Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
I see training camp threads about several teams, but haven't seen anything on Car. Has anyone heard how D. Williams is doing?
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Carolina RB battle (1 Viewer)
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Only thing I've heard is that DWilliams has been carrying pads and helmets for the vets. 
Franknbeans
Footballguy
There is no battle. Fox is loyal to his veterans. Until Foster pulls up lame, it's his job.
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
I believe its a matter of when not if, and there is a battle for the #2 spot.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Agreed.
H.K.
Footballguy
There is no battle for the starting spot. period.
Link to article where Foster is starter
Link to article where Foster is starter
Another article on Eric Shelton being in a tough spot to make the team
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
That is the standard company line and I think you're buying into it a little too much and it's negating your future vision. If you get around the standard line you will see that the Panters expect Williams to push for the job. Sure they haven't announced a battle or given him the job outright but he's there as a 1st round pick and he will push Foster for the job. The gear lugging article means nothing. He's a rookie and all rookies do something like that in one form or another.
simey
Footballguy
This is what Fox said yesterday:
On how rookie running back DeAngelo Williams has handled the transition from college to pro football: It's a different transition. You are going from one level of competition to another. So far, he has handled that well. We've still got a long time to go, and he's coming along good.
On Williams being overwhelmed when camp started: Any time you make a level jump, there is an adjustment phase. It's a new level. It's like going from j.v. to varsity. He's making that transition and he's capable. It's like anything else. The more you do it, the better you get, and he's improving everyday.
On veteran running back DeShaun Foster mentoring Williams: There are a lot of skills to the position. It's not just running the ball. You have to understand protections. You have to block when called upon. Those are the little things. Probably the hardest adjustment for a rookie running back coming into the National Football League is protections. There is a lot of coaching going on, including by football players on the team.
On Foster trying to avoid the injury bug this season: It's not like we've come into camp saying, "Well, he's just going to get injured again." It's part of the game, and you try to avoid it. There's really not any way you can. He's come to camp in great shape every year and he came in great shape this year. When healthy he's got all of the tools it takes to be a dominant player in this League.
On how Foster's role has changed now that he is the featured running back: He's gone into a lot of games as the number one guy. He did it back in '03 in a big spot when Stephen (Davis) pulled a hamstring in the St. Louis game. He did it a couple of years ago in Kansas City and had a big day. There're been more than that. He's done it. It's not a matter of whether he can. Stephen Davis is gone now, and DeShaun is stepping into that role and we're counting on DeAngelo and some other guys to fill in when needed.
On how rookie running back DeAngelo Williams has handled the transition from college to pro football: It's a different transition. You are going from one level of competition to another. So far, he has handled that well. We've still got a long time to go, and he's coming along good.
On Williams being overwhelmed when camp started: Any time you make a level jump, there is an adjustment phase. It's a new level. It's like going from j.v. to varsity. He's making that transition and he's capable. It's like anything else. The more you do it, the better you get, and he's improving everyday.
On veteran running back DeShaun Foster mentoring Williams: There are a lot of skills to the position. It's not just running the ball. You have to understand protections. You have to block when called upon. Those are the little things. Probably the hardest adjustment for a rookie running back coming into the National Football League is protections. There is a lot of coaching going on, including by football players on the team.
On Foster trying to avoid the injury bug this season: It's not like we've come into camp saying, "Well, he's just going to get injured again." It's part of the game, and you try to avoid it. There's really not any way you can. He's come to camp in great shape every year and he came in great shape this year. When healthy he's got all of the tools it takes to be a dominant player in this League.
On how Foster's role has changed now that he is the featured running back: He's gone into a lot of games as the number one guy. He did it back in '03 in a big spot when Stephen (Davis) pulled a hamstring in the St. Louis game. He did it a couple of years ago in Kansas City and had a big day. There're been more than that. He's done it. It's not a matter of whether he can. Stephen Davis is gone now, and DeShaun is stepping into that role and we're counting on DeAngelo and some other guys to fill in when needed.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Whats this "battle" you speak of?
The only battle is Williams and Shelton fighting it out for the backup spot to Foster.
The only battle is Williams and Shelton fighting it out for the backup spot to Foster.
Warpig
Footballguy
What's so hard for people to understand about this? You can't base your season PREDICTING injuries. Foster is due and this could be his breakout year. Then maybe he signs a FA deal somewhere else next year. Williams is returning punts for now and will spell Foster. He won't become the starter unless Foster is injured. And if you wanna draft your team by predicting injuries and cling to the possiblity that Foster MIGHT go down...I feel sorry for your team.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
That's the real sticking point in Williams' situation. You never want to bank on an injury because, in the long run, it's just bad odds. Then again, you look at Foster's track record and if there ever was a guy to bank on an injury, he would be it. He's been primed for a breakout season every year since he entered the league. I think selecting Williams will come down to the question of how long can you hang on to him before he starts. If you're in a deep keeper league then he's great but taking him in a redraft too high will require some serious justification.
jurb26
Footballguy
Whats so hard to understand about all of this:
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I agree with everything in that statement except the word 'good'. Replace that with 'healthy' and I think you really nail the point. However, I certainly would agree that an unhealthy RB is not a 'good' RB from an overall point of view. I like Foster's 4.1 ypc and he has some really shifty moves as well as good speed and power. It would be nice to see what he could do in a full season but he just hasn't shown he can stay healthy. I agree with Jurb to an extent and with Warpig to an extent. It is Foster's job to lose but I think to just blindly follow that and not consider the fact that Foster can be considered one the least healthy players in fantasy football is just naive.
gregjcross
Footballguy
I an a Foster owner with no handcuff to D.Will,
While i believe, (if relatively healthy), Deshaun is a lock as a season starter due to his veteran role, it looks like D.Will would get some time and that both would see love from the coach.
Now the real question: Can the CAR run game be as dominant as they would like it to be?
I think the potential is there for one to have a 1,000-1,200 yard season and the other to get 700 yards and some imperssive catches etc.
Guessing which is healthy or mature enough, i cannot really do consideirng Foster's track record.
The whole fantasy world is betting HARD against Foster but if i was in a redraft i would not draft one without the other. No friggin way.
While i believe, (if relatively healthy), Deshaun is a lock as a season starter due to his veteran role, it looks like D.Will would get some time and that both would see love from the coach.
Now the real question: Can the CAR run game be as dominant as they would like it to be?
I think the potential is there for one to have a 1,000-1,200 yard season and the other to get 700 yards and some imperssive catches etc.
Guessing which is healthy or mature enough, i cannot really do consideirng Foster's track record.
The whole fantasy world is betting HARD against Foster but if i was in a redraft i would not draft one without the other. No friggin way.
H.K.
Footballguy
This year Foster will start, and barring injury, be the feature RB. This is a team many expect to go deep in the playoffs, and Fox will stick with his vets. Could Williams earn time this season and challenge for the starting role in a year or two? Absolutely. I am certain they drafted him for that purpose, but anyone in Charlotte who knows anything about the team will echo my statements.
Buckychudd
Footballguy
jestertj
Footballguy
Keep up all the negative talk, the farther he slides the better his value. His talent is worth the risk. And for those looking at his stats over the last 3 years, I watched Stephen Davis score plenty of sort yardage touchdowns. If Foster finally gets those opportunities, look out.
mike303
Footballguy
It seems to me like Foster represents good value at the point where he is typically available. Foster is a solid RB on a team coached by a guy who likes to run the football. He doesn't have to be a hall-of-famer to outperform his average draft position. If he lands in the third to fourth round and gets me 1000 yards and 7 TDs, all the better.
I don't mind if Foster misses two or three games because I can get production from someone else if I know he's out. It's when he remains healthy but only gets 10-12 carries per game that he really hurts your team.
I don't mind if Foster misses two or three games because I can get production from someone else if I know he's out. It's when he remains healthy but only gets 10-12 carries per game that he really hurts your team.
nygiants56
Footballguy
diesel7982 said:
this is eerily similar to Robert Smith's last season in Minnesota..everyone thought he was a chump because he was constantly getting hurt, but he finally lasted one full year and led the league in rushing if I'm not mistaken..( then retired)perhaps this is Foster's year to stay healthy.if so, you won't hear a peep from D'williams.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I agree. However, Williams will push for the job and with Foster's injury history I don't think that will be any large stretch.H.K. said:
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
The 2nd string. I just wanted to know how Williams is doing, nothing more, nothing less.diesel7982 said:
Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
Its not predicting injuries, just opertunities. I'm in a keep 10 league, so these type players are important to my league. I guess you would have felt sorry for me when I drafted S. Alexander as Watters backup or C. Portis as Anderson's or LJ as Priest's or S. Jackson as Faulks. My keepers are solid and whether it be Williams, Morany, White, Addia, I don't need them this year anyway and am looking at talent and conversion to the NFL game. I want my pick to be as educated as possible and I haven't heard anything on Williams, hence the post! Whats so hard for you to understand!Warpig said:
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I disagree simply because I don't think you have enough information to support that claim. Williams is one of the NCAA's most productive backs. He was taken in the 1st round. He's playing behind a very injury prone starter in Foster. Also, Foster is scheduled to make ridiculous money in 2007 and 2008 ( I believe 4.5 mil and 4.7 mil respectively). Considering these facts, I think the Panthers organization want to see what this kid can do sooner rather than later.
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H.K.
Footballguy
In principle, you are on the money. However, "seeing what he can do" is much different than annointing him as the feature RB in a season where many predict this team as a Super Bowl favorite. The other side of the business equation you mentioned is that this year will determine if Foster can take them to the promised land and be worthy of his future contract value.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I agree totally! I certainly don't want to give the impression that I'm annointing him the starter. That would be crazy. I'm just trying to quantify how big of a role he will play this season. If Foster goes down early in the year there should be a RBBC period as they search for a starter and Williams continues to learn. If Foster goes down later in the year and Williams has had a chance to learn then I think it's more probable he becomes the starter (or at least more of a lead dog in a RBBC). Lastly, if Foster stays healthy throughout the entire season I still think Williams gets on the field on a consistent basis to spell him. Assuming Williams picks up the offense and learns well in all cases.
oddball
Smart
The last 3 seasons, I've avoided Marshall Faulk like the plague. I think his ADP 3 years ago was 2.08 or something. Crazy to me. Painfully obvious he wouldn't make it through half the season. Same with Priest the last 2 seasons. ADP of RD 2-3. Stayed as far away from him as possible. Drafted LJ 4th round, collected my cash in Feb. How comfortable would you be drafting Corey Buckhulter this year? Dom Davis is another one who gets injured easily and often. Yes, I would draft him, but only if he's still around in the 5-6 round range. That ain't gonna happen though. There are players who are just injury prone. Foster is one of them.Warpig said:
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
You can quote stats of his part-time all you want.Anyone who saw him at the end of the year - when he was the starter - knows that he is the real deal.If he can avoid injury he can play. Period.
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DeShaun Foster practice notes
Our Carolina Panthers correspondent reports from Wofford College (Spartanburg, SC) that RB DeShaun Foster took almost all of the first-team reps over the first 4 days of camp, even on 3rd down/passing drills, and looked very good in the process. Nick Goings and rookie DeAngelo Williams took 2nd-team halfback reps and made nice plays but Foster is the man right now. "He's the truth, he's the big boss in the backfield," our source says. Of course, Foster has always dazzled onlookers (in camp or in games) but ends up on IR in 3 of the last 4 seasons. That said, we're gonna take another tiny sip of Foster Kool-Aid and inch him up the MVP Board.
Posted on Aug 01, 2006 - 6:25 PM
Deshuan will be a top ten RB this year. Write it down!!!!
Our Carolina Panthers correspondent reports from Wofford College (Spartanburg, SC) that RB DeShaun Foster took almost all of the first-team reps over the first 4 days of camp, even on 3rd down/passing drills, and looked very good in the process. Nick Goings and rookie DeAngelo Williams took 2nd-team halfback reps and made nice plays but Foster is the man right now. "He's the truth, he's the big boss in the backfield," our source says. Of course, Foster has always dazzled onlookers (in camp or in games) but ends up on IR in 3 of the last 4 seasons. That said, we're gonna take another tiny sip of Foster Kool-Aid and inch him up the MVP Board.
Posted on Aug 01, 2006 - 6:25 PM
Deshuan will be a top ten RB this year. Write it down!!!!
DeShaun Foster practice notes
Our Carolina Panthers correspondent reports from Wofford College (Spartanburg, SC) that RB DeShaun Foster took almost all of the first-team reps over the first 4 days of camp, even on 3rd down/passing drills, and looked very good in the process. Nick Goings and rookie DeAngelo Williams took 2nd-team halfback reps and made nice plays but Foster is the man right now. "He's the truth, he's the big boss in the backfield," our source says. Of course, Foster has always dazzled onlookers (in camp or in games) but ends up on IR in 3 of the last 4 seasons. That said, we're gonna take another tiny sip of Foster Kool-Aid and inch him up the MVP Board.
Posted on Aug 01, 2006 - 6:25 PM
Deshuan will be a top ten RB this year. Write it down!!!!
Our Carolina Panthers correspondent reports from Wofford College (Spartanburg, SC) that RB DeShaun Foster took almost all of the first-team reps over the first 4 days of camp, even on 3rd down/passing drills, and looked very good in the process. Nick Goings and rookie DeAngelo Williams took 2nd-team halfback reps and made nice plays but Foster is the man right now. "He's the truth, he's the big boss in the backfield," our source says. Of course, Foster has always dazzled onlookers (in camp or in games) but ends up on IR in 3 of the last 4 seasons. That said, we're gonna take another tiny sip of Foster Kool-Aid and inch him up the MVP Board.
Posted on Aug 01, 2006 - 6:25 PM
Deshuan will be a top ten RB this year. Write it down!!!!
Sorry I missed that last blurb...could you repeat it?
wannabee
Footballguy
Panthers RB Eric Shelton is "coming alive"
Published Tue Aug 1 9:25:00 a.m. ET 2006
(Rotoworld) Panthers RB Eric Shelton is "coming alive" according to the Panthers coaching staff.
Impact: Last year's second-rounder had a disastrous rookie training camp. Now he's just fighting for a roster spot. If the Panthers can trust him in short-yardage situations, he'll have a good chance.
Published Tue Aug 1 9:25:00 a.m. ET 2006
(Rotoworld) Panthers RB Eric Shelton is "coming alive" according to the Panthers coaching staff.
Impact: Last year's second-rounder had a disastrous rookie training camp. Now he's just fighting for a roster spot. If the Panthers can trust him in short-yardage situations, he'll have a good chance.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
I humbly disagree. Deshaun Foster is a chump.
M
MLBrandow
Guest
CAR RB will be a top-10 RB, as they have been for the last 3 seasons.But Foster will not.
You can write that down.
-HONK- if you like DWill.
Give Foster three games. He'll be on IR after the TB game, or on the bench.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think this is an overlooked point. Yes, Williams was drafted in the 1st round, but that doesn't automatically mean he was brought in to start right away. Same has held for other RBs drafted in the 1st - e.g., McGahee, Deuce, S-Jax. While those guys had more proven incumbents, Williams also has one.Williams will have his day, but probably not this year unless/until Foster goes down. But as others have said, I'm not going to bank on Foster getting hurt since you never know.
if foster doesn't get hurt (i like the robert smith analogy & have thought the same thing myself) & plays like he did in the last few games of the season, what is his upside?
1,300+ yards & 6-8 TDs
how many other RBs that can be found in rounds 3-4 & after are sure things & have that kind of upside?
1,300+ yards & 6-8 TDs
how many other RBs that can be found in rounds 3-4 & after are sure things & have that kind of upside?
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kupcho1
Footballguy
Actually, I think the upside is higher - again, if he plays the entire season - particularly TDs.
BigRed
Footballguy
Good point, "MBran"
GDB that gay first letter of first name + last name nicknamey BS.Is WILLIAMS really that hard to type?[/haven't had coffee yet rant]Anyway I wouldn't touch either of these guys.
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Warpig
Footballguy
Thus the value!Good point, "MBran"
GDB that gay first letter of first name + last name nicknamey BS.
Is WILLIAMS really that hard to type?
[/haven't had coffee yet rant]
Anyway I wouldn't touch either of these guys.
Jayrod
Footballguy
The thing I can't get past with this situation is it's fantasy value. Few teams run the ball like Carolina...they are kind of like Denver Jr.....plug in about any back and out comes production.
The big difference in CAR is that Foster is the clear cut starter to begin. He will get spelled by Williams from time to time for sure (and Goins sometimes), but I see a minimum of 80% of the carries going to Foster. That is, of course, if he stays healthy. And with his history, that should certainly be a legit fear.
Fantasy wise, Foster is a notch below Corey Dillon...both #1 backs in a good system, but injury-prone with an anxious rookie in waiting. Worthy of 4th round picks, but too much risk to take any sooner.
The big difference in CAR is that Foster is the clear cut starter to begin. He will get spelled by Williams from time to time for sure (and Goins sometimes), but I see a minimum of 80% of the carries going to Foster. That is, of course, if he stays healthy. And with his history, that should certainly be a legit fear.
Fantasy wise, Foster is a notch below Corey Dillon...both #1 backs in a good system, but injury-prone with an anxious rookie in waiting. Worthy of 4th round picks, but too much risk to take any sooner.
kupcho1
Footballguy
I see them as two elevators headed in the opposite direction: Foster going up, Dillon going down, career- and stat expectations-wise.Of course the cable could snap on either one of them and come crashing down, but the upside on Foster is far higher in my opinion.IF Foster was to go down I'm not totally sold on the fact that D. Williams will be the featured back like everyone thinks he will be. Carolina has a lot riding on this season, something tells me Goings might be the one who gets the carries but D. Williams being used more. Going is a proven back that has alot of experience for a backup and down the road when Carolina is in the thick of thing that might be big.
Only my two cents.
Only my two cents.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I don't care if there's really a competition for the #1 job or not. I want to know if DWilliams will be the #2, or if Fox will place a vet as the #2.
I think a lot of people have doubts about Foster as a feature back, so knowing if DWill will be the guy to step in should DFoster falter/get injured or if Fox will go with vet like Nick Goings (even if he's listed as a FB currently) is important.
I think a lot of people have doubts about Foster as a feature back, so knowing if DWill will be the guy to step in should DFoster falter/get injured or if Fox will go with vet like Nick Goings (even if he's listed as a FB currently) is important.
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
This is probably a question Panther coaches can't answer right now. I agree that it's an important issue, as getting the feature back in Carolina should Foster go down could be very big, but I think it's too early to answer that question until we see DeAngelo in preseason action.
