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Chad Johnson complaining of bad ankle, back (1 Viewer)

Mike McKenzie did this with the Packers, but his was a hamstring. I really thought more players would have pulled this.

 
CINCINNATI -- As promised, Cincinnati Bengals receiver Chad Johnson showed up for the first day of team minicamp Thursday. JohnsonThe disgruntled receiver arrived for the 8 a.m. team meeting. The first practice began at 9:45 a.m. and Johnson was on the field at 9:57.Johnson didn't run any routes or catch a single pass during the morning practice. Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said Johnson expressed to the medical staff that he had an ailment and was unable to participate. Lewis didn't specify the ailment and added that the team will investigate Johnson's claim. According to Johnson's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, Johnson's ankle is bothering him, and he may need arthroscopy this summer. Johnson's back also has been aching. Both ailments are from last season. The Bengals released a statement before the afternoon practice that, to a degree, conflicted Johnson's claims: "Chad Johnson was given a physical this morning by one of the Bengals' team doctors. He did not report any physical problems to the doctor, and he was cleared by the doctor for practice. Later, after the physical was concluded, Chad told our training staff that his back was sore. He refused to practice."Johnson has been sending mixed signals for the past few weeks on whether he was going to rejoin the team. He was adamant this offseason about his desire to be traded, but the Bengals did not seriously entertain his requests. Had he missed this minicamp, he would have been subject to an $8,000 fine.
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The Bengals have just released this statement in response to comments by agent Drew Rosenhaus that Chad Johnson has an ankle injury.

"Chad Johnson was given a physical this morning by one of the Bengals' team doctors. He did not report any physical problems to the doctor, and he was cleared by the doctor to practice. Later, after the physical was concluded, he told our training staff that his back was sore. He refused to practice."

 
Verbal Kint said:
The Bengals have just released this statement in response to comments by agent Drew Rosenhaus that Chad Johnson has an ankle injury."Chad Johnson was given a physical this morning by one of the Bengals' team doctors. He did not report any physical problems to the doctor, and he was cleared by the doctor to practice. Later, after the physical was concluded, he told our training staff that his back was sore. He refused to practice."
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that last sentence is key. This could get uglier quick...
 
I love watching Chad Johnson make a spectacle of himself, but I'm even happier that last year was the final year I was able to keep him in my favorite league. It's not going to be pretty this year.

 
I love how the team seems to have the mentality of moving forward despite his ####. Palmer and Simpson seem to be working very closely, and I love the fact that the Bengals went as heavy as they did at Wr in the draft and free agency. It gets overlooked, but they went early at Wr, and likely, one or both (Simpson & Caldwell) will be heavily involved before it's all said and done.

 
cstu said:
Wasn't this the same thing TO pulled a couple years ago?
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precisely. Do I have to quote AI here? ETA: Beat me to itRotoworld:

Chris Perry, Chad Johnson, and Willie Anderson (knee) were all on the field to start the second day of Bengals minicamp Friday.

It's noteworthy for Perry because there were two practices on Thursday. For the first time since 2005, Perry has managed to stay healthy through a practice season. He's now the favorite to backup Rudi Johnson. It's uncertain how much practicing Chad Johnson will do Friday.

 
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Rushmore said:
I love how the team seems to have the mentality of moving forward despite his ####. Palmer and Simpson seem to be working very closely, and I love the fact that the Bengals went as heavy as they did at Wr in the draft and free agency. It gets overlooked, but they went early at Wr, and likely, one or both (Simpson & Caldwell) will be heavily involved before it's all said and done.
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this could get ugly. I get the feeling the front office is going to play hardball and not give in to trade demands due to the bonus money that has been paid by the reworking of his last deal. CJ will continue making a circus out of camp. CJ seems like a the kind of baby that will put forth the worst effort if he doesn't get what he wants. maybe even deliberately dropping passes in a game to be spitefull. Either he's getting traded or he'll be the biggest cancer, maybe to the point where he'll get suspended
 
OK, when everyone was freaking about his holdout I laid out the Rosenhaus playbook, and turned out to be right. The first part was threatening a holdout from camp and then reporting to camp anyway. Here's the second part:

1. Show up for OTAs and minis but make up an ailment and sit for part of it

I'll go one step further and say that the mix up about the back and the ankle was on purpose to let everyone know that there is still potential trouble and they are still serious about whatever it is they really want (I still beleive they'd be just as happy with a max contract as with a trade)

2. Get the media talking about the situation again

Check

3. Overcome mysterious ailment and practice once point has been gotten across

Check

4. Take any and every interview granted and use every single one to negotiate with the team through the media

Coming soon...

5. Once camp begins mysterious ailment reappears...wait for reaction from media and Bengals, repeat steps 3 & 4

6. In final week of camp, undergo a "change of heart" once it is clear a trade will not happen until the offseason; get back in QB's, HC's good graces

7. Post monster numbers in 08, playing in all 16 games

8. Bengals miss playoffs once again due to team dysfunction, lack of defense, Lewis fired in offseason

9. Depending on new coach, either ask for better deal or trade.

10. Manage media reaction, portray CJ as a guy who will always play his hardest, but really just wants the chance to play for a team that is committed to winning a championship, turn image of CJ from crybaby to would-be champion, victimized by a team that just wants to waste his talent

That is the Rosenhaus playbook, If you think it won't happen, look at TO. Remember all the talk about how he came back from a broken leg to play in the SB? Notice how little people talk about TO as a problem anymore? The only change is that Rosenhaus learned that he pushed it too hard with TO and the Eagles. He has been noticeably more diplomatic in his team relations since.

 
Here is a link with a brief conversation between Lewis and Chad. Not sure what to make of it.

link

The article and sound are at the bottom under sports.

 
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The only thing I get from those clips is that Chad is sticking to the Rosenhaus playbook, and that Lewis is a really bad coach. Not from the clip with Chad, but the clip after it. He practically begs #55 to get into practice. Looks like he has no control over that team. Could you imagine Bill Parcells begging a player to participate? Hell no. He's gone after this season.

 
bcat01 said:
Here is a link with a brief conversation between Lewis and Chad. Not sure what to make of it.

link

The article and sound are at the bottom under sports.
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I get the impression there's still tension between the two. Lewis sounds like he's poking at Chad when he says, "When you gonna come show me some love?" He's antagonizing him and Chad falls for it and shows his true colors with the cameras everywhere
 
Tecmo said:
bcat01 said:
Here is a link with a brief conversation between Lewis and Chad. Not sure what to make of it.

link

The article and sound are at the bottom under sports.
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I get the impression there's still tension between the two. Lewis sounds like he's poking at Chad when he says, "When you gonna come show me some love?" He's antagonizing him and Chad falls for it and shows his true colors with the cameras everywhere
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To each his own I guess. After seeing the same video I can away with the impression that Lewis has no clue what he is doing. A HC should not be asking for "love" from his players. He shouldn't care one whit whether they like him or not. What he should care about is if they respect him and will give 100% for him. Everything I saw in both videos shows me a picture of a coach who has no control over his lockerroom and no clue how to get it.
 
sholditch said:
OK, when everyone was freaking about his holdout I laid out the Rosenhaus playbook, and turned out to be right. The first part was threatening a holdout from camp and then reporting to camp anyway. Here's the second part:

1. Show up for OTAs and minis but make up an ailment and sit for part of it

I'll go one step further and say that the mix up about the back and the ankle was on purpose to let everyone know that there is still potential trouble and they are still serious about whatever it is they really want (I still beleive they'd be just as happy with a max contract as with a trade)

2. Get the media talking about the situation again

Check

3. Overcome mysterious ailment and practice once point has been gotten across

Check

4. Take any and every interview granted and use every single one to negotiate with the team through the media

Coming soon...

5. Once camp begins mysterious ailment reappears...wait for reaction from media and Bengals, repeat steps 3 & 4

6. In final week of camp, undergo a "change of heart" once it is clear a trade will not happen until the offseason; get back in QB's, HC's good graces

7. Post monster numbers in 08, playing in all 16 games

8. Bengals miss playoffs once again due to team dysfunction, lack of defense, Lewis fired in offseason

9. Depending on new coach, either ask for better deal or trade.

10. Manage media reaction, portray CJ as a guy who will always play his hardest, but really just wants the chance to play for a team that is committed to winning a championship, turn image of CJ from crybaby to would-be champion, victimized by a team that just wants to waste his talent

That is the Rosenhaus playbook, If you think it won't happen, look at TO. Remember all the talk about how he came back from a broken leg to play in the SB? Notice how little people talk about TO as a problem anymore? The only change is that Rosenhaus learned that he pushed it too hard with TO and the Eagles. He has been noticeably more diplomatic in his team relations since.
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:pickle: Here is an interesting quote from an unnamed NFL executive

The official said teams in the NFL are aware of Rosenhaus' tactics. He

gets a player, goes public with contract demands and then attempts to

get the team to engage him in a public debate about the worth of his

player. He believes deep down Rosenhaus knows he has no shot with the

Eagles, "I think he just picked on the wrong opponent," he said. "Right

now there is no back and forth negociation. It's one party talking so

loud it's forced the team to make a statement and I'd be shocked if you

heard the team comment again on this. Because that's the agent's trap

that he sets...that once you start talking, then you're engaged, that

becomes publicized and then he can uses that to his benefit."

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Al...1/msg01337.html
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The funny thing is that this quote is from the TO fiasco in 2005. Comparing the two situations:

TO signs a seven-year 49 million dollar deal.

Chad Johnson signs a large deal; don’t have the exact numbers

Here is a quote from Rosenhaus on how pleased he was:

In terms of 'new money,' and just being unique from the standpoint of being able to do something for a player who still had four years left on his [existing] contract, it's really monumental," said agent Drew Rosenhaus, who was hired by Johnson a year ago to upgrade his contract "As long as I've been doing this, I've never been able to get an extension like this, basically because of the time remaining on the contract. It's historical. And it's a testament to Chad, and how well he's performed, and to Bengals management for the way they have handled this and the commitment they've made to him. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2415464
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One year after TO signed a long-term deal with the Eagles he wants a new contractTwo years after Johnson sign a long-term deal with the Bengals he wants a new contract.

In both cases the players indicated they were pleased with the deal when they signed it.

Both players threaten to hold out of camp until they get a new contract.

We know how the TO siutation ended, wonder what happens here.

 
Look at how he has handled similar situations since TO. I think he took a lesson from that that these things can go too far and it could actually hurt his career. I seem to remember one or two big-name clients dropping him for other agents after that and I think he pulled back. I think what happened with Briggs is more his newer, more diplomatic style.

ETA: Ahem

Rotoworld

Speaking for the first time at Bengals minicamp Friday, Chad Johnson said, "I'm happy. I don't have nothing to be mad about."

Johnson insisted he was in a good mood on Thursday as well. NFL Network reporter Scott Hansen, who was kissed on the cheek by Ocho Cinco in a response to a question, probably agrees. The Bengals don't seem to know where this is going, but it looks like Johnson is backing down from any possibility of "going T.O." on them. Jun. 13 - 12:42 pm et

and the good cop, bad cop begins

 
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sholditch said:
Look at how he has handled similar situations since TO. I think he took a lesson from that that these things can go too far and it could actually hurt his career. I seem to remember one or two big-name clients dropping him for other agents after that and I think he pulled back. I think what happened with Briggs is more his newer, more diplomatic style.

ETA: Ahem

Rotoworld

Speaking for the first time at Bengals minicamp Friday, Chad Johnson said, "I'm happy. I don't have nothing to be mad about."

Johnson insisted he was in a good mood on Thursday as well. NFL Network reporter Scott Hansen, who was kissed on the cheek by Ocho Cinco in a response to a question, probably agrees. The Bengals don't seem to know where this is going, but it looks like Johnson is backing down from any possibility of "going T.O." on them. Jun. 13 - 12:42 pm et

and the good cop, bad cop begins
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