Charlie Kirk Shooting (11 Viewers)

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

We can post here so we don't get the RIP thread locked

 

[dozer]

Bad. Very bad.

 

[AAABatteries]

@Joe Bryant - any chance to move the posts?

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Reddit is always a wretched hive of scum and villany, but the stuff I've inadvertently read there in the last 15 minutes is some of the worst public discourse I've ever seen. I fear for our society.

I take it you avoided Twitter? It can get worse.....

I don't scroll through random user comments on Twitter but it's definitely not worse from what I've seen.

MSNBC's coverage has been pretty grotesque as well.

watching it now and.... no it has not been. not even a little. at all.

They've already speculated it was a Kirk supporter who fired out of celebration and are now going down the road of how Trump can use this politically. Its gross AF.

jesus dude, that sounds terrible. no wonder their rating are bad.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

in hindsight, maybe I shouldn'y have made this but hopefully we can keep it civil and not get this locked

 

[Judge Smails]

This is just disgusting and disheartening on so many levels.

 

[Manster]

Before it gets locked….

I’m devastated for his wife and two children.

He, and his wife were awesome together on his radio show. RIP

 

[Ghost Rider]

You have to feel for his wife and two young children. His kids are 3 and 1 and are now fatherless. Just terrible.

 

[rockaction]

RIP to Charlie Kirk and condolences and love for his wife and children. This isn't stunning, which might be the saddest thing I've written in a while.

This is not good. This was also bound to happen and we were talking about it when the health care CEO got killed. Ivan tried to say it was going there and he got abuse for it. I thought so also. This was coming and I'm really worried about our societal fabric.

Things are about to get really partisan and nasty, I fear. I won't, for anybody wondering. I've tried to be really cool about stuff and have been having people say the craziest, nastiest stuff. I don't have a ton of hope.

 

[Terpman22]

RIP to Charlie Kirk and condolences and love for his wife and children. This isn't stunning, which might be the saddest thing I've written in a while.

This is not good. This was also bound to happen and we were talking about it when the health care CEO got killed. Ivan tried to say it was going there and he got abuse for it. I thought so also. This was coming and I'm really worried about our societal fabric.

Things are about to get really partisan and nasty, I fear. I won't, for anybody wondering. I've tried to be really cool about stuff and have been having people say the craziest, nastiest stuff. I don't have a ton of hope.

There will be a lot of things that come after this but I promise you the most important thing won’t happen

“Any measure of gun control”

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

 

[Jayrod]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

It's 20 minutes old. Some mod has to wake up first. We've had some crazy out of bounds stuff last for hours on here.

 

[rockaction]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

I will, Sparky. First, please stop moderating. It's not your job. Second, it's because those threads always wound up being either ghoulish or a debate about gun control like Terpman22 just opined on. That's why. Because those threads would get really nasty.

 

[dozer]

I know many people admired Charlie Kirk, but I saw him differently. In my view, he often chose to spread misinformation and sow division, not to build understanding, but to grow his personal influence. I believe that kind of approach leaves us more polarized and less able to solve problems together. His death is tragic and he, for whatever reasons, had an impact on our political culture. I love this great country and my hope is that we can use this moment to reflect on the kind of leadership and discourse that actually strengthens our communities.

 

[Jayrod]

I know many people admired Charlie Kirk, but I saw him differently. In my view, he often chose to spread misinformation and sow division, not to build understanding, but to grow his personal influence. I believe that kind of approach leaves us more polarized and less able to solve problems together. His death is tragic and he, for whatever reasons, had an impact he had on our political culture. I love this great country and my hope is that we can use this moment to reflect on the kind of leadership and discourse that actually strengthens our communities.

Meanwhile, I think he was a bastion of truth and defender of the constitution, especially free speech where he held actual public debates and was reasonable with people who were reasonable with him. Sure he had an agenda, but it wasn't malicious and wasn't misinformation. Per his tagline, "prove him wrong". He sought the truth and even held some non-conservative stances.

Meanwhile liberal media liked to cut up his quotes from social media and label him as racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. and fueled the hate that likely led to his assassination.

The call is coming from inside your house dozer and unlike you believe, you are the deluded and misinformed one.

 

[Jayrod]

Yeah, this thread isn't going to last so I'm not going to tapdance around BS posts.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

I made this in response to several of us talking about his murder in the RIP thread so in an attempt to divert the conversation away I made a new thread. This could easily get locked as soon as a mod get to it but in theory we can have whatever thread we want (but not yoga pants!) as long as it doesn't devolve into the PSF.

 

[TripItUp]

RIP to Charlie and his beautiful family. A sad sad day in this country.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Well that took about 15 posts to come unglued. This country is focked.

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't like your opinion, so I shoot you.

That's our world today

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

Oh it’ll be locked soon enough

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

Its better that this thread get locked rather than the RIP thread, I just hope I don't get in trouble. Ha ha

 

[dozer]

I know many people admired Charlie Kirk, but I saw him differently. In my view, he often chose to spread misinformation and sow division, not to build understanding, but to grow his personal influence. I believe that kind of approach leaves us more polarized and less able to solve problems together. His death is tragic and he, for whatever reasons, had an impact he had on our political culture. I love this great country and my hope is that we can use this moment to reflect on the kind of leadership and discourse that actually strengthens our communities.

Meanwhile, I think he was a bastion of truth and defender of the constitution, especially free speech where he held actual public debates and was reasonable with people who were reasonable with him. Sure he had an agenda, but it wasn't malicious and wasn't misinformation. Per his tagline, "prove him wrong". He sought the truth and even held some non-conservative stances.

Meanwhile liberal media liked to cut up his quotes from social media and label him as racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. and fueled the hate that likely led to his assassination.

The call is coming from inside your house dozer and unlike you believe, you are the deluded and misinformed one.

Jayrod, I appreciate your response. I realize many people saw Charlie Kirk as a defender of free speech and admired his willingness to debate. From my perspective, though, the way he framed issues often seemed more about rallying people against an “enemy” than about finding common ground. I think that’s part of why reactions to him are so divided. I don’t expect us to agree on his legacy, but I do think it’s important that we keep questioning all voices in politics — left or right — to make sure we’re really moving toward truth and unity, not just influence.

 

[rockaction]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

I will, Sparky. First, please stop moderating. It's not your job. Second, it's because those threads always wound up being either ghoulish or a debate about gun control like Terpman22 just opined on. That's why. Because those threads would get really nasty.

Yeah, Im not moderating. I asked a question. Take that nonsense elsewhere and stop trying to frame things in a clearly unintended.

The evidence is not on your side. The things already said here have shut down threads in the past. That's objective. Let's stay in that realm.

I personally haven't and it was a plea to stop and not a reason to start or engage in an argument. You can do with it as you wish. I'm not long for this thread. You strike me as an okay dude. Take care, Sparky.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

I made this in response to several of us talking about his murder in the RIP thread so in an attempt to divert the conversation away I made a new thread. This could easily get locked as soon as a mod get to it but in theory we can have whatever thread we want (but not yoga pants!) as long as it doesn't devolve into the PSF.

Too late.

 

[Manster]

I know many people admired Charlie Kirk, but I saw him differently. In my view, he often chose to spread misinformation and sow division, not to build understanding, but to grow his personal influence. I believe that kind of approach leaves us more polarized and less able to solve problems together. His death is tragic and he, for whatever reasons, had an impact on our political culture. I love this great country and my hope is that we can use this moment to reflect on the kind of leadership and discourse that actually strengthens our communities.

Nope

 

[Max Power]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

Oh it’ll be locked soon enough

Yep it just takes time. Other political threads have taken hours to delete. Even spam ones sit for a while.

 

[AAABatteries]

finding common ground

One fundamental problem we have right now is what person in their right mind would want to put themselves and their family in the middle of this? We are just going to get more and more extreme candidates on both sides as normal, sane people decide it's not worth being a part of it. I used to enjoy discussing politics with a couple of my friends and family. I basically have stopped that with everyone but one friend. Toxic.

 

[SayWhat?]

Things are about to get really partisan and nasty, I fear.

About to get? That moment has long passed us by.

 

[ghostguy123]

I know many people admired Charlie Kirk, but I saw him differently. In my view, he often chose to spread misinformation and sow division, not to build understanding, but to grow his personal influence. I believe that kind of approach leaves us more polarized and less able to solve problems together. His death is tragic and he, for whatever reasons, had an impact on our political culture. I love this great country and my hope is that we can use this moment to reflect on the kind of leadership and discourse that actually strengthens our communities.

Seems weird.

Disagree with his views all you want, but he seemed to prefer to discuss different opinions rather than just blindly hating people without dialogue.

I sure as heck don't agree with a lot of his opinions, but as I stated elsewhere he was grossly misrepresented by a lotta folks.

 

[glvsav37]

I know many people admired Charlie Kirk, but I saw him differently. In my view, he often chose to spread misinformation and sow division, not to build understanding, but to grow his personal influence. I believe that kind of approach leaves us more polarized and less able to solve problems together. His death is tragic and he, for whatever reasons, had an impact on our political culture. I love this great country and my hope is that we can use this moment to reflect on the kind of leadership and discourse that actually strengthens our communities.

I'd like to know what "missinformation" you think he spread? And a lot of the "division" you calim he sowed was in response to people already looking for ways to divide the country or society.

You may not have liked what he said, but he generally spoke from statistics. He was very open about his religious beliefs and how he would prefer our country be more aligned to those.

When someone spoke of racial equality, he replied with statistics. When someone challenged him on abortion, he responded with his religious beliefs

However, this is the thing about "missinformation".....you can choose to not agree with him, but its not "missinformation" b/c YOU didnt agree with it. We are all adults and we can make up out own minds about what we hear.

 

[rockaction]

Things are about to get really partisan and nasty, I fear.

About to get? That moment has long passed us by.

I guess I think that what you think can't get worse can get worse really quickly and beyond what we thought.

 

[Terpman22]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

I will, Sparky. First, please stop moderating. It's not your job. Second, it's because those threads always wound up being either ghoulish or a debate about gun control like Terpman22 just opined on. That's why. Because those threads would get really nasty.

Fair point I'll stop. I mean its all touchy to talk about but also ya know, when assassinations are happening "many times a year" maybe at least the news of said assassinations are at least allowed to be talked about, bc usually its not called "an assassination" if its just a regular Joe, its usually bc its important folk why we deem the word

But Rock is right here, no need to talk about anything politically related, although everything about this guy if you knew nothing of politics then you probably would know nothing of the guy

I saw a vid of an older man, looked in his 60s gettin cuffed and word is the guy is in custody

 

[Bob Sacamano]

My Link

 

[Ilov80s]

Things are about to get really partisan and nasty, I fear.

About to get? That moment has long passed us by.

True but it can always get worse. Most things are still functioning relatively normally and we mostly feel safe. That can change still.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

finding common ground

One fundamental problem we have right now is what person in their right mind would want to put themselves and their family in the middle of this? We are just going to get more and more extreme candidates on both sides as normal, sane people decide it's not worth being a part of it. I used to enjoy discussing politics with a couple of my friends and family. I basically have stopped that with everyone but one friend. Toxic.

THIS

 

[dozer]

I know many people admired Charlie Kirk, but I saw him differently. In my view, he often chose to spread misinformation and sow division, not to build understanding, but to grow his personal influence. I believe that kind of approach leaves us more polarized and less able to solve problems together. His death is tragic and he, for whatever reasons, had an impact on our political culture. I love this great country and my hope is that we can use this moment to reflect on the kind of leadership and discourse that actually strengthens our communities.

I'd like to know what "missinformation" you think he spread? And a lot of the "division" you calim he sowed was in response to people already looking for ways to divide the country or society.

You may not have liked what he said, but he generally spoke from statistics. He was very open about his religious beliefs and how he would prefer our country be more aligned to those.

When someone spoke of racial equality, he replied with statistics. When someone challenged him on abortion, he responded with his religious beliefs

However, this is the thing about "missinformation".....you can choose to not agree with him, but its not "missinformation" b/c YOU didnt agree with it. We are all adults and we can make up out own minds about what we hear.

glvsav37, thanks for the thoughtful reply. You’re right that disagreement alone doesn’t equal misinformation. For me, the concern is when selective use of statistics, or framing without full context, gives people a distorted picture of reality. That’s different from an honest difference of opinion. On top of that, tying policy debates too tightly to religious doctrine can make it harder for those who don’t share the same faith to feel included in the conversation.

 

[Ilov80s]

Wait. We can have threads about political pundits getting shot, but school shooting threads are out of bounds? Make that make sense please.

I will, Sparky. First, please stop moderating. It's not your job. Second, it's because those threads always wound up being either ghoulish or a debate about gun control like Terpman22 just opined on. That's why. Because those threads would get really nasty.

Fair point I'll stop. I mean its all touchy to talk about but also ya know, when assassinations are happening "many times a year" maybe at least the news of said assassinations are at least allowed to be talked about, bc usually its not called "an assassination" if its just a regular Joe, its usually bc its important folk why we deem the word

But Rock is right here, no need to talk about anything politically related, although everything about this guy if you knew nothing of politics then you probably would know nothing of the guy

I saw a vid of an older man, looked in his 60s gettin cuffed and word is the guy is in custody

Seems like that is not the person. Most recent credible reports I've seen, the college police are saying they do not have a suspect in custody nor do they have a specific suspect.

 

[Terpman22]

I don't know much about him other than he was super young, raised a bunch of money for politics, but some of his quotes, like the day after a school shooting.

Seems he felt "Gun deaths were worth the right to bear arms" in a super short paraphrasing.

 

[Penguin]

I'm really sad at the state of this country and other countries for that matter. At this time anyway, I don't see us righting the ship

 

[Cowboysfan8]

We are all adults and we can make up out own minds about what we hear.

The problem is, imo…. Most people have their minds made up before they hear/read anything. We are in deep doo doo

 

[Sand]

I’m devastated for his wife and two children.

This is really what counts.

God got a good man back today.

 

[Ilov80s]

Its better that this thread get locked rather than the RIP thread, I just hope I don't get in trouble. Ha ha

I think you did the right thing. If the people are gathering with torches, better to lead them to a new shack than let them huddle up in a historic gathering space.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I didn't know he was that young. He's only 9 years younger than me. So ****ing sad and its so horrible that anyone would do this

 

[Joe Bryant]

This is just disgusting and disheartening on so many levels.

Agreed. We'll leave this one at that.

People can do the "Actually, he was growing his personal influence" stuff somewhere else.

Two kids lost their dad today and a wife lost her husband.