Chad Johnson (1 Viewer)

[HULLOBUDMAN]

CJ, uh I mean COC, has bust written all over him this year. He gets alot of single-digit point games, the last 3 years he's gone from 6 to 9 to 10 games under 10 points non-PPR. I see at least 10 games this year of less than 10 points so I really do not like him as my WR2.

COC's shoulder is barely hanging in its socket, all he needs is a nice pop to finish it off. And now he has a huge target on his back for safeties to knock some sense into him. tick tick .........

I say everyone at FBGs should refuse to cal lhim COC or Ocho or Cinco or .....he will always be Chad Johnson to me.

I think calling him COC (another word for rooster) is fitting.

 

[hostile]

I picked him up in the 6th round of a 10-team PPR league.

I'm willing to take that risk for the cost.

 

[davearm]

Maybe I should have put this part in extra big letters with crayon for the children to read.The whole point of my post was that in response to Duece's silly use of large letters showing that Ocho and Wayne were "equal" over the last 3 years they were far from equal over the last 2 years. Wayne has been much better lately. I'm not saying I'll "never" draft Ocho this year but to ignore the fact he needs shoulder surgery before the season starts is folly. Playing through the pain of bumps and bruises is one thing, but playing with a pre-existing injury that is one bump away from ending your season is beyond risky.

The problem with your big-font post is that your "evidence" that Johnson was trending downward was three consecutive top-6 finishes amongst WRs.That's not "trending downward" in a fantasy football context. That's incredibly consistent. And more importantly, it's huge value in the 4th/5th round.

 

[tomarken]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

Here are CJ's games after week 3 last season:3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 83 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 102 yards, 0 TD

5 catches, 51 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 48 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 73 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

12 catches, 103 yards, 3 TD

6 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

2 catches, 60 yards, 0 TD

6 catches, 78 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 44 yards, 0 TD

Then in week 17, when 99% of fantasy leagues are already over, he put up 4 catches for 131 yards and 2 TD's. THANKS CHAD!

For a guy who was (until this year) drafted as a top-5 WR, these numbers are terrible. There's no other way to look at it.

Now, I will agree that he may present some value this season if he falls far enough in drafts, but I just want everyone to understand that his year-end totals are completely misleading - even though his end of season numbers put him in the top 5 or 6 WR every year, there is no way he is a top fantasy WR. On a week-by-week basis he will kill your team.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I can't believe how far guys like CJ, Harrison and even Holt are falling in some drafts. I think this is a great year to lock up stud RB/RB or RB/QB in the first couple rounds and then wait for WR value in round 3-6.

CJ fell to the end of the 5th round in the FFOC draft I was in last night. Steve Smith got drafted ahead of him and he's only going to play in 6 of the 9 games needed to qualify for the league championship game in week 10. At some point CJ offers value and round 5 is that point for me.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

Here are CJ's games after week 3 last season:3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 83 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 102 yards, 0 TD

5 catches, 51 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 48 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 73 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

12 catches, 103 yards, 3 TD

6 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

2 catches, 60 yards, 0 TD

6 catches, 78 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 44 yards, 0 TD

Then in week 17, when 99% of fantasy leagues are already over, he put up 4 catches for 131 yards and 2 TD's. THANKS CHAD!

For a guy who was (until this year) drafted as a top-5 WR, these numbers are terrible. There's no other way to look at it.

Now, I will agree that he may present some value this season if he falls far enough in drafts, but I just want everyone to understand that his year-end totals are completely misleading - even though his end of season numbers put him in the top 5 or 6 WR every year, there is no way he is a top fantasy WR. On a week-by-week basis he will kill your team.

That is good analysis but I think one of the main problems with the Bengals offense last year was that Palmer wasn't getting as much time as usual in the pocket. In many games the timing just seemed off. The O-line was not as solid last year and Palmer seemed to be more rushed and less efficient which resulted in the higher 20 INT total and lower QB rating. My opinion is that this benefited Housh who runs more underneath/shallow routes. TJ's receptions went up by 20% but his YPC also dropped 20%. So better overall numbers for Housh, but I do think this contributed to some of CJ's perceived ineffectiveness.

 

[thayman]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

Here are CJ's games after week 3 last season:3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 83 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 102 yards, 0 TD

5 catches, 51 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 48 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 73 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

12 catches, 103 yards, 3 TD

6 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

2 catches, 60 yards, 0 TD

6 catches, 78 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 44 yards, 0 TD

Then in week 17, when 99% of fantasy leagues are already over, he put up 4 catches for 131 yards and 2 TD's. THANKS CHAD!

For a guy who was (until this year) drafted as a top-5 WR, these numbers are terrible. There's no other way to look at it.

Now, I will agree that he may present some value this season if he falls far enough in drafts, but I just want everyone to understand that his year-end totals are completely misleading - even though his end of season numbers put him in the top 5 or 6 WR every year, there is no way he is a top fantasy WR. On a week-by-week basis he will kill your team.

And when you include weeks 1 and 2 when 100% of all fantasy football teams are playing his stats:5 catches, 95 yards, 1 TD

11 catches, 209 yards, 2 TD

 

[Muahahaha]

Well, maybe his stock is about to turn around. His week one matchup isn't so bad. Baltimore is not a team on the come.

 

[tomarken]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

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Here are CJ's games after week 3 last season:3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 83 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 102 yards, 0 TD

5 catches, 51 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 48 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 73 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

12 catches, 103 yards, 3 TD

6 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

2 catches, 60 yards, 0 TD

6 catches, 78 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 44 yards, 0 TD

Then in week 17, when 99% of fantasy leagues are already over, he put up 4 catches for 131 yards and 2 TD's. THANKS CHAD!

For a guy who was (until this year) drafted as a top-5 WR, these numbers are terrible. There's no other way to look at it.

Now, I will agree that he may present some value this season if he falls far enough in drafts, but I just want everyone to understand that his year-end totals are completely misleading - even though his end of season numbers put him in the top 5 or 6 WR every year, there is no way he is a top fantasy WR. On a week-by-week basis he will kill your team.

And when you include weeks 1 and 2 when 100% of all fantasy football teams are playing his stats:5 catches, 95 yards, 1 TD

11 catches, 209 yards, 2 TD

I did mention that those were his stats after week 3. True, he put up good numbers in the first two weeks, but would anyone really be happy with only three good weeks out of their #1 WR? The worst part is that because he was so effective those first two weeks, it made it nearly impossible to bench him later in the season when he stunk. This is why I mentioned that any previous CJ owners probably know this pain better than people who haven't owned him. He's the type of guy that you have to start every week ("Don't bench your studs!") but most weeks he will kill you.Wasn't trying to be misleading by leaving out his first two weeks, I was just trying to point out that after that brief flash of fantasy stardom to start the year, he was ineffective for pretty much the rest of the season.

 

[tomarken]

I'd be willing to bet that everyone downplaying the "boom or bust" tag on CJ has never actually owned him before. Anyone who has ever suffered through having CJ on their roster knows this is a very serious problem. I've had him for several years and he is a lineup-setting nightmare.

Trust me, the 2 or 3 weeks each year that he blows up are definitely not worth the 10 weeks he puts up fewer points than the WR4 on your bench. Even if it wasn't for the bum shoulder I'd be down on Chad - the injury makes it a no-brainer to avoid this guy. Don't be impressed by his year-end totals or his reputation as a top-5 WR - take the time to look at his game logs over the past few seasons and ask yourself if you'd be honestly happy with that in your lineup every week.

Last year, Chad had only 4 games under 60 yds and he had 5 100 yd games along with a 200 yd game in there.

The year before that was his most inconsistent year of his career, and he still finished with 4 100 yd games. Other than in 2006, Chad has been fairly consistent from a game to game basis (and yes I have owned chad numerous times). I think people actual overexaggerate his lack of consistency.

Here are CJ's games after week 3 last season:3 catches, 53 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 83 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 102 yards, 0 TD

5 catches, 51 yards, 0 TD

3 catches, 48 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 73 yards, 0 TD

8 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

12 catches, 103 yards, 3 TD

6 catches, 86 yards, 0 TD

2 catches, 60 yards, 0 TD

6 catches, 78 yards, 0 TD

4 catches, 44 yards, 0 TD

Then in week 17, when 99% of fantasy leagues are already over, he put up 4 catches for 131 yards and 2 TD's. THANKS CHAD!

For a guy who was (until this year) drafted as a top-5 WR, these numbers are terrible. There's no other way to look at it.

Now, I will agree that he may present some value this season if he falls far enough in drafts, but I just want everyone to understand that his year-end totals are completely misleading - even though his end of season numbers put him in the top 5 or 6 WR every year, there is no way he is a top fantasy WR. On a week-by-week basis he will kill your team.

That is good analysis but I think one of the main problems with the Bengals offense last year was that Palmer wasn't getting as much time as usual in the pocket. In many games the timing just seemed off. The O-line was not as solid last year and Palmer seemed to be more rushed and less efficient which resulted in the higher 20 INT total and lower QB rating. My opinion is that this benefited Housh who runs more underneath/shallow routes. TJ's receptions went up by 20% but his YPC also dropped 20%. So better overall numbers for Housh, but I do think this contributed to some of CJ's perceived ineffectiveness.

That's a good point but this wasn't a one-year problem for CJ. 2006 was the same story, arguably worse. Other than a two-week span in '06 when he went off for 450 yards and 5 TD's, he was mostly ineffective - especially in the fantasy playoffs when he once again did nothing, combining for a TOTAL of 69 yards and 0 TD in weeks 15 and 16.I guess my overall point is that while he may present decent value this year if he falls to the 6th round or so, he's not a GREAT value like many people seem to think. Even when healthy he should not be considered as a #1 WR - at best he is a serviceable #2 who has the talent to put up enormous numbers on any given week, but usually doesn't. Now with the injury and the rest of the problems surrounding the offense, I'd let someone else deal with this headache.

 

[trader jake]

His numbers in the end might justify a fifth-round pick, but I wouldn't be comfortable starting him week-to-week. He's one shot away from giving you a big-fat zero - a little risky for my taste.

What player isn't one shot away?

 

[puckalicious]

His numbers in the end might justify a fifth-round pick, but I wouldn't be comfortable starting him week-to-week. He's one shot away from giving you a big-fat zero - a little risky for my taste.

What player isn't one shot away?

Well at least the WR's with two usable limbs will be able to take a harder shot before going down. A previously dislocated shoulder can literally pop out without being hit. Only surgery will correct his condition back to 100% healthy.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

His numbers in the end might justify a fifth-round pick, but I wouldn't be comfortable starting him week-to-week. He's one shot away from giving you a big-fat zero - a little risky for my taste.

What player isn't one shot away?

This is different, more akin to a QB whose next concussion will put him on IR because he's already had two during the season and the neurologists say the next one will mean that they can't clear him for games for the remainder of the season.

 

[Jack McCoy]

If you accept 10 fantasy points in a game to be the mark of a good fantasy outing for one of your players, then here's something to chew on:

Johnson had three (long) stretches of consecutive single-digit fantasy performances: weeks 4-6 (5 was a bye week); 8-11; and 13-16.

Wayne had only one such stretch: weeks 2-4 (though week 4 was 9.8 points).

Other receivers in the top six:

Moss: 1 stretch: 12-13

Owens: 2 stretches: 4-5, and 14-15

Edwards: 1 stretch: 9-11

Fitzgerald: 3 stretches: 1-3, 6-9 (bye week 8, and those other performances were 9.7, 9.7, and 9.5, respectively), and 15-16.

In a somewhat unrelated note, interesting how each of the top six receivers had some serious dud weeks during the playoff weeks and/or the last few regular-season fantasy games leading up to the playoffs. Wayne put up 6.9 in week 15; Edwards 6.4 in week 15; Moss 7.9 in week 15; Owens's, Johnson's, and Fitzgerald's dud steaks were right there in the playoffs. But in week 15, Greg Camarillo had 16.9 points and Roydell Williams had 21.4, so that's nice.