CBS Cheating ? (1 Viewer)

[Wilbur Wood]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.

In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.

League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.

Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.

I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.

I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation.

Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

 

[wadegarrett]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

Did you ask your commish why you're only playing him once? Perhaps he doesn't know about it?

 

[Banger]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

hard to say but you definitely have the ability to alter the schedule once CBS generates the initial one...so did CBS randomly generate the schedule or did they generate a different one and the commish over rode it? I think only CBS and the commish would know the answer but it seems unlikely that he would know that you were a top team at the begining of the year and that he would know the other teams would stink unless you are in some dynasty league or that you play with the same owners and they tend to suck year after year.

 

[Banger]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

hard to say but you definitely have the ability to alter the schedule once CBS generates the initial one...so did CBS randomly generate the schedule or did they generate a different one and the commish over rode it? I think only CBS and the commish would know the answer but it seems unlikely that he would know that you were a top team at the begining of the year and that he would know the other teams would stink unless you are in some dynasty league or that you play with the same owners and they tend to suck year after year.

 

[Godsbrother]

I commish a CBS league and I ALWAYS go back and manually check the schedule to make sure it did it the way I wanted it to. It has been correct the last couple of years but there were other seasons where the default schedule that was generated had me sratching my head and I had to manually fix it.

I would alert your commish but I am not sure if changing the schedule once the season starts is the right thing to do.

 

[Soxwhat]

It's something you should have brought up prior to the season starting. I'm sure it would be a different story if the 3 teams he has to play more ended up being the 2nd, 3rd and 4th ranked teams.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I don't know if it's still this way, but their autogenerated scheduling used to be whacky. I manually enter the schedule every year to make it fit our league parameters.

Back to you, I agree with others: ask the commish if he knows why it's unbalanced. It may not be too late to fix it if no one's played someone else more than twice.

 

[JAA]

schedules should be created and finalized before the start of the season

 

[JAA]

schedules should be created and finalized before the start of the season

 

[apalmer]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

hard to say but you definitely have the ability to alter the schedule once CBS generates the initial one...so did CBS randomly generate the schedule or did they generate a different one and the commish over rode it? I think only CBS and the commish would know the answer but it seems unlikely that he would know that you were a top team at the begining of the year and that he would know the other teams would stink unless you are in some dynasty league or that you play with the same owners and they tend to suck year after year.

The Commish can change the schedule even in the middle of the year (or at least he used to be able to do that). I once caught a Commish doing just that--I checked the upcoming schedule 4 weeks before the end of the year and saw my team had a relatively easy ending, while the Commish had to play 2 tough games at the end of year. Got to the final 2 weeks and suddenly it was my team playing the 2 toughies while he had cupcakes. I called him out on the league message board and offered to send out copies of the previous schedule that I had conveniently printed out (a bluff, btw). Miraculously, the schedule suddenly reverted to the old version while the Commish claimed to know nothing aobut it.

 

[dagwood]

schedules should be created and finalized before the start of the season

Yep.Too late to change the schedule now. You caught a break anyway in only having top play the commish once.New season once you get to the playoffs anyway.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I understand that schedules should be finalized before the season.

However, I play in 6 leagues and I am not going to sit there and visually inspect the schedule of all teams to make sure that it is kosher.

As someone did point out, CBS does allow the commish to manually adjust the schedule. My "suspicion" is that in this situation the commish did so well after the season was underway and it became apparent as to which teams were the worst teams in the league. For example, it is plausible that the commish edited the schedule 2 weeks ago to enhance his chances of making the playoffs.

I did verify per last year's schedule that both my team and his team played each opponent twice during the regular season which I assume should be the "norm" in a 1 division, 14 team, 13 week regular season, doubleheader league.

 

[dhockster]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

I would do some more digging to see if there is more circumstantial evidence against the commish. First you said that he has 3 games against 3 bad teams. Other than you who he is only playing once, what other 2 teams is he only playing once and what are their records? Second, you are only playing him once. What team are you playing 3 times and what is their record?I would also e-mail the league and see if anyone printed out their schedule at the beginning of the season, to see if the schedule was altered at all during the season. Based on him playing 3 bad teams 3 times, it sure seems possible (if not probable) that he changed the schedule once the season was underway. The fact that you play doubleheaders each week, may have given him some assurance that no one would notice. I hope if he is cheating that you catch him and reveal his cheating ways to the whole league.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

I would do some more digging to see if there is more circumstantial evidence against the commish. First you said that he has 3 games against 3 bad teams. Other than you who he is only playing once, what other 2 teams is he only playing once and what are their records? Second, you are only playing him once. What team are you playing 3 times and what is their record?I would also e-mail the league and see if anyone printed out their schedule at the beginning of the season, to see if the schedule was altered at all during the season. Based on him playing 3 bad teams 3 times, it sure seems possible (if not probable) that he changed the schedule once the season was underway. The fact that you play doubleheaders each week, may have given him some assurance that no one would notice. I hope if he is cheating that you catch him and reveal his cheating ways to the whole league.

I play the 4th place team 3 times and the Commish (5th place) once so I have not gotten "screwed" as to my own schedule although that is hardly the point. Again, in 2009 (the league has been around for 7 years) the schedule appears to have been "balanced" (each team played the other 13 teams twice)

 

[emge]

schedules should be created and finalized before the start of the season

I think they should be set before the draft.Otherwise as the Commish you can go ahead and schedule your team vs teams who have their TOP players on bye.

 

[two_dollars]

Fishy. In 10 years, the one thing CBS has always gotten right is we play everyone twice.

 

[One]

Wouldn't it be highlighted in red if the commish made changes?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

schedules should be created and finalized before the start of the season

I think they should be set before the draft.Otherwise as the Commish you can go ahead and schedule your team vs teams who have their TOP players on bye.

100% agree. However, the issue here is was the schedule changed by the commish after the season started? I can't think of any logic as to how an automated schedule maker (again for a 1 division, 14 teams, 13 week season with doubleheaders) would ever generate a schedule that would have anything other than each team playing the other 13 teams twice each.

 

[dhockster]

schedules should be created and finalized before the start of the season

I think they should be set before the draft.Otherwise as the Commish you can go ahead and schedule your team vs teams who have their TOP players on bye.

100% agree. However, the issue here is was the schedule changed by the commish after the season started? I can't think of any logic as to how an automated schedule maker (again for a 1 division, 14 teams, 13 week season with doubleheaders) would ever generate a schedule that would have anything other than each team playing the other 13 teams twice each.

I agree with this. That is why you should see if anyone in the league printed out the schedule at the beginning of the season. Or try talking to CBS to see if they can tell you if the schedule was changed during the season. They should have some sort of audit function which will list out all transactions done by the commish.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I agree with this. That is why you should see if anyone in the league printed out the schedule at the beginning of the season. Or try talking to CBS to see if they can tell you if the schedule was changed during the season. They should have some sort of audit function which will list out all transactions done by the commish.

Yeah, I have a phone number for CBS support which I will use if they don't give me something concrete back in the reply to the email that I sent them.

I'm pretty sure that this is some form of foul play, based on the personalities involved. Blowing the whistle becomes a bit of a sensitive matter as this is a long standing local league and the Commish happens to be the "boss" of about 1/2 the members of the league so are there are some members of the league that may be apt to not "stir the pot".

Also, this situation does not lend itself to a great "remedy" as it will be next to impossible to "correct" the schedule with only 3 games remaining without resorting to altering matchups that have already occurred. Sitting in 2nd place I am in a good position to "cash" in the league so "blowing things up" 10/13ths through the season is not in my interest. On the other hand I am not going to simply "ignore" the situation.

 

[Tanner9919]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

whether or not you're right,you should have checked the schedule before the season started and brought up any problems at that point.Unfortunately, you probably can't change things now..

 

[Insein]

I commish a CBS league and I ALWAYS go back and manually check the schedule to make sure it did it the way I wanted it to. It has been correct the last couple of years but there were other seasons where the default schedule that was generated had me sratching my head and I had to manually fix it.I would alert your commish but I am not sure if changing the schedule once the season starts is the right thing to do.

Same here. May just be an oversight. I've noticed sometimes that schedules can be screwed up. Ive taken to generating my own every season randomly and then setting it up. More work but I know its right when its done.

 

[dhockster]

Yeah, I have a phone number for CBS support which I will use if they don't give me something concrete back in the reply to the email that I sent them.I'm pretty sure that this is some form of foul play, based on the personalities involved. Blowing the whistle becomes a bit of a sensitive matter as this is a long standing local league and the Commish happens to be the "boss" of about 1/2 the members of the league so are there are some members of the league that may be apt to not "stir the pot".Also, this situation does not lend itself to a great "remedy" as it will be next to impossible to "correct" the schedule with only 3 games remaining without resorting to altering matchups that have already occurred. Sitting in 2nd place I am in a good position to "cash" in the league so "blowing things up" 10/13ths through the season is not in my interest. On the other hand I am not going to simply "ignore" the situation.

If you are able to get proof from CBS that the commish changed the schedule, they can probably tell you what the original schedule was. The only fair thing would be to re-do the standings based on the original schedule. I am not saying people will be happy with that, and you're right, you may be causing more trouble than people are willing to deal with, but if nothing else happens, I think you need to expose the commish as a cheater.Obviously, after this year, don't ever play in a league with this guy as commish.

 

[wudaben]

I commish a couple 12 team/2 division/13 week regular season CBS leagues and CBS's normal schedule for us is always 5 games against my division, 6 games against the opposite division and 2 games against my division again. Each year I alter the schedule so we play 5 games against our division, 3 games against random teams from the opposing division and 5 teams from my division again. Since our divisional rankings directly effect our playoff rankings we use this schedule so we play each of our divisional opponents twice. There have been times when I've screwed up (or assumed it was me) and I've got two teams playing the same opponent in the future or something like that and I've had to go in and modify the schedule to correct the error so I can guarantee that CBS will let you modify the schedule mid season and also I've never seen anywhere on the website where it records these modifications.

I've never setup a 14 team league so I've never seen their normal schedule layout for such but from my experience it always seems like they go in the order of all the teams in your division, all the teams in the opposing division and then starts over with your own division again until it reaches the last week so from what you are describing it does appear a little fishy.

 

[netnalp]

I play in a cbs league and I know there was one season were the schedule was automated and I'm not sure why but it didn't come out correctly and the commish fixed it.

I do check schedules when in leagues with commishes I don't know well because I was in a league where the commish's husband "randomly" got the #1 pick 3 years in a row. And another where the schedule came out after the draft and the commish obviously manipulated the schedule so he played each team when their best players were on bye.

Now in leagues I insist that the schedule come out before the draft and is generated by a random schedule generator site.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I play in a couple of CBS leagues both as a Commish and non-Commish.In one of the leagues that I am non-commish, I suspect some foul play with respect to the schedule.League Parameters: 1 division, 14 team league, 13 week regular season, Each team plays doubleheaders each week.Thus, I would assume that the default automated CBS schedule system would generate a schedule in which each team should play the other 13 teams twice. In fact I did a quick check on the 2009 schedule of my team and that was indeed the case.I am currently in the thick of the playoff race (2nd place, top 6 make playoffs) and thus started to look ahead at the remaining games. I also happen to look at the commish's schedule (he is in 5th place) and am surprised to see that he only is to play my team once during the regular season (out of 26 total games, 13 weeks * 2 opponents) and that he is slated to play 3 of the teams in the league 3 times each during the regular season. 3 guesses as to the caliber of these 3 opponents that the commish has the "fortune" to play 3 times each? These 3 teams are currently in 12th, 13th and 14th place, respectively. This is a $250 entry fee league so there is money at stake.I have sent CBS a question on the mechanics of their automated scheduling system and have not heard back. I would appreciate any insight that any CBS commishioners or players can provide on this situation. Foul play or "flukey scheduling luck"???

whether or not you're right,you should have checked the schedule before the season started and brought up any problems at that point.Unfortunately, you probably can't change things now..

I don't agree. The draft was 2 days before the season started, an in-person live auction draft. The following day the commish inputted the rosters. Yes, I suppose that I could have taken it upon myself to have printed out a copy of the overall league schedule right before the 1st Thursday night game, but the only reason I would have done ( times 6 because I play in 6 leagues) so is to serve as evidence for potential future cheating. More importantly, I suspect that the schedule was altered many weeks into the season once it became evident that there were a few really bad teams. In a 14 team league there are always a few teams that lose a key RB and are resorting to starting guys like Maroney & Lynch as their starting backfield by about week 5 or so.Again with a 14 team league and a 13 week regular season and only 1 division, there should be no other result other than a "balanced" schedule (each week you simply play a different one of the other 13 teams, rescramble order of teams and repeat algorithm to attain a doubleheader schedule).

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I play in a cbs league and I know there was one season were the schedule was automated and I'm not sure why but it didn't come out correctly and the commish fixed it.I do check schedules when in leagues with commishes I don't know well because I was in a league where the commish's husband "randomly" got the #1 pick 3 years in a row. And another where the schedule came out after the draft and the commish obviously manipulated the schedule so he played each team when their best players were on bye.Now in leagues I insist that the schedule come out before the draft and is generated by a random schedule generator site.

Again good guidance. However, my situation appears to be a much more blatant form of schedule rigging beyond trying to cherry pick favorable matchups over the next 13 weeks. To me it appears like simply modifying the schedule midway through the year to replace strong opponents with extra games against weak opponents. Presuming with the fact that the doubleheader nature of the league makes it less likely to get caught and the "defense" would likely be if called upon it, "don't blame me this is simply the schedule that CBS generated".

 

[dhockster]

Any update? I am curious if you found out your commish was cheating.

 

[george]

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