CBS sues NFL Players over fantasy football (1 Viewer)

[captbly]

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=454045

 

[Superbowl Shuffle]

Perhaps this is why they don't show the pictures anymore on the website player pages or game previews. I like to know that my fantasy team looks tough enough to beat the competition.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

The NFLPA can eat #### and die on this issue.

 

[BR33ZE]

The NFLPA can eat #### and die on this issue.

well put.

 

[hostile]

Yet another classic example of someone not being able to see the forest for the trees in terms of what unsolicited advertising/popularity does for their business (see also RIAA, MPAA).

 

[aburt19]

It's also a case of the players association being too stupid to know that MLB and the major league baseball players association has lost on the same issues.

They will just be wasting money on legal fees for a case that they aren't going to win.

It's just another case of greed by the players association. They just want to take a little money out of the pockets of fantasy football players by trying to force

CBS to charge more for their service.

 

[hotdogcollars]

The NFL and the NFLPA are ruthless. To the point of killing an ant with a 2000lb bomb. Good for CBS taking a proactive stance and throwing around some of their muscle. That's about all I'm allowed to say on that

 

[jaybebo]

Not to mention...the only reason I have NFL Ticket is to be able to watch all the games due to Fantasy football...otherwise, I could find other uses for the $300.00 I shell out each year.

 

[strong]

It's also a case of the players association being too stupid to know that MLB and the major league baseball players association has lost on the same issues.They will just be wasting money on legal fees for a case that they aren't going to win.

No. First the NFLPA hadn't sued CBS yet, they'd just asked for money that CBS had ponied up in the past. They might have eventually sued, they might not--either way there's no harm in asking for the money. Second IF the NFLPA was to sue, they probably would have sued in another circuit then the MLBPA suit and they probably would have tried to pick a circuit with more favorable laws. Who knows if they'd have won but the recent MLBPA suit would have had limited effect on that outcome since it would have been in another circuit and not binding. More than likely, though, the NFLPA delayed a suit against CBS BECAUSE of the recent MLBPA case and the feeling that winning a case would have been difficult. The NFLPA does appear to have made the mistake of allowing CBS to file suit first in a favorable circuit where a very similar case was recently decided against a players association but it's unlikely they were going to sue CBS in the first place...

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Yet another classic example of someone not being able to see the forest for the trees in terms of what unsolicited advertising/popularity does for their business (see also RIAA, MPAA).

The RIAA is up in arms because people are stealing the very thing that makes them money. It would be like somebody finding a way to make fake NFL tickets so anyone could go just print them up from their computer and go for free.Here, the NFLPA is trying to eek out a few more bucks on something that is NOT their source of income. It's a money grab.

 

[captbly]

Yet another classic example of someone not being able to see the forest for the trees in terms of what unsolicited advertising/popularity does for their business (see also RIAA, MPAA).

The RIAA is up in arms because people are stealing the very thing that makes them money. It would be like somebody finding a way to make fake NFL tickets so anyone could go just print them up from their computer and go for free.Here, the NFLPA is trying to eek out a few more bucks on something that is NOT their source of income. It's a money grab.

dont get me started on the RIAA and Biden...I hope they both go to hell....now back to the regular scheduled broadcast.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Yet another classic example of someone not being able to see the forest for the trees in terms of what unsolicited advertising/popularity does for their business (see also RIAA, MPAA).

The RIAA is up in arms because people are stealing the very thing that makes them money. It would be like somebody finding a way to make fake NFL tickets so anyone could go just print them up from their computer and go for free.Here, the NFLPA is trying to eek out a few more bucks on something that is NOT their source of income. It's a money grab.

They have to grab at everything they can because their main revenue streams have plateaued...or even begun to regress a bit. How much does the passing of Upshaw have to do with timing of this?

 

[Whizzinator]

It's also a case of the players association being too stupid to know that MLB and the major league baseball players association has lost on the same issues.They will just be wasting money on legal fees for a case that they aren't going to win.

No. First the NFLPA hadn't sued CBS yet, they'd just asked for money that CBS had ponied up in the past. They might have eventually sued, they might not--either way there's no harm in asking for the money. Second IF the NFLPA was to sue, they probably would have sued in another circuit then the MLBPA suit and they probably would have tried to pick a circuit with more favorable laws. Who knows if they'd have won but the recent MLBPA suit would have had limited effect on that outcome since it would have been in another circuit and not binding. More than likely, though, the NFLPA delayed a suit against CBS BECAUSE of the recent MLBPA case and the feeling that winning a case would have been difficult. The NFLPA does appear to have made the mistake of allowing CBS to file suit first in a favorable circuit where a very similar case was recently decided against a players association but it's unlikely they were going to sue CBS in the first place...

I don't think this is a very realistic description of the situation. It's possible NFLPA would get a better judgment elsewhere, sure, but it's not particularly likely and there's little chance of 'more favorable laws' being an issue since the 8th Circuit opinion was based on an interpretation of the First Amendment, which applies equally to all US jurisdictions. You can hypothesize some state conjuring a different basis for a countervailing property right, but it remains highly unlikely it'll trump the 1st Amend concerns that drove the decision in the MLBPA case ultimately, imo

 

[hotdogcollars]

It's also a case of the players association being too stupid to know that MLB and the major league baseball players association has lost on the same issues.They will just be wasting money on legal fees for a case that they aren't going to win.

No. First the NFLPA hadn't sued CBS yet, they'd just asked for money that CBS had ponied up in the past. They might have eventually sued, they might not--either way there's no harm in asking for the money. Second IF the NFLPA was to sue, they probably would have sued in another circuit then the MLBPA suit and they probably would have tried to pick a circuit with more favorable laws. Who knows if they'd have won but the recent MLBPA suit would have had limited effect on that outcome since it would have been in another circuit and not binding. More than likely, though, the NFLPA delayed a suit against CBS BECAUSE of the recent MLBPA case and the feeling that winning a case would have been difficult. The NFLPA does appear to have made the mistake of allowing CBS to file suit first in a favorable circuit where a very similar case was recently decided against a players association but it's unlikely they were going to sue CBS in the first place...

I don't think this is a very realistic description of the situation. It's possible NFLPA would get a better judgment elsewhere, sure, but it's not particularly likely and there's little chance of 'more favorable laws' being an issue since the 8th Circuit opinion was based on an interpretation of the First Amendment, which applies equally to all US jurisdictions. You can hypothesize some state conjuring a different basis for a countervailing property right, but it remains highly unlikely it'll trump the 1st Amend concerns that drove the decision in the MLBPA case ultimately, imo

So, why the preemptive move by CBS, in your opinion? Honest question.

 

[jwinston2]

It's also a case of the players association being too stupid to know that MLB and the major league baseball players association has lost on the same issues.They will just be wasting money on legal fees for a case that they aren't going to win.

No. First the NFLPA hadn't sued CBS yet, they'd just asked for money that CBS had ponied up in the past. They might have eventually sued, they might not--either way there's no harm in asking for the money. Second IF the NFLPA was to sue, they probably would have sued in another circuit then the MLBPA suit and they probably would have tried to pick a circuit with more favorable laws. Who knows if they'd have won but the recent MLBPA suit would have had limited effect on that outcome since it would have been in another circuit and not binding. More than likely, though, the NFLPA delayed a suit against CBS BECAUSE of the recent MLBPA case and the feeling that winning a case would have been difficult. The NFLPA does appear to have made the mistake of allowing CBS to file suit first in a favorable circuit where a very similar case was recently decided against a players association but it's unlikely they were going to sue CBS in the first place...

I don't think this is a very realistic description of the situation. It's possible NFLPA would get a better judgment elsewhere, sure, but it's not particularly likely and there's little chance of 'more favorable laws' being an issue since the 8th Circuit opinion was based on an interpretation of the First Amendment, which applies equally to all US jurisdictions. You can hypothesize some state conjuring a different basis for a countervailing property right, but it remains highly unlikely it'll trump the 1st Amend concerns that drove the decision in the MLBPA case ultimately, imo

You don't live in the 9th Circuit do you? Out here on the West the 9th Circuit has little care of petty things such as First Amendments and applying equally to all US jurisdictions. These are distractions that the other circuits can worry about but not the good old 9th.

 

[BaBastage]

Yet another classic example of someone not being able to see the forest for the trees in terms of what unsolicited advertising/popularity does for their business (see also RIAA, MPAA).

You nailed it. Remember the years before Fantasy became mainstream? If you were a wr-3, virtually no one knew who you were outside your home town. Now? You can bet your bum the players are getting more exposure (read: marketability) with Fantasy than without. This sort of stuff makes me want to vomit.

 

[Bri]

Sportsline does the NFL's leagues, GL beating that combo NFLPA

 

[Rockchild]

Sportsline does the NFL's leagues, GL beating that combo NFLPA

This explains the whole situation. If Sportsline does the NFL's fantasy leagues then I could see the players wanting a piece of it. I'm not saying they should get a piece of it but the fact that the league is involved explains why they want a claim on it.

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't see how the NFLPA has much of a stance. What propreitary information is CBS using that isn't printed in every newspaper in the US? The information is in the public domain.

 

[treat88]

You nailed it. Remember the years before Fantasy became mainstream? If you were a wr-3, virtually no one knew who you were outside your home town. Now? You can bet your bum the players are getting more exposure (read: marketability) with Fantasy than without. This sort of stuff makes me want to vomit.

FF is one of the prime contributing factors for the growth of the NFL revenues/popularity and subsequently growth of player salaries.Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.I'll take free national advertising for my business any day of the week.

 

[CrossEyed]

More NFL arrogance.

Not allowed to say "Super Bowl", not allowed to show the game on a big screen at a church or retirement home, not allowed to run a fantasy site without paying the players.

 

[BigRed]

Not trying to make light of his death at all, but you can thank Gene Upshaw for the NFLPA's brilliant attitude.

 

[renesauz]

It's also a case of the players association being too stupid to know that MLB and the major league baseball players association has lost on the same issues.

They will just be wasting money on legal fees for a case that they aren't going to win.

No. First the NFLPA hadn't sued CBS yet, they'd just asked for money that CBS had ponied up in the past. They might have eventually sued, they might not--either way there's no harm in asking for the money.

Second IF the NFLPA was to sue, they probably would have sued in another circuit then the MLBPA suit and they probably would have tried to pick a circuit with more favorable laws. Who knows if they'd have won but the recent MLBPA suit would have had limited effect on that outcome since it would have been in another circuit and not binding.

More than likely, though, the NFLPA delayed a suit against CBS BECAUSE of the recent MLBPA case and the feeling that winning a case would have been difficult. The NFLPA does appear to have made the mistake of allowing CBS to file suit first in a favorable circuit where a very similar case was recently decided against a players association but it's unlikely they were going to sue CBS in the first place...

I don't think that bolded part is true. The laws involved are federal laws, not state/local, so the district shouldn't technically matter. BUT (and this is a big but), there are differences in the leanings/interpretations of different judges. Should the NFLPA been able to start something in another distrct with another federal judge more likely to agree with them, it could have forced the supreme court to take a closer look....something they (the supreme court) have decided NOT to do with the MLB suit. (Kind of like the differences between Republican/Democrat or liberal/conservative)As it stands now, the refusal of the supreme court to even listen to the appeal of the MLBPA bodes well for fantasy sports in general. My guess is that the NFLPA backs off of their current stance.