*** Chargers v. Bears*** (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

Did they just say that Griese cannot become the Bears starter for the start of the season? Why not, exactly?

Yeah...Simms said all indication from the Bears' coaching staff point to Grossman being the starter regardless of what happens in the preseason. This is news to me. I though Griese had a fighter's chance?Man does Lovie have a mancrush on Grossman or what?

There is a reason Griese is on his 3rd team. He is a good back-up QB. The bears NEED to see what Grossman can do. I know he has been hurt. Grossman has a chance to be very good. He has a chance to be bad. They have to see what he is. Everyone knows what Griese is. An ok NFL QB.

Where do you get the notion that Rex Grossman could be "very good" or better than Brian Griese? FYI...Griese isn't on his 4th team (not 3rd) because he's an average QB, he's on his 4th team because despite very solid play he's been unable to engender the confidence and support of his teammates and coaches; it's more a personality/huddle thing than anything Griese can't do as a passer.Griese is a career 63% passer, has a very solid 7.1 yards per attempt, has thrown 103 TDs in 75 games and only 78 INTs. In eight NFL seasons, Griese has thrown more INTs than TDs twice...including his rookie season when he has 1 INT and zero TDs in three pass attempts. He's much better than "ok"...and has as much, if not more upside than Rex Grossman. You do realize that in three seasons, in three separate stints, Grossman hasn't completed more than 56% of his passes? Griese's worst stint was a part-timer in Miami...and even at his WORST, he's been better than Grossman.

Only one thing is needed in responce to this.... 8 game sample size. How do you know that Grossman sucks as bad as you insinuate? Simple truth is you don't, nobody knows how good or bad he is. LMAO at judging a QB on 8 games. If you'll notice, it is not the guys saying he should get a chance that are asserting any great deductions on his ability. It is only the ones who think he sucks that would love to predict an entire NFL career on 8 games.

I don't need 8 games to know that Grossman sucks. I honestly think most people don't. And don't confuse poor results with judging what a guy can do. Peyton Manning was fairly ugly his first year. But nobody thought he wouldn't be a good QB. You can see things well beyond the Wins and Losses and even the incompletions and interceptions. But we're in reality here.It'd be awesome if the Bears could put both Griese in a time machine and let them play 2 years worth of games this Summer and make a detailed evaluation and then go with the guy that was proven. But reality is they have about 6 weeks of practice and 4 games to make a call. So you'd better make a decision pretty quickly.J

Joe, when did you become a QB guru? When did you quit coaching Qbs in the NFL? If he sucked, he wouldn't be out there. Obviously the guy can play some football.

Yourmom. He sucks for an NFL QB. He could obviously play up to this level. And I think you don't have to coach QB's in the NFL to see that. J

 

[jurb26]

Jurb...are you feeling OK tonight? Grossman is the starter no matter what?!?!? Heard of something called Coachspeak? C'mon...Lovie will make the decision he feels is the best, even if it contradicts what he said the day before. He would be doing the team and himself a disservice otherwise. Any declaration made before opening day is only as good as the moment it's made. C'mon, you're better than this.

Well, Jason then maybe we are both having an "off" night after hearing your latest thoughts on preseason football.

 

[sanders2021]

It's good to see good ol' number 18 back out on the field, eh? Brings back some GREAT memories. Here's to you, Kyle!

 

[Riffraff]

2 series and out for Griese. Maybe they are saving him for a reason.

 

[boubucarow]

Did Danieal Manning start the game? How was he used in the first half? Did he appear to be deep center more often than not while Harris was closer to the box more often than not? Unfortunately, I missed almost all of the first half. I would appreciate any feedback.

Anybody

Yes manning started. Chris harris started for Brown and Manning move to Harris's spot. Manning played deep and harris played up for the most part. Harris also blitz a couple of times with a sack.

Thank you. I thought all along Manning would challenge Harris at free safety and the Bears want him to start there ASAP. If Brown is out, Harris will be the strong safety and an IDP goldmine.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jurb...are you feeling OK tonight? Grossman is the starter no matter what?!?!? Heard of something called Coachspeak? C'mon...Lovie will make the decision he feels is the best, even if it contradicts what he said the day before. He would be doing the team and himself a disservice otherwise. Any declaration made before opening day is only as good as the moment it's made. C'mon, you're better than this.

Well, Jason then maybe we are both having an "off" night after hearing your latest thoughts on preseason football.

What part of my views on preseason football are assailable?...do teams not use the preseason and training camp to evaluate position battles?...has Grossman done anything in game situations to say he will be good?...has Griese not handily outperformed him at every stop?...do coaches reserve the right to change their minds on depth charts at a moment's notice?...can a player play themselves out of, or into, a role during the preseason?...has Grossman only played 8 games in 3 seasons?...has Grossman failed to complete an acceptable amount of passes in any of his three seasons?...has Grossman struggled again this year, his 4th preseason?...has Griese outplayed him?...doesn't Griese also have the same lack of RB corps working against him?...don't the fans need to accept that coaches are going to make decisions regardless of what the fans think is "right"?...are the Bears not a contender in spite of their QB situation?...are the Bears historic numbers so alarming that it's silly to expect any QB to put up above average numbers consistently?Best,Woodrow

 

[Your Mom]

Did they just say that Griese cannot become the Bears starter for the start of the season? Why not, exactly?

Yeah...Simms said all indication from the Bears' coaching staff point to Grossman being the starter regardless of what happens in the preseason. This is news to me. I though Griese had a fighter's chance?Man does Lovie have a mancrush on Grossman or what?

There is a reason Griese is on his 3rd team. He is a good back-up QB. The bears NEED to see what Grossman can do. I know he has been hurt. Grossman has a chance to be very good. He has a chance to be bad. They have to see what he is. Everyone knows what Griese is. An ok NFL QB.

Where do you get the notion that Rex Grossman could be "very good" or better than Brian Griese? FYI...Griese isn't on his 4th team (not 3rd) because he's an average QB, he's on his 4th team because despite very solid play he's been unable to engender the confidence and support of his teammates and coaches; it's more a personality/huddle thing than anything Griese can't do as a passer.Griese is a career 63% passer, has a very solid 7.1 yards per attempt, has thrown 103 TDs in 75 games and only 78 INTs. In eight NFL seasons, Griese has thrown more INTs than TDs twice...including his rookie season when he has 1 INT and zero TDs in three pass attempts. He's much better than "ok"...and has as much, if not more upside than Rex Grossman. You do realize that in three seasons, in three separate stints, Grossman hasn't completed more than 56% of his passes? Griese's worst stint was a part-timer in Miami...and even at his WORST, he's been better than Grossman.

Only one thing is needed in responce to this.... 8 game sample size. How do you know that Grossman sucks as bad as you insinuate? Simple truth is you don't, nobody knows how good or bad he is. LMAO at judging a QB on 8 games. If you'll notice, it is not the guys saying he should get a chance that are asserting any great deductions on his ability. It is only the ones who think he sucks that would love to predict an entire NFL career on 8 games.

I don't need 8 games to know that Grossman sucks. I honestly think most people don't. And don't confuse poor results with judging what a guy can do. Peyton Manning was fairly ugly his first year. But nobody thought he wouldn't be a good QB. You can see things well beyond the Wins and Losses and even the incompletions and interceptions. But we're in reality here.It'd be awesome if the Bears could put both Griese in a time machine and let them play 2 years worth of games this Summer and make a detailed evaluation and then go with the guy that was proven. But reality is they have about 6 weeks of practice and 4 games to make a call. So you'd better make a decision pretty quickly.J

Joe, when did you become a QB guru? When did you quit coaching Qbs in the NFL? If he sucked, he wouldn't be out there. Obviously the guy can play some football.

Yourmom. He sucks for an NFL QB. He could obviously play up to this level. And I think you don't have to coach QB's in the NFL to see that. J

I have never heard ONE person with any ties/connections to the NFL that say that Rex Grossman sucks. No one knows. Stick to running this website because the more you post the more ridiculous you sound. At least I figured this out now. I can now cross your name off the list when looking at projections and/or advice. Again, I have no idea what grossman can be. Could be good, could be ok. He doesn't suck. Ridiculous comment.

 

[jurb26]

Jurb...are you feeling OK tonight? Grossman is the starter no matter what?!?!? Heard of something called Coachspeak? C'mon...Lovie will make the decision he feels is the best, even if it contradicts what he said the day before. He would be doing the team and himself a disservice otherwise. Any declaration made before opening day is only as good as the moment it's made. C'mon, you're better than this.

Well, Jason then maybe we are both having an "off" night after hearing your latest thoughts on preseason football.

What part of my views on preseason football are assailable?...do teams not use the preseason and training camp to evaluate position battles?...has Grossman done anything in game situations to say he will be good?...has Griese not handily outperformed him at every stop?...do coaches reserve the right to change their minds on depth charts at a moment's notice?...can a player play themselves out of, or into, a role during the preseason?...has Grossman only played 8 games in 3 seasons?...has Grossman failed to complete an acceptable amount of passes in any of his three seasons?...has Grossman struggled again this year, his 4th preseason?...has Griese outplayed him?...doesn't Griese also have the same lack of RB corps working against him?...don't the fans need to accept that coaches are going to make decisions regardless of what the fans think is "right"?...are the Bears not a contender in spite of their QB situation?...are the Bears historic numbers so alarming that it's silly to expect any QB to put up above average numbers consistently?Best,Woodrow

You're sidetracking. You just tried to say that playing in the 1st half and playing in the 2nd half of preseason games was the same.

 

[Jason Wood]

Jurb...are you feeling OK tonight? Grossman is the starter no matter what?!?!? Heard of something called Coachspeak? C'mon...Lovie will make the decision he feels is the best, even if it contradicts what he said the day before. He would be doing the team and himself a disservice otherwise. Any declaration made before opening day is only as good as the moment it's made. C'mon, you're better than this.

Well, Jason then maybe we are both having an "off" night after hearing your latest thoughts on preseason football.

What part of my views on preseason football are assailable?...do teams not use the preseason and training camp to evaluate position battles?...has Grossman done anything in game situations to say he will be good?...has Griese not handily outperformed him at every stop?...do coaches reserve the right to change their minds on depth charts at a moment's notice?...can a player play themselves out of, or into, a role during the preseason?...has Grossman only played 8 games in 3 seasons?...has Grossman failed to complete an acceptable amount of passes in any of his three seasons?...has Grossman struggled again this year, his 4th preseason?...has Griese outplayed him?...doesn't Griese also have the same lack of RB corps working against him?...don't the fans need to accept that coaches are going to make decisions regardless of what the fans think is "right"?...are the Bears not a contender in spite of their QB situation?...are the Bears historic numbers so alarming that it's silly to expect any QB to put up above average numbers consistently?Best,Woodrow

You're sidetracking. You just tried to say that playing in the 1st half and playing in the 2nd half of preseason games was the same.

 

[jurb26]

This situation is strikingly simlar to the Kitna/Palmer one a few years ago. I don't recall any resistance to Palmer taking over and Cincy "seeing what he could do" despite having a legitimate playoff team with Kitna already.

Are you kidding me here? Palmer was the 1st overall pick...not only were the Bengals financially committed to Palmer; they viewed him legitimately as a franchise QB; as did most scouts. Furthermore, the Bengals knew they weren't going to win a SB that year either way.Grossman a) was never considered a can't miss prospect, b) isn't paid a ton of money, c) has done nothing in 3 YEARS to engender that kind of faith and d) [Most Important] the Bears very much ARE a contender this year as long as their QB doesn't suck.

But, by the same token, I don't get why Bears fans think it would be wrong or a bad decision if they don't give Grossman a chance. He's getting his chance RIGHT NOW...if he's this bad in preseason snaps and/or practice, better to cut your losses before it really matters.

You can't really believe this can you? Come on, this is the PRESEASON and the Bears still don't have a RB to even speak of out there, let alone a running game. This is not an evaluation so much as it is a learning experience right now.

Jurb...you do realize that preseason and training camp are explicitly for talent evaluation and depth chart decisions, right?You also realize that Brian Griese has the same disadvantage of having no running game right now.

Jurb...are you feeling OK tonight?

Grossman is the starter no matter what?!?!? Heard of something called Coachspeak? C'mon...Lovie will make the decision he feels is the best, even if it contradicts what he said the day before. He would be doing the team and himself a disservice otherwise. Any declaration made before opening day is only as good as the moment it's made. C'mon, you're better than this.

Well, Jason then maybe we are both having an "off" night after hearing your latest thoughts on preseason football.

What part of my views on preseason football are assailable?...do teams not use the preseason and training camp to evaluate position battles?

...has Grossman done anything in game situations to say he will be good?

...has Griese not handily outperformed him at every stop?

...do coaches reserve the right to change their minds on depth charts at a moment's notice?

...can a player play themselves out of, or into, a role during the preseason?

...has Grossman only played 8 games in 3 seasons?

...has Grossman failed to complete an acceptable amount of passes in any of his three seasons?

...has Grossman struggled again this year, his 4th preseason?

...has Griese outplayed him?

...doesn't Griese also have the same lack of RB corps working against him?

...don't the fans need to accept that coaches are going to make decisions regardless of what the fans think is "right"?

...are the Bears not a contender in spite of their QB situation?

...are the Bears historic numbers so alarming that it's silly to expect any QB to put up above average numbers consistently?

Best,

Woodrow

You're sidetracking. You just tried to say that playing in the 1st half and playing in the 2nd half of preseason games was the same.

 

[Jason Wood]

This situation is strikingly simlar to the Kitna/Palmer one a few years ago. I don't recall any resistance to Palmer taking over and Cincy "seeing what he could do" despite having a legitimate playoff team with Kitna already.

Are you kidding me here? Palmer was the 1st overall pick...not only were the Bengals financially committed to Palmer; they viewed him legitimately as a franchise QB; as did most scouts. Furthermore, the Bengals knew they weren't going to win a SB that year either way.Grossman a) was never considered a can't miss prospect, b) isn't paid a ton of money, c) has done nothing in 3 YEARS to engender that kind of faith and d) [Most Important] the Bears very much ARE a contender this year as long as their QB doesn't suck.

But, by the same token, I don't get why Bears fans think it would be wrong or a bad decision if they don't give Grossman a chance. He's getting his chance RIGHT NOW...if he's this bad in preseason snaps and/or practice, better to cut your losses before it really matters.

You can't really believe this can you? Come on, this is the PRESEASON and the Bears still don't have a RB to even speak of out there, let alone a running game. This is not an evaluation so much as it is a learning experience right now.

Jurb...you do realize that preseason and training camp are explicitly for talent evaluation and depth chart decisions, right?You also realize that Brian Griese has the same disadvantage of having no running game right now.

Jurb...are you feeling OK tonight?

Grossman is the starter no matter what?!?!? Heard of something called Coachspeak? C'mon...Lovie will make the decision he feels is the best, even if it contradicts what he said the day before. He would be doing the team and himself a disservice otherwise. Any declaration made before opening day is only as good as the moment it's made. C'mon, you're better than this.

Well, Jason then maybe we are both having an "off" night after hearing your latest thoughts on preseason football.

What part of my views on preseason football are assailable?...do teams not use the preseason and training camp to evaluate position battles?

...has Grossman done anything in game situations to say he will be good?

...has Griese not handily outperformed him at every stop?

...do coaches reserve the right to change their minds on depth charts at a moment's notice?

...can a player play themselves out of, or into, a role during the preseason?

...has Grossman only played 8 games in 3 seasons?

...has Grossman failed to complete an acceptable amount of passes in any of his three seasons?

...has Grossman struggled again this year, his 4th preseason?

...has Griese outplayed him?

...doesn't Griese also have the same lack of RB corps working against him?

...don't the fans need to accept that coaches are going to make decisions regardless of what the fans think is "right"?

...are the Bears not a contender in spite of their QB situation?

...are the Bears historic numbers so alarming that it's silly to expect any QB to put up above average numbers consistently?

Best,

Woodrow

You're sidetracking. You just tried to say that playing in the 1st half and playing in the 2nd half of preseason games was the same.

Again I ask... At no point have I said, nor did I insinuate that playing in the 2nd half, or more to your point, playing against 2nd teamers was the same as 1st teamers.

 

[jurb26]

Again I ask...At no point have I said, nor did I insinuate that playing in the 2nd half, or more to your point, playing against 2nd teamers was the same as 1st teamers.

You stated that Griese was playing at the same disadvantage as Grossman. He was playing in the 2nd half, not 1st. How else are we to inturpret that?

 

[Jason Wood]

Again I ask...At no point have I said, nor did I insinuate that playing in the 2nd half, or more to your point, playing against 2nd teamers was the same as 1st teamers.

You stated that Griese was playing at the same disadvantage as Grossman. He was playing in the 2nd half, not 1st. How else are we to inturpret that?

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...he's at the same disadvantage of not having a running game at his disposal; nothing more, nothing less. Again, I made about 15 other points (see above) that give a more holistic view of my views on the preseason...care to assail them?

 

[eddy13]

Did anyone notice that Merriman was in on first and second downs buton 3rd downs they would take him out! . Isn't he there best pass rusher so why take him out on third...

 

[jurb26]

Again I ask...At no point have I said, nor did I insinuate that playing in the 2nd half, or more to your point, playing against 2nd teamers was the same as 1st teamers.

You stated that Griese was playing at the same disadvantage as Grossman. He was playing in the 2nd half, not 1st. How else are we to inturpret that?

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...he's at the same disadvantage of not having a running game at his disposal; nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah I'm sure that 14 yd run on the scoring drive to put Chi inside the 20 was a real strain on Griese.

 

[Sigfawn]

Again I ask...At no point have I said, nor did I insinuate that playing in the 2nd half, or more to your point, playing against 2nd teamers was the same as 1st teamers.

You stated that Griese was playing at the same disadvantage as Grossman. He was playing in the 2nd half, not 1st. How else are we to inturpret that?

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...he's at the same disadvantage of not having a running game at his disposal; nothing more, nothing less. Again, I made about 15 other points (see above) that give a more holistic view of my views on the preseason...care to assail them?

Someone pull the plug on Jurbs computer, he's getting killed.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Not much noteworthy other than what I saw from Turner. Really wasn't too exciting save for Turner's run and with Urlacher's INT TD and Davis's return TD.

Grossman will be starting Week 1. I don't get involved in those debates because I don't think there is one going into the regular season.

Can't wait to get Benson and Jones back. The season can't start soon enough for me.

 

[jurb26]

Not much noteworthy other than what I saw from Turner. Really wasn't too exciting save for Turner's run and with Urlacher's INT TD and Davis's return TD.Grossman will be starting Week 1. I don't get involved in those debates because I don't think there is one going into the regular season. Can't wait to get Benson and Jones back. The season can't start soon enough for me.

Funny how all the non-Bears homer know more than the real Bears homers on the QB situation.

 

[Judge Smails]

Did they just say that Griese cannot become the Bears starter for the start of the season? Why not, exactly?

Yeah...Simms said all indication from the Bears' coaching staff point to Grossman being the starter regardless of what happens in the preseason. This is news to me. I though Griese had a fighter's chance?Man does Lovie have a mancrush on Grossman or what?

There is a reason Griese is on his 3rd team. He is a good back-up QB. The bears NEED to see what Grossman can do. I know he has been hurt. Grossman has a chance to be very good. He has a chance to be bad. They have to see what he is. Everyone knows what Griese is. An ok NFL QB.

Where do you get the notion that Rex Grossman could be "very good" or better than Brian Griese? FYI...Griese isn't on his 4th team (not 3rd) because he's an average QB, he's on his 4th team because despite very solid play he's been unable to engender the confidence and support of his teammates and coaches; it's more a personality/huddle thing than anything Griese can't do as a passer.Griese is a career 63% passer, has a very solid 7.1 yards per attempt, has thrown 103 TDs in 75 games and only 78 INTs. In eight NFL seasons, Griese has thrown more INTs than TDs twice...including his rookie season when he has 1 INT and zero TDs in three pass attempts. He's much better than "ok"...and has as much, if not more upside than Rex Grossman. You do realize that in three seasons, in three separate stints, Grossman hasn't completed more than 56% of his passes? Griese's worst stint was a part-timer in Miami...and even at his WORST, he's been better than Grossman.

The last half of the last sentence is pure poetry. The definitive state of the state from Woodrow..

 

[cybergourmet]

I think the Bears homers are resigned to a few plays from Grossman and then an injury. As long as there's more than one opportunity at QB they're happy.

Holdin' it down for the cheese in the big city.

Go Packers.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

Not much noteworthy other than what I saw from Turner. Really wasn't too exciting save for Turner's run and with Urlacher's INT TD and Davis's return TD.Grossman will be starting Week 1. I don't get involved in those debates because I don't think there is one going into the regular season. Can't wait to get Benson and Jones back. The season can't start soon enough for me.

Funny how all the non-Bears homer know more than the real Bears homers on the QB situation.

Really, with technology the way it is anyone can be just as knowledgable as any homer fan, if they choose to be. The Chicago papers are all online; you can get local radio stations via Internet streaming. Most teams have beat reporters who blog from training camp regularly if not daily. Not to mention a host of media sites act as clearinghouses for team-by-team information. Your remark would hold some water about twenty years ago, but not today.

 

[jurb26]

Not much noteworthy other than what I saw from Turner. Really wasn't too exciting save for Turner's run and with Urlacher's INT TD and Davis's return TD.Grossman will be starting Week 1. I don't get involved in those debates because I don't think there is one going into the regular season. Can't wait to get Benson and Jones back. The season can't start soon enough for me.

Funny how all the non-Bears homer know more than the real Bears homers on the QB situation.

Really, with technology the way it is anyone can be just as knowledgable as any homer fan, if they choose to be. The Chicago papers are all online; you can get local radio stations via Internet streaming. Most teams have beat reporters who blog from training camp regularly if not daily. Not to mention a host of media sites act as clearinghouses for team-by-team information. Your remark would hold some water about twenty years ago, but not today.

Yes, I'm sure everyone in every state and nation is equally concerned with how things are looking in Bears camp as the people who devote Sundays to that particular team. We're all passing the days trolling Chi news paper sites and message boards, hacking into internet radio streamings and tracking down beat writers for the team. How silly of me to have forgoten. Cheers not only is everyone a QB coach and scout for a NFL team, but also everyone seconds as a Bears expert today!

 

[Bears_Man2]

Turner's big run 2nite (45 yards I think). Extremely impressive:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UL5PYoVC0EY

Poor Peanut.

 

[videoguy505]

Caught the game on tape. Was it just me, or is Rivers not pointing his foot when he throws? He's not even stepping in the right direction half the time, a lot of his throws seem awkward and across the body, instead of pointing that toe at the WR and just letting the ball go there. He takes a step 70% of the way there, but his feet just didn't seem right. Not confidence inspiring.

 

[Your Mom]

Caught the game on tape. Was it just me, or is Rivers not pointing his foot when he throws? He's not even stepping in the right direction half the time, a lot of his throws seem awkward and across the body, instead of pointing that toe at the WR and just letting the ball go there. He takes a step 70% of the way there, but his feet just didn't seem right. Not confidence inspiring.

Send a PM to Joe bryant. He is the QB genius. He'll be able to tell you exactly whats going on with his mechanics. IMO rivers looked flustered and just wanted to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible.

 

[fatness]

I'm travelling and could not see the game last night. Was there any evidence seen that Grossman doesn't suck?

 

[cr8f]

I'm travelling and could not see the game last night. Was there any evidence seen that Grossman doesn't suck?

A little, but doubt if he gets the job.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Caught the game on tape. Was it just me, or is Rivers not pointing his foot when he throws? He's not even stepping in the right direction half the time, a lot of his throws seem awkward and across the body, instead of pointing that toe at the WR and just letting the ball go there. He takes a step 70% of the way there, but his feet just didn't seem right. Not confidence inspiring.

Send a PM to Joe bryant. He is the QB genius. He'll be able to tell you exactly whats going on with his mechanics.

Really? Im pretty sure your mom said I was a smooth, well-oiled machine last night.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Any report on Peanut Tillman...Howd he look? Will he be pushed for a starting job?

I find it hard to crucify him for being bulldozed by Turner. guy is one hell of a player.

 

[The Tick]

This situation is strikingly simlar to the Kitna/Palmer one a few years ago. I don't recall any resistance to Palmer taking over and Cincy "seeing what he could do" despite having a legitimate playoff team with Kitna already.

Are you kidding me here? Palmer was the 1st overall pick...not only were the Bengals financially committed to Palmer; they viewed him legitimately as a franchise QB; as did most scouts. Furthermore, the Bengals knew they weren't going to win a SB that year either way.Grossman a) was never considered a can't miss prospect, b) isn't paid a ton of money, c) has done nothing in 3 YEARS to engender that kind of faith and d) [Most Important] the Bears very much ARE a contender this year as long as their QB doesn't suck.

But, by the same token, I don't get why Bears fans think it would be wrong or a bad decision if they don't give Grossman a chance. He's getting his chance RIGHT NOW...if he's this bad in preseason snaps and/or practice, better to cut your losses before it really matters.

You can't really believe this can you? Come on, this is the PRESEASON and the Bears still don't have a RB to even speak of out there, let alone a running game. This is not an evaluation so much as it is a learning experience right now.

Jurb...you do realize that preseason and training camp are explicitly for talent evaluation and depth chart decisions, right?You also realize that Brian Griese has the same disadvantage of having no running game right now.

I'm also pretty sure that Griese got to go against some second team defenders, and had much less pressure on him when he threw. I didn't see any defenders leaping over a piss poor RB block to plant him into the ground much.It's a little bit easier for the proven vet that Griese is to pick apart a defense that is starting to put in guys they are evaluating and removing their starters.

I really don't know who will win out, and if Grossman doesn't work out and win a couple of the first three games, but i'm excited to see what's going to happen, and hope my team will put out a QB that will make some good decisions and win games. I do think Grossman can do that, but if not, i'll be more then ready for him to hit the bench.

I'm also surprised that I haven't heard more people here complain about the pass blocking of that line. They looked really bad, and Grossman did put a few balls where they needed to be while he was on the run after half the defense was in the backfield.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

Did anyone notice that Merriman was in on first and second downs buton 3rd downs they would take him out! . Isn't he there best pass rusher so why take him out on third...

The Chargers best pure pass rusher is Philips (Had 7 sacks in limited duty last year). He comes in on 3rd downs. Sometimes Merriman stays in, sometimes not.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Any report on Peanut Tillman...Howd he look? Will he be pushed for a starting job?I find it hard to crucify him for being bulldozed by Turner. guy is one hell of a player.

Comeon kids...anything on Tillman?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I just wanted to chime in here on the Rex Grossman debate with someone with a relatively unique viewpoint on this.

I went to school at University of Florida (GO GATORS!), so I watched Grossman througout his college career and I also lived in Chicago the past 15 years, so I got to see and hear as much of the local press as anyone on him. So maybe I can shine some light on the discussion.

In college Grossman always had the seriously unkanny knack for making the big play at the right time. Just slipping away from the lineman, hitting a guy on 4th down in overtime for a TD, playmaking.

Coming out of College I had high expectations as Grossman had the best arm of any QB that came out of Spurriers Fun'N'Gun Offense and, although neither Danny Wuerffel, Doug Johnson nor Shane Mathews could throw a ball threw a wet paper bag, they could read NFL defenses and read the correct open man. Grossman is the last QB of those wide open offenses and I expected a better transition.

Today IMHO its hard to project him. He hasn't played in so long. The timing has to be shot, I would think. But I've seen stranger things happen. He does have a good defense and an experienced #1 behind him.

I saw the game. I saw the errant passes, but for once this really is a guy who needs the preseason. All I can say is we will know more week 4, but regardless this isnt going to be a high powered passing offense.

Peace

S

 

[BigRed]

I can't believe how many posts there are on CHI QBs. What lunatic would draft one anyway? Y'all must be in some DEEP leaugues...

Anyway can anyone give a quick .02 on impressions from last night (ie other than CHI QBs)? I only saw a little and noticed LT not playing and some little fireplug SD RB with the gross Steven Jackson 'do playing pretty well.

Edit oh yeah and River's perfect pass to Urlacher.

 

[Despyzer]

The fact of the matter is Grossman is looking astonishingly like Rivers in the first half. That is _not_ a compliment.

LOL @ all the Rivers-bashers in this thread. The guy went 9 for 14 with one bad pass against the starting unit of the toughest defense in the NFL. Here's what NFL.com had to say:

Rivers completed 9 of 14 passes for 75 yards and made one of the best plays of the first half. Shaking off two tacklers, he rolled left and threw a 21-yard pass to Malcom Floyd on the sideline.

If this is his bad day, I'll take it.

 

[BigRed]

The fact of the matter is Grossman is looking astonishingly like Rivers in the first half. That is _not_ a compliment.

LOL @ all the Rivers-bashers in this thread. The guy went 9 for 14 with one bad pass against the starting unit of the toughest defense in the NFL. Here's what NFL.com had to say:

ONE bad pass? Admittedly I didn't see all of his plays, but even I saw more than 1.

 

[Despyzer]

ONE bad pass? Admittedly I didn't see all of his plays, but even I saw more than 1.

So you honestly believe that 9 for 14 and 75 is a crappy game against the Bears' D?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The fact of the matter is Grossman is looking astonishingly like Rivers in the first half. That is _not_ a compliment.

LOL @ all the Rivers-bashers in this thread. The guy went 9 for 14 with one bad pass against the starting unit of the toughest defense in the NFL. Here's what NFL.com had to say:

ONE bad pass? Admittedly I didn't see all of his plays, but even I saw more than 1.

Do you have another one in mind? He threw four incompletions. (I just went back and watched them all several times.) One was a drop by Manumaleuna. One was thrown into the dirt on purpose to avoid a sack. I don't think either one of them could be considered bad passes. The other two, one to Osgood and one to Krause, were borderline. The one to Osgood was behind him. If it had been in front of him, the Bears may have had a shot at it. So Rivers put it where only Osgood had a shot, but it would have been a very difficult catch. He really wasn't open. So that might be considered a bad pass. The final one to Krause was thirty yards on a rope that was a bit out in front of him, but it was definitely catchable. I wouldn't call it a bad pass, but it's a judgment call.So in two preseason games, thirty-five attempts, he's thrown between one and three bad passes, the only clear one being to Urlacher.

 

[Despyzer]

Do you have another one in mind? He threw four incompletions. (I just went back and watched them all several times.) One was a drop by Manumaleuna. One was thrown into the dirt on purpose to avoid a sack. I don't think either one of them could be considered bad passes. The other two, one to Osgood and one to Krause, were borderline. The one to Osgood was behind him. If it had been in front of him, the Bears may have had a shot at it. So Rivers put it where only Osgood had a shot, but it would have been a very difficult catch. He really wasn't open. So that might be considered a bad pass. The final one to Krause was thirty yards on a rope that was a bit out in front of him, but it was definitely catchable. I wouldn't call it a bad pass, but it's a judgment call.So in two preseason games, thirty-five attempts, he's thrown between one and three bad passes, the only clear one being to Urlacher.

Do you mind? We're trying to have a pissing contest here.

 

[mbuehner]

The point was, Grossman wasnt playing against the Bears defense, he's a 4th year veteran, and he still didnt manage to look better than Rivers. The only way to make Grossman look reasonable in contrast is to portray Rivers as having had some sort of spectacular outing, which is not the case. He looked ok, which for a virtual rookie is very nice. But what this entire conversation is lacking is the realization that you dont get a handicap in the NFL for being a rookie or for having only played 8 games in 3 years. You produce or your team loses and you probably see the bench sooner rather than later.

 

[BoulderBob]

I can't believe how many posts there are on CHI QBs. What lunatic would draft one anyway? Y'all must be in some DEEP leaugues... Anyway can anyone give a quick .02 on impressions from last night (ie other than CHI QBs)? I only saw a little and noticed LT not playing and some little fireplug SD RB with the gross Steven Jackson 'do playing pretty well.Edit oh yeah and River's perfect pass to Urlacher.

Right on, although I'm going to expand on your point just a bit. For starters, the Bears don't need a superstar QB to win their division/conference/super-bowl, if Grossman can limit the turnovers, and complete the occasional deep pass(a thing Orton was beyond terrible at, I doubt Orton threw more than two accurate strikes beyond 10+ yards, also a throw which Grossman is very accurate with) they will win. The Bears are a running team, and they have a damn good run-blocking o-line and three better than average running backs. Time will tell if Griese takes the starting job from Grossman, but it sure as hell isn't going to happen before week 4 of the regular season. Bottom line, the Chicago franshise has too much invested in Grossman to bench him for a journeyman. Every game I have watched the guy(regular season) he has looked calm and collected, which is exactly what the Bears need at the position.

 

[gocats]

Bears offense still sucking.

We need a Pac 10 QB...like Cade McNown.

Or Carson Palmer, or John Elway, or Jake Plummer, or Dan Fouts, or Mark Brunell, or Warren Moon, or Troy Aikman......

 

[jurb26]

The point was, Grossman wasnt playing against the Bears defense, he's a 4th year veteran, and he still didnt manage to look better than Rivers. The only way to make Grossman look reasonable in contrast is to portray Rivers as having had some sort of spectacular outing, which is not the case. He looked ok, which for a virtual rookie is very nice. But what this entire conversation is lacking is the realization that you dont get a handicap in the NFL for being a rookie or for having only played 8 games in 3 years. You produce or your team loses and you probably see the bench sooner rather than later.

Rivers is a 3 year Vet as opposed to Grossman being a 4 year Vet. Not really seeing much of a difference there. Rivers has 3 years in the same system, Grossman 2. The overwhelming fact is that both have the real life game experience of rookies. I would expect that to show, especially in the preseason. It has. Rivers is also going to have the pleasure of far better weapons around him, or so it would seem heading into the season. On top of that, I personally feel that Rivers is the better talent. I'm expecting a better season from him than Grossman.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I personally feel that Rivers is the better talent. I'm expecting a better season from him than Grossman.

You, me and the rest of the free worldare expecting a better season from Riversas opposed to Grossman.

 

[chris1969]

It doesn't matter who is the starting QB for the Bears! Fantasy wise, he will suck and NFL wise it won't matter.

 

[jurb26]

Good thing the Bears management didn't read this thread I guess.