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Cbaos O7 Mock Draft 1.0 (1 Viewer)

Chaos Commish

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If accuracy is the goal, a late November mock is an exercise in futility. That's understood in advance so perhaps spare me that grievance? Thanks.

If an early peak at possibilities, an introduction to and/or conversation about future NFL players, and an early discussion about team needs interests you, then this thread could work. My mocks change right up to the week of the draft. It's the learning process through constant correction that helps fuel my interest in the topic so-- team homers and college junkies-- all criticisms and suggestions are appreciated.

You may hate my selection order. Sorry. The first ten are all very near their current order. I fiddled with the 5-6 and 6-5 teams a little, and messed with playoff outcomes. It's all up in the air and open for input.

About next April's draft. I am mostly unimpressed with the depth and overall talent. The mid and late first round includes talent comparable to last year's early third round, imo. A year ago, Hank Baskett made round 1 of my first mock then proceeded to go undrafted (and fell out of my mocks too). He's a nice talent and a good example of last year's depth. Similar issues exist only at WR this year, and the lack of depth elsewhere should make mistakes like the one above less likely. The elite talent is quality for any year. The dropoff is early and deep.

Everyone seems to love these wide receivers and I am no different (not just the hyped top guns but a full top ten of big-time talent). I am going with Sidney Rice's current stance though. That's a tough hit to the elite depth at WR. He is not in this mock. He seems "reasonably" sincere in his committment to Spurrier for another season. I think it's 55-45 he stays, so whereas I usually stick the underclassmen in expecting them to declare, I'm going with Rice's early word in this early mock. Deep down I think Sidney recognizes a first round guarantee this year compared to a great shot at top 5 next year makes staying good risk management. And he says he's having fun and the Gamecocks can make a run.

I also like the QBs a lot and had to work to get four of them in this mock. A few intriguing and eligible QB talents whom I once predicted would be in this draft will not, but the QB talent and depth is still impressive. If you hate my decisions on QB team placement, oh well. I prolly got 'em wrong but dern it, 4 or 5 of them are going in the first round somehow some way. Any team's fans assigned a QB after Quinn are probably going to gripe. The real draft order will go a long way to sorting this out. I certainly could be wrong about these numbers, but I think 7 or more QBs from this class will be starting in the NFL eventually-- seriously.

After a couple gifted underclassman RBs I am not impressed with the rest of this group. Some solid TEs help make this shallow draft decent for long-term fantasy purposes-- WRs+++, QBs+++, TEs++, RBs- unless you get Peterson, Lynch (maybe Bush) or lucky. I do have a sleeper RB or two, but that'll have to wait.

The DTs and DEs tell a similar story. Some nice ones and a cliff, though more DEs are emerging than I expected. There isn't half as many quality LBs as last year, but the top tier is comparable. The DBs are solid and respectably deep, but again, nothing like last year's mob. The OL talent is shallow, decent at the top, but mostly unimpressive, sorry. If you're dreaming of rebuilding an OL through this draft, you probably are dreaming. There's a few nice players, but understand if I don't see your team addressing pressing OL needs in round one (later is probably more likely this year). I have all OLs but #1 generally downgraded, especially Sam Baker and Levi Brown who have not played up to their press clippings. However, I do agree the lack of significant depth elsewhere could launch a few more OLs into the first round.

* designates underclassmen

I'm barely commenting on these draftees, so feel free to ask questions or share insights. It's very early yet. Off we go...

1.01 Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin

Thomas is a great prospect with franchise LT potential. The Cards are a solid OL away from a dominant offense. Thomas should be available anywhere in the first four picks so regardless of where AZ lands he should be their target. I alphabetized the teams with worst records. AZ goes first, thus so does Thomas.

1.02 Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

Quinn's had an up and down season but the final numbers are ridiculous 35 tds, 5 picks, 63% completions... nice. Kitna, McCown and Orlovsky? I know they all have their fans, but meh. Quinn is better than any and he'll sell tickets. After the Harrington saga, this team deserves a franchise QB. Quinn is exactly that.

1.03 Oakland Raiders - Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma

I expect some readers will want me to switch 3 and 4 (most mocks do). I'm expecting Peterson to be top three and ahead of Calvin Johnson regardless of how the final order falls. I could see him 1st or 2nd, Johnson 2nd or 3rd (both before Quinn and Thomas). Raider fans may be screaming for an OL here. Uh, there isn't one worth it. Trading down could be an option. But Peterson is a force of nature who can instantly breathe life into that offense with or without Moss. I thought hard about another QB here and later mocks may reflect that. Brohm or Russell could skyrocket in this draft.

1.04 Cleveland Browns - Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech

The Browns have a great young receiver and many needs elsewhere, but you don't pass up on a sure thing with Johnson's potential. What a combo he and Edwards could be. Imagine if the OL stays healthy and reaches it's potential. Watch out for the Browns. I still think Romeo and Phil know what they're doing. The OL losses were too much too overcome and the D is still a work in progress (for later rounds). Calvin Johnson is elite. He falls no farther than this.

1.05 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

One could argue that Adams ends the elite "must draft" best available player talent in this draft. The above are probably the top five players. Simeon Rice isn't getting any younger and Adams has been as good as any DE in the country for two straight years. He's had a great season and made himself a rich man. Personally, I think the 4 above him are clearly separated from the pack and the deep DE pool makes this a dicey pick.

1.06 Houston Texans - LaRon Landry, S, LSU

Glenn Earl and CC Brown? Landry is a needed upgrade. I fell in love with a DB to be drafted later and set out to be a contrarian and argue him as the best DB in the country. So, I watched Landry and others very closely. Landry is amazing. Hits harder and more often than his brother who is starting for the Ravens as a rookie. Runs much faster, makes plays all over the field, intense ballhawk. Scary how good he could be. He's a can't miss star at safety and Houston's defense is still it's biggest problem.

1.07 Pittsburgh Steelers - Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan

Sorry EG, I had to chuckle when I saw the Steelers possibly this high, so I went with it. This is still a team without major weaknesses. I debated others before deciding on Branch. The guy's been a beast in all but the Buckeye game where he was doubled all day. He just ragdolls OLs-- a huge part of Michigan's success. At 6-6 330 he is way more than quick enough to play alongside Hampton and make Kimo a distant memory.

1.08 Washington Redskins - Tedd Ginn, Jr.*, WR, Ohio State

If I fire up the draft blog after the holidays, Ginn will get special attention. The myths need debunking. The player needs better understanding. One myth floating about is that Ginn has bad hands (he had a couple drops against Michigan). OSU HC Jim Tressell says he has the best hands on the team. I have seen enough snatches of difficult to catch balls to have no concerns about his hands. Who knows what the Skins do with a high draft pick if they don't trade it? Gibbs has won a Super Bowl with smaller speedy WRs. Ginn fits the mold, and is a very special talent.

1.09 Green Bay Packers - Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California

I can already hear the complaint, "This isn't fantasy football, it's the real NFL." Well this year, which isn't spectacular by NFL measures, is pretty cool for fantasy purposes. I'm generally the last one to emphasize offensive skill positions in a mock draft, but Lynch is a freak and the Packers are a prime candidate to snatch him up. There isn't much invested in Morency and Herron. Green could fill a Dillon role to Lynch's Maroney. Lynch is better than Maroney, imo btw. "I" would sure draft him if I was GB, and I'd do so knowing needed DBs run pretty deep in this draft.

1.10 Tennessee Titans - Dwayne Jarrett*, WR, Southern California

Yes another skill position. Jarrett's stock has been up and down since early this season. It is peaking since the Notre Dame performance but post season testing may downgrade it. I doubt the braintrust in Tennessee has moved him up or down a bit as they know him well. Vince needs help and Jarrett seems like a good match (understanding opinions on these WRs vary).

1.11 Buffalo Bills - Brian Brohm*, QB, Louisville

I know, another offensive ball handler type guy. I know. Losman is coming around and it's still too early to give up on him. Holcomb is around to pick up messes and Nall has starter potential of his own. It's not exactly like Detroit because of JP's youth, but still, this team has been too long without a franchise grade QB, and that is exactly what Brohm is. He may be better than Quinn who I think is better than Leinart. It's not like Buffalo is predictable and does what the masses expect. Will 7 of the first 11 be skill position players? Probably not. Odds are against it, but it's possible and more importantly these are the best available players, imo.

1.12 Atlanta Falcons - Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia

Currently there's a plaintive wail crying for Falcon WRs to catch the expertly thrown passes of Michael Vick. At 1.12 there will very likely be an elite WR available, but not in this mock unless you love the pitcher from Notre Dame. Anyway, Lelie, White, Jenkins... they still have excellent potential. It's not their most pressing need. Able bodies pressuring the QB is the biggest problem I see in Atlanta. Moses at his best plays like Abraham. He has not been at his best this year and rumors abound about his uninspired effort. Nevertheless, he was once considered the possible #1 overall. He is a freak athlete. He could fall more, but he should stop the bleeding in workouts, and the local hero thing works for me before a longer fall.

1.13 Miami Dolphins - Darrelle Revis*, CB, Pittsburgh

Another team whining for WR. There seems to be a consensus among the online drafnik/guru/experts that Leon Hall is the #1 CB. I disagree. Hall has played great, looks great, may be great, but no doubt he benefits from tremendous surrounding talent. I've seen Revis do things that are above and beyond the rest of the corners in this draft. He's a great talent. When all the poking and prodding is done, I expect him to go very high. If not, he'll be a steal. A diehard Dolphin draft expert is assuring me they will go DL here. He assured me after the mock was done, so I'm not changing now. OL is just as likely perhaps? Revis rocks.

1.14 Minnesota Vikings - Michael Griffin, S, Texas

The Vikings lead the league in run defense because they are second to last against the pass. Why bother running? What's the deal Vike fans? Smoot and Winfield are solid. Nevertheless, Griffin comes out with an exceptional grade. Sharper is aging. Smith has his moments but isn't a long-term answer at safety. Griffin makes sense to me at this point. He's a borderline elite talent reminiscent of a young Sharper.

1.15 San Francisco 49ers - Leon Hall, CB Michigan

Walt Harris has had a nice season in SF, but he's too old to be a starting corner. SF needs a future opposite Spencer, and Hall (should he last this long and be up to the hype) would be a great addition to a vastly improved team. I confess to not being as high on Hall as most. Anybody catch him against the Buckeyes? Uh... I understand Ginn and Gonzo are excellent, but come on, make some plays. So he makes the top 15 based primarily on 9er needs and "other" opinions which I respect.

1.16 Philadelphia Eagles - Paul Posluzny, LB, Penn State

Get used to seeing this pick in just about every mock. That probably means it won't happen, but the Eagles need to solve their LB problems. Posluzny would have been a first rounder last year if he declared and was healthy. He has made a seamless recovery and staying in school hasn't cost him a bunch of money. Good for him. Nice player where ever he ends up. Should have a long productive career.

1.17 St Louis Rams - Patrick Willis, LB, Mississippi

The Rams are terrible against the run. Witherspoon was a step in the right direction, but they still need sure tacklers. A better tackler than Willis cannot be found in this draft. He's a meaner, bigger hitting version of DeMeco Ryans without the incredible intangibles, though his intangibles are good. He's a tackle machine who many thought could have been a first rounder last year. Ryans opened the 2nd round as a steal and Willis had an almost identical grade. He also gives the Rams the option to move Spoon to WLB as Willis is capable of playing any LB slot in the Rams scheme. They could go for a DT to plug their soft underbelly, but Wroten is going to be good and the DTs below do not grade like Willis, imo.

1.18 New York Jets - LaMarr Woodley, DE, Michigan

Woodley is the real deal. What a great season he had. Projecting here as a 3/4 OLB capable of playing 4-3 DE in the Jets hybrid schemes, this seems like a nice fit. The Jets are impressively headed in the right direction. An explosive pass rusher like Woodley is one of the missing ingredients. Best to nab him here and worry about the other pieces later.

1.19 Jacksonville Jaguars - JaMarcus Russell*, QB, LSU

Russell may be the most polarizing player in this draft. What is it with black QBs? Silly if you ask me. This kid has the strongest arm in the history of civilization. He can put the ball in orbit round the moon and land it back in the stadium. He's also a solid leader and a tough competitor. His decision making has been a little sketchy here and there, but that can usually be said of any QB in the SEC. I think he's a freak, a stud, better than Leftwich or Garrard, as good as Quinn and Brohm, just different. Completing 68% of his passes in that conference as an underclassman... are you kidding me? Auburn and Florida got the best of him early, but since Oct 7th he's been the best performing QB in the country. He could go earlier in this draft.

1.20 New York Giants - Glenn Dorsey*, DT, LSU

The Giants are tough to predict. Statistically they are only top 10 running the ball. The interior DL is improved, still not very good, though it has dominating moments. Pierce could use help at LB (depth and health are issues), and the secondary remains mediocre. I know they found a nice DT late in the draft last year, but it seems to me they need to keep pressing that spot. Like they did DE for a couple years. They will eventually find what they're looking for. Dorsey may not declare, but if he did it would be because the Draft Advisory Board told him what I believe-- first rounder, no doubt. So believing that means I expect him to come out even though most are currently expecting the opposite.

1.21 Kansas City Chiefs - Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio State

When I think of Pitcock, I think of Tamba Hali in a DTs body. The Chiefs were very happy to land Hali around this spot last year. I think they stay focussed on the same issues and bring fresh meat and legs into the middle of the D-line. Pitcock is generally regarded as the best senior DT in the draft. He's always been a rock against the run and this year he's unleashed a fierce pass rush for the nation's top team.

1.22 Denver Broncos - Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame

Abiamiri's career has been a poor man's version of Mario Williams' days at NC State. He's great against bad teams, piles up numbers, then disappears into the shadows of his teammates against better competition. Sometimes he flashes amazing ability. The intangibles are solid. The measureables should be impressive. Shanahan loves speed and it's time he find some for his defensive line. There's a couple DEs I like better but I'm anticipating measureables separating Abiamiri. I could be wrong about this one. Imagine that? Tamba wha... ?

1.23 Carolina Panthers - Justin Blalock, OL, Texas

Hey another OL makes the mock. Carolina has good RBs despite the many opinions bouncing around sites like this. Edge is a good RB in AZ. Sometimes, most times, the OL is the story, and I think it is the problem in Carolina. Blalock is the best run blocker in this draft. He can play guard or tackle. He is a road grader of the highest order. I guess he could fall like John Scott did a year ago, but I have a feeling his run blocking and versatility will be the difference.

1.24 Cincinnatti Bengals - Eric Weddle, DB, Utah

Here's the DB I have been gushing over for about a year now. I still think he could be the best of the lot when all is said and done. Weddle got mad game. He can play any position in the secondary and can even switch sides and play some RB. Scored four TDs against SDSU this year-- two as a safety and two as an RB. I watched him completely dismantle Calvin Johnson last year. It was four quarters of total domination of an elite WR. I've seen him take over three other games in the last two years, and I mean take over. Reminds me of Ronnie Lott.

1.25 New England (from Seattle) - Michael Bush, RB, Louisville

No way you say? This is the team that drafted TEs in the first round in back to back years only to add two more TEs the following year. Let's face it, we don't know who they'll draft, but we know Belichick likes his toys. Bush is representing nice value about here. He is great insurance for a Maroney or Dillon injury, a better receiver than both and considering the way this mock unfolded... well, there he is, so here's something to talk about. Also, during a Louisville game this season, the announcer was discussing Bush on the sidelines and said a couple NFL scouts have told him they see him as an HBack multi purpose player, not a grind it out feature RB. I concur. I think the Pats think like that too. (OK fine, find a spot for Bush. He went undrafted in my rough draft.)

1.26 New England Patriots - Marcus McCauley, CB, Fresno State

Yeah, I'm going with the Fresno connection here rather than try to figure out the enigmatic Pats. I'm a little tired of typing at pick 26. McCauley has had a tough year. You'll hear about how he was better than Richard Marshall last year. It isn't true. Marshall was incredible and he currently looks like the best corner from last year's draft. McCauley wasn't far behind him, he just wasn't better. He does have better measureables and he is as solid in man coverage as any college corner in memory, but not quite the ball skills, run support, or playmaking ability of Marshall. Still the skillset of a shut down corner is there and the Pats could use that.

1.27 New Orleans Saints - Buster Davis, LB, Florida State

A couple months back in the IDP forum I said I thought Buster would be a third rounder. He had a great game and I was subduing hype. Uh, he kept having great games, and as a first rounder he's a nice example of the missing depth in this draft. The knock on him is height, but Zach Thomas, London Fletcher and others have overcome being short in the middle. The Saints need a playmaking tackling machine and Buster could be very good after all. He has a great nose for the ball. While many will harp on his shortness, I think he can only go up from here in this draft.

1.28 San Diego Chargers - Jeff Samardzija, WR, Notre Dame

The Shark (I hate the nickname less than typing the real name) is another polarizing player. Some love him. Some hate him. Few fall inbetween. I think he's terrific. Last I heard our friend Sigmund Bloom didn't care for him. I don't want to argue it, but I'm pretty sure the scouts like what they see. He is quite the athlete before and after the catch and a pretty slick route runner for a tall WR. His hands are top notch. Say what you want about Parker and McCardell being solid, or about Jackson and Floyd emerging, none of them are making an impact. It is a weakness in San Diego and this team is an impact receiver away from being complete on offense. The baseball thing could be a problem, but I am not considering it in this projection.

1.29 Chicago Bears - Rufus Alexander, LB, Oklahoma

No question in my mind that Alexander is a better LB than Clint Ingram who is making a nice name for himself in Jacksonville. If Briggs goes then they'll need to replace him and even if he stays Rufus could line up with Briggs and Urlacher. You'd think the Bears would address offense immediately. They didn't last year until a 6th round FB. I doubt they do that again, but I also expect them to continue adding to that defense with their first pick next year.

1.30 Baltimore Ravens - Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State

My respect for Ozzie and Co. as talent evaluators is well established here. They blew it with Boller (so it seems), so they make up for it here. This team is nicely rounded across the roster and the personnel department has a history of seeking BAP. I think Smith is it. OL could be addressed here. Note: After compiling this mock and making subtle changes, I scanned a few others. This Smith to the Ravens thing is very popular. Who knew?

1.31 Dallas Cowboys - Reggie Nelson, FS, Florida

As a fan I think the needs are OL, FS, and/or a future #1 WR would be nice to see. Knowing Parcells I have to rule out the OL and WR in round one and even FS is not his cup of round one tea. I also have a hard time judging how much they like Pat Watkins. Aaron Glenn is still holding up in the nickel, but his time is coming up soon, so I guess any DB (best available) makes the most sense, but truthfully, I think it's just any defensive player. I went with Reggie Nelson to give him props for the great season. He is playing at a very high level and could be what the doctor ordered at FS in Dallas. LB or DL are equally likely I suppose.

1.32 Indianapolis Colts - HB Blades, ILB, Pittsburgh

Back when I said Buster Davis was a 3rd rounder I mentioned preferring Blades over him. It's close, but Davis was better this year. The Colts are soft up the middle. You have to love a story like Brackett's, but they need to toughen up the middle of the field. Blades is the best option to do that this year with who's left. I like the guy, but certain things I've seen make me wonder if he has some cardio issues. In the first quarter he's everywhere, but he loses something as games progress-- more than most. He's a true warrior on the field. A bit like D'Qwell from last year.

Well, there you have it so let me have it. I half expect half the names in this mock to be missing by early April, but it's a sincere and original effort I had to get off my chest to get the juices flowing. I'm aware of many missing names that may be bothering you. I'm very sympathetic and open to changes in DEs and CBs in particular. Some tough calls and cuts were made in the process, but the missing players grade/rank very near the chosen ones.

I have top tens by position in the works. They just need a little more research, thought and tweaking. I'll post them as an appendix to this mock, once complete and time permitting. Prolly get that finished up Sunday while watching the games.

 
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Good Job Chaos Commish. I don't watch a lot of collage football so getting inforamtion like this and reading how you feel about certain players gives me some insight to players in the upcoming draft. Thanks.

 
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great mock, CC...

like you said it is early, and that is grounds to not nitpick, but use this as a launching pad to further discussion as we get closer... senior bowl just few months away? :)

i'm really high on AP, lynch, calvin johnson, ginn & jarrett, and agree quinn will go very high (weiss tutelage has to be viewed as a plus by pro personnel types)... not sure if they will all go in top 10, but it is certainly possible...

i HOPE calvin johnson doesn't go to CLE... he'll probably break a leg or something... BTW, if this mock played out verbatim, and there are a lot of fantasy teams out there that need WR & RB equally, is johnson good enough that you would take him ahead of lynch at #2 in a dynasty rookie draft... or do you think it will be AP & lynch 1-2 in nearly all drafts... i think if i had #2 pick, i'd give serious thought to johnson... i like the fact that elite blue chip WRs can potentially have longer, healthier careers...

normally i might say 1.06 is really high for a safety historically... i still don't know if landry would go that high, but he reportedly could have been a first rounder if he had declared himself eligible in the 06 draft, his brother is playing very well for a resurgent BAL D & the consensus is that he is far more talented... & while a top 10 safety used to be once or twice in a decade rarity (bennie blades, mark carrier, late eric turner), it has happened with increasing frequency... roy williams, sean taylor, then huff & whitner BOTH in top 10 (many thought whitner was reach of first round, but he is looking pretty good, and if he had gone few picks later, like to STL if they kept the #12, would there have been as much an outcry?)... agreed they need help on D... moses might be a good bookend to super mario? too high for LBs unless they traded down... don't think they are pulling plug on carr, kubiak comes from DEN system of plug in any late rund RB... maybe a WR would look good as bookend to budding superstar dre johnson... even if moulds isn't bummed as rumored, he isn't getting any younger... traditionally DEN didn't spend high picks on OL either (foster was rare first rounder few years back), though with all HOUs problems in past years, perhaps consideration would be given to making an exception, and you're probably right that there is big dropoff after JT...

you are also right, you'll probably cach some flak from GB contingent on lynch selection... they have holes in OL (but is there one with a high enough grade to warrant one here?), DL, the secondary is one of worst in the league i think statistically... but if he is that special of a talent, could be the sound BPA choice, & its not like they couldn't use a stud RB, which would take pressure off favre if he is rejuvenated and plays another season... lynch is the one elite skill position i don't have a handle on, & i may be drafting him in a dynasty league (see calvin johnson section above)... who would you compare his skill set to, among current or former NFL RBs (& while we are at it - AP, too)?

ginn & jarrett are great fits where you have them slotted... does ginn remind you of steve smith... will jarrett fall due to stigma of mike williams comparison as tall USC WR... how much better is he than williams, and specifically could you elaborate on speed & movement skill differences that will enable jarrett's pro career to hopefully unfold dramatically differently... a concern earlier were rumblings that coaching staff was dissatisfied with his work ethic, which sounds eerily similar to the soon to be cut & EX-lion BMW...

ATL just sunk a bunch of money into abraham, and ATL insiders expect kerney to be retained expensively, so adding moses might break the bank at the position... than again, a mid-rounder not as costly as top 5 prospect, the cap increases next year, & despite his cost, abraham never plays & lack of pass rush is killing the secondary...

griffin & hall slottings seem about right as to place in first round...

PHI doesn't historically take a LB there... but i agree, he would be a great fit for that team, if reid the GM rethought his all OL/DL, all the time in the first round strategy... how does the penn st great stack up against, say, A.J. hawk?

i HOPE you are right about willis to the rams... they badly need a beast run stuffer at LB, & i'm starting to think the mike peterson comp not so apt for WW (& even if it were, he doesn't have stroud & hendo in front of him :) )... willis at MLB & WW at WLB would look really good to this rams fan's eyes, tired of seeing STL perennialy get eviscerated in the run game since they let london fletcher go to the bills... the only thing is, they just re-upped tino, and i'm not sure if he is suited for SLB... he played there as a rookie, & played well, but shoot, he might be undersized for WLB (which is why i wouldn't mind seeing a stud MLB bump WW to WLB)... 5-0 struggles to stay at 220 in season... who would be a comp player for willis?

wouldn't surprise me at all if JAX goes after a QB... clearly del rio has soured on lefty, and the next month will be an audition for garrard... i question whether he is starter caliber for a team with playoff aspirations, and think he may be better in backup role... i thought it was odd when he re-upped in JAX for backup money, but maybe that was prescient? all bets are off if jags implode & don't make playoffs again, & del rio is fired... incoming HC might RE-build team around leftwich, who i think is much better than garrard, though i am well aware i would have a lot of detractors, and probably even some locals... haven't seen russell this year, so bravo for heavily piquing my interest...

good info on bush being more of a specialty player than feature RB... how does he compare to shelton, another big back from louisville... it seemed like level of competition may have masked that shelton was not as good a player as many thought... i take it bush is much more talented athlete and far superior pro prospect... i think shelton went in late second or early third... how does he compare to brandon jacobs as a big back with ambiguous potential to be front line runner... do you think jacobs can be bell cow back in NY next season?

is buster davis sam mills short? mcculough is not that tall & looks like he could be a good one... is it fair to say davis is a much better prospect?

definitely baseball will come into play for smardz, but you know that... how does his skill set compare to guys like brian finneran and jurevicious? what kind of 40 will he run (not that speed is everything, colston is a tall WR that didn't run a blistering 40 but compensates in myriad other ways)?

troy smith would be a consumate ozzie BPA pick, and a master stoke to groom him for few years to be heir (apparent) mcnair... :)

man, i love talking about the draft (life blood of dynasty leagues) and missed it...

good to see a mock up again with december just around the corner...

thanx for all the time, thought & hard work that went into this... this will give me a head start on my annual year end look ahead at next year's crop of IDPs...

 
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Cedric Ceballos is a member here?

A note on Thomas going to Arizona is that with Leinart there the team would need to draft a RT and not an LT for the line. Not saying they would not draft Thomas but if protecting the QB is a priority they would need a RT.

 
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Put a caveat on the Washington and Denver draft slots.

Denver from Washington in 3 way deal for WR Ashley Lelie who goes to Atlanta and RB T.J.

Duckett moving to Washington. Depending on how the Broncos and Redskins finish in the

final standings, the two teams could exchange 1st round picks outright if Denver has a

lower pick than the Redskins. The teams could flip-flop their 1st round picks and the

Broncos get a 4th round pick in '08 NFL Draft.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/35Denver has an option to swap places.

If Lynch is available for the Redskins, imagine him going to the Broncos instead. :yikes:

 
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Put a caveat on the Washington and Denver draft slots.

Denver from Washington in 3 way deal for WR Ashley Lelie who goes to Atlanta and RB T.J.

Duckett moving to Washington. Depending on how the Broncos and Redskins finish in the

final standings, the two teams could exchange 1st round picks outright if Denver has a

lower pick than the Redskins. The teams could flip-flop their 1st round picks and the

Broncos get a 4th round pick in '08 NFL Draft.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/35Denver has an option to swap places.

If Lynch is available for the Redskins, imagine him going to the Broncos instead. :yikes:
great catch... i forgot about that not so fine print addendum...at the time it wasn't so obvious their respective picks would be so far apart, like it looks now*... based on "the chart", the difference between the picks would be worth WAY more than a fourth... the more you think about it, it is inconceivable they wouldn't pick up the option...

great inclusion in the terms by skeletor... and given how little duckett has been used, this could end up being a disastrous trade & move for the redskins...

* only six teams worse than WAS 4-7 record, only 5 teams better than DEN 7-4 record...

though of course cutler could have something to do with how broncs finish (i happen to think he is an improvement over the marginal plummer... cutler could be special and even better than the highly touted VY & leinart)...

and jason campbell could help lift WAS... but they are a much more flawed team, and i don't expect he will make ENOUGH of a difference to lift them out of the doldrums & their general funk...

 
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I like it overall other than the NE pick. They'll take another WR before RB. Maroney, Dillon, and Faulk isn't a bad backfield. They don't have a single go to guy at WR.

 
Nice job. Couple of comments.

No way will Lynch be better than Maroney. Mark me down for that. However, I do think Lynch would be a good fit in Green Bay with an aging A Green. Very similar to Dillon/Maroney if it happens.

Sad to AGAIN see a lack of top OT talent coming out of the college ranks. So many teams need better tackles. Last year I thought we had a banner crop but they all fell.

 
Ahhh, mock time again.

I'll stick to what I know and while I've certainly been wrong before I just don't see the Titans take WR over DE. Couple that with BMs comments on ATL and DE I could easily see TEN go DE.

Also I'm a Losman optimist and the Bills certainly has a need for a better compliment to Evans - Losman cannot keep getting 75% of his throws to Evans - surely the opposing DCs will notice...

So put me down for Moses at 10 and Jarrett at 11. I'm anyway in the camp saying that Reese is gone and Fisher stays - probably with a new DC though. The outcome of GM/HC change in TEN will play strongly into the decision on who to take in the draft. They also need help at OL IMHO (where is that dead horse smilie ;) )

Atlanta - I honestly don't know - probably not QB in the 1st is all I can come up with.

The Vikings are terrible at getting sacks. Erasmus James really hurt them when he went on IR. Udeze - bust. This could be one of the reasons they are close to last against the pass.

 
Funny you should give Bush to the Pats. I wish just discussing with one of my fellow Patriot fans what their backfield will look like next year. Dillon and Faulk could both be there or both be gone. I think what happens with them will dictate what type of back they would look for. I don't think taking a RB with a #1 is out of the question but it would definely raise an eyebrow or two. As for Bush the x-factor with him and the Pats would be what they think of Mills. Your description of him sounds a lot like what they are looking to get out of Mills (although Mills is much more of a passing than rushing threat). He was MIA this year and is now on IR so I really have no clue how he factors into their future.

IMO I'd love to see the Pats go D with both first round picks. They need a few more playmakers on that side of the ball. If they can add a few more impact players on D that D can go from very good to great. I'd like to see two DBacks or one DBack and a player with big time passrushing skills.

As for WR the Pats need help there but I really hope they address it in free agency. Get a WR or two who are already developed and can contribute pretty quickly. With Jax slow to develop they really don't need another high selection WR to teach the ropes.

 
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As for WR the Pats need help there but I really hope they address it in free agency. Get a WR or two who are already developed and can contribute pretty quickly. With Jax slow to develop they really don't need another high selection WR to teach the ropes.
I thought they got Jackson, Caldwell and Gabriel as their new studs? You guys need LBs. Bruschi and Seau are pushing retirement, Vrabel is not young either.

 
As for WR the Pats need help there but I really hope they address it in free agency. Get a WR or two who are already developed and can contribute pretty quickly. With Jax slow to develop they really don't need another high selection WR to teach the ropes.
I thought they got Jackson, Caldwell and Gabriel as their new studs? You guys need LBs. Bruschi and Seau are pushing retirement, Vrabel is not young either.
If history is any indicator the Pats will not address their LBs in the draft. They've only drafted a few college LBs and have never used a high pick on one. The Patriot D does not translate to the college game (Vrabel, Bruschi, Colvin, Banta Cain and ex-Pat Willie McGinest were all former DEs in college). They do need to add some talent in that area but I expect it to come through free agency. They did add two undrafted free agents this year in Woods and Mays but it's not known whether they figure into their plans or are just special teamers.As for the WRs Caldwell has been a pleasant surprise but he's obviously not a stud. Jax seems to have a ton of talent but there's obviously something going on with him be it immaturity or not understanding the offense. His upside is high but whatever is going on with him needs to be corrected for the coaching staff to be secure with him. Gabriel is currently in BB's doghouse and there's been little said as to why. These guys can help but they need another WR or two to round out the unit.

 
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Very informative, entertaining mock, CC. Way way too much to talk about there in one post, but here are my initial impressions:

- I think you nailed the point about the top 5 being head and shoulders above the rest.

- Ginn doesnt have bad hands, but I don't think his hands are a strength either. Seems like he's all alone when he makes most of his catches. I want to see what he does in traffic, what he does when he knows he's going to take a hit.

- I agree that Lynch is a better prospect than Maroney - a much more complete back imo.

- Jarrett is exactly who I have going to the Titans in the sketchy mock in my head.

- I agree with Revis over Hall. Revis is stuck on a terrible defense. I'd like to see Hall do what Revis has done without that Wolverine front seven harrassing defenses and constantly putting teams in obvious passing situations.

- Griffin has been playing terrible undisciplined football as of late. His stock could rehabilitate with good workouts, but I dont see him as a mid-first pick right now.

- The jets should do a dance if they get woodley.

- Pitcock will go higher than #21. I wouldnt be surprised to see him in the top 10 before its all said and done.

- the Broncos need a pass rush for sure - I like the need/pick intersection.

- Saints should definitely go defense, and a hardnosed LB makes sense.

- Yes, I dont like Samardzija. If he completely gives up baseball, he could jump up on my board. Thats one of the big reasons im down on him - it just makes more sense for him to go pro in baseball (ask drew henson). He does have soft hands and good speed, but I think the whole ND pass offense is overrated because they only really show up against weak teams - except for Rhema McKnight, who is very underrated in Quinn and Samardzija's shadow.

- Smith to the Ravens makes sense, but I have a feeling KC and CAR will also be looking QB late in the first.

more discussion to come...

AHHHHH DRAFT SEASON IS COMING!!!

 
I like it overall other than the NE pick. They'll take another WR before RB. Maroney, Dillon, and Faulk isn't a bad backfield. They don't have a single go to guy at WR.
Agreed. Even though you NEVER know what Belicheck is going to do, he would be out of his gourd to take another 1st Round RB in back to b ack drafts especially considering Maroney looks like the real deal. Even if Bush is a good value there, which he is... no WAY they take Bush over the likes of Samardzija.The Fresno DB pick makes alot of sense as they and the Pats have the head coach connection and they have a dire need at DB.
 
I like it overall other than the NE pick. They'll take another WR before RB. Maroney, Dillon, and Faulk isn't a bad backfield. They don't have a single go to guy at WR.
Agreed. Even though you NEVER know what Belicheck is going to do, he would be out of his gourd to take another 1st Round RB in back to b ack drafts especially considering Maroney looks like the real deal. Even if Bush is a good value there, which he is... no WAY they take Bush over the likes of Samardzija.The Fresno DB pick makes alot of sense as they and the Pats have the head coach connection and they have a dire need at DB.
The Bush pick works as a "you never know with Belicheck" pick - they are the hardest team to mock. That being said, a pick in the secondary is almost a lock. They need help, especially if Asante Samuel leaves in free agency.
 
It's NEVER too early....

Love the Woodley pick for the Jets. I mentioned him as a possibility for Jet fans to watch on another board for the Big game a few weeks back. Jets may also be looking at the CB's.

I'm sure he'll climb up the charts and the Jets last pick in round 1 won't get it done.

 
I have no problem with the Lynch pick in Green Bay as a Packer fan. But before we start talking about a Dillon/Maroney situation, remember that Green Bay has yet to sign Green for next season. It's not a done deal, and Morency is actually playing decent for Green Bay.

 
Bob_Magaw said:
Riffraff said:
Put a caveat on the Washington and Denver draft slots.

Denver from Washington in 3 way deal for WR Ashley Lelie who goes to Atlanta and RB T.J.

Duckett moving to Washington. Depending on how the Broncos and Redskins finish in the

final standings, the two teams could exchange 1st round picks outright if Denver has a

lower pick than the Redskins. The teams could flip-flop their 1st round picks and the

Broncos get a 4th round pick in '08 NFL Draft.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/35Denver has an option to swap places.

If Lynch is available for the Redskins, imagine him going to the Broncos instead. :yikes:
great catch... i forgot about that not so fine print addendum...at the time it wasn't so obvious their respective picks would be so far apart, like it looks now*... based on "the chart", the difference between the picks would be worth WAY more than a fourth... the more you think about it, it is inconceivable they wouldn't pick up the option...

great inclusion in the terms by skeletor... and given how little duckett has been used, this could end up being a disastrous trade & move for the redskins...

* only six teams worse than WAS 4-7 record, only 5 teams better than DEN 7-4 record...

though of course cutler could have something to do with how broncs finish (i happen to think he is an improvement over the marginal plummer... cutler could be special and even better than the highly touted VY & leinart)...

and jason campbell could help lift WAS... but they are a much more flawed team, and i don't expect he will make ENOUGH of a difference to lift them out of the doldrums & their general funk...
Wow - Wash is a diseased franchise. They will winding up switching a top 10 pick to one in the 20s for a RB their coach refuses to use who is in a walk year of his contract! Oh, by the way they also have no 2nd rd pick as they traded it to the Jets in last years draft - just awful management!
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
- Ginn doesnt have bad hands, but I don't think his hands are a strength either. Seems like he's all alone when he makes most of his catches. I want to see what he does in traffic, what he does when he knows he's going to take a hit.
This is why comparisons to Steve Smith are unwarranted. Steve Smith is so dangerous because he has the strength, concentration, hand, timing, and leaping ability to make tough catches in traffic on top of the fact he is one of the fastest players in the game. Ginn is nowhere near that level at this point and it is very doubtful he gets there. Of course, he can be a very very good receiver and never get close to Steve Smith.
 
Chaos Commish said:
1.29 Chicago Bears - Rufus Alexander, LB, Oklahoma

No question in my mind that Alexander is a better LB than Clint Ingram who is making a nice name for himself in Jacksonville. If Briggs goes then they'll need to replace him and even if he stays Rufus could line up with Briggs and Urlacher. You'd think the Bears would address offense immediately. They didn't last year until a 6th round FB. I doubt they do that again, but I also expect them to continue adding to that defense with their first pick next year.
I would be surprised if the Bears go offense in the first round. Good call here. SLB is already a soft spot in this defense. Hillenmeyer gets abused in pass coverage too often and does not have the hyper awareness to make up for his lack of athletic ability. If Briggs stays, Jamar Williams is worth keeping an eye on at that SLB position and I could see them looking at strong safety early if they feel Jamar is their man. However, if Briggs does leave, I see Rufus as a great pick for the Bears and LB as their key objective in the draft. Even if Briggs stays, Jamar is no certainty at this point.
 
Bob_Magaw said:
Riffraff said:
Put a caveat on the Washington and Denver draft slots.

Denver from Washington in 3 way deal for WR Ashley Lelie who goes to Atlanta and RB T.J.

Duckett moving to Washington. Depending on how the Broncos and Redskins finish in the

final standings, the two teams could exchange 1st round picks outright if Denver has a

lower pick than the Redskins. The teams could flip-flop their 1st round picks and the

Broncos get a 4th round pick in '08 NFL Draft.
http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/35Denver has an option to swap places.

If Lynch is available for the Redskins, imagine him going to the Broncos instead. :yikes:
great catch... i forgot about that not so fine print addendum...at the time it wasn't so obvious their respective picks would be so far apart, like it looks now*... based on "the chart", the difference between the picks would be worth WAY more than a fourth... the more you think about it, it is inconceivable they wouldn't pick up the option...

great inclusion in the terms by skeletor... and given how little duckett has been used, this could end up being a disastrous trade & move for the redskins...

* only six teams worse than WAS 4-7 record, only 5 teams better than DEN 7-4 record...

though of course cutler could have something to do with how broncs finish (i happen to think he is an improvement over the marginal plummer... cutler could be special and even better than the highly touted VY & leinart)...

and jason campbell could help lift WAS... but they are a much more flawed team, and i don't expect he will make ENOUGH of a difference to lift them out of the doldrums & their general funk...
Wasn't the trade strictly based on draft value chart....i.e. the extra 3rd rounder that Denver aquired = 240 points....that would be enough to move up from 22nd slot to about 15th slot ... Denver wouldn't have enough to move up to the top ten, unless they gave up another pick. Denver has the option to move up, as long as it matches the draft point value...i could be wrong, but thats what i remeber...

 
Gabriel is currently in BB's doghouse and there's been little said as to why.
Brady was in his face about something after a throw was way off. I would guess a bad route. Then he fumbled and Gaffney came in and did well. Gaffney started the following week. No clue who got the start last week as it's somewhat unimportant for WRs in that O I don't normally look for it.
 
I really thought that the Broncos and Skins could only switch picks if they both made the playoffs. I could have swore there is a clause and that the Skins will keep their 1st round pick this year.

 
1.05 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

One could argue that Adams ends the elite "must draft" best available player talent in this draft. The above are probably the top five players. Simeon Rice isn't getting any younger and Adams has been as good as any DE in the country for two straight years. He's had a great season and made himself a rich man. Personally, I think the 4 above him are clearly separated from the pack and the deep DE pool makes this a dicey pick.
Bucs homer input:Rice may not be with the team next year (I think he will though), but in the event that he's gone, I still don't believe they'll go DE with a top-5 pick. Dewayne White has the talent to replace him right now, if only there were a UT on their roster who could provide some pass-rush relief.

Grabbing a guy like Adams would be a good pickup for any team, but it would be inefficient, considering the gaping hole next at UT.

If you surmise that Rice is in fact staying with the team, which I think you are, then I believe there is a slim chance of this pick, especially given the admitted "diceyness" of the pick to begin with.

You might look at White's numbers and wonder how I have the gall to say that he could be the next 15-sack DE for the Bucs, but he is a playmaker. The only thing that has been holding him back from being an every-down lineman is his supposed suspect run-stopping ability, of which he has been steadily improving of late.

Rice also would appear to be "getting old" as you say, not because of his age, but because of the sharp decline in numbers this year. Through 8 games he only totaled 2 sacks, a paltry performance from a player who hasn't had under 11 sacks in a year since joining the Bucs in '01. But he has been dealing with a lingering shoulder injury all year (they just put him on IR a few weeks ago since the season is a bust), and has also had to deal with the sub-par UTs lining up next to him.

I know that you do not agree with Levi Brown being in the same breath as Joe Thomas, but I feel like shoring up the LT spot will be the final piece in solidifying this unit for years to come.

If the top four picks shake out like you have, I would think that the Bucs would be choosing between Levi Brown and Ginn to replace Galloway.

Of those, I would say Brown in a heartbeat.

Gruden is no stranger in reaching for linemen, and arguably the last four he drafted (Buenning, Colmer, Trueblood, Joseph) were all reaches. Certainly no one thought Joseph would go before the end of the 1st at best, although there were scant whispers.

Look forward to reading future versions, and I hope you find my input helpful in revising your mock.

 
I don't follow college ball but if White is s good as you say then they'll pick him for that reason. Stud DEs are not common and you just don't pass them up. That was a "golden rule" of sorts for years.

The better Kiwi does this year the more GMs will be kicking themselves for passing on him. It won't happen in the very next draft.

Giants have "no one" at DT and when healthy they do just fine. The Bucs will find a way if necessary.

 
I'm revising my mock when I feel the changes are significant. Good information is trickling in so updates make sense. I made changes based on a new order, advice from others, new info, and some I wished I had to begin with.

Six names fell out.

Brian Brohm - He's announced he's staying in school, but he also sent of a letter of inquiry to the NFLPA. I'll take him on his word for now, but won't be surprised by a change of heart. The Advisory Board should have good news for him.

Michael Bush - Could medical redshirt if Brohm stays and go for a national title. Could be in the draft and fall to the 2nd round anyway. That was my original thinking, then I dumped him on the Pats.

Jeff Samardzija - 4.32 ERA in college with no movement on his fastball which is his best pitch. He'll play football or regret it. Until otherwise notified, I'm going with regret it.

Marcus McCauley - How many times can a corner get smoked and still be so highly regarded based on track speed? So despite his high rankings everywhere, I think he's overrated and soon to be exposed.

Troy Smith - I'm not arguing with the personnel department in Baltimore... at the moment.

HB Blades - I mentioned concerns in 1.0. Blades is a huge hitter, but he's lacking in too many categories for round 1.

IN

Jake Long - My anti-Rd1 OL thinking takes a hit.

Anthony Spencer - Incredible year deserves credit. Great pass rusher. Almost gave him to Denver the first time.

Tank Tyler - NC State's entire DL from last year was 1st rounders.

Robert Meachem - Ripped off idea from Colin's mock. It was a good idea.

Ray McDonald - Tweener DE/DT has a nice pedigree, had a big year, and his weight/speed ratio translates nicely.

Antoine Cason - Wanted him in the first version. Barely squeeked past a 5thh Wolverine here.

1.01 Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame

This team deserves a franchise QB. Quinn is one.

1.02 Oakland Raiders - Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma

Peterson is a force of nature who can instantly breathe life into that offense.

1.03 Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin

Thomas is a great prospect with franchise LT potential.



1.04 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech

As present falls apart future looking better for Buc offense.

1.05 Green Bay Packers - Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan

The DL stud of this draft.



1.06 Washington Redskins - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson

Considered the best DE in the draft.



1.07 Houston Texans - LaRon Landry, S, LSU

Landry is a needed upgrade.

1.08 Cleveland Browns - Jamarcus Russell, QB, LSU

Frye rating very low this year. Franchise needs franchise QB.

1.09 Minnesota Vikings - Darrelle Revis*, CB, Pittsburgh

Best special team DB in the draft is also by far the best in coverage and/or run support.

1.10 St Louis Rams - Quinn Pitcock, DT, Ohio State

Bloom suggested I had him underrated. I gladly defer. Rams need run defense.



1.11 San Francisco 49ers - Tedd Ginn, Jr.*, WR, Ohio State

Ginn is a very special talent. Playmakers needed in SF.



1.12 Miami Dolphins - Dwayne Jarrett*, WR, Southern California

Likely wrong about this, but it works for now.

1.13 Pittsburgh Steelers - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal

Excellent talent for team with no major weaknesses.

1.14 Buffalo Bills - Justin Blalock, OL, Texas

Versatile dominating OL.



1.15 Tennessee Titans - Paul Posluzny, LB, Penn State

Puz is a serious talent who should stay in this top 15.



1.16 Atlanta Falcons - Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia

Sticking with this match as Atlanta falls a few spots.

1.17 Carolina Panthers - Patrick Willis, LB, Ole Miss

Morgan is done.



1.18 Philadelphia Eagles - Glenn Dorsey*, DT, LSU

Tradition of line focus continues.



1.19 New York Giants - Leon Hall, CB, Michigan

Solid upgrade for struggling secondary.

1.20 New York Jets - LaMarr Woodley, DE, Michigan

Woodley is the real deal. Great fit.

1.21 Kansas City Chiefs - Jake Long, OT, Michigan

Roaf ain't coming back.

1.22 Jacksonville Jaguars - Anthony Spencer, DE, Purdue

I think this is the best pure pass rusher in the draft. Jax needs that.



1.23 Denver Broncos - Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame

I admit this is a reach, and I'm not changing it.

1.24 Cincinnatti Bengals - Tank Tyler, DT, NC State

Run stuffer with good chance of being arrested.



1.25 New England (from Seattle) - Reggie Nelson, FS, Florida

Playmaker for the secondary.



1.26 Dallas Cowboys - Eric Weddle, DB, Utah

Tremendous all around DB.



1.27 New Orleans Saints - Buster Davis, LB, Florida State

I've downgraded Buster a bit in my mind, but still like this fit.

1.28 Baltimore Ravens - Ray McDonald, DE, Florida

Athletic DE/DT Tweener a nice fit for 3-4.

1.29 New England Patriots - Michael Griffin, S, Texas

Pretty big downgrade, again based on Bloom's observations. I enjoyed giving Pats two 1st round safeties.

1.30 San Diego Chargers - Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee

Hat tip to Colin for bringing Meachem into the mock talk.



1.31 Chicago Bears - Rufus Alexander, LB, Oklahoma

No change here.



1.32 Indianapolis Colts - Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona

Good sized corner with complete game.

Thanks for all the previous comments and questions. I'll try to respond to most of it soon. This one sure feels better to me.

 
As a homer, I don't see the Vikings taking a cornerback with that first pick. Yes Smoot has been less than advertised (putting it mildly) but rookie 2nd rounder Cedric Griffin has been as good as can be expected and then some. I think he'll be the starter opposite Winfield for some time to come. Rookie safety Greg Blue has also played well in limited duty. He could end up being a Joey Browner type of player.

The problem with the Vikings secondary is that there is ZERO pass rush from the DE's. That's a result of Erasmus James getting hurt. The guy was going to establish himself as one of the top 5 DEs in the league this year, but the injury ended that. Who knows if he'll come back from it at full speed?

Then there's the safeties. Sharper is just getting too old and Smith hasn't lived up to expectations (plus he caused image problems with the "stairwell incident" in pre-season).

And while the o-line has been the talk of the town (in a bad way), there is talent there. Rookie Ryan Cook, who's pick caused the town to collectively scratch their heads, looks like a fit at right tackle. So there's one more position down.

Childress has said no 1st round WRs. I think that's crap, but whatever.

If they're in the top 10, I think they have to go either one of the top safeties or WR. If Gaines Adams somhow falls, he's a possibility too as the pass rush needs upgrading, but that's doubtful to happen.

 
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The Steelers would take Lynch, which would be considered a luxury, while Blalock is still on the board?

Are the Eagles thinking Bunkely is a bust? Would they go DT in the 1st two years in a row?

 
If they're in the top 10, I think they have to go either one of the top safeties or WR. If Gaines Adams somhow falls, he's a possibility too as the pass rush needs upgrading, but that's doubtful to happen.
Revis, imo, is clearly elite top 10 stud. I could have easily put Ginn Jarrett or Lynch in there but was kind of focussed on defense. The 9th pick needs to be an elite player, but being 8 are gone it's getting tough without the wrs.
 
You've said it twice, so I have to correct you. Pittsburgh certainly has some major weaknesses....neither of your mocks address them either (Mock 1 had a DT, where Casey Hampton is firmly entrenched, Mock 2 has a RB, and while they may not be able to pass on Lynch, they have many, many more needs before the RB position).

Need #1: Offensive Line. Only Faneca is currently worth anything of this group. Hartings has shown his age this year, okkobi is average at best.

Need #2: DE or rush linebackers. There is no pressure on the QB from the defensive side of the ball.

Need #3: CB. If they can't get pressure on the QB, they need a serious upgrade here. Their safeties are set. The CBs are a mess.

Need #4: WR. Ced Wilson is a bust. Hines is getting up there. Santonio has shown flashes and Nate Washington is a decent fill in...

What the Steelers don't need:

1. TE

2. QB

3. Safeties (pending Smith's development)

4. FB

5. ILB

6. RB

 
The Steelers would take Lynch, which would be considered a luxury, while Blalock is still on the board?Are the Eagles thinking Bunkely is a bust? Would they go DT in the 1st two years in a row?
I think they should. You may remember a year ago I regularly argued talent before needs for the first half of round 1. :shrug:
 
I'm not a Houston homer, but I sure can't see them passing on a potential star RB like Marshawn Lynch at #7.

Does this mean you think Landry is that much of an upgrade over CC and Co vs Lynch over Dayne/Lundi?

Or do you expect Dom Davis back next year?

 
Living in Louisville, I can tell you, I think both Brohm and Bush are gone. Brohm did say he "expects to be back" but then backed off that comment the next day. Here is the latest from the Louisville Courier Journal. BTW, Sporting News has him going #1 overall currently. :shock:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.d...7/1028/SPORTS02
I saw the TSN piece yesterday. My take is: Brohm is not committed either way. It will probably come down to the word he gets from the NFL, but his current stance is leaning towards staying. So for mock purposes, with so many names to discuss, and a ton of underclassmen yet to declare, I am not including those who have openly suggested they are not declaring. I expect many of them will have a change of heart and I'll work them in at that time. This way gets more names out there, which should lead to more info, which is all I care about in December.
 
I'm not a Houston homer, but I sure can't see them passing on a potential star RB like Marshawn Lynch at #7.Does this mean you think Landry is that much of an upgrade over CC and Co vs Lynch over Dayne/Lundi? Or do you expect Dom Davis back next year?
lol... I just revised this. Felt pretty good about it. Now I want another do over. I like this idea for Lynch, but Kubiak may be like Shanny and not want to invest so much in an RB.
 
I know you revised it, but did you honestly think the Skins would take another small, speedy WR when they have Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd and ARE, all in the same mold and all make big money? I know the Skins do crazy moves, but that would be overkill wouldn't it?

Like the change to Gaines Adams :D

 
You've said it twice, so I have to correct you. Pittsburgh certainly has some major weaknesses....neither of your mocks address them either (Mock 1 had a DT, where Casey Hampton is firmly entrenched, Mock 2 has a RB, and while they may not be able to pass on Lynch, they have many, many more needs before the RB position).

Need #1: Offensive Line. Only Faneca is currently worth anything of this group. Hartings has shown his age this year, okkobi is average at best.

Need #2: DE or rush linebackers. There is no pressure on the QB from the defensive side of the ball.

Need #3: CB. If they can't get pressure on the QB, they need a serious upgrade here. Their safeties are set. The CBs are a mess.

Need #4: WR. Ced Wilson is a bust. Hines is getting up there. Santonio has shown flashes and Nate Washington is a decent fill in...

What the Steelers don't need:

1. TE

2. QB

3. Safeties (pending Smith's development)

4. FB

5. ILB

6. RB
Thanks for the input.Fair enough and strongly worded, but I don't really feel corrected, and I don't think Pittsburgh has major weaknesses... major being the stressed word. If you think that OL is a major weakness, I would like to tour the league with you.

I'll repeat my notion that the first half of this round should always be about talent over needs. I'm positive I quoted a Steeler personnel man saying as much last year. Lynch was slipping too far in this mock. Pittsburgh got lucky and the fans complain :) .

Also, I knew some would want to address OL problems BUT the problem is the available talent is uninspiring roudn two and three type guys, imo.

I agree with you about the rush backers and should the Steelers stay where they are and a Merriman Ware Lawson Wimbley measure up like the last two years, that would make the most sense. I don't see that guy right now, but he could emerge from the smaller DEs.

Also Pittsburgh is 7th in passing yardage and 19th rushing. That's an abomination for this franchise. Not liking the OLs very much and seeing Lynch on the board... well Blalock just isn't the caliber player that Lynch is. Parker is nice, but show me a team without quality backs (plural) and I'll show you a need.

Anyway, it's the discussion that makes this interesting, I think we can agree on a rush backer and Lynch going sooner. I'll try to make Steeler fans happy with the next one when there's a new order or in a couple weeks. Thanks again.

 
I know you revised it, but did you honestly think the Skins would take another small, speedy WR when they have Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd and ARE, all in the same mold and all make big money? I know the Skins do crazy moves, but that would be overkill wouldn't it?Like the change to Gaines Adams :D
If the big expenditures aren't working, then sure, they can still address the position. I like the change too though.
 
You've said it twice, so I have to correct you. Pittsburgh certainly has some major weaknesses....neither of your mocks address them either (Mock 1 had a DT, where Casey Hampton is firmly entrenched, Mock 2 has a RB, and while they may not be able to pass on Lynch, they have many, many more needs before the RB position).

Need #1: Offensive Line. Only Faneca is currently worth anything of this group. Hartings has shown his age this year, okkobi is average at best.

Need #2: DE or rush linebackers. There is no pressure on the QB from the defensive side of the ball.

Need #3: CB. If they can't get pressure on the QB, they need a serious upgrade here. Their safeties are set. The CBs are a mess.

Need #4: WR. Ced Wilson is a bust. Hines is getting up there. Santonio has shown flashes and Nate Washington is a decent fill in...

What the Steelers don't need:

1. TE

2. QB

3. Safeties (pending Smith's development)

4. FB

5. ILB

6. RB
Thanks for the input.Fair enough and strongly worded, but I don't really feel corrected, and I don't think Pittsburgh has major weaknesses... major being the stressed word. If you think that OL is a major weakness, I would like to tour the league with you.

I'll repeat my notion that the first half of this round should always be about talent over needs. I'm positive I quoted a Steeler personnel man saying as much last year. Lynch was slipping too far in this mock. Pittsburgh got lucky and the fans complain :) .

Also, I knew some would want to address OL problems BUT the problem is the available talent is uninspiring roudn two and three type guys, imo.

I agree with you about the rush backers and should the Steelers stay where they are and a Merriman Ware Lawson Wimbley measure up like the last two years, that would make the most sense. I don't see that guy right now, but he could emerge from the smaller DEs.

Also Pittsburgh is 7th in passing yardage and 19th rushing. That's an abomination for this franchise. Not liking the OLs very much and seeing Lynch on the board... well Blalock just isn't the caliber player that Lynch is. Parker is nice, but show me a team without quality backs (plural) and I'll show you a need.

Anyway, it's the discussion that makes this interesting, I think we can agree on a rush backer and Lynch going sooner. I'll try to make Steeler fans happy with the next one when there's a new order or in a couple weeks. Thanks again.
You did see where I said "while they may not be able to pass on Lynch"...so I can see them making this pick, certainly.You point to 7th in passing and 19th in rushing as if that's the fault of the RBs. It really isn't FWP has been one of the few bright spots on this team. Give him a line to run behind, and he'll do well. He's made huge steps this year. Is he the talent of a Marshawn Lynch? No. Probably not, but outside of Big Ben, Pittsburgh's best drafts have been when they did not go skill position in the first.

 
Pittsburgh certainly has some major weaknesses....neither of your mocks address them either (Mock 1 had a DT, where Casey Hampton is firmly entrenched...
Wanted to respond to this also. If you read my comments about Branch you would know that I wasn't talking NT, Hampton's position. The best comparison to Branch is Richard Seymour. This guy would be a beast in that 3-4 for years.
 

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