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Eminence

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Pretty much, I am 22 years old and am Managers of people in their 40's+. Nothing is stated but I can feel the disdain radiating from these people. I feel for these people, so envious of something that I weaseled my way into after 5 months.

I haven't even been with the company a year and have snaked past people who have been with my company for 4 years, 1 year, etc.

Mentally, I have the entire business model down. I have enough work ethic to hammer out bigger projects when they need to be completed quickly. But I am not the greatest at leading people, mainly older people because I am insecure about the situation.

Furthermore, sometimes these older people play crafty tricks on you. But god forbid you retaliate, because you're management and that would be unprofessional. But the point of this post is that I am trying to become Assistant Manager. This is a position that requires me to be even MORE of a leader and communicate with everyone.


Can anyone give me some tips on being a leader? Suggestions on how to manage workers that a sub-conscious level hate you.

 
What tricks are they playing? Not looking for entertainment (well, a little) but it would help to hear so we can figure out if they're actually tricks or something else entirely.

 
Move from the Kankakee area to the Chicago area. Much better career opportunities.

Regarding managing older people: They will only respect you when they know that you know more than they do. You still might be a few years away from that.

 
You seem kind of uppity for being a manager. I mean it's not like you are better than anyone just because you are their boss.

You are better than people because you have more twitter followers.

 
When I was 25, I was hired from another organization to run a department that had previously been run by a woman for 25 years (she retired). I inherited two 50-somethings as direct reports, and most of the people who reported to the same VP I did were in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. My VP knew I was a "rock star," and would get done what needed to be done (or they would have hired one of the other ~120 people who applied for the position). But he was about the only one...since most assumed I was too young to run that large of a shop/operation.

If this isn't schtick, and you're sincerely asking for advice, my advice to you would be this: CHECK YOUR EGO (and insecurity, which is usually the thing that ego is masking) AT THE DOOR. You might be all-that and a bag of chips! But most of your co-workers are about 20+ years ahead of you in the wisdom and life experience department. And you will be tempted, probably daily, to make up for said lack of wisdom/experience (insecurity) by showing people...telling people how you are Tha Man. You know your #### cold. And you might. But all they'll hear/see is "punk-### kid." And you'll lose them...permanently. You think they'll follow you because they need to in order to keep their jobs! But there are 100 ways they can do JUST enough not to get fired...while making your job a living hell.

Start asking for their input on decisions, rather than making them feel like you're saying "my way or the highway." Give them as many little victories/wins as you can, via implementing some of what they are asking for. Eliminating some of what they think is B.S. Get their back and go to bat for them with your boss(es) (even if you think it might be fruitless or even a little bit wrong, as long as revenues/quality/safety doesn't suffer). Let them occasionally vent and blow-off steam about you and what you are asking them to do, with zero retaliation on your part. You might talk like you're part of "us," but if you're management? You can be good at it, but there will always be times when you are merely "them." Part of the perceived problem to your direct reports. Clueless about what they are going through. Etc.

The other thing to keep in mind? Org charts typically have management on top...but in reality, "it" rolls downhill. And the more responsibility you are given, the more "it" you'll need to handle. There's a reason being "the boss" generally comes with a bigger paycheck. Because you'll earn every last penny of it shoveling #### and dealing with both YOUR problems and the problems of everyone who reports to you. Invert that org chart. Management isn't for everybody. And if you're only in it for the fatter paycheck and stroke of the ego? It'll wind up being a mess. But if you treat your direct reports with respect, acknowledge the fact that they have more wisdom and life experience (even if you might have more "knowledge" specific to the job description), you'll be okay.

 
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Figure out who the "leader" of the underlings is/are (if more than one "leader") and make friends with them. These "leaders" might be the "lifers" of the group. As stated above, ask for their input, as for their opinion, talk with them each day, say hello to them, ask about family or the game or make small conversation that takes 2-3 minutes. Get to know the people you work with rather than having an attitude of, "I'm the boss so you better listen to me," cause that doesn't work.

Age be damned, get to know the people you spend 6-8 hours of the day with. Show them who you are, ask advice from the "mothers" of the group.

 
Eminence said:
Pretty much, I am 22 years old and am Managers of people in their 40's+. Nothing is stated but I can feel the disdain radiating from these people. I feel for these people, so envious of something that I weaseled my way into after 5 months.

I haven't even been with the company a year and have snaked past people who have been with my company for 4 years, 1 year, etc.

Mentally, I have the entire business model down. I have enough work ethic to hammer out bigger projects when they need to be completed quickly. But I am not the greatest at leading people, mainly older people because I am insecure about the situation.

Furthermore, sometimes these older people play crafty tricks on you. But god forbid you retaliate, because you're management and that would be unprofessional. But the point of this post is that I am trying to become Assistant Manager. This is a position that requires me to be even MORE of a leader and communicate with everyone.

Can anyone give me some tips on being a leader? Suggestions on how to manage workers that a sub-conscious level hate you.
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What kind of business are you in again where a 22 year old is leading/managing 40 somethings? That's basically somebody just graduating from college. Unless you're a whiz kid programmer in Silicon Valley I rarely see this.

 
Judge Smails said:
Eminence said:
Pretty much, I am 22 years old and am Managers of people in their 40's+. Nothing is stated but I can feel the disdain radiating from these people. I feel for these people, so envious of something that I weaseled my way into after 5 months.

I haven't even been with the company a year and have snaked past people who have been with my company for 4 years, 1 year, etc.

Mentally, I have the entire business model down. I have enough work ethic to hammer out bigger projects when they need to be completed quickly. But I am not the greatest at leading people, mainly older people because I am insecure about the situation.

Furthermore, sometimes these older people play crafty tricks on you. But god forbid you retaliate, because you're management and that would be unprofessional. But the point of this post is that I am trying to become Assistant Manager. This is a position that requires me to be even MORE of a leader and communicate with everyone.

Can anyone give me some tips on being a leader? Suggestions on how to manage workers that a sub-conscious level hate you.
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What kind of business are you in again where a 22 year old is leading/managing 40 somethings? That's basically somebody just graduating from college. Unless you're a whiz kid programmer in Silicon Valley I rarely see this.
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He's like an assistant manager at Walgreen's.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Judge Smails said:
Eminence said:
Pretty much, I am 22 years old and am Managers of people in their 40's+. Nothing is stated but I can feel the disdain radiating from these people. I feel for these people, so envious of something that I weaseled my way into after 5 months.

I haven't even been with the company a year and have snaked past people who have been with my company for 4 years, 1 year, etc.

Mentally, I have the entire business model down. I have enough work ethic to hammer out bigger projects when they need to be completed quickly. But I am not the greatest at leading people, mainly older people because I am insecure about the situation.

Furthermore, sometimes these older people play crafty tricks on you. But god forbid you retaliate, because you're management and that would be unprofessional. But the point of this post is that I am trying to become Assistant Manager. This is a position that requires me to be even MORE of a leader and communicate with everyone.

Can anyone give me some tips on being a leader? Suggestions on how to manage workers that a sub-conscious level hate you.
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What kind of business are you in again where a 22 year old is leading/managing 40 somethings? That's basically somebody just graduating from college. Unless you're a whiz kid programmer in Silicon Valley I rarely see this.
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He's like an assistant shift manager at Walgreen's.
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fixed..pulling in like $13-14 big ones per hour

 
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So awesome.

"Please stock those shelves over there. We're looking light on Doritos"

"I don't feel like it"

"Well, then you're fired"

This really shouldn't be that hard.

 
datonn said:
When I was 25, I was hired from another organization to run a department that had previously been run by a woman for 25 years (she retired). I inherited two 50-somethings as direct reports, and most of the people who reported to the same VP I did were in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. My VP knew I was a "rock star," and would get done what needed to be done (or they would have hired one of the other ~120 people who applied for the position). But he was about the only one...since most assumed I was too young to run that large of a shop/operation.

If this isn't schtick, and you're sincerely asking for advice, my advice to you would be this: CHECK YOUR EGO (and insecurity, which is usually the thing that ego is masking) AT THE DOOR. You might be all-that and a bag of chips! But most of your co-workers are about 20+ years ahead of you in the wisdom and life experience department. And you will be tempted, probably daily, to make up for said lack of wisdom/experience (insecurity) by showing people...telling people how you are Tha Man. You know your #### cold. And you might. But all they'll hear/see is "punk-### kid." And you'll lose them...permanently. You think they'll follow you because they need to in order to keep their jobs! But there are 100 ways they can do JUST enough not to get fired...while making your job a living hell.

Start asking for their input on decisions, rather than making them feel like you're saying "my way or the highway." Give them as many little victories/wins as you can, via implementing some of what they are asking for. Eliminating some of what they think is B.S. Get their back and go to bat for them with your boss(es) (even if you think it might be fruitless or even a little bit wrong, as long as revenues/quality/safety doesn't suffer). Let them occasionally vent and blow-off steam about you and what you are asking them to do, with zero retaliation on your part. You might talk like you're part of "us," but if you're management? You can be good at it, but there will always be times when you are merely "them." Part of the perceived problem to your direct reports. Clueless about what they are going through. Etc.

The other thing to keep in mind? Org charts typically have management on top...but in reality, "it" rolls downhill. And the more responsibility you are given, the more "it" you'll need to handle. There's a reason being "the boss" generally comes with a bigger paycheck. Because you'll earn every last penny of it shoveling #### and dealing with both YOUR problems and the problems of everyone who reports to you. Invert that org chart. Management isn't for everybody. And if you're only in it for the fatter paycheck and stroke of the ego? It'll wind up being a mess. But if you treat your direct reports with respect, acknowledge the fact that they have more wisdom and life experience (even if you might have more "knowledge" specific to the job description), you'll be okay.
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it's a walgreens bro. not even a CVS. come on.

 
GOB said:
You seem kind of uppity for being a manager. I mean it's not like you are better than anyone just because you are their boss.

You are better than people because you have more twitter followers.
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Read again, he's not even an assistant manager.

 
That really reads like an MOP post. Pretends like he is asking for advice but really just want to brag about a menial job that your average teenager could handle with ease.

 
1) I would learn english and sentence construction.

2) Understand that jealousy exists everywhere.

3) Confidence breeds respect.

never ever pull the woe is me thing and never apologize for what you have earned. never dumb yourself down for underlings. treat people like adults. i would have regular team meetings and take control. lay out expectations for when you want the shelves stocked, etc.

 
You don't see a lot of sincere management theory inquiries from people whose resumes include any form of the verb to weasel.

 
I say you rule with an iron fist. You're not trying to impress the slacker underlings, their opinions don't matter. Being popular amongst the peasants at Applebees happy hour gets you nowhere. You need to impress your boss - that's your meal ticket.

Shift managing at Walgreens is a dog eat dog biz. You want to be alpha? Then you'll have to step over the bodies of the weak.

 
are you sure you even have authority over these people? part of the reason they're getting mad might be because you don't understand that you're a glorified cashier and you can't actually tell them what to do. just a thought.

 
Phil Elliott said:
Foosball God said:
GOB said:
You seem kind of uppity for being a manager. I mean it's not like you are better than anyone just because you are their boss.

You are better than people because you have more twitter followers.
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Read again, he's not even an assistant manager.
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Assistant to the Manager?
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Assistant to the Regional Manager

 
Imagine if Eminence and timshoset work for Walgreens in the same district and don't even know it? They may have even shaken one another's hand at a district meeting.

 
Frostillicus said:
What tricks are they playing? Not looking for entertainment (well, a little) but it would help to hear so we can figure out if they're actually tricks or something else entirely.
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When he's stocking the bottom shelves, the old timers come up behind him and give him a wedgie.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Foosball God said:
GOB said:
You seem kind of uppity for being a manager. I mean it's not like you are better than anyone just because you are their boss.

You are better than people because you have more twitter followers.
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Read again, he's not even an assistant manager.
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and yet somehow is managing people.
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managing to irritate people?

 
johnnycakes said:
Frostillicus said:
What tricks are they playing? Not looking for entertainment (well, a little) but it would help to hear so we can figure out if they're actually tricks or something else entirely.
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When he's stocking the bottom shelves, the old timers come up behind him and give him a wedgie.
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Off topic, but a funny trick we played on someone at my old job...

This guy who was a little chunky thought he was like a professional bodybuilder, always giving advice on nutrition/exercise/etc... Anyways, he bought this gigantic bottle of protein - One night when most of the people in the office had left, we emptied out about 80% of the powder and filled it up with the most fattening Aunt Jemima buttermilk pancake mix. For the next month he continued to get fatter and fatter and every time he would make a "protein shake", I would have to resist in busting out in laughter.

 
jon_mx said:
Surely Em has about $7-10K saved for the downpayment on his house by now, right?
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With this type of growth, that is probably just pocket change:

On a more serious note fellas, things might become a bit more interesting over the next two-months. The following dates are important:

February 27th: $160 in Walgreens Stock becomes available for me to sell.

March 31st: $400 in Walgreens Stock becomes available for me to sell.

April 31st: $400 in Walgreens Stock becomes available for me to sell.

...and so forth.

If you ignore the transaction fees, what I've done with this HEMP stock has been fairly impressive:

.045 purchase price versus current price of .070 (55% Gain)

.065 purchase price versus current price of .070 (7% Gain)

My portfolio is only worth $715 right now.

On February 1st, it'll be worth $1,200.

On March 1st, it'll be worth $1,700.

...and so on.

 
Eminence said:
Pretty much, I am 22 years old and am Managers of people in their 40's+. Nothing is stated but I can feel the disdain radiating from these people. I feel for these people, so envious of something that I weaseled my way into after 5 months.

I haven't even been with the company a year and have snaked past people who have been with my company for 4 years, 1 year, etc.

Mentally, I have the entire business model down. I have enough work ethic to hammer out bigger projects when they need to be completed quickly. But I am not the greatest at leading people, mainly older people because I am insecure about the situation.

Furthermore, sometimes these older people play crafty tricks on you. But god forbid you retaliate, because you're management and that would be unprofessional. But the point of this post is that I am trying to become Assistant Manager. This is a position that requires me to be even MORE of a leader and communicate with everyone.

Can anyone give me some tips on being a leader? Suggestions on how to manage workers that a sub-conscious level hate you.
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I think you are on to something here.

 
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"I'm a manager, but one day I hope to become an assistant manager."

:lol:

Em, I really feel like you should go back and re-read your post. Retaliating against employees? Dear lord! You realize you're a Manager at Walgreen's and not the Glorious Leader of a third world country, right?

 
TheIronSheik said:
"I'm a manager, but one day I hope to become an assistant manager."

:lol:

Em, I really feel like you should go back and re-read your post. Retaliating against employees? Dear lord! You realize you're a Manager at Walgreen's and not the Glorious Leader of a third world country, right?
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Yet.

 
Okay:

1) If you do not work @ corporate, you cannot call your job at Walgreen's a career. Its a job.

2) If you're not even an assistant manager, you are not management. Even if/when you become an assistant manager, you'll barely be it.

3) No one will follow you because you think too much of yourself and too little of others.

 
Eminence said:
Pretty much, I am 22 years old and am Managers of people in their 40's+. Nothing is stated but I can feel the disdain radiating from these people. I feel for these people, so envious of something that I weaseled my way into after 5 months.

I haven't even been with the company a year and have snaked past people who have been with my company for 4 years, 1 year, etc.
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Here's some advice. Try: 'I was better at "......." ' instead of weaseled and snaked.

Either they are all complete losers or the company itself is a loser ....or both. Good companies should be able to sniff out a weasel.

 
TheIronSheik said:
"I'm a manager, but one day I hope to become an assistant manager."

:lol:

Em, I really feel like you should go back and re-read your post. Retaliating against employees? Dear lord! You realize you're a Manager at Walgreen's and not the Glorious Leader of a third world country, right?
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And that's when the big bucks start rollint in!

 
Serious question: Do you have a degree? If you don't have a degree and do not like your job, just quit and get a new retail job.

 
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