Chad/TJ (1 Viewer)

[baronson]

have we begun to see the changing of the guard? since TJ came back from injury, it seems Carson is looking his way a lot more often when they get within striking distance than he is for Chad.

i tend to think this may just be a function of the defenses keying in Chad so far, and that it'll eventually change... but even when TJ was hurt it was Chris Henry that was getting those looks.

they're roughly the same size (both 6-1, TJ 199 lbs, Chad 192 lbs), so that's not it. what does the tank think? is TJ now the WR to own in cincy? or is he a sell-high guy with Chad eventually taking over?

 

[Power Monster]

Until somthing changes- TJ is definitely the guy to own....

 

[Rounders]

Buy low on CJ.

 

[Yitbos69]

have we begun to see the changing of the guard? since TJ came back from injury, it seems Carson is looking his way a lot more often when they get within striking distance than he is for Chad.i tend to think this may just be a function of the defenses keying in Chad so far, and that it'll eventually change... but even when TJ was hurt it was Chris Henry that was getting those looks.they're roughly the same size (both 6-1, TJ 199 lbs, Chad 192 lbs), so that's not it. what does the tank think? is TJ now the WR to own in cincy? or is he a sell-high guy with Chad eventually taking over?

The fact is the defenses are keying in on Chad. They would rather take their chances with TJ and the the other Cincy WR's than Chad.TJ is the best #2 WR in the league now and will put up #1WR numbers but Chad is still the #1 and his numbers will come around as the season goes on

 

[fridayfrenzy]

TJ is the best #2 WR in the league now and will put up #1WR numbers but Chad is still the #1 and his numbers will come around as the season goes on

No...Boldin or Fitz

 

[gman8343]

have we begun to see the changing of the guard? since TJ came back from injury, it seems Carson is looking his way a lot more often when they get within striking distance than he is for Chad.i tend to think this may just be a function of the defenses keying in Chad so far, and that it'll eventually change... but even when TJ was hurt it was Chris Henry that was getting those looks.they're roughly the same size (both 6-1, TJ 199 lbs, Chad 192 lbs), so that's not it. what does the tank think? is TJ now the WR to own in cincy? or is he a sell-high guy with Chad eventually taking over?

The fact is the defenses are keying in on Chad. They would rather take their chances with TJ and the the other Cincy WR's than Chad.TJ is the best #2 WR in the league now and will put up #1WR numbers but Chad is still the #1 and his numbers will come around as the season goes on

Defenses never keyed on Chad before this season? Serious question because I don't see many Bengal games and I see this comment alot. CJ's been good for years, and this is the first time Ds double/triple team him? What's the difference between this season and year's past?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

CJ is the #1 WR on the team and that is evidenced by the fact he is the being double teamed. Cover CJ one on one and he would put up insane numbers.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Since CJ got jacked up by the Browns, he's been lack-luster at best. I am a CJ owner.

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!

 

[(HULK)]

Marvin Harrison 2005 = Chad Johnson 2006

WRs are inconsistant game to game. Over the course of a full season a stud WR will still get his.

Buy low.

 

[Acme CEO]

This is going to be interesting when Chris Henry gets back. Cinci will essentially have 3 wr1s.

 

[zamboni]

I'm not sure how much I buy the "if only he weren't double-teamed" angle. Most top-tier WRs like Holt and Smith get doubled, yet they still consistently put up numbers despite having a lesser complementary receiver.

It could be that TJ is just as good as Chad (or at least negligibly different)

 

[tietzjd]

Had CJ last year and the same thing would happen. CJ be quite for week or 2 and then have big game. TJ is more cosistant but in the in CJ will out score him.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

This is going to be interesting when Chris Henry gets back. Cinci will essentially have 3 wr1s.

I think TJ is real good and CJ is typically top shelf, but Chris Henry WR1? Not sure I agree.

 

[Acme CEO]

This is going to be interesting when Chris Henry gets back. Cinci will essentially have 3 wr1s.

I think TJ is real good and CJ is typically top shelf, but Chris Henry WR1? Not sure I agree.

Henry definitely has the talent & hands. He's still developing his rout running. Plus, he'll be matched up against nickel backs with CJ & TJ drawing attention. In short, he'll be an open target for Carson as much as the other two wrs.

 

[Polish Hammer]

Henry's return could also benefit CJ. Right now conventional wisdom suggests CJ draws the double team while TJ gets the open looks and hence more reception/scoring opportunities. When Henry comes back and the team goes three wide, TJ's opportunities are lessened as Henry's increase. Having a capable WR3 on the field should pull more coverages and if the defense is caught in a base D (non-nickel or non-dime) CJ will be more free to make plays with defenses having to guard the whole field (including Chris Perry out of the backfield at times). I agree CJ is now a buy low (for however low the owner will let you get him, that is). Last week I offered TO for CJ straight up b/c only one point was the difference between them this year....nevermind the whole bye week issue. I got shot down. Thinking of reoffering it to him.

 

[Payne]

I'm just glad I drafted Holt.

 

[Yitbos69]

TJ is the best #2 WR in the league now and will put up #1WR numbers but Chad is still the #1 and his numbers will come around as the season goes on

No...Boldin or Fitz

Would that make B. Johnson the #1

 

[Franknbeans]

I vote Chris Henry

 

[swingerd]

TJ in a land slide. He misses the first two games of injury comes back and gets a TD? I think CJ is washed up, a mini-version of TO. Glad I wasn't in the position to draft CJ this year.

 

[Ilov80s]

I am 100% buying TJ

 

[fridayfrenzy]

TJ in a land slide. He misses the first two games of injury comes back and gets a TD? I think CJ is washed up, a mini-version of TO. Glad I wasn't in the position to draft CJ this year.

 

[swingerd]

TJ in a land slide. He misses the first two games of injury comes back and gets a TD? I think CJ is washed up, a mini-version of TO. Glad I wasn't in the position to draft CJ this year.

OK, maybe not washed up. But something we coudl see down the road? You know these super star WRs,, if they dont' get the ball they'll ##### and moan ala Keyshawn? Just speculation, i think CJ is a great talent still. But go TJ!

 

[Peyton Marino]

I think TJ will definitely outproduce him the rest of the way.

 

[belyeapower]

This is going to be interesting when Chris Henry gets back. Cinci will essentially have 3 wr1s.

I think TJ is real good and CJ is typically top shelf, but Chris Henry WR1? Not sure I agree.

Henry definitely has the talent & hands. He's still developing his rout running. Plus, he'll be matched up against nickel backs with CJ & TJ drawing attention. In short, he'll be an open target for Carson as much as the other two wrs.

but that analysis alone makes him not a wr1wr1's can beat coverage by the best db(s) on the defensevery talented wr's that can beat out nickel backs are wr2 or 3's

 

[Bob_Magaw]

one thing that could have changed is palmer... i agree that even if chad is doubled constantly, that is nothing new & therefor that theory doesn't offer a lot of explanatory value for downtick in numbers...

maybe palmer is getting better at taking what defense offers, & not forcing ball to chad (though he had low INT number in 05, & it isn't like he was forcing ball a lot looking at numbers)...

this is first year where, as good as i think chad is, i'm starting to come to conclusion that TJ has evolved into 1B WR with 1A chad, like situation in ARI & IND where you have effectively two #1 WRs...

that said, i also agree that CJs numbers will pick up... he is too good a WR not to... before this season he would have been in my top 3 WRs for dynasty (with steve smith & fitz)... a few weeks ago i wondered if the hit in which he got rocked by brian russell of CLE was lingering & having residual impact?

 

[Todem]

Let's revisit this come seasons end. CJ is a super stud elite talent. I love TJ also. You can easisly see they are like Boldin and Fitz and will both have great numbers by seasons end. Owning one or the other is only a good thing. I would take either and try to buy CJ low right now.

 

[Love to Bet football]

This is going to be interesting when Chris Henry gets back. Cinci will essentially have 3 wr1s.

EVERYTHING changes when Henry gets back,inculding Cincy's point total per game....Henry has messed up the chemistry of this team the last few weeks for sure

 

[Acme CEO]

This is going to be interesting when Chris Henry gets back. Cinci will essentially have 3 wr1s.

I think TJ is real good and CJ is typically top shelf, but Chris Henry WR1? Not sure I agree.

Henry definitely has the talent & hands. He's still developing his rout running. Plus, he'll be matched up against nickel backs with CJ & TJ drawing attention. In short, he'll be an open target for Carson as much as the other two wrs.

but that analysis alone makes him not a wr1wr1's can beat coverage by the best db(s) on the defensevery talented wr's that can beat out nickel backs are wr2 or 3's

In the context of this thread, we're talking about ff production and targets; thus the 1abc. I'm not here to argue semantics, just that production will be spread around. Targets per game:CJ - 8.75TJ - 8.5CH - 7.7

 

[Loopdog]

I am in no way shape or form the all knowing but hear me out for a second here.

Chad runs most of the deep routes, the go patters, the deep in's, the deep outs, while TJ lays claim to the underneath stuff, and being that the offensive line is in shambles so far this season, Palmer is taking the easy way out. If you watched the game yesterday, he was cocking up to toss it deep quite a few times and ended up eating turf for his trouble. Until the offensive line play improves, Chad is gonna have alot of games where he catches 6 balls for 68 yards and no TD while TJ catches 11 for 115 and 2 TD. Just the way it's gonna be for a while. And I own Chad, but thats what I see developing here.

 

[Mr_Cowboy]

I'm not sure how much I buy the "if only he weren't double-teamed" angle. Most top-tier WRs like Holt and Smith get doubled, yet they still consistently put up numbers despite having a lesser complementary receiver.It could be that TJ is just as good as Chad (or at least negligibly different)

Most other teams don't have #2 and #3 WRs the caliber as Hous and Henry. CJ is the #1 and will get his. Mark my words, teams will have to start paying more attention to Hous and Johnson will take advantage!

 

[-jb-]

I am in no way shape or form the all knowing but hear me out for a second here.Chad runs most of the deep routes, the go patters, the deep in's, the deep outs, while TJ lays claim to the underneath stuff, and being that the offensive line is in shambles so far this season, Palmer is taking the easy way out. If you watched the game yesterday, he was cocking up to toss it deep quite a few times and ended up eating turf for his trouble. Until the offensive line play improves, Chad is gonna have alot of games where he catches 6 balls for 68 yards and no TD while TJ catches 11 for 115 and 2 TD. Just the way it's gonna be for a while. And I own Chad, but thats what I see developing here.

nailed it

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Levi Jones is out for a while with knee surgery, and that line was already struggling to protect Palmer. Just FYI, but I look for Cinci's offense to struggle in the upcoming weeks, especially with a tough schedule.

 

[SouthJersey]

Levi Jones is out for a while with knee surgery, and that line was already struggling to protect Palmer. Just FYI, but I look for Cinci's offense to struggle in the upcoming weeks, especially with a tough schedule.

Anyone have any info on the o-line backups for Cincy? How will these injuries affect the Cincy passing game going forward?

 

[chris1969]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see alot of teams doubling Chad. I do see alot of teams making sure he gets a chip from a LB and he gets hit hard when he does make a catch though. As far as only running deep stuff, I don't think that's true at all, Chad has always been able to make the catch over the middle. He is just getting slowed down at the line by a LB every time, so he's taking longer to get open. It wouldn't be a big problem if the line was performing better.