Championship Game Problem (1 Viewer)

[twistd]

In one of my leagues the Championship Game ended up in a tie. Team A won by tiebreaker. Then, our site, RTsports, posted a change in the scoring. Jason Campbell had an unforced fumble changed to a forced fumble. This gave a point to the Dallas defense. Team B had the Dallas D. That in turn changed the outcome of the Championship game so Team B won by a point. The commissioner already paid out the money. The change was not noticed by anyone until a couple of days after the games were done. There is lots of controversy in the league about what to do. I'm neither of these teams, but I think the money should go to Team B. We may have a league vote to determine the outcome. Any thoughts?

 

[KyleBasa]

I applaud your commish for getting payouts shipped so quickly. That said, Team B should get the top prize.

 

[bentley]

Another reason to have a rule about scoring changes and a deadline for when scores are final (which we admittedly don't have). If this was noted and changed by RTSports before the game this week, I think that Team B absolutely deserves it. The fact that the commish was on the ball shouldn't be held against the rightful champ.

 

[Matt Waldman]

What I am curious out is why is there a controversy? Can you give more details about this, because if team B technically won the game due to a scoring change then what is the debate about?

 

[twistd]

What I am curious out is why is there a controversy? Can you give more details about this, because if team B technically won the game due to a scoring change then what is the debate about?

The controversy is primarily the scoring change wasn't noticed until four days after the games were done. I share a team with my buddy. He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results. He feels that the first team should keep the dough. I believe that team B gets the money. We are going to have a league vote on how to resolve this. Our team will vote to split the money because my partner and I do not agree on how this should be resolved. I agree with an earlier poster about a deadline. We will set that up for the future. It truly is a bizarre situation.

 

[TommyGilmore]

He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results.

Your buddy is misinterpreting the way the NFL works. And if he is Team A, then he's a doosh for keeping the prize money.

 

[Mr.Pack]

I applaud your commish for getting payouts shipped so quickly. That said, Team B should get the top prize.

This /end thread

 

[Rounders]

I'm starting to see a lot of these scoring changes come through and alter outcomes of games. It makes me feel like I may need to explore an off-season rule about "ending" a week, so that if outcomes come out after the "end of the week" no games could be changed.

Does any league have anything like this in place?

 

[TommyGilmore]

I'm starting to see a lot of these scoring changes come through and alter outcomes of games. It makes me feel like I may need to explore an off-season rule about "ending" a week, so that if outcomes come out after the "end of the week" no games could be changed.

Why would you want to do that? Do you really think it's better for teams to win when they clearly don't deserve it?edit: assuming that you want to "end" a week at the conclusion of the final game.

 

[senor peso 2006]

I'm starting to see a lot of these scoring changes come through and alter outcomes of games. It makes me feel like I may need to explore an off-season rule about "ending" a week, so that if outcomes come out after the "end of the week" no games could be changed.Does any league have anything like this in place?

I run my league on Yahoo and they make all NFL stat corretions on thursdays. This year I lost the championship game by .66 of a point. With that said, I informed the winner to hold his breath and wait for the Thursday stat corrections. I still lost. In the 10 years of doing this, I have only seen one game over turned by stat corrections and it was durning this year, and nearly saw the second one two weeks ago wtih the Kurt Warner corretion.

 

[bentley]

I'm starting to see a lot of these scoring changes come through and alter outcomes of games. It makes me feel like I may need to explore an off-season rule about "ending" a week, so that if outcomes come out after the "end of the week" no games could be changed.Does any league have anything like this in place?

I think many do. It was in the "Rules Every FF League should have" thread. Some time before kickoff of the next game seemed to be the most common.

 

[Chainz]

RTSports adds the changes on Thursday as well AFAIK. So you saw the change the day it came out or a day after...don't understand the controversy to be honest. Team B deserves it.

 

[Bri]

What I am curious out is why is there a controversy? Can you give more details about this, because if team B technically won the game due to a scoring change then what is the debate about?

The controversy is primarily the scoring change wasn't noticed until four days after the games were done. I share a team with my buddy. He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results. He feels that the first team should keep the dough. I believe that team B gets the money. We are going to have a league vote on how to resolve this. Our team will vote to split the money because my partner and I do not agree on how this should be resolved. I agree with an earlier poster about a deadline. We will set that up for the future. It truly is a bizarre situation.

I think Matt's might have been a rhetorical Q and if so I agree with him. There's no issue and it's not "technically won the game" it's "won the game". If you're not going to go by how the game is scored then there's a whole pandora's box there.

 

[Jimmy James]

He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results.

Your buddy is misinterpreting the way the NFL works. And if he is Team A, then he's a doosh for keeping the prize money.

I don't think he's misinterpreting the way the NFL works at all. If everybody even including all the officials who called the game, the people managing the officials, the coaches of both teams, the commissioner, and the President of the United States knows that a call got blown that changes the outcome of a game, the NFL is still not overturning the result on the field. The team will get an apology. With that said, I'm not sure that saying the NFL works one way so fantasy should as well is in any way realistic. I do think the preference for those on this site for a Thursday afternoon scoring deadline rule is also where I am, but I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with other choices (like allowing changes at any time or not allowing them past say 10 AM Tuesday). If a league wants to run itself based on how the game was scored live, I don't see anything wrong with it. I do think the key is to have a rule that everyone understands, though.

 

[Bri]

He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results.

Your buddy is misinterpreting the way the NFL works. And if he is Team A, then he's a doosh for keeping the prize money.

I don't think he's misinterpreting the way the NFL works at all. If everybody even including all the officials who called the game, the people managing the officials, the coaches of both teams, the commissioner, and the President of the United States knows that a call got blown that changes the outcome of a game, the NFL is still not overturning the result on the field. The team will get an apology. With that said, I'm not sure that saying the NFL works one way so fantasy should as well is in any way realistic. I do think the preference for those on this site for a Thursday afternoon scoring deadline rule is also where I am, but I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with other choices (like allowing changes at any time or not allowing them past say 10 AM Tuesday). If a league wants to run itself based on how the game was scored live, I don't see anything wrong with it. I do think the key is to have a rule that everyone understands, though.

this has nothing to do with statistics.Stats are done at the game by a few people and at (thier)home by up to 12 more. All these are reviewed after the game. Also, after the game is reviewed by a person that is watching tape, not live, which is the best possible spot to be in. All this takes time. We're talking at least 15 guys doing stats for a game. Anyone that knows the process would know changes are likely

 

[Utter Chaos]

Have the scoring changes been applied all season? If they have then Team B wins. If not then you can't start doing it now.

 

[Jimmy James]

He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results.

Your buddy is misinterpreting the way the NFL works. And if he is Team A, then he's a doosh for keeping the prize money.

I don't think he's misinterpreting the way the NFL works at all. If everybody even including all the officials who called the game, the people managing the officials, the coaches of both teams, the commissioner, and the President of the United States knows that a call got blown that changes the outcome of a game, the NFL is still not overturning the result on the field. The team will get an apology. With that said, I'm not sure that saying the NFL works one way so fantasy should as well is in any way realistic. I do think the preference for those on this site for a Thursday afternoon scoring deadline rule is also where I am, but I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with other choices (like allowing changes at any time or not allowing them past say 10 AM Tuesday). If a league wants to run itself based on how the game was scored live, I don't see anything wrong with it. I do think the key is to have a rule that everyone understands, though.

this has nothing to do with statistics.Stats are done at the game by a few people and at (thier)home by up to 12 more. All these are reviewed after the game. Also, after the game is reviewed by a person that is watching tape, not live, which is the best possible spot to be in. All this takes time. We're talking at least 15 guys doing stats for a game. Anyone that knows the process would know changes are likely

This does have everything to do with finality, though. If you believe strongly that this is a game (fantasy football, that is) that should be determined based on the on the field action and not based on the accounting and auditing done afterward, I can see why you would be against the stat corrections being applied. Remember, you don't have to have a baseball-like affection for statistics to enjoy football and fantasy football. I think those of us who are here are clearly not representative of the typical fantasy player -- we are all to some extent stat hounds. That's the site mantra -- digesting the information available will result in an improved fantasy team finish. Some people just aren't into doing something (even if it's watching games/scores) and getting results later. You can call that good or bad, but it does not change that it is.

 

[TommyGilmore]

He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results.

Your buddy is misinterpreting the way the NFL works. And if he is Team A, then he's a doosh for keeping the prize money.

I don't think he's misinterpreting the way the NFL works at all. If everybody even including all the officials who called the game, the people managing the officials, the coaches of both teams, the commissioner, and the President of the United States knows that a call got blown that changes the outcome of a game, the NFL is still not overturning the result on the field.

Rule 17, Section 2 of the official NFL Rulebook:

The Commissioner's powers under this Section 2 include the imposition of monetary fines and draft-choice forfeitures, suspension of persons involved in unfair acts, and, if appropriate, the reversal of a game's result or the rescheduling of a game

So yes, the NFL can overturn the result on the field.

 

[Jimmy James]

The President can also launch a nuclear attack at will. It does not mean that it's within the realm of serious possibility.

Has this power ever been used by The Commissioner?

 

[bentley]

He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results.

Your buddy is misinterpreting the way the NFL works. And if he is Team A, then he's a doosh for keeping the prize money.

I don't think he's misinterpreting the way the NFL works at all. If everybody even including all the officials who called the game, the people managing the officials, the coaches of both teams, the commissioner, and the President of the United States knows that a call got blown that changes the outcome of a game, the NFL is still not overturning the result on the field. The team will get an apology. With that said, I'm not sure that saying the NFL works one way so fantasy should as well is in any way realistic. I do think the preference for those on this site for a Thursday afternoon scoring deadline rule is also where I am, but I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with other choices (like allowing changes at any time or not allowing them past say 10 AM Tuesday). If a league wants to run itself based on how the game was scored live, I don't see anything wrong with it. I do think the key is to have a rule that everyone understands, though.

this has nothing to do with statistics.Stats are done at the game by a few people and at (thier)home by up to 12 more. All these are reviewed after the game. Also, after the game is reviewed by a person that is watching tape, not live, which is the best possible spot to be in. All this takes time. We're talking at least 15 guys doing stats for a game. Anyone that knows the process would know changes are likely

This does have everything to do with finality, though. If you believe strongly that this is a game (fantasy football, that is) that should be determined based on the on the field action and not based on the accounting and auditing done afterward, I can see why you would be against the stat corrections being applied. Remember, you don't have to have a baseball-like affection for statistics to enjoy football and fantasy football. I think those of us who are here are clearly not representative of the typical fantasy player -- we are all to some extent stat hounds. That's the site mantra -- digesting the information available will result in an improved fantasy team finish. Some people just aren't into doing something (even if it's watching games/scores) and getting results later. You can call that good or bad, but it does not change that it is.

That's insane. The "on the field" action was that a fumble was forced. I remember the play.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The President can also launch a nuclear attack at will. It does not mean that it's within the realm of serious possibility. Has this power ever been used by The Commissioner?

Just admit that you were wrong and then we can move on.

 

[Jimmy James]

That's insane. The "on the field" action was that a fumble was forced. I remember the play.

That's not what it was according to the live scoring, was it?The issue is this one: If the NFL goes back to week one and determines that Matt Schaub was credited with a TD that didn't really happen, should the fantasy results be amended to reflect that? Should money change hands in the leagues that would impact?Anyone who says no believes in finality. There has to be a point after which accuracy is not as important as declaring a winner. That point is up for debate. Stat-heads are going to like Thursdays after adjustments are processed. Those who want to know who won when the game is done are likely to want something that resembles immediately after the last game to the maximum extent possible. There is nothing insane about it.

 

[Jimmy James]

The President can also launch a nuclear attack at will. It does not mean that it's within the realm of serious possibility. Has this power ever been used by The Commissioner?

Just admit that you were wrong and then we can move on.

I am not wrong. The argument by the friend was that the NFL would do it a certain way. That's the way experience tells us they do things. It is your burden to overcome that with an example of this power reserved actually being put into use. Neither the friend nor I argued it was beyond the scope of what the commissioner can do -- we argued that the NFL would not do it.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The President can also launch a nuclear attack at will. It does not mean that it's within the realm of serious possibility. Has this power ever been used by The Commissioner?

Just admit that you were wrong and then we can move on.

I am not wrong. The argument by the friend was that the NFL would do it a certain way. That's the way experience tells us they do things. It is your burden to overcome that with an example of this power reserved actually being put into use.

Just admit that you're a tool and we can all move on.

 

[Jimmy James]

The President can also launch a nuclear attack at will. It does not mean that it's within the realm of serious possibility. Has this power ever been used by The Commissioner?

Just admit that you were wrong and then we can move on.

I am not wrong. The argument by the friend was that the NFL would do it a certain way. That's the way experience tells us they do things. It is your burden to overcome that with an example of this power reserved actually being put into use.

Just admit that you're a tool and we can all move on.

I'll take that as an admission that this power has never been used. Thanks.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I'll take that as an admission that this power has never been used. Thanks.

It doesn't matter if it's ever been used or not. First off, this "power" has nothing to do with the issue at hand. I only brought it up because you and the OP's buddy seem to think that the NFL would never change the outcome of a game. Then when I point out that the NFL does reserve the right to change game outcomes, you come back and say that it doesn't count because it hasn't been used.If I find an example of the NFL changing a call in the pre war days, then you'll just say "That doesn't count because it was before the modern era!"

Then if I find a more modern example, you'll just say "That doesn't count because the game was played on a Tuesday!" (or some other equally ludicrous excuse)

Do you realize how immature that is?

You and the OP's buddy are clinging to a comparison that is tenuous at best.

 

[twistd]

Have the scoring changes been applied all season? If they have then Team B wins. If not then you can't start doing it now.

The scoring changes have been applied all year, but it has never effected the outcome of a game. So we haven't had any reason to consider a deadline for scoring changes. It is unfortunate that it has occurred with the championship game. Here is what our bylaws say:GAME SCORES ARE NOT FINAL UNTIL THE TUESDAY AFTER THE GAME AND AREVERIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER BY USING THE Chicago Sun-Times SPORTS PAGESYou could interpret this to mean that the game scores are final on Tuesday. It was verified and the payouts were made. Then two days later the site comes up with changes. I still believe that team B should win. We are having a league vote as to how to handle this. My guess is they will be co-champions and split the money evenly.

 

[Jimmy James]

I would expect that the power would need to be utilized pursuant to that rule for it to be in any way applicable to the conversation, but if the NFL had the same rulebook in the 1930s and corrected a game's outcome, that would be valid.

If I were you, I wouldn't start making unsupported claims about my maturity or propensity for making excuses when you're the one who just resorted to calling somebody a tool because you didn't have any better argument to make.

I'm actually not clinging to a comparison. I even said that I didn't really think it realistic to say because the NFL does things one way or another, fantasy football should work that way. I don't fly out to distant cities to play half of the weeks, after all.

 

[Jimmy James]

Have the scoring changes been applied all season? If they have then Team B wins. If not then you can't start doing it now.

The scoring changes have been applied all year, but it has never effected the outcome of a game. So we haven't had any reason to consider a deadline for scoring changes. It is unfortunate that it has occurred with the championship game. Here is what our bylaws say:GAME SCORES ARE NOT FINAL UNTIL THE TUESDAY AFTER THE GAME AND AREVERIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER BY USING THE Chicago Sun-Times SPORTS PAGESYou could interpret this to mean that the game scores are final on Tuesday. It was verified and the payouts were made. Then two days later the site comes up with changes. I still believe that team B should win. We are having a league vote as to how to handle this. My guess is they will be co-champions and split the money evenly.

Team A wins. That rule is in no way ambiguous. If the commissioner was derelict in his duties and had not used the Sun-Times sports page to verify results on Tuesday, that would be another matter entirely. That rule clearly adopts the position that finality of results on Tuesday is the most important thing for your league. It's the rule, and your commissioner paid out the league based on it. Team B is out of luck.

 

[Bri]

He believes that when the NFL makes a mistake they admit it but it doesn't change the results.

Your buddy is misinterpreting the way the NFL works. And if he is Team A, then he's a doosh for keeping the prize money.

I don't think he's misinterpreting the way the NFL works at all. If everybody even including all the officials who called the game, the people managing the officials, the coaches of both teams, the commissioner, and the President of the United States knows that a call got blown that changes the outcome of a game, the NFL is still not overturning the result on the field. The team will get an apology. With that said, I'm not sure that saying the NFL works one way so fantasy should as well is in any way realistic. I do think the preference for those on this site for a Thursday afternoon scoring deadline rule is also where I am, but I don't think there is anything necessarily wrong with other choices (like allowing changes at any time or not allowing them past say 10 AM Tuesday). If a league wants to run itself based on how the game was scored live, I don't see anything wrong with it. I do think the key is to have a rule that everyone understands, though.

this has nothing to do with statistics.Stats are done at the game by a few people and at (thier)home by up to 12 more. All these are reviewed after the game. Also, after the game is reviewed by a person that is watching tape, not live, which is the best possible spot to be in. All this takes time. We're talking at least 15 guys doing stats for a game. Anyone that knows the process would know changes are likely

This does have everything to do with finality, though. If you believe strongly that this is a game (fantasy football, that is) that should be determined based on the on the field action and not based on the accounting and auditing done afterward, I can see why you would be against the stat corrections being applied. Remember, you don't have to have a baseball-like affection for statistics to enjoy football and fantasy football. I think those of us who are here are clearly not representative of the typical fantasy player -- we are all to some extent stat hounds. That's the site mantra -- digesting the information available will result in an improved fantasy team finish. Some people just aren't into doing something (even if it's watching games/scores) and getting results later. You can call that good or bad, but it does not change that it is.

rrrrrrrrrrrrrreachsore loser?

 

[Jimmy James]

rrrrrrrrrrrrrreachsore loser?

Winner in the only league I play in. That league has a Thursday rule. I actually did win against the team that got in due to Warner losing a TD and would have lost against the Warner team. Had my league gone with a Tuesday rule (which I think most of the owners wish we had, including the team I beat who got in due to the Warner change), I would not be complaining about losing.

 

[Bri]

rrrrrrrrrrrrrreachsore loser?

Winner in the only league I play in. That league has a Thursday rule. I actually did win against the team that got in due to Warner losing a TD and would have lost against the Warner team. Had my league gone with a Tuesday rule (which I think most of the owners wish we had, including the team I beat who got in due to the Warner change), I would not be complaining about losing.

pretty fascinating considering previous replies

 

[Incog]

Looks like we need to find a copy of Tuesday's Chicago Sun-Times. That rule makes it perfectly clear. If it's in the paper then it's the commish's fault, if not then tough luck:\ Should propose that the rule be rewritten for next year to allow a couple more days time before you go about finalizing anything.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Have the scoring changes been applied all season? If they have then Team B wins. If not then you can't start doing it now.

The scoring changes have been applied all year, but it has never effected the outcome of a game. So we haven't had any reason to consider a deadline for scoring changes. It is unfortunate that it has occurred with the championship game. Here is what our bylaws say:GAME SCORES ARE NOT FINAL UNTIL THE TUESDAY AFTER THE GAME AND ARE

VERIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER BY USING THE Chicago Sun-Times SPORTS PAGES

You could interpret this to mean that the game scores are final on Tuesday. It was verified and the payouts were made. Then two days later the site comes up with changes. I still believe that team B should win. We are having a league vote as to how to handle this. My guess is they will be co-champions and split the money evenly.

Team A wins. That rule is in no way ambiguous. If the commissioner was derelict in his duties and had not used the Sun-Times sports page to verify results on Tuesday, that would be another matter entirely. That rule clearly adopts the position that finality of results on Tuesday is the most important thing for your league. It's the rule, and your commissioner paid out the league based on it. Team B is out of luck.

Now there is another can of worms opened. Do your bylaws state which source is to be used in the event the stats are different? From the wording it appears, the newspaper is the official source for your league stats. Did the Chicago-Sun Times count it as a forced fumble? Are there any other stats printed that are different than your web site? Team B should dig up a copy of the paper and compare the stats posted. I'd strongly advise using the league web site stats starting next season with a deadline for stat changes.

Team B will probably get shafted because the stats weren't recorded accurately on game day. Maybe they can sue the statistician for gross negligence.

 

[Jimmy James]

rrrrrrrrrrrrrreachsore loser?

Winner in the only league I play in. That league has a Thursday rule. I actually did win against the team that got in due to Warner losing a TD and would have lost against the Warner team. Had my league gone with a Tuesday rule (which I think most of the owners wish we had, including the team I beat who got in due to the Warner change), I would not be complaining about losing.

pretty fascinating considering previous replies

I'm a pretty fascinating guy. I do love my 5 owner, 10 team league, though. You surely know how to search my history to see what I've posted all over this forum.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

twistd's friend: The NFL never changes things when mistakes are made!!

RTSports: Here's a list of mistakes that the NFL is changing.

 

[Easy Money]

The NFL makes changes on thursdays. You can go on mfl's website and see the noteable changes from each week.

 

[twistd]

Update for anyone interested, we had a league vote to determine whether Team A or Team B should win. Team A had won originally by tiebreaker, then after the scoring change Team B won by a point. We had a league vote and that came out as a tie. So the commissioner was the tiebreaker, and he voted to award the win to Team B. Money has already been paid out so we will see if everyone cooperates.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Update for anyone interested, we had a league vote to determine whether Team A or Team B should win. Team A had won originally by tiebreaker, then after the scoring change Team B won by a point. We had a league vote and that came out as a tie. So the commissioner was the tiebreaker, and he voted to award the win to Team B. Money has already been paid out so we will see if everyone cooperates.

Your commissioner was wrong. Your league had a rule in place that ended the game on Tuesday night. Assuming that the Chicago Sun stuff wasn't relevant your commissioner decided to change the rules on the fly. It doesn't matter if posters in this thread thinks the rule is stupid, it was the rule and should have been followed.Oh, and your friend is correct. When the NFL reviews questionable calls during games and actually determines that a play was miscalled by the officials they send out a letter of apology to the team in question. They don't call the teams back for a do over. Think of it in terms of throwing a red flag. Once the next play starts it doesn't matter if the previous call was beyond blown.

And Rule 17, Section 2, Article 3 page 144 is completely irrelevant unless you think a stat change falls under this language

Section 2 Extraordinarily Unfair Acts

Article 1 The Commissioner has the sole authority to investigate and take appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective measures if any club action, non-participant interference, or calamity occurs in an NFL game which he deems so extraordinarily unfair or outside the accepted tactics encountered

But saying that your commissioner was wrong in this case is not the same as saying that every commissioner that may have changed out comes was wrong. It all depends on the rules that your league establishes. Many won't have such a rule because they didn't think of it, but this has been a pretty common theme in Shark Pool that every league should have a rule on when games are final. Even if you argue that the NFL makes all changes by Thursday, what happens when there is an exception? At some point your fantasy games need to be over, future correction or not. Leagues can differ as to when that is, "to each their own" but there should be rules in place to define that time. And, when that rule does exists and is not otherwise violated (i.e. the Chicago Sun) it should be followed.

 

[Topes]

GAME SCORES ARE NOT FINAL UNTIL THE TUESDAY AFTER THE GAME AND AREVERIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER BY USING THE Chicago Sun-Times SPORTS PAGESYou could interpret this to mean that the game scores are final on Tuesday.

Yep. Alternately, you could just ignore your league rules.Big bummer, but your rules do cover this.Curious why this important quote from your rules was left out of your original post. My only guess is that you were trying to skew the results of your query.

 

[Go Pack]

Update for anyone interested, we had a league vote to determine whether Team A or Team B should win. Team A had won originally by tiebreaker, then after the scoring change Team B won by a point. We had a league vote and that came out as a tie. So the commissioner was the tiebreaker, and he voted to award the win to Team B. Money has already been paid out so we will see if everyone cooperates.

Seems like the best thing to do would just have teams A & B split the money evenly since the league is split on it and that way neither team gets totally shafted.

 

[SteevieG]

Update for anyone interested, we had a league vote to determine whether Team A or Team B should win. Team A had won originally by tiebreaker, then after the scoring change Team B won by a point. We had a league vote and that came out as a tie. So the commissioner was the tiebreaker, and he voted to award the win to Team B. Money has already been paid out so we will see if everyone cooperates.

Seems like the best thing to do would just have teams A & B split the money evenly since the league is split on it and that way neither team gets totally shafted.

Though I think Team 'A' should be the winner.

 

[TommyGilmore]

GAME SCORES ARE NOT FINAL UNTIL THE TUESDAY AFTER THE GAME AND AREVERIFIED BY THE COMMISSIONER BY USING THE Chicago Sun-Times SPORTS PAGESYou could interpret this to mean that the game scores are final on Tuesday.

Yep. Alternately, you could just ignore your league rules.Big bummer, but your rules do cover this.

Did the Commish use the Chicago Sun-Times to verify all scoring during Weeks 1-15? There might be typos in the newspaper that could have changed game outcomes.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

Here's the link to the sun-times box score:

http://suntimes.sportsdirectinc.com/footba...score26614.html

It shows Campbell with the fumble, so assuming that this is what was posted on Tuesday, Team B should win.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

This isn't my league, but I'm glad that the winner actually won. Not sure why an owner would want the winnings when they know they lost, but it sounds like the winning team is acknowledged to be the winner.

 

[Go Pack]

Here's the link to the sun-times box score:

http://suntimes.sportsdirectinc.com/footba...score26614.html

It shows Campbell with the fumble, so assuming that this is what was posted on Tuesday, Team B should win.

How can you tell from that if it was a forced fumble versus an unforced fumble? Based on the original post that diffrentiation was apparently the cause for the scoring change, not just the fact that there was a fumble. I still say split the winnings to try to minimze the controversy.

 

[Topes]

Here's the link to the sun-times box score:

http://suntimes.sportsdirectinc.com/footba...score26614.html

It shows Campbell with the fumble, so assuming that this is what was posted on Tuesday, Team B should win.

That might not be the best assumption to make.Looking at that link, I don't know how your league verifies forced fumbles by the Sun Times. They don't seem to track them, except on the individial defensive players' pages.