roadkill1292
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Zow said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ex-florida-m-band-member-year-jail-hazing-article-1.1738347comfortably numb said:
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Carrying Pads as "Hazing" (1 Viewer)
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VA703
Footballguy
somewhat similar, except the flagpole would be right in front of the school so everyone would see it
my other highschool didn't do anything like this so I guess its all different per locale
I wonder if any highschool did anything similar to Dayzed & Confused with the paddles
HellToupee
Footballguy
I would have slapped you silly then pants you back in HSOfficer Pete Malloy said:HellToupee said:team building & right of passage
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The kid in this story is autistic. No tolerance at all for that behavior. I think most on this board can differentiate between a freshman soccer hot shot and a student with a learning disability. Certainly any coach should, and those that can't should be punished to the fullest extent!
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
The ethnic breakdown of the team being discussed here (Sayreville Bombers) is prob somewhere between 30-60% African AmericanZow said:
The Commish
Footballguy
They can tell them whatever they want and the freshmen/sophomores can tell them to pound sand if they want. What should I care either way??
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
now a days those same kids that were duct taped to the flagpole are the ones coming back to school with assualt weapons, I don't think the teachers are looking the other way anymore.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And where exactly are you expected to "carry" them?Sinn Fein said:
comfortably numb
Footballguy
You keep moving the line based on how far the kids went and whether a kid is autistic.
My point is in this day and age, there is no room for it. However tame and innocent it may sound.
If i were a coach i would want no part of it. Something so small could cost me my career.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Going from carrying pads to anal rape and from normal kid to autism is moving the line? Pretty sure this is more common sense and less line moving
I'm just glad about 90% of this audience isn't bothered by stuff like carrying pads...
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Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
You know who else had no problem forcing people to do work just because they we in a different "class"?
Hitler.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Mr. Ected
Footballguy
As far as 'competitive' sports goes, does sailing count? It could get pretty rough out there on the Charles in Boston.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
The following are some examples of hazing divided into three categories: subtle,
harassment, and violent. It is impossible to list all possible hazing behaviors because
many are context-specific. While this is not an all-inclusive list, it provides some
common examples of hazing traditions.
More Examples.
A. SUBTLE HAZING:
Behaviors that emphasize a power imbalance between new members/rookies and other
members of the group or team. Termed “subtle hazing” because these types of hazing are often
taken-for-granted or accepted as “harmless” or meaningless. Subtle hazing typically involves
activities or attitudes that breach reasonable standards of mutual respect and place new
members/rookies on the receiving end of ridicule, embarrassment, and/or humiliation tactics. New
members/rookies often feel the need to endure subtle hazing to feel like part of the group or
team. (Some types of subtle hazing may also be considered harassment hazing).
Some Examples:
• Deception
• Assigning demerits
• Silence periods with implied threats for violation
• Deprivation of privileges granted to other members
• Requiring new members/rookies to perform duties not assigned to other members
• Socially isolating new members/rookies
• Line-ups and Drills/Tests on meaningless information
• Name calling
• Requiring new members/rookies to refer to other members with titles (e.g. “Mr.,” “Miss”)
while they are identified with demeaning terms
• Expecting certain items to always be in one's possession
B. HARASSMENT HAZING: Behaviors that cause emotional anguish or physical discomfort in
order to feel like part of the group. Harassment hazing confuses, frustrates, and causes undue
stress for new members/rookies. (Some types of harassment hazing can also be considered
violent hazing).
Some Examples:
• Verbal abuse
• Threats or implied threats
• Asking new members to wear embarrassing or humiliating attire
• Stunt or skit nights with degrading, crude, or humiliating acts
• Expecting new members/rookies to perform personal service to other members such as
carrying books, errands, cooking, cleaning etc
• Sleep deprivation
• Sexual simulations
• Expecting new members/rookies to be deprived of maintaining a normal schedule of
bodily cleanliness.
• Be expected to harass others
C. VIOLENT HAZING : Behaviors that have the potential to cause physical and/or emotional, or
psychological harm.
harassment, and violent. It is impossible to list all possible hazing behaviors because
many are context-specific. While this is not an all-inclusive list, it provides some
common examples of hazing traditions.
More Examples.
A. SUBTLE HAZING:
Behaviors that emphasize a power imbalance between new members/rookies and other
members of the group or team. Termed “subtle hazing” because these types of hazing are often
taken-for-granted or accepted as “harmless” or meaningless. Subtle hazing typically involves
activities or attitudes that breach reasonable standards of mutual respect and place new
members/rookies on the receiving end of ridicule, embarrassment, and/or humiliation tactics. New
members/rookies often feel the need to endure subtle hazing to feel like part of the group or
team. (Some types of subtle hazing may also be considered harassment hazing).
Some Examples:
• Deception
• Assigning demerits
• Silence periods with implied threats for violation
• Deprivation of privileges granted to other members
• Requiring new members/rookies to perform duties not assigned to other members
• Socially isolating new members/rookies
• Line-ups and Drills/Tests on meaningless information
• Name calling
• Requiring new members/rookies to refer to other members with titles (e.g. “Mr.,” “Miss”)
while they are identified with demeaning terms
• Expecting certain items to always be in one's possession
B. HARASSMENT HAZING: Behaviors that cause emotional anguish or physical discomfort in
order to feel like part of the group. Harassment hazing confuses, frustrates, and causes undue
stress for new members/rookies. (Some types of harassment hazing can also be considered
violent hazing).
Some Examples:
• Verbal abuse
• Threats or implied threats
• Asking new members to wear embarrassing or humiliating attire
• Stunt or skit nights with degrading, crude, or humiliating acts
• Expecting new members/rookies to perform personal service to other members such as
carrying books, errands, cooking, cleaning etc
• Sleep deprivation
• Sexual simulations
• Expecting new members/rookies to be deprived of maintaining a normal schedule of
bodily cleanliness.
• Be expected to harass others
C. VIOLENT HAZING : Behaviors that have the potential to cause physical and/or emotional, or
psychological harm.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
So does that mean that you make other guys carry the pads because you think you're better than them?
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Good grief, I was on the HS football team as a manager, and I got FAR more abuse than any player (freshmen don't play on the varsity generally at my HS - it was mostly juniors and seniors with the occasional sophomore. Balls thrown and kicked at me, fix my helmet, where's my brace.
Egad, it's a wonder I'm not permanently in a corner sucking my thumb and clutching a teddy bear.
Egad, it's a wonder I'm not permanently in a corner sucking my thumb and clutching a teddy bear.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
How big of a wussy do you have to be that you can't carry your own pads after practice?
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
How much better to get someone else to carry them for you? I hope you're heaping this kind of scorn on Tom Sawyer for tricking other people to whitewash the fence for him.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Big scrimmage today, maybe 25-30 people were heavily involved, the other 35-40 (mostly comprised of underclassmen) watched on the sidelines... Maybe they played for 10 minutes while everyone else was hitting left and right for two hours. You're gassed and have to walk 1/4-1/2 mile carrying heavy equipment and you're sore. What is the big deal if Joe sideline carries the equipment. One day in a year or two, someone else will carry Joe sidelines equipment...
Jayrod
Footballguy
I just had an idea from this thread.
If I was a coach, I would have my seniors carry the pads for an underclassman every day during 2-a-days. Teach them the importance of the team first and that their #1 job isn't to keep the underclassman in their place, but to build them up so the team is better. Show them the value of being self-sacrificing.
Too preachy or so crazy it just might work?
If I was a coach, I would have my seniors carry the pads for an underclassman every day during 2-a-days. Teach them the importance of the team first and that their #1 job isn't to keep the underclassman in their place, but to build them up so the team is better. Show them the value of being self-sacrificing.
Too preachy or so crazy it just might work?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
To those that have a problem in regards to pads carrying....do you have a problem with other traditional rituals that I know of in regards to sports teams? There's a lot of instances where the elder statesmen of their various teams (be it high school, college,pro) get to get on/off buses and planes first; get to choose where they sit first; get to eat first; choose where their locker is first etc. etc.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Maybe the first year, but after that I think it could be shown as an honor. Once you are a senior, you get to carry an underclassman's pads. You are now the leader and are ready to teach the young bucks how its done.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
And I think that that's where any animosity to a "ritual bucker" would come from....the idea that this "thing" (presumably) has been going on for awhile...and who are you to break that tradition?
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Like I said before...once you let women into various men's clubs...then it all becomes about that "lets not make the little guy feel left out" and "lets not upset anyone " attitude of a good percentage of mothers.
SWC
Bromigo
brohans i do not think that carrying pads is hazing but i do think that the guys who get off on making other dudes do things and then post about it years afterwards like it was the high water mark of there lives and still use it to bolster there self image are complete dorks i mean you just sort of knew the type and smelled of loser me and my guys hell we just went and played ball and then were friends with our team mates because hey they were our friends and on our team none of that needed to involve making some other dude clean my cleats off or carry my helmet i guess nothing about me and my guys required that for us to feel good about ourselves but hey keep on keeping on with thinking that making a guy carry stuff somehow makes you better or builds something or another all it really says is hey everyone look at what a loser i am that this is cool to me bam another riddle solved by the old swcer take that to the bank brohans
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Listen up John Jacob BROSEFheimer Schmidt...
That's all I got.
That's all I got.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
I just reported your post. Nothing wrong with it, just some hazing from an '03 member to an '08.
Zow
Footballguy
Did these same seniors having to carry pads as a freshmen? If so, they aren't going to be too happy that they have to do double work.
Can't carry a set of pads and helmet after a scrimmage? How will they last in a big game without falling under the weight of their equipment? Wussification of America imo - "but mommy, I can't carry my stuff because its too heavy!!! waaa!!!"
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Just as an aside, when you read Dirk Hayhurst's book Out of My League, he talks about being in charge of the candy bag in the bullpen as he was the rookie. And it was in a Disney backpack IIRC...and Trevor Hoffman was one of the enforcers! Not some scrub, but Trevor Freaking Hoffman!!
Hayhurst seems to be getting along just fine. It doesn't seem to affect him in his current job covering the Blue Jays for Rogers Sportsnet.
HellToupee
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
huh? No. It's an old tradition. Similar things happen in most sports. The younger guys have to do things like that to be an integral part of the team. I don't see the problem. Suck it up and do a few meaningless tasks and it's all good.
Parrothead
Footballguy
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