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Darin Gantt's Rock Hill Herald blog

***Julius Peppers has been moved to RDE.

***Tyler Brayton is taking first team snaps at LDE.

***Jon Beason had minor wrist surgery this week but should be fine for camp.

***Dan Connor started out behind Adam Seward at MLB, but was taking first team snaps later in the day.

***Charles Godfrey took first team snaps at FS.

***Richard Marshall is STILL the third corner (WTF?)

 
Darin Gantt's Rock Hill Herald blog

***Julius Peppers has been moved to RDE.

***Tyler Brayton is taking first team snaps at LDE.

***Jon Beason had minor wrist surgery this week but should be fine for camp.

***Dan Connor started out behind Adam Seward at MLB, but was taking first team snaps later in the day.

***Charles Godfrey took first team snaps at FS.

***Richard Marshall is STILL the third corner (WTF?)
oh dear...really ?? :thumbdown:

 
Is the move to RDE and huge deal for Peppers? Good or Bad if so?
Should equate to better pass rush stats theoretically however, until they get a decent option on the other side of Peppers, I don't think it will make a huge difference personally.
 
Darin Gantt's Rock Hill Herald blog

***Julius Peppers has been moved to RDE.

***Tyler Brayton is taking first team snaps at LDE.

***Jon Beason had minor wrist surgery this week but should be fine for camp.

***Dan Connor started out behind Adam Seward at MLB, but was taking first team snaps later in the day.

***Charles Godfrey took first team snaps at FS.

***Richard Marshall is STILL the third corner (WTF?)
oh dear...really ?? :thumbdown:
:sadbanana: :confused: :hot: :( :cry:
 
If the Panthers lined up to play today, Landon Johnson, the team’s highest-paid free agent pickup this off-season, and Dan Connor, the team’s highly-touted third-round draft pick from Penn State, wouldn’t even crack the starting lineup. As of this moment, those jobs belong to Jon Beason, Thomas Davis and Na’il Diggs.

The depth doesn’t stop with Johnson and Connor.

Adam Seward, a well-liked but often injured former fifth-round pick, is back and looking better than ever. The team will also have to make some tough cuts with James Anderson, a third-round pick in 2006, competing for a roster spot with Tim Shaw, Donte Curry and Brandon Jamison, all three of whom are considered solid contributors on special teams.

Johnson, meanwhile, is bouncing back and forth between weak side and strong side linebacker, backing up Davis and Diggs. Given the three-year, $10 million contract he signed with the Panthers earlier this off-season, it wouldn’t surprise anyone if he replaces Diggs in the starting lineup once the season begins.

Panthers boast plenty of depth at linebacker

 
Is there no chance Stanley McClover starts at LDE?
Brayton is (or was) running with the starters, but my guess is Charles Johnson will wind up winning the job. It's pretty wide open right now between Johnson, McClover and Brayton and any of the three could win the job. It's definitely something to keep an eye on during camp.
 
Is there no chance Stanley McClover starts at LDE?
Brayton is (or was) running with the starters, but my guess is Charles Johnson will wind up winning the job. It's pretty wide open right now between Johnson, McClover and Brayton and any of the three could win the job. It's definitely something to keep an eye on during camp.
I have a feeling McClover will at least see third down duty. He has a sick burst and first step as a pass rusher, which is not exactly Brayton or Johnson's forte. I think we'll see enough shuffling that none of them have great value, unless one or more (or Peppers) gets hurt.
 
***Richard Marshall is STILL the third corner (WTF?)
I cant wait for the end of the Fox/Hurney era.
Considering Marshall is ranked #8 in redraft (high: 4, low: 19) and #6 in dynasty (high: 4, low: 13), is everyone expecting him to be the #2 or #1 CB by the time the season starts? Was Marshall a starter last year, or did he get those stats playing in nickel/dime packages? With the addition of both Connor and Johnson I would think we might see them playing more with 3 LBs and less with a 5th DB?
 
***Richard Marshall is STILL the third corner (WTF?)
I cant wait for the end of the Fox/Hurney era.
Considering Marshall is ranked #8 in redraft (high: 4, low: 19) and #6 in dynasty (high: 4, low: 13), is everyone expecting him to be the #2 or #1 CB by the time the season starts? Was Marshall a starter last year, or did he get those stats playing in nickel/dime packages? With the addition of both Connor and Johnson I would think we might see them playing more with 3 LBs and less with a 5th DB?
Marshall has briefly been a starter in each of his first two seasons (two games after Gamble finally shut it down after his hand injury in 07 and a few games in relief of Ken Lucas in 06), but the bulk of his stats have come in the nickel corner role. The observation about the improved LB corps is well made, but I still think the three corners are likely to be seen as better overall cover options than staying in the base defense.
 
***Richard Marshall is STILL the third corner (WTF?)
I cant wait for the end of the Fox/Hurney era.
Considering Marshall is ranked #8 in redraft (high: 4, low: 19) and #6 in dynasty (high: 4, low: 13), is everyone expecting him to be the #2 or #1 CB by the time the season starts? Was Marshall a starter last year, or did he get those stats playing in nickel/dime packages? With the addition of both Connor and Johnson I would think we might see them playing more with 3 LBs and less with a 5th DB?
Marshall has briefly been a starter in each of his first two seasons (two games after Gamble finally shut it down after his hand injury in 07 and a few games in relief of Ken Lucas in 06), but the bulk of his stats have come in the nickel corner role. The observation about the improved LB corps is well made, but I still think the three corners are likely to be seen as better overall cover options than staying in the base defense.
What are the odds Marshall gets a shot at starting this year? I assume he would be taking the job from Lucas, if he does? And are the projections and rankings for '08 based on him still being a nickelback, or on him cracking the starting lineup? If he does push Lucas into the nickel role, would Lucas put up similar stats?
 
***Richard Marshall is STILL the third corner (WTF?)
I cant wait for the end of the Fox/Hurney era.
Considering Marshall is ranked #8 in redraft (high: 4, low: 19) and #6 in dynasty (high: 4, low: 13), is everyone expecting him to be the #2 or #1 CB by the time the season starts? Was Marshall a starter last year, or did he get those stats playing in nickel/dime packages? With the addition of both Connor and Johnson I would think we might see them playing more with 3 LBs and less with a 5th DB?
Marshall has briefly been a starter in each of his first two seasons (two games after Gamble finally shut it down after his hand injury in 07 and a few games in relief of Ken Lucas in 06), but the bulk of his stats have come in the nickel corner role. The observation about the improved LB corps is well made, but I still think the three corners are likely to be seen as better overall cover options than staying in the base defense.
What are the odds Marshall gets a shot at starting this year? I assume he would be taking the job from Lucas, if he does? And are the projections and rankings for '08 based on him still being a nickelback, or on him cracking the starting lineup? If he does push Lucas into the nickel role, would Lucas put up similar stats?
Hard to handicap the odds on Marshall. We all like him around here, but he does have lapses in man coverage at times and Gamble and Lucas aren't poor players. In 2006, it appeared Lucas would be the one to move out of the lineup, but he proved last year that his struggles were injury related. He looks safer than Gamble right now, but it's tough to know. Regardless, Fox is clearly not in a hurry to make a change.Can't speak for the other staffers, but my rankings are based on an assumption that he stays in the same role he's played -- solid producer as a nickel corner with considerable upside if/when he's a starter. Lucas would be unlikely to put up Marshall's stats as a nickel corner.

 
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Can't speak for the other staffers, but my rankings are based on an assumption that he stays in the same role he's played -- solid producer as a nickel corner with considerable upside if/when he's a starter. Lucas would be unlikely to put up Marshall's stats as a nickel corner.
Marshall has basically been the #1 DB when he has started, and startable in fantasy leagues most of the time when he hasn't - that's the basis for my rankings. He was top 20 among DBs in 06 and top 10 in 07, and thats without being a fulltime starter. He's a strong tackler, anticipates routes well, and he's always thinking "house" when he gets the ball in his hands. I just don't see how this guy is anything but a perennial top 5 DB once he gets the job.
 
Any more Connor info?
Only thing I found on the Panthers website
Speaking of linebackers ...

I just had a question about the linebackers for this year. Who do you think is going to start in our 4-3 defense? I personally think it will look like: MLB Jon Beason, OLB Thomas Davis, and OLB Landon Johnson. Although, I would love to see the young draft pick (Dan Connor) get in there, I think this is the best projection.

Melvin

Fayetteville, N.C.

That's a possibility, as Beason, Davis and Johnson have sometimes worked together on the field at summer school. Connor, though, is getting valuable experience on the field; he's also the one getting the playcall and passing it on to his fellow defenders when he's in there.

And on a semi-related note ... while NFL number restrictions prohibit him from having jersey number 44 when the regular season begins, I still love seeing him out there right now. For reasons I can't quite articulate, the number 44 seems to fit him as snugly as his helmet. Maybe it's the connotation it has with NFL toughness, having been worn by players such as John Riggins and Leroy Kelly. Of course, they were running backs – the very people Connor will be trying to take down.
 
Any more Connor info?
Only thing I found on the Panthers website
Speaking of linebackers ...

I just had a question about the linebackers for this year. Who do you think is going to start in our 4-3 defense? I personally think it will look like: MLB Jon Beason, OLB Thomas Davis, and OLB Landon Johnson. Although, I would love to see the young draft pick (Dan Connor) get in there, I think this is the best projection.

Melvin

Fayetteville, N.C.

That's a possibility, as Beason, Davis and Johnson have sometimes worked together on the field at summer school. Connor, though, is getting valuable experience on the field; he's also the one getting the playcall and passing it on to his fellow defenders when he's in there.

And on a semi-related note ... while NFL number restrictions prohibit him from having jersey number 44 when the regular season begins, I still love seeing him out there right now. For reasons I can't quite articulate, the number 44 seems to fit him as snugly as his helmet. Maybe it's the connotation it has with NFL toughness, having been worn by players such as John Riggins and Leroy Kelly. Of course, they were running backs – the very people Connor will be trying to take down.
I found this too:
Team likes added value of Penn State linebacker Connor

By Darin Gantt · The Herald; daringantt@carolina.rr.com

Updated 06/10/08 - 12:39 AM |

The Panthers chose the Penn State linebacker -- the Nittany Lions' all-time leading tackler -- even though they didn't have an immediate spot for him. But after watching linebackers drop like flies a year ago, they were going to brace themselves for a repeat this year.

"It's a position that's hard to find once you're in the season, and it's a spot where you see a lot of injuries," Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said. "You never know what spot you're going to have a run on, but with that being such an extremely physical position, you have to have some flexibility there."

The Panthers learned that first-hand last summer.

When Na'il Diggs came up lame and Jon Beason held out for eight days at the start of training camp, it became hard to practice because of the linebacker shortage. This was when Dan Morgan wasn't taking any of the contact work because of his concussion problems the year before, so even a hamstring pull by a reserve (Brandon Jamison) made getting through the day a challenge.

There was a point in camp when they had just six fully functional linebackers, including two rookies and a French exchange student (camp loaner Phillipe Gardent). Then backup/special teamer Terrence Melton went down for the year in August, clearing Beason's spot just in time. The season started and Morgan went down in Week 3, which caused more shuffling of positions. They even tried James Anderson -- who was close to making the roster this year -- in the middle before giving the job to Beason.

That's why Connor was more than just a luxury buy.

The rookie said he's taking most of his work in the middle -- where he's running with the third team behind Beason and Adam Seward. But they also want him peeking at weakside, where he's at best third behind Diggs and free agent pickup Landon Johnson.

"In this system specifically, I'd say the middle because that's what I've been doing so far," Connor said of his most natural spot. "The more I start to get comfortable with the middle, I'm going to try to learn the other ones to make myself as useful as possible.

"I'm trying to do as much as I can handle, try to get it all in at once. Studying the playbook each night to try to get it down more and more. It's an ongoing battle, me versus the playbook."

They think he's smart enough to eventually be productive at middle or weakside, and when they paid for Johnson, part of the reason was they lacked a guy who could play all three after Chris Draft left.

For the time being, that's traffic for Connor to fight through, and he knows much of this year will be spent running down kicks. To his credit, he's not griping about his lot.

"In the long run, I think it's going to be more beneficial," Connor said. "There are guys who have been around forever. And they can give me tips during practice, on how to play, how to pick things up.

"In the long run of my career, I think I'll be thankful to come to a place with so many great linebackers."

Of course, they think he might become one, too. Like Connor, they were a bit surprised when he was there at the 74th overall pick, figuring some pedestrian 40-yard dash times (4.66- and 4.67-second times at his pro day) might have been what sent him plummeting.

"To be honest, I thought it helped me," Connor said. "Because some people thought I'd run slower than that."

But the more the Panthers watched the tape, and the more they thought about the mess they were in at times last year, the 40 times became inconsequential, or at least not anything to make them pass.

"You look at a guy's production, and what you see during the games has to be the first thing," Hurney said. "That's what you have to make a decision on. The other stuff's part of the choice, like a lot of other things are, but it can't be the main factor.

"You look to see if the guy's a football player, because that's what you're drafting him to do."
LinkSounds to me like he's going to be a backup at MLB and WLB, and will be playing more special teams than anything else this year, at least as things now seem. Beason's injury, though, is a good thing for his development as he's getting lots of reps and seems to be developing just as they would have him develop.

 

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