Charles Grant to visit the Tampa Bay Bucs (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Now Grant would make a great addition to the Bucs and is still in his prime but the thought of parting with 2 1st round picks seems rather silly. The Bucs can see the writing on the wall if Moss is traded to GB...Oakland will take Calvin Johnson who was on their wish list. Joe Thomas will surely come off the board before they pick as well. They could go for 1 of the 2 QBs but that sends a signal of rebuilding(they are), and also possibly the end of the Gruden era at some point if things don't turnaround in a hurry. Shame a guy that won a SB for what was at one time the laughing stock of the league seems to be on the hot seat. not saying I disagree with how he got there.

My point is the draft is deep with DE and also WR so they can go in that direction in the 2nd round. I would still like to see them rebuild the OL or they will never win anything again. Either move up and take Thomas or trade down, or I guess part with the pick for the right player. Not sure if Charles Grant is that man but he has done a really good job in NO and I am sure they don't want to lose him.

Here is the link. CHarles Grant to visit.

 

[redman]

Unless there's more lead in the water in Tampa than I'm aware of, there's no way they'll trade two #1's to New Orleans for Grant. If they want him they'll negotiate some sort of discounted deal.

 

[Saints-Man]

Unless there's more lead in the water in Tampa than I'm aware of, there's no way they'll trade two #1's to New Orleans for Grant. If they want him they'll negotiate some sort of discounted deal.

Grant has been an excellent player for New Orleans. He plays both the run and the pass well, and is known for playing every down. He and DE Will Smith are the backbone of the defense that lacks overall talent at other positions, yet was able to jell with a new coaching staff. But why would the Saints give a discounted deal to a divisional team to a player they really like?

 

[redman]

Unless there's more lead in the water in Tampa than I'm aware of, there's no way they'll trade two #1's to New Orleans for Grant. If they want him they'll try to negotiate some sort of discounted deal.

Grant has been an excellent player for New Orleans. He plays both the run and the pass well, and is known for playing every down. He and DE Will Smith are the backbone of the defense that lacks overall talent at other positions, yet was able to jell with a new coaching staff. But why would the Saints give a discounted deal to a divisional team to a player they really like?

I should have added the word "try" there - you're exactly right about what the Saints will demand from a division rival in trade.

 

[gump]

Nothing to see here but a GM and Coach being very active.

Isn't Grant a UFA next year? Maybe just trying to build a relationship?

 

[Banger]

I'm not saying that this would ever happen but when compensating a team with 2 1st rounders, do they have to be your 1st rounders? Or could TB trade their early 1st rounder to NE for their 2 late 1st rounders and send those to NO?

 

[gump]

I'm not saying that this would ever happen but when compensating a team with 2 1st rounders, do they have to be your 1st rounders? Or could TB trade their early 1st rounder to NE for their 2 late 1st rounders and send those to NO?

According to the article, it must be the teams original pick...not one traded for.

 

[Banger]

I'm not saying that this would ever happen but when compensating a team with 2 1st rounders, do they have to be your 1st rounders? Or could TB trade their early 1st rounder to NE for their 2 late 1st rounders and send those to NO?

According to the article, it must be the teams original pick...not one traded for.

Ok, thanks.

 

[T Man]

If they try to make a move for Grant this year, look for a draft pick this year (maybe a 2nd or 3rd) and a # 1 next year.

My guess is Tampa does not value next year's picks as much as the ones this year.

 

[bostonfred]

The 1.4 should be more than enough trade bait to get Grant. If they don't think CJ or Joe T are going to be there then this actually wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Nothing to see here but a GM and Coach being very active.Isn't Grant a UFA next year? Maybe just trying to build a relationship?

Just like they did with Garcia.

 

[psychobillies]

Nothing to see here but a GM and Coach being very active.Isn't Grant a UFA next year? Maybe just trying to build a relationship?

Just like they did with Garcia.

He's worth more to TB b/c he improves their team as much as it hurts the defending division champs. If N.O. can get two #1's and the cap savings then I say do it. Anything less would be stupid. It wouldn't make sense to draft a DE at 1.4 and pay him just as much as Grant woud take.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Nothing to see here but a GM and Coach being very active.Isn't Grant a UFA next year? Maybe just trying to build a relationship?

Just like they did with Garcia.

He's worth more to TB b/c he improves their team as much as it hurts the defending division champs. If N.O. can get two #1's and the cap savings then I say do it. Anything less would be stupid. It wouldn't make sense to draft a DE at 1.4 and pay him just as much as Grant woud take.

There is no way we would give up 2 1st. If anything they would agree to something with later picks, possibly 2a or 2b. Buc's also show their interest in DE's for the draft, whether it's genuine or not.

 

[psychobillies]

Nothing to see here but a GM and Coach being very active.Isn't Grant a UFA next year? Maybe just trying to build a relationship?

Just like they did with Garcia.

He's worth more to TB b/c he improves their team as much as it hurts the defending division champs. If N.O. can get two #1's and the cap savings then I say do it. Anything less would be stupid. It wouldn't make sense to draft a DE at 1.4 and pay him just as much as Grant woud take.

There is no way we would give up 2 1st. If anything they would agree to something with later picks, possibly 2a or 2b. Buc's also show their interest in DE's for the draft, whether it's genuine or not.

I know that 2 #1's is high, but why would N.O. do this if TB wasn't going to overpay?

 

[jchap31]

Maybe the Saints are looking to move up

Grant + 1.27 for the 1.04 and a 2007 or 2008 2nd rounder (probably an '08 pick)

I'd love to see Calvin Johnson and Marques Colston line up with Henderson as a #3, although my guess is they'd go defense or possibly trade back down into top-15 range.

 

[Jene Bramel]

While Rob Ninkovich was impressive during the pre-season, the Saints don't have anyone remotely capable of replacing Charles Grant on the strong side end. Salary dump or not, I agree with the Saint homers who suggest that the package would have to be ridiculous to pull him away.

Simeon Rice is still on the market, but the Saints would almost certainly have to draft a viable replacement (Ninkovich should be recovered from an ACL injury but isn't an every down player) and a single first round draft pick is a longshot to provide the value that Grant would. Even moving into position for, say, Gaines Adams or the top DE, with an additional first rounder in 2008 thrown in doesn't make much sense.

For a playoff/Super Bowl contender, trading Grant for less than full value doesn't make much sense.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Nothing to see here but a GM and Coach being very active.Isn't Grant a UFA next year? Maybe just trying to build a relationship?

Just like they did with Garcia.

He's worth more to TB b/c he improves their team as much as it hurts the defending division champs. If N.O. can get two #1's and the cap savings then I say do it. Anything less would be stupid. It wouldn't make sense to draft a DE at 1.4 and pay him just as much as Grant woud take.

There is no way we would give up 2 1st. If anything they would agree to something with later picks, possibly 2a or 2b. Buc's also show their interest in DE's for the draft, whether it's genuine or not.

I know that 2 #1's is high, but why would N.O. do this if TB wasn't going to overpay?

I personally think it's establishing relations with a top 08' FA, and letting everyoone know we are looking at DE's. Possible front on Gains?

 

[Saints-Man]

Nothing to see here but a GM and Coach being very active.Isn't Grant a UFA next year? Maybe just trying to build a relationship?

This is a good point. They are taking the chance(and with no downside) that the Saints can't sign Grant to a long-term deal. They haven't been able to do so yet, and the visit may make Grant more want to go play with the Bucs.

 

[T Man]

I cannot see the Saints giving up 1.27 plus Grant for the 1.4.

AND I can't see the Bucs giving up 1.4 and next years first rounder for Grant.

If the Bucs were really interested in Grant, they would work out a trade of a 1st round range and a second round range necessary to get the pick done. For example, the Bucs could ask if the Saints would accept a 1st rounder in the 11-15 range and a second rounder in the same range.

Then shop the 1.4 to get that range of picks plus some so that they get Grant and some picks.

IIRC, the JEts and Atlanta did something like that last year.

 

[ATC1]

While Rob Ninkovich was impressive during the pre-season, the Saints don't have anyone remotely capable of replacing Charles Grant on the strong side end. Salary dump or not, I agree with the Saint homers who suggest that the package would have to be ridiculous to pull him away.Simeon Rice is still on the market, but the Saints would almost certainly have to draft a viable replacement (Ninkovich should be recovered from an ACL injury but isn't an every down player) and a single first round draft pick is a longshot to provide the value that Grant would. Even moving into position for, say, Gaines Adams or the top DE, with an additional first rounder in 2008 thrown in doesn't make much sense.For a playoff/Super Bowl contender, trading Grant for less than full value doesn't make much sense.

Whitehead would be the DE in place for Grant. However, I see this nothing more than the Bucs making Grant see how much he is worth and trying to cause problems for the Saints. Perhaps Grant would demand a trade to the Bucs or refuse to play ala Briggs. Then the Saints won't have the upper hand in the trade anymore.You have to think that's what's being done. It's dirty that a team can do this, but with the players holding out I can see why more teams would want to try.

 

[Capella]

Grant + 1.27 for the 1.04 and a 2007 or 2008 2nd rounder (probably an '08 pick)

 

[T Man]

While Rob Ninkovich was impressive during the pre-season, the Saints don't have anyone remotely capable of replacing Charles Grant on the strong side end. Salary dump or not, I agree with the Saint homers who suggest that the package would have to be ridiculous to pull him away.Simeon Rice is still on the market, but the Saints would almost certainly have to draft a viable replacement (Ninkovich should be recovered from an ACL injury but isn't an every down player) and a single first round draft pick is a longshot to provide the value that Grant would. Even moving into position for, say, Gaines Adams or the top DE, with an additional first rounder in 2008 thrown in doesn't make much sense.For a playoff/Super Bowl contender, trading Grant for less than full value doesn't make much sense.

Whitehead would be the DE in place for Grant. However, I see this nothing more than the Bucs making Grant see how much he is worth and trying to cause problems for the Saints. Perhaps Grant would demand a trade to the Bucs or refuse to play ala Briggs. Then the Saints won't have the upper hand in the trade anymore.You have to think that's what's being done. It's dirty that a team can do this, but with the players holding out I can see why more teams would want to try.

Of course, the Saints had the right to put the restrictive franchise tag on Grant (costs a little more) and he could not even talk to any other team (ala the Colts and Freeney).In this case, it doesn't hurt to bring Grant in and see what he wants -- negotiate a little and give him a taste of the money he is wanting -- and then have him go back to the Saints unhappy and demanding. IF the Saints sign him, more $$ towards their cap. If they don't maybe extra headaches.In this case, I think the Bucs are interested in Grant. THey just won't part with the 1.4 or 2 #1s for him.

 

[ThePittbully]

While Rob Ninkovich was impressive during the pre-season, the Saints don't have anyone remotely capable of replacing Charles Grant on the strong side end. Salary dump or not, I agree with the Saint homers who suggest that the package would have to be ridiculous to pull him away.Simeon Rice is still on the market, but the Saints would almost certainly have to draft a viable replacement (Ninkovich should be recovered from an ACL injury but isn't an every down player) and a single first round draft pick is a longshot to provide the value that Grant would. Even moving into position for, say, Gaines Adams or the top DE, with an additional first rounder in 2008 thrown in doesn't make much sense.For a playoff/Super Bowl contender, trading Grant for less than full value doesn't make much sense.

I agree, the Saints will not let Grant go unless it is a blockbuster of a deal or the two first rounders. Like Bramel said, the team has absolutely no one to put in his spot and they are a legitimate conteder to win the nfc next season. I personally would love to see grant get signed to tampa so we can have the #4 pick. They could take Gaines Adams to immediately replace grant (Although in fairness no rookie is going to replace grant), and then take a corner later in the round.

 

[Jene Bramel]

While Rob Ninkovich was impressive during the pre-season, the Saints don't have anyone remotely capable of replacing Charles Grant on the strong side end. Salary dump or not, I agree with the Saint homers who suggest that the package would have to be ridiculous to pull him away.

Simeon Rice is still on the market, but the Saints would almost certainly have to draft a viable replacement (Ninkovich should be recovered from an ACL injury but isn't an every down player) and a single first round draft pick is a longshot to provide the value that Grant would. Even moving into position for, say, Gaines Adams or the top DE, with an additional first rounder in 2008 thrown in doesn't make much sense.

For a playoff/Super Bowl contender, trading Grant for less than full value doesn't make much sense.

Whitehead would be the DE in place for Grant. However, I see this nothing more than the Bucs making Grant see how much he is worth and trying to cause problems for the Saints. Perhaps Grant would demand a trade to the Bucs or refuse to play ala Briggs. Then the Saints won't have the upper hand in the trade anymore.You have to think that's what's being done. It's dirty that a team can do this, but with the players holding out I can see why more teams would want to try.

As I said, the Saints don't have anybody remotely capable of replacing what Grant provides. I liked Whitehead a couple of years ago, but his best years are well behind him. Not that Grant's sack numbers have been world-beating over the past two seasons, but I doubt a two headed Whitehead/Ninkovich monster would be consistent enough keep teams from doubling Will Smith on a regular basis.

 

[QUEZILLA]

PR says Grant WILL be a Buc in 08'.

 

[ATC1]

PR says Grant WILL be a Buc in 08'.

Isn't that illeagal to talk to a franchise player about coming the next year. Oh and BTW, we can still franchise him next year as well. I say trade him this year TB has 4 picks in the top 70. trade for the two second rounders or the top 2nd, 3rd and a fourth next year. I would be fine with that.

 

[ThePittbully]

PR says Grant WILL be a Buc in 08'.

Isn't that illeagal to talk to a franchise player about coming the next year. Oh and BTW, we can still franchise him next year as well. I say trade him this year TB has 4 picks in the top 70. trade for the two second rounders or the top 2nd, 3rd and a fourth next year. I would be fine with that.

Yea I wouldnt be shocked to see him franchised again, especially if he is going to the bucs

 

[jchap31]

Let the speculation end:

http://www.thenewsstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...8012/1006/rss02

I could see a trade package put together but this ends the speculation of the Bucs losing their minds.

 

[massraider]

PR says Grant WILL be a Buc in 08'.

Isn't that illeagal to talk to a franchise player about coming the next year. Oh and BTW, we can still franchise him next year as well.

Yeah, it is. It's also againt the rules to talk to FA's before the FA period starts. And yet, every year, a half dozen playrs are signed within 12 hours of midnight the first day.

 

[ATC1]

Let the speculation end:

http://www.thenewsstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...8012/1006/rss02

I could see a trade package put together but this ends the speculation of the Bucs losing their minds.

Grant was on the local news channel. He sounded like Briggs before he held out. The words, " I need to feed my children" left his mouth. He wants a contract deal by training camp, "In a bad way" He might hold out. It's time to trade him for what we can get and not to a division rival. If TB wants him so bad why not come to New Orleans with an offer to trade?

It's because they need the picks to trade up to get CJ, or they really don't care about Grant. They just wanted to

 

[QUEZILLA]

PR says Grant WILL be a Buc in 08'.

Isn't that illeagal to talk to a franchise player about coming the next year. Oh and BTW, we can still franchise him next year as well. I say trade him this year TB has 4 picks in the top 70. trade for the two second rounders or the top 2nd, 3rd and a fourth next year. I would be fine with that.

Yea I wouldnt be shocked to see him franchised again, especially if he is going to the bucs

I don't think it's illegal for Pewter Report to speculate that he may be a Buc in 08'.