the league on stopping third downs and tackled the way they did today all season. I will give Manning some blame, he should have put more points up, but Brady didn't score much in the super bowl last year either, sometimes thing break that way. I would have expected the colts to scored about 24 points this game. They came up short of that by 7 and if they got there they would have won the game. But I wouldn't have expected them to start every single drive with terrible field position either. Offenses play differently inside the 10, and unfortunately the run game was so terrible they couldn't play the way a normal team would inside the 10. Oh well, not worth spending much more on this argument if a reply is going to include something as moronic as the colts having a very good defense, but thanks for a good laugh.

 

[Ghost Rider]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.

They were unprepared BECAUSE of Manning's quick-thinking. You can call it a fluke play, but I call it a heads-up play by Manning.Also, in regulation, SD's three scoring drives totaled 119 yards. Indy's three scoring drives totaled 214 yards.

So? If we're going to assign blame for Indy's loss, are you saying Manning deserves none? Did you expect Indy to score only 17 points in this game? That was the point of my post.

That is fine, and, yes, there is plenty of blame to go around, but saying that the Wayne TD was a fluke play against an unprepared defense is not fair. It is basically giving no credit to the Colts and/or Manning for the TD, when in reality all credit must go to the Manning for that one. The SD defense is not the first one Manning caught napping like that, and it won't be the last.

Mike Scifers was the MVP of this game, and his performance explains the greater length of the scoring drives and the fewer points scored.

 

[gradin123]

Mike Scifers was the MVP of this game, and his performance explains the greater length of the scoring drives and the fewer points scored.

He was definitely great and the Indy punter wasn't. But I was thinking after the 3rd punt that Indy should start going all out for a block on SD punts. They might not have got it but at least it would have put some pressure on the Sd punter to kick quicker and maybe it would have helped. It is not like they were setting up any returns anyways.

 

[Tau837]

You guys are funny. I am no Manning hater. I am a Manning fan. I think he's one of the best of all time.But you can't have it both ways. Either he deserves disproportionate credit for wins and losses or he doesn't. Everyone wants to give him disproportionate credit for the Colts' 12-4 regular season record, while apparently ignoring that the Colts had a very good defense and coaching staff. Fine. Then he deserves to take blame when they lose.San Diego had the #31 pass defense this season. Are you guys really saying you expected Manning to have only 1 TD today? And the Colts' offense to score only 17 points today?Sure, Manning had 310 yards, but he also attempted 42 passes. The Colts were 6/15 on 3rd down and 0/1 on 4th down. Manning definitely deserves some blame for those numbers.

Sorry dude you lost me and all credibility at "the colts had a very good defense" they ended up with only 135 drives on the season almost 2.5 games worth less of drives than the league average of 165 because the defense could never get off the field, they were worst in the league on stopping third downs and tackled the way they did today all season. I will give Manning some blame, he should have put more points up, but Brady didn't score much in the super bowl last year either, sometimes thing break that way. I would have expected the colts to scored about 24 points this game. They came up short of that by 7 and if they got there they would have won the game. But I wouldn't have expected them to start every single drive with terrible field position either. Offenses play differently inside the 10, and unfortunately the run game was so terrible they couldn't play the way a normal team would inside the 10. Oh well, not worth spending much more on this argument if a reply is going to include something as moronic as the colts having a very good defense, but thanks for a good laugh.

The Colts were #11 in yards allowed and #7 in points allowed. They only gave up 6 passing TDs all season. That's a very good defense.And they defended against 983 plays, which was the 19th highest total in the NFL, about 10 plays below average. No doubt part of the reason they defended fewer plays than average was because they allowed fewer yards per play than most teams (they were #10 in the NFL in yards allowed per play).But I guess I have no credibility on this subject.

I will give Manning some blame, he should have put more points up

That's all I was saying. The title of this thread says we can't blame Manning. I was simply responding that he has to take some of the blame.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Mike Scifers was the MVP of this game, and his performance explains the greater length of the scoring drives and the fewer points scored.

He was definitely great and the Indy punter wasn't. But I was thinking after the 3rd punt that Indy should start going all out for a block on SD punts. They might not have got it but at least it would have put some pressure on the Sd punter to kick quicker and maybe it would have helped. It is not like they were setting up any returns anyways.

That's all well and good, but the point here is that you can't make Scifers' excellent performance into some sort of failure on Manning's part.

 

[gradin123]

That's all I was saying. The title of this thread says we can't blame Manning. I was simply responding that he has to take some of the blame.

Manning wasn't perfect, obviously. He got away with some bad throws. But he had little help tonight from the running game, the Indy coaches or the special teams. Those 3 aspects were all bigger culprits in the loss.Manning for the most part was very good tonight but he always started with his back up against the wall. I thought the defense did it's job tonight though. They played well enough to win. The punter for SD was huge but the special teams coach should have tried something different to disrupt him. They never put pressure on him instead they kept setting up for returns that never happened.

 

[dawrecker]

You guys are funny. I am no Manning hater. I am a Manning fan. I think he's one of the best of all time.But you can't have it both ways. Either he deserves disproportionate credit for wins and losses or he doesn't. Everyone wants to give him disproportionate credit for the Colts' 12-4 regular season record, while apparently ignoring that the Colts had a very good defense and coaching staff. Fine. Then he deserves to take blame when they lose.San Diego had the #31 pass defense this season. Are you guys really saying you expected Manning to have only 1 TD today? And the Colts' offense to score only 17 points today?Sure, Manning had 310 yards, but he also attempted 42 passes. The Colts were 6/15 on 3rd down and 0/1 on 4th down. Manning definitely deserves some blame for those numbers.

Sorry dude you lost me and all credibility at "the colts had a very good defense" they ended up with only 135 drives on the season almost 2.5 games worth less of drives than the league average of 165 because the defense could never get off the field, they were worst in the league on stopping third downs and tackled the way they did today all season. I will give Manning some blame, he should have put more points up, but Brady didn't score much in the super bowl last year either, sometimes thing break that way. I would have expected the colts to scored about 24 points this game. They came up short of that by 7 and if they got there they would have won the game. But I wouldn't have expected them to start every single drive with terrible field position either. Offenses play differently inside the 10, and unfortunately the run game was so terrible they couldn't play the way a normal team would inside the 10. Oh well, not worth spending much more on this argument if a reply is going to include something as moronic as the colts having a very good defense, but thanks for a good laugh.

The Colts were #11 in yards allowed and #7 in points allowed. They only gave up 6 passing TDs all season. That's a very good defense.And they defended against 983 plays, which was the 19th highest total in the NFL, about 10 plays below average. No doubt part of the reason they defended fewer plays than average was because they allowed fewer yards per play than most teams (they were #10 in the NFL in yards allowed per play).But I guess I have no credibility on this subject.

I will give Manning some blame, he should have put more points up

That's all I was saying. The title of this thread says we can't blame Manning. I was simply responding that he has to take some of the blame.

"And they defended against 983 plays, which was the 19th highest total in the NFL" That sir is called not getting off the field, when you have by far the fewest drives against you and still are near the top in plays. They allow 33 yards per drive 27th in the league, they forced a punt on 35.1% of all drives, 28th in the league, and had 70.6% of the first downs against them result in either another first down, field goal, or TD which is 28th in the league. That is certainly a very good defense if I ever saw one. At least they were good at creating turnovers. You may want to watch a few games of the colts defense on NFL network replay.

 

[mad sweeney]

I believe Peyton is one of the best QB's ever but he has melted down a few times in the postseason. Tonight though I think he was the only reason Indy was in it.

The key play though tonight besides the borderline holding call in overtime was the 3rd and 2 for Indy just before the 2 minute warning. First down and Indy wins, PERIOD! They can kneel down if they get it.

The play call for Indy on that play was bizarre. 2 Wr 2 Te set with one back. And you put the back in motion when you know SD is going to blitz? Leave no protection in the backfield?

You should either spread out the Defense with a 4 wr set and do a quick dumpoff to Harrison or Wayne or you go Max protect and try for a dump off to Clark or Gonzalez over the middle.

But the play they called was bizarre. It looked like Peyton's first option was Addai and it was a slow developing play. Whatever play you call there it should have been quick hitting

I personally think it would have been easier to pass on the 2nd and 4 to begin with and if they had they probably would have won it right there.

I'm not sure it was a Manning audible of the 3rd down and 2 play or if it was the designed play from the get go. Either way it was awful though.

I said this at the time as soon as the back went in motion..."this is stupid to remove the threat of the run."I think running there was a real option and in fact I think they should have lined up and run right. I know they hadn't been too successful on short yardage, but they seemed to be winning the line a little better toward the end. Either way, if you are going to throw the play has to be a play action pass IMO.

:rofl: Clear cut holding guys, no borderline about it. And way more of a flag than the PI in Q1.

 

[mad sweeney]

How can you say Manning deserves no blame for this loss? He led Indy to points on only 3 of 12 drives. San Diego does not have a dominating defense, and, in fact, it was one of the worst in the NFL this season. And one of those 3 drives was the long TD to Wayne, which was a bit of a fluke, given that San Diego was caught unprepared for the snap.

They were unprepared BECAUSE of Manning's quick-thinking

. You can call it a fluke play, but I call it a heads-up play by Manning.Also, in regulation, SD's three scoring drives totaled 119 yards. Indy's three scoring drives totaled 214 yards.

Not a fluke play whatsoever, unless you consider blown coverages flukes. SDs plan was to mill about and try to take away Manning's audible system, there's a downside to that for the D if they get caught out of position. Very smart play by Manning and Wayne (and rest of team to be set) to recognize and take advantage. Same thing Favre tried to do vs Miami but his rookie WR didn't catch the hint.

 

[certificate]

You put it in your MVP's hands in that situation. He somehow missed the rusher looping around from his front side, cost the colts the game.

Not saying the loss is all on him, but that play certainly was.

 

[gradin123]

You put it in your MVP's hands in that situation. He somehow missed the rusher looping around from his front side, cost the colts the game.Not saying the loss is all on him, but that play certainly was.

And if he had seen him? What? He would have thrown the ball away and they would have punted from the 9 instead of the 1 and given SD 25 more seconds? Whether he saw the guy or not the play was going nowhere. Like is said, I don't know who chose that play. Maybe it was indeed Manning but it was a very poor play call in that situation.

 

[Mario Kart]

You put it in your MVP's hands in that situation. He somehow missed the rusher looping around from his front side, cost the colts the game.Not saying the loss is all on him, but that play certainly was.

And if he had seen him? What? He would have thrown the ball away and they would have punted from the 9 instead of the 1 and given SD 25 more seconds? Whether he saw the guy or not the play was going nowhere. Like is said, I don't know who chose that play. Maybe it was indeed Manning but it was a very poor play call in that situation.

20/20 hindsight here.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I hope it was a Manning audible and confirmation of that fact is made public.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I didn't read this whole thread and don't know if this was mentioned, but SD easily could have had 4 or 5 picks that were right in their hands. Manning may be a great QB, but I thought he played a terrible game. Other than the first TD drive, the offense did nothing other than one long pass to Wayne. Manning made some terrible decisions and throws.

 

[Tau837]

You guys are funny. I am no Manning hater. I am a Manning fan. I think he's one of the best of all time.But you can't have it both ways. Either he deserves disproportionate credit for wins and losses or he doesn't. Everyone wants to give him disproportionate credit for the Colts' 12-4 regular season record, while apparently ignoring that the Colts had a very good defense and coaching staff. Fine. Then he deserves to take blame when they lose.San Diego had the #31 pass defense this season. Are you guys really saying you expected Manning to have only 1 TD today? And the Colts' offense to score only 17 points today?Sure, Manning had 310 yards, but he also attempted 42 passes. The Colts were 6/15 on 3rd down and 0/1 on 4th down. Manning definitely deserves some blame for those numbers.

Sorry dude you lost me and all credibility at "the colts had a very good defense" they ended up with only 135 drives on the season almost 2.5 games worth less of drives than the league average of 165 because the defense could never get off the field, they were worst in the league on stopping third downs and tackled the way they did today all season. I will give Manning some blame, he should have put more points up, but Brady didn't score much in the super bowl last year either, sometimes thing break that way. I would have expected the colts to scored about 24 points this game. They came up short of that by 7 and if they got there they would have won the game. But I wouldn't have expected them to start every single drive with terrible field position either. Offenses play differently inside the 10, and unfortunately the run game was so terrible they couldn't play the way a normal team would inside the 10. Oh well, not worth spending much more on this argument if a reply is going to include something as moronic as the colts having a very good defense, but thanks for a good laugh.

The Colts were #11 in yards allowed and #7 in points allowed. They only gave up 6 passing TDs all season. That's a very good defense.And they defended against 983 plays, which was the 19th highest total in the NFL, about 10 plays below average. No doubt part of the reason they defended fewer plays than average was because they allowed fewer yards per play than most teams (they were #10 in the NFL in yards allowed per play).But I guess I have no credibility on this subject.

I will give Manning some blame, he should have put more points up

That's all I was saying. The title of this thread says we can't blame Manning. I was simply responding that he has to take some of the blame.

"And they defended against 983 plays, which was the 19th highest total in the NFL" That sir is called not getting off the field, when you have by far the fewest drives against you and still are near the top in plays. They allow 33 yards per drive 27th in the league, they forced a punt on 35.1% of all drives, 28th in the league, and had 70.6% of the first downs against them result in either another first down, field goal, or TD which is 28th in the league. That is certainly a very good defense if I ever saw one. At least they were good at creating turnovers. You may want to watch a few games of the colts defense on NFL network replay.

I don't see how defending the 19th highest number of plays from scrimmage is "still near the top in plays." The average NFL team defended 990 plays from scrimmage, and the Colts defended 983. The lowest total in the league was the Pats' 920. The highest total was the Seahawks' 1058.I notice you didn't mention points. The Colts were #7 in points allowed. I guess you're saying that is not meaningful. The Colts also had the fewest defensive penalties in the league.

 

[Tau837]

I didn't read this whole thread and don't know if this was mentioned, but SD easily could have had 4 or 5 picks that were right in their hands. Manning may be a great QB, but I thought he played a terrible game. Other than the first TD drive, the offense did nothing other than one long pass to Wayne. Manning made some terrible decisions and throws.

 

[certificate]

You put it in your MVP's hands in that situation. He somehow missed the rusher looping around from his front side, cost the colts the game.Not saying the loss is all on him, but that play certainly was.

And if he had seen him? What? He would have thrown the ball away and they would have punted from the 9 instead of the 1 and given SD 25 more seconds? Whether he saw the guy or not the play was going nowhere. Like is said, I don't know who chose that play. Maybe it was indeed Manning but it was a very poor play call in that situation.

He doesn't hang onto to the ball for too long, pump faking before he gets sacked?I don't have the game film to tell if anyone was open. Someone usually is .

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Mike Scifers was the MVP of this game, and his performance explains the greater length of the scoring drives and the fewer points scored.

He was definitely great and the Indy punter wasn't. But I was thinking after the 3rd punt that Indy should start going all out for a block on SD punts. They might not have got it but at least it would have put some pressure on the Sd punter to kick quicker and maybe it would have helped. It is not like they were setting up any returns anyways.

I was thinking along the same lines,only a more aggressive approach. I would have sent the house after the punter after the second punt and knock him on his ###, even if it meant a 15 yard penalty. I think that approach that would have paid big dividends later in the game.As it was, the Colts constantly started each drive in poor field position, and punted the ball back to San Diego,leaving the Chargers with a short field.

 

[Mr. Black]

Some of you people are amazing. It doesn't matter what play is called, if the TE doesn't block and gives you a free rush to the QB then the entire play is blown up.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Man, it's amusing to see everyone rush to give Manning a cyber-hummer in here.

He's a great QB, and frankly he was the only bright spot on offense yesterday. But let's not pretend he played a perfect game. His team put up 17 points against a defense that, let's face it, was not very good against the pass this year.

Not the type of effort you expect from an MVP-led offense in the playoffs.

 

[Tom Servo]

Some of you people are amazing. It doesn't matter what play is called, if the TE doesn't block and gives you a free rush to the QB then the entire play is blown up.

This.

 

[fatboyj711]

I didn't read this whole thread and don't know if this was mentioned, but SD easily could have had 4 or 5 picks that were right in their hands. Manning may be a great QB, but I thought he played a terrible game. Other than the first TD drive, the offense did nothing other than one long pass to Wayne. Manning made some terrible decisions and throws.

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