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CAR - Steve Smith fights Ken Lucas (1 Viewer)
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MCguidance
Footballguy
I agree with both of these comments actually. Playing football in high school and college, fights would happen. However, and it's a big however, the fights that took place were - aside from one I remember - with helmets and pads on, minimizing damage. There was a lot of grabbing facemasks, pushing, etc. The lone fight on the sideline resulted in both players being severeky sanctioned and missing games during the season. I know the situations are completely different. I am just saying that fights in football happen, the nature of the game is a major reason for that. The fights that are on the sidelines or in the film rooms where guys are defenseless, is just not right.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I'm sure Steve Smith only picks out the ones he knows he probably can whip. I guarantee you that he wouldn't be such a bada-s-s against, let say RAY LEWIS?I'd like to see Lucas file assault charges against him LOL.
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Al Toon's Mole
Footballguy
You know, I could have sworn someone else posted a thread about a possible suspension, but can't for the life of me seem to remember who? 
ForWhoForWhat
Footballguy
I traded for him two days ago.
T Bell
Footballguy
Fixed.
massraider
Footballguy
How does one do that?
T Bell
Footballguy
WWMWD?
I'll try to add what I know as a local here in Charlotte...This was big news on sports radio all day. Word has it that these two players have never liked each other. It sounds like Lucas and Smith were jawing as they came off the field from 1-on-1's. Lucas dropped to a knee while Smith yelled at him. Lucas pushed Smith, who then popped Lucas in the eye and proceeded the beat the crap out of him. LB Jon Beason pulled Smith off of Lucas (rumor has it that Beason suffored a minor injury) while other players and coaches jumped in. Most interviewed said that Smith deserves at least a 1 game suspension. This has become an offense versus defense battle, with Moose saying that if Smith is suspended, Lucas should be suspended. I'd be surprised if anything happens, but really, who thinks the Panthers will win game 1 against San Diego anyway? From what I hear, this is no surprise to Panther insiders as Smith has never been able to control his temper. Publicly, the word is that he has matured and become a family man and community advocate, but I hear he is still not very popular among teammates because of his attitude and actions off the field.
TheBaylorKid
Footballguy
I agree with this statement.Any team filled with competitors will fight amongst themselves in practice from time to time.Question to the people throwing out arbitrary suspensions, just exactly who are you claiming will levee the suspension?Carolina or the league?Where is your basis coming from for a one game vs. a four?To me, this is an internal matter. Draft Smith with confidence.
fatness
Footballguy
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
Smith is an idiot.
Regardless of who started it, he's short sighted enough to risk breaking his hand(s) throwing punches.
And for those wondering, the last teammate Smith beat up did press charges.
Regardless of who started it, he's short sighted enough to risk breaking his hand(s) throwing punches.
And for those wondering, the last teammate Smith beat up did press charges.
joffer
Footballguy
the question still stands. aren't these grown men?
chris1969
Footballguy
Yeah I played football and I saw a few fights in practice in the 8 or so years I played. They were always started by some meat puppet with an IQ of 3 that thought he was more important than the team and couldn't spell discipline let alone understand what it meant. These same morons usually had a lot of physical talent, but never seemed to mind destroying a close game by having a mental breakdown that costs the entire team. 2 of the 3 guys eventually got thrown off the team and even though they had a ton of talent, we played better without them. The third guy basically got his life threatened by 6 of the other guys on the team including me (this was after practice!) he straightened his act up after that, but still jumped offside too much for a guy that lined up directly over the center. I enjoy watching Smith on the football field and will still probably draft him since he may be undervalued, but if you think my above statements bash him than you probably were one of those meat puppets. The rest of the guys who played understood how a guy like that can ruin a team.
As far as who should suspend him, any decent coach in his right mind! He got suspended for 1 game the last time if I'm not mistaken, so it should be at least 2 games this time. Or the same coach can lose control of his team and simply make a statement that he promises to punish him when he does it a third time. Goodell should suspend Smith and the coach for a couple of games if the coach does nothing. Smith for being an idiot an the coach for being a pansie.
Defend him if you want because your a homer or you have him on your fantasy team, but a cancer is still a cancer no matter how good he plays football.
walkwithme
Footballguy
The Panthers will levee the suspension it will come down pretty soon. I expect a one or two game suspension. Smith is known to have a temper, is known to trash talk during games, has in the past fought a teammate, and broken his nose which required that player to stay in a hospital and settle an assault charge. The last time this happened with Smith he received a one game suspension, so that is where the 1+ game suspensions are coming from.TheFatKid said:
Smith is the team's star and best player. On top of that he has a tough reputation. I bet the line to fight him is pretty short.It is when you have some angry Panthers pissed at Steve Smith for sucker punching a teammate and hoping het gets a taste of his own medicine. You know, Steve Smith might happen to take a little slip and fall in the shower one of the coming days.Is that really necessary?
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
You can't sweep this under the rug and pretend it was a mere scuffle during practice. They weren't practicing--they were on the sideline with their helmets off. This was no different than Smith's assault on Anthony Bright in the film room.joffer said:
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Somehow I don't think there are too many 240lb linebackers who are afraid of Steve Smith.Smith is the team's star and best player. On top of that he has a tough reputation. I bet the line to fight him is pretty short.It is when you have some angry Panthers pissed at Steve Smith for sucker punching a teammate and hoping het gets a taste of his own medicine. You know, Steve Smith might happen to take a little slip and fall in the shower one of the coming days.
chris1969
Footballguy
Why? I had a game where another guy bit me twice in a pile-up after I tackled him. If i was Steve Smith, I would have punched him in the middle of the game, and screwed up a close game, but instead I solved the problem in my own way. The first time he bit me, I showed the official the bite mark on my arm and let him know the other guy's number. Since the official shrugged me off, my thumb accidentally found the other guy's eye in the next play we met, but it wasn't anything that was gonna be seen by an official. He was out for about a quarter, but when he came back in, he bit me a second time. I looked down at the second set of bite marks on my arm and they didn't look too bad, so for the next three plays, I bit 2 of my fingers as hard as I could in the huddle. The next play that I tackled the guy, I made sure that I was on top of him and my hand was hidden under his face mask. I just started screaming bloody murder and when the officials ran over I made sure to tell the same guy that was the 3rd time he bit me. I showed him 3 sets of bite marks and he got thrown out of the game. He was a very good RB and getting him thrown out of the game probably ruined the other team's chances. The other choice was getting myself thrown out of the game and letting my back-up try to handle him while I massaged my ego on the bench. It's all about self control. There have been a couple of times that I've gotten in a shoving match in practice, but I've never even thought about punching a team-mate in practice. Like you said they are grown men. We acted better as kids.
Max Power
Footballguy
watching sportscenter this morning and while vague, the sportscaster said "Smith could be suspended for up to 4 games for violating the collective bargaining agreement for conduct detrimental to the team."
ESPN also reporting Smith has been sent home from camp
ETA: Found Link...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=3514554
Of course only sent home for the day. ESPN seemed to imply he would be missing a chunk a camp.
ESPN also reporting Smith has been sent home from camp
ETA: Found Link...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=3514554
Of course only sent home for the day. ESPN seemed to imply he would be missing a chunk a camp.
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I bet it is if you're required to start off on your knees.Smith is the team's star and best player. On top of that he has a tough reputation. I bet the line to fight him is pretty short.It is when you have some angry Panthers pissed at Steve Smith for sucker punching a teammate and hoping het gets a taste of his own medicine. You know, Steve Smith might happen to take a little slip and fall in the shower one of the coming days.
fatness
Footballguy
"Just talk" because there is no news report yet that he is suspended."Wishful thinking" because some people want him suspended despite not knowing for sure what happened.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
I think people are in serious denial if don't see a suspension coming for Smith. He is a multiple offender in this type of situation and he was suspended for a game the last time such an event happened. Fox will more than likely loose all credibility with his team if Smith doesn't miss at least 1 game. Given this isn't the 1st time he's done something like this, I would expect more than that.
T Bell
Footballguy
Damn, I'd forgotten all about that. I can't believe that that was six years ago.
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
Didn't S Smith get in trouble for some domestic violence several years ago? I might be wrong on that. As far as the boys will be boys attitude, if this was an isolated thing I might see taking that stance but it is very clear that SS actions hurt the team. Say what you will but crap like this usually affects team chemistry/unity eventually and I would be tired of this song and dance if I were a teamate of SS.
riverrat
Footballguy
To me,it all comes down to whether Lucas assaulted Smith first. A shove is an assault. Two people have posted here that apparently were there. One said they were trading insults and Steve sucker punched Lucas. That would warrant a suspension. The other said Lucas shoved Steve first. That is an assault and legally warrants defending oneself. If he shoved him on the sideline then Lucas is at fault, even though I agree the "defense" went over the top.
Max Power
Footballguy
Smith could argue it was self defense, but both would likely be charged with assault. Considering the situation, I don't think many judges would bite off on the "self defense" approch on this one.I only comment because your statement comes off very black and white letter of the law, when in fact it isn't the case.
Tau837
Footballguy
So where is the fantasy value in this?
He is suspended for 2 games. I wouldn't necessarily bump up the other CAR WRs in my draft rankings, since that isn't enough added opportunity.
So it seems the value is with Smith himself. His ADP will probably fall. Per FBG, his ADP as of yesterday was WR8 and 25th overall. I could see it falling at least to WR15, and the high 30s overall.
The suspension is the first 2 games, so it doesn't affect the stretch run and playoffs. And then, given his personality, he may be hell bent to prove himself and make up for that missed time when he comes off the suspension.
Thoughts?
He is suspended for 2 games. I wouldn't necessarily bump up the other CAR WRs in my draft rankings, since that isn't enough added opportunity.
So it seems the value is with Smith himself. His ADP will probably fall. Per FBG, his ADP as of yesterday was WR8 and 25th overall. I could see it falling at least to WR15, and the high 30s overall.
The suspension is the first 2 games, so it doesn't affect the stretch run and playoffs. And then, given his personality, he may be hell bent to prove himself and make up for that missed time when he comes off the suspension.
Thoughts?
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Max Power
Footballguy
I don't think it drops that much. Who is WR15 now? Roy Williams? I'd rather have 14 games of smith than 16 of Roy. (if roy plays a full season)I had him as 9th on my board...Probably drop him to 12-13 area. Bumps for Chad, Welker, Housh (yikes maybe even Marshall)
Tau837
Footballguy
As of yesterday, consensus ADP had these players within 15 picks or so after Smith:Marques ColstonChad JohnsonTorry HoltPlaxico BurressWes WelkerAnquan BoldinBrandon MarshallI don't see Marshall moving ahead of Smith, if he gets his own suspension. But I could see all the other taken earlier, implying Smith's overall ADP would fall to the high 30s.
I think I'd rather have 14 games of Smith(and possibly 12 games of Marshall) over a season of Welker(in non-ppr) or Boldin(no lock to play more than 12 himself.)
Max Power
Footballguy
I had Holt and Colston both ahead of Smith already. I'd def bump Chad, Housh (prob rated FBG #7) and Welker. Call me skeptical, but I'm not sold on Burress being top 12 worthy. He is a 70 catch guy and I don't expect such a high TD total again.Like Boldin's talent, but his situation is currently enough for me to leave him be. Untill Marshall is actually suspended, I will bump him ahead of Smith. In a savvy league, Smith shouldn't fall more than 5-10 spots at most IMO. So yeah, early to mid 30's sound about right.
fatness
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
ProFootballTalk is reporting that the fight started because players were making fun of Lucas for having had a nose job.
So Smith broke his nose.
Well, that's kind of funny.
So Smith broke his nose.
Well, that's kind of funny.
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
so, now i guess he HAS to get a nosejob?
