Chad Johnson (1 Viewer)

[azngangster]

Even with the shoulder injury and the whole mess with Chad involving the trade requests, I am still surprised that Chad is lasting until the 5th and 6th rounds in many leagues.

It seems to me that he could be a huge steal at where he is being taken, as a number 2 wr. This guy used to be a perrenial top 5 wr pick and he was always selected in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

How do you all feel Chad will do this year? I think he will do more of the same.

90 rec 1350 yds 8tds

If he hits close to those numbers, that is a steal in the 5th round folks. I know he is high risk for some people, but he is hard to pass up when he is lasting past the middle rounds.

 

[blackjack23]

Who?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think it's the shoulder thing that bothers folks more than the antics. There's just always someone else that I'd rather go with. By the time he's taken, I'm still looking to shore up positions; not take flyers. I don't have any confidence to rely on him for anything.

Could be a steal, or be a bust that a lot of people saw coming.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Even with the shoulder injury and the whole mess with Chad involving the trade requests, I am still surprised that Chad is lasting until the 5th and 6th rounds in many leagues. It seems to me that he could be a huge steal at where he is being taken, as a number 2 wr. This guy used to be a perrenial top 5 wr pick and he was always selected in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.How do you all feel Chad will do this year? I think he will do more of the same.90 rec 1350 yds 8tdsIf he hits close to those numbers, that is a steal in the 5th round folks. I know he is high risk for some people, but he is hard to pass up when he is lasting past the middle rounds.

But, as always, expect 2 games of 3 TDs each and then expect worse production than Bobby Engram for the remaining weeks as you continue to lose your weekly match up because someone's WR3 performs as well as him as he puts up 4 catches for 47 yards.

 

[radballs]

What kind of league is it where he's lasting into the 5th round or later?

 

[MSULions]

every draft i've been in in since the shoulder injury. Lots of folks - myself included - don't think he'll make it through the season with a shoulder in such bad shape. but others still can't stay away once he gets into the late 4th or 5th rounds. Frankly, i don't see him playing more than 10 games and having many subpar weeks in those he does play. I also don't want to deal with the whole "will he or won't he" crap every week a la Marvin last year.

 

[taz]

I also don't want to deal with the whole "will he or won't he" crap every week a la Marvin last year.

His numbers in the end might justify a fifth-round pick, but I wouldn't be comfortable starting him week-to-week. He's one shot away from giving you a big-fat zero - a little risky for my taste.

 

[puckalicious]

CJ, uh I mean COC, has bust written all over him this year. He gets alot of single-digit point games, the last 3 years he's gone from 6 to 9 to 10 games under 10 points non-PPR. I see at least 10 games this year of less than 10 points so I really do not like him as my WR2.

 

[Soaring Eagle]

Use this to your advantage

I took him in the 4th and was thrilled

He finishes with the same numbers every year

 

[RFFACommish]

This guy keeps wanting to trade me chad + a a late pick for Brandon Marshall...I think I would do it if his shoulder wasn't hurt..What do you all think?

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

What kind of league is it where he's lasting into the 5th round or later?

He went 5.01 Fri night in my fairly knowledgeable 14 team league with many Bengals homers.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If the shoulder pops out again, he's going to have to get surgery and go on IR. I can't put a number on how likely that is, but Chad likes to play in the air, and he's the kind of player that inspires opponents to try to hurt him. He's not Marvin Harrison, COC's playing style leaves him open to getting dumped on that gimpy shoulder or nailed by an angry safety over the middle. I wouldn't risk it this year until guys like Bowe and Cotchery are off the board.

 

[UFO]

Posted this Friday, will post again here. He has lasted to at least the 5th in every draft I have been in and his ADP is also in that area.

here is a way to eleviate the risk....

OK so Chad Johnson fell to the me in the 5 th round in the first year of a very competetive 12 team 2 keeper league (points per rec league). I must say I did not do much research on him or the injury because quite honestly even with the injury I did not anticipate him falling this low. So it was probably my most hasty and uncalculated pick of the draft....needless to say I grabbed him! Everyone was saying man you stole him but I was less enthused, I really think he is a very very high risk player this year and having gone RB/RB/WR/RB i probably could have went with a safer WR pick but again just felt I had to grab him.

So my team at this point was LT/Bush/Edge/Andre Johnson/Chad Johnson...pretty solid on paper but still was not feeling great about CJ as my #2, also am not a super big beilever in Andre Johnson but when he was there at pick #25 I felt the value/upside was too great to pass up.

THEN it dawned on me, Chris Henry was just resigned. Now while he is suspended for 4 games he is an incredible insurance policy and could possibly have a tremendous opportunity to become the Bengals #1 WR (hear me out on that one). I grabbed him in the 10th, probably too early but certainly more valuable to me with Chad. I antcipate Chad playing maybe 50% of the games this year so Henry's return coincides perfectly with

1. He knows the system so missing camp is not a huge deal

2. He is definitely more of a talent then TJ, talking pure WR, maybe he will finally get his act together mentally. (If you disagree with this I am pretty sure you have never watched him play, he is also a monster in the red zone)

3. Johnson and TJ appear to both have one foot in the grave and the other on a banna peel when it comes to injuries. Chad has a shoulder that if pops out again will end his season and TJ has hammy issues that have presevented him from playing AT ALL in preseason...I personally don't like my WRs to start the season with hammy injuries

4. I have to think Henry is on a very very short leash with the organization. Heard this morning that Pac Man has constant security monitoring with regards to where he is and who he with at all times, Jerry Jones gets a daily report. I have to think the Bengals are doing the same with Henry.

5. Just days ago we all found out that the Bengals are trying to shop Rudi for a real WR....that speaks volumes about the concerns they must have about both CJ and TJ, becaus e as any Bengal fan can attest to there are much bigger needs than WR on this team.

All and all I think this strategy could pay the biggest dividends of the draft. For a 5th and a 10th you will have a pretty darn good chance of getting high WR#2s.

Would like to hear your thoughts. Hope this helps some people in upcoming drafts.

 

[ratdog]

Got him in the 5th

5.5 and was very happy.

Everyone in the NFL is 1 hit from a BIG ZERO

 

[JGalligan]

Chad Johnson's situation this year feels a lot like Randy Moss' last year. People downgraded them contrary to common sense because they thought his character and off the field issues would effect his play.

Now, I'm not saying Chad Johnson is going to have the type of season Moss had last year, but I am saying he's going to put up his usual share of fantasy points. And yes, that includes if he's traded to another team.

 

[David Yudkin]

Chad Johnson's situation this year feels a lot like Randy Moss' last year. People downgraded them contrary to common sense because they thought his character and off the field issues would effect his play.Now, I'm not saying Chad Johnson is going to have the type of season Moss had last year, but I am saying he's going to put up his usual share of fantasy points. And yes, that includes if he's traded to another team.

Moss didn't start the year needing season ending surgery.

 

[JGalligan]

Chad Johnson's situation this year feels a lot like Randy Moss' last year. People downgraded them contrary to common sense because they thought his character and off the field issues would effect his play.Now, I'm not saying Chad Johnson is going to have the type of season Moss had last year, but I am saying he's going to put up his usual share of fantasy points. And yes, that includes if he's traded to another team.

Moss didn't start the year needing season ending surgery.

Point, Yudkin. Isn't that all speculation, though? Or have you heard there's a bit more to it than just rumors?

 

[taz]

Chad Johnson's situation this year feels a lot like Randy Moss' last year. People downgraded them contrary to common sense because they thought his character and off the field issues would effect his play.Now, I'm not saying Chad Johnson is going to have the type of season Moss had last year, but I am saying he's going to put up his usual share of fantasy points. And yes, that includes if he's traded to another team.

Moss didn't start the year needing season ending surgery.

I smell GTD each week, and he's one hit from exiting any given game. I'll let someone else assume that risk.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

I have been trying to sell Ocho Cinco, but nobody will bite...I can't even get a guy like Holmes for him, who hasn't come close to Chad's numbers. So, I've resorted to trying to trade for Chris Henry, in hopes that he will fill in nicely for Chad when his arm falls off.

 

[David Yudkin]

Chad Johnson's situation this year feels a lot like Randy Moss' last year. People downgraded them contrary to common sense because they thought his character and off the field issues would effect his play.

Now, I'm not saying Chad Johnson is going to have the type of season Moss had last year, but I am saying he's going to put up his usual share of fantasy points. And yes, that includes if he's traded to another team.

Moss didn't start the year needing season ending surgery.

Point, Yudkin. Isn't that all speculation, though? Or have you heard there's a bit more to it than just rumors?

Like with any medical procedure, the conditions and ramifications are in the gray zone. Here's a LINK that discusses the situation. It certainly does not sound like he is healthy, but it does sound like he could play through it. Sounds like his shoulder could pop out even sleeping, and anything further would mean season ending surgery.So the doctors of the world can assess that and decide how healthy he is and what surgery he needs . . .

 

[JGalligan]

I have been trying to sell Ocho Cinco, but nobody will bite...I can't even get a guy like Holmes for him, who hasn't come close to Chad's numbers. So, I've resorted to trying to trade for Chris Henry, in hopes that he will fill in nicely for Chad when his arm falls off.

Yeah, I handcuffed Johnson with Henry as well. It's a good idea and even if he doesn't end up having the surgery, Henry still could make a nice spot fill in for bye weeks and the like.

 

[JGalligan]

Chad Johnson's situation this year feels a lot like Randy Moss' last year. People downgraded them contrary to common sense because they thought his character and off the field issues would effect his play.

Now, I'm not saying Chad Johnson is going to have the type of season Moss had last year, but I am saying he's going to put up his usual share of fantasy points. And yes, that includes if he's traded to another team.

Moss didn't start the year needing season ending surgery.

Point, Yudkin. Isn't that all speculation, though? Or have you heard there's a bit more to it than just rumors?

Like with any medical procedure, the conditions and ramifications are in the gray zone. Here's a LINK that discusses the situation. It certainly does not sound like he is healthy, but it does sound like he could play through it. Sounds like his shoulder could pop out even sleeping, and anything further would mean season ending surgery.So the doctors of the world can assess that and decide how healthy he is and what surgery he needs . . .

Thank you!

 

[footballnerd]

COC's shoulder is barely hanging in its socket, all he needs is a nice pop to finish it off. And now he has a huge target on his back for safeties to knock some sense into him. tick tick .........

 

[Bolted]

When evaluating Chad, you can't just look at his yearly totals. Chad is a boom or bust player. If you are playing him in the couple of games he catches fire, you are thrilled. If you play him the rest of the year he will KILL you. Over the last 2 years HEALTHY, he only has 4 games per year where he actually catches a TD. Do you really want your #1 WR going 12 weeks this year without a TD?

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I took him in the 4th. I'm a little concerned about the shoulder and how Cinci will do in general this season. But we only start two WRs, so I figure the wire will be okay and it was worth the risk. In my other league, where we start 3 and have deeper rosters, I would have been less likely to take him.

 

[azngangster]

I know he is a high risk player, but he presents huge value in the 5th and 6th rounds, where he is being selected as a number 2 wr who has in the past produced number 1 wr numbers.

And although he has been a boom or bust player from a game to game basis recently, he used to be one of the most consistent fantasy wrs to select. And the ones saying he only scores tds in like 4 games, he explodes in those four games. His high point totals that game could alone help you win some games. I know everyone wants a consistent receiver from a game to game basis, but the wr position is the hardest one in fantasy to get consistent production because there are so many factors that are out of the receivers control.

I am just surprised I guess that Chad went from being a 2nd-3rd round pick to becoming a 5th-6th round pick all in the span of a year.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

COC's shoulder is barely hanging in its socket, all he needs is a nice pop to finish it off. And now he has a huge target on his back for safeties to knock some sense into him. tick tick .........

I say everyone at FBGs should refuse to cal lhim COC or Ocho or Cinco or .....he will always be Chad Johnson to me.

 

[tomarken]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

 

[azngangster]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

 

[Stingdiddy]

Ocho Psycho, along with the rest of Cincy's offense, is going to have a sub par season. They have a horrible offensive line and ZERO team unity/chemistry. Personally, I wouldn't draft any of their players (maybe Perry if the value is right).

Anyway, good luck to all of the Ocho Psycho owners. I've always been a fan of Chad, but, the reality is, that offense stinks like my socks after cutting the lawn.

 

[Stingdiddy]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

I've also been a Chad owner in past years and I agree with every word you said.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

I think the same thing. I've owned CJ and sure, I'd love consistent numbers on a weekly basis, but how many WRs do that? I own Steve Smith, too, and it's the same story, but people love to jump on CJ's so-called inconsistency. I'll take his monster numbers any way he gives 'em.

 

[FF Dude]

All signs point to Cinci having a down year, so I'm guessing the FF gods will have a little fun with us and we'll see the most productive offensive year from Cinci since the boomer days.

Chad has been a little inconsistent in the last few years, but last year he almost single handedly won me several games. If you put him in every week as a WR2 or flex player he could be a great value. Lots of WR2 or WR3 are going to be inconsistent unless you go WR/WR in picks 1 and 2, you would count yourself lucky to have COC. If you draft RB/WR/RB/WR/WR you could even get Chad as your WR3.

I think with the offensive line stinking it up, and no established RB, we'll see the Bungles airing it out and using a lot of dump off passes. I'm not high on Cinci, but all the criticism is dropping them in value and I'm happy to scoop them up.

 

[Tau837]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Ocho Cinco is tied with Reggie Wayne for the MOST AVERAGE FANTASY POINTS PER YEAR by WRs over the last 3 years (174 pts/yr)

 

[puckalicious]

Wow, it's true what they say. Using big font makes your words so much more important. OK, I'll play along.

Guess who is trending up, and who is trending down?

Wayne: '05:133pts, WR18; '06:184pts, WR2; '07:204pts, WR4

OchoC: '05:193pts, WR4; '06:175pts, WR5; '07:168pts, WR6

Pts & rankings based on my league through week 16. non-PPR.

 

[Manster]

COC's shoulder is barely hanging in its socket, all he needs is a nice pop to finish it off. And now he has a huge target on his back for safeties to knock some sense into him. tick tick .........

I say everyone at FBGs should refuse to cal lhim COC or Ocho or Cinco or .....he will always be Chad Johnson to me.

i will not be drafting Chad Johnson, no matter how far he falls.

 

[AnonymousBob]

In my start 4 wr league I've tried trading for him numerous times (I have Calvin, AJ, Holt and Cotchery so I can afford the gamble). I've offered Cotchery in packages and straight up for Chad but the other owner won't bite. Cotchery's upside = Ocho Cinco's floor (assuming health).

So not everybody is down on the guy.

 

[brindrod]

Would like to hear your thoughts. Hope this helps some people in upcoming drafts.

I bow to your GM savy. I'm going to steal this strategy tip for my draft on Tuesday in a money league.

 

[flooredyas]

All signs point to Cinci having a down year, so I'm guessing the FF gods will have a little fun with us and we'll see the most productive offensive year from Cinci since the boomer days.

Chad has been a little inconsistent in the last few years, but last year he almost single handedly won me several games. If you put him in every week as a WR2 or flex player he could be a great value. Lots of WR2 or WR3 are going to be inconsistent unless you go WR/WR in picks 1 and 2, you would count yourself lucky to have COC. If you draft RB/WR/RB/WR/WR you could even get Chad as your WR3.

I think with the offensive line stinking it up, and no established RB, we'll see the Bungles airing it out and using a lot of dump off passes. I'm not high on Cinci, but all the criticism is dropping them in value and I'm happy to scoop them up.

Seems like you just described Chris Perry with your last line. I will let someone else assume the Chad nightmare this year. He'll get drafted well before I am willing to pull the trigger.

 

[Judge Smails]

I don't like:

1) high ankle sprains

2) anything related to hamstrings

3) Shoulder injuries for QB's and WR's

I've had a messed up shoulder for years. Supposedly only a separated AC joint. I can't even imagine somebody with a separated shoulder landing on it, getting it etc in pro football. Ticking time bomb in my opinion. Hard to raise your arms. I see a lot of alligator arms from CJ this year. Oh, and the chemistry/karma on that team right now has to be all time suxor. No thanks. Not where he was getting drafted.

 

[Chachi]

Wow, it's true what they say. Using big font makes your words so much more important. OK, I'll play along.Guess who is trending up, and who is trending down?Wayne: '05:133pts, WR18; '06:184pts, WR2; '07:204pts, WR4OchoC: '05:193pts, WR4; '06:175pts, WR5; '07:168pts, WR6Pts & rankings based on my league through week 16. non-PPR.

Chad is not trending down, way to make stuff up to attempt to make a point.Chads fantasy points the last 5 years: 196, 185, 201, 181, 197 = Holding steady

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Wow, it's true what they say. Using big font makes your words so much more important. OK, I'll play along.Guess who is trending up, and who is trending down?Wayne: '05:133pts, WR18; '06:184pts, WR2; '07:204pts, WR4OchoC: '05:193pts, WR4; '06:175pts, WR5; '07:168pts, WR6Pts & rankings based on my league through week 16. non-PPR.

This can't be accurate. No way did he score 168 pts in 2007 with 1440 and 8 Tds....and 175 pts in 2006 with 1369 yds and 7 tdsCan't stand guys who make up stats to try to prove their point

 

[Chachi]

Wow, it's true what they say. Using big font makes your words so much more important. OK, I'll play along.Guess who is trending up, and who is trending down?Wayne: '05:133pts, WR18; '06:184pts, WR2; '07:204pts, WR4OchoC: '05:193pts, WR4; '06:175pts, WR5; '07:168pts, WR6Pts & rankings based on my league through week 16. non-PPR.

This can't be accurate. No way did he score 168 pts in 2007 with 1440 and 8 Tds....and 175 pts in 2006 with 1369 yds and 7 tdsCan't stand guys who make up stats to try to prove their point

Wow, i hadn't noticed that, this dude just flat out made up numbers. Thumbs way down.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Ocho Cinco is tied with Reggie Wayne for the MOST AVERAGE FANTASY POINTS PER YEAR by WRs over the last 3 years (174 pts/yr)

I've owned both in dynasty. Wayne definitely helped win me more games. I'd never draft Chad again. There are much better options out there who produce on a weekly basis instead of giving you 3 monster weeks and a bunch of weeks with nothing.

 

[thecardiackid]

Wow, it's true what they say. Using big font makes your words so much more important. OK, I'll play along.Guess who is trending up, and who is trending down?Wayne: '05:133pts, WR18; '06:184pts, WR2; '07:204pts, WR4OchoC: '05:193pts, WR4; '06:175pts, WR5; '07:168pts, WR6Pts & rankings based on my league through week 16. non-PPR.

This can't be accurate. No way did he score 168 pts in 2007 with 1440 and 8 Tds....and 175 pts in 2006 with 1369 yds and 7 tdsCan't stand guys who make up stats to try to prove their point

Wow, i hadn't noticed that, this dude just flat out made up numbers. Thumbs way down.

Maybe those #s are specific to his league/scoring system. And I'll pass on Ocho and CIN all around - except maybe Utecht (sp) as a TE2 reach. Don't really want Perry either if he's going to cost around a 4th.

 

[Tommax]

When evaluating Chad, you can't just look at his yearly totals. Chad is a boom or bust player. If you are playing him in the couple of games he catches fire, you are thrilled. If you play him the rest of the year he will KILL you. Over the last 2 years HEALTHY, he only has 4 games per year where he actually catches a TD. Do you really want your #1 WR going 12 weeks this year without a TD?

I had Steve Smith and Lee Evans last year. I can handle Cinco.

 

[clinton_c]

Just reading this thread shows you how much value there is with the Bengals...

People are saying "I'm not touching Cincy players"....and this is what many in our leagues are doing.

The shark move is to use this to your advantage and draft them as late as possible.

In a 12 team league I just drafted CJ at 4.04 and Palmer at 5.09....

I think both would have went a round earlier if Cincy would not have looked so bad in the preseason and Johnson would not have had the injury concerns.

 

[puckalicious]

Chad is not trending down, way to make stuff up to attempt to make a point.Chads fantasy points the last 5 years: 196, 185, 201, 181, 197 = Holding steady

Do you find it difficult to read what people post?

This can't be accurate. No way did he score 168 pts in 2007 with 1440 and 8 Tds....and 175 pts in 2006 with 1369 yds and 7 tdsCan't stand guys who make up stats to try to prove their point

Well I can't stand guys that don't know how to read.

Wow, i hadn't noticed that, this dude just flat out made up numbers. Thumbs way down.

Did you really have to double post on how you can't read?

Maybe those #s are specific to his league/scoring system.

And we have a winner. I guess when Chachi and Duece say "making stuff up" they mean that I directly copy the weekly scores from Sportsline every year. I go by those numbers, not the numbers of your league. FWIW the scoring is 1pt/10yd, 6pt TD, 2 pt bonus at 100yd, -2pt fumbles.

Pts & rankings based on my league through week 16. non-PPR.

Maybe I should have put this part in extra big letters with crayon for the children to read.The whole point of my post was that in response to Duece's silly use of large letters showing that Ocho and Wayne were "equal" over the last 3 years they were far from equal over the last 2 years. Wayne has been much better lately. I'm not saying I'll "never" draft Ocho this year but to ignore the fact he needs shoulder surgery before the season starts is folly. Playing through the pain of bumps and bruises is one thing, but playing with a pre-existing injury that is one bump away from ending your season is beyond risky.

 

[TD Ryan]

I've owned Chad in the past and agree with the boom/bust label.

but you were looking for him to be your #1 WR back then, now with this ADP, he's a 2 or 3 and I took a shot on both him and M Harrison disgustingly late.