Chase Utley, Phillies, 23 game hit streak (1 Viewer)

[The Kerminator]

He would lose his hitting streak. It is called a 34 game hitting streak. As long as he plays in the game his hitting streak is on the line. Likewise, if he sits and makes one plate appearance as a pinch hitter.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

What a crock of ####. This is Major League Baseball. No way in hell that was a hit.WEAK.

You would score that as a hit?

He beat the throw. Flores tossing it wide meant nothing.

He waited to throw it.

That's not really an error.

What would you score it?

 

[JaxBill]

There's a slim chance that Utley could bat in the 9th. He would be the 6th batter.

 

[Capella]

What a crock of ####. This is Major League Baseball. No way in hell that was a hit.WEAK.

You would score that as a hit?

He beat the throw. Flores tossing it wide meant nothing.

He waited to throw it.

That's not really an error.

What would you score it?

hit, it was a close play to call and I would reward the hustle.

 

[The Jerk]

What a crock of ####. This is Major League Baseball. No way in hell that was a hit.WEAK.

You would score that as a hit?

He beat the throw. Flores tossing it wide meant nothing.

He waited to throw it.

That's not really an error.

It was not scored as an error, either, but rather as a fielder's choice. Essentially, it's a mental error, but that doesn't show up in the statistics. A similar example: Bases loaded, no outs. I'm playing third base. I get a ball hit right to me, just a little bit slow. Now I can get the ball and touch third for a force out, I can throw either to second or especially first to make an out. However, I decide to throw home to get the lead runner. The runner is fast, gets a good jump on the ball, and maybe I don't throw it my hardest. End result: The runner beats the ball home. That's not a hit. That's not an error. It's a fielder's choice, because I chose to try to make a play on a runner rather than the batter.If I'm a shortstop in that same situation and I make a diving stop but cannot recover in time to get anyone out (and I didn't pause to look around), then it's scored as a hit.

 

[avoiding injuries]

If a guy was intentionally walked in every at bat of a game (say 5 IBBs) would he lose his hitting streak or do you need at least one at bat?

No. From MLB.com:

Determining player performance streaks:

Consecutive Hitting Streaks: A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

P.S. Nice name for this thread.

He would lose his hitting streak. It is called a 34 game hitting streak. As long as he plays in the game his hitting streak is on the line. Likewise, if he sits and makes one plate appearance as a pinch hitter.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

What a crock of ####. This is Major League Baseball. No way in hell that was a hit.WEAK.

You would score that as a hit?

He beat the throw. Flores tossing it wide meant nothing.

He waited to throw it.

That's not really an error.

What would you score it?

hit, it was a close play to call and I would reward the hustle.

You should give him a lollipop, too.

 

[The Jerk]

He would lose his hitting streak. It is called a 34 game hitting streak. As long as he plays in the game his hitting streak is on the line. Likewise, if he sits and makes one plate appearance as a pinch hitter.

Wrong. See my post #100 or mlb.comEdited to add complete excerpt from mlb.com:

Determining player performance streaks:

Consecutive Hitting Streaks: A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

Consecutive-Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive-game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games.

 

[JaxBill]

He would lose his hitting streak. It is called a 34 game hitting streak. As long as he plays in the game his hitting streak is on the line. Likewise, if he sits and makes one plate appearance as a pinch hitter.

But it's called a hitting streak and he needs an official at-bat, not just a plate appearance.

Rule 10.24 of the Major League Baseball Official Rule Book states the following guidelines for cumulative performance records (specifically those dealing with hitting streaks):

A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

Consecutive Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats-streak.shtml

 

[Capella]

What a crock of ####. This is Major League Baseball. No way in hell that was a hit.

WEAK.

You would score that as a hit?

He beat the throw. Flores tossing it wide meant nothing.

He waited to throw it.

That's not really an error.

What would you score it?

hit, it was a close play to call and I would reward the hustle.

You should give him a lollipop, too.

It was a close play dude. Not worth your wrath.Let it go

 

[mr. furley]

A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly

wtf's the difference here?

 

[The Jerk]

He would lose his hitting streak. It is called a 34 game hitting streak. As long as he plays in the game his hitting streak is on the line. Likewise, if he sits and makes one plate appearance as a pinch hitter.

But it's called a hitting streak and he needs an official at-bat, not just a plate appearance.

Rule 10.24 of the Major League Baseball Official Rule Book states the following guidelines for cumulative performance records (specifically those dealing with hitting streaks):

A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

Consecutive Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) result in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats-streak.shtml

Not quite. A sacrifice fly is not an official at-bat either. However, it terminates the streak.

 

[JaxBill]

A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly

wtf's the difference here?

I guess the sacrifice is intentional with the bunt?

 

[TenTimes]

A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly

wtf's the difference here?

as an aside, does anybody else hate the new smiley box. i have to use the scroll bars to get to some of my most used smileys which is annoying as hell

 

[The Jerk]

A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly

wtf's the difference here?

Essentially that a sacrifice bunt significes complete intent to give up your at bat to advance a runner. While major leaguers sometimes go up with the intent to hit a fly ball to score a run, it's not 100% of the time. A sacrifice fly can occur on a ball that is caught at the wall by an outfielder. The batter would choose to have the ball travel a few more feet for a home run, whereas the bunter is choosing to put the ball down and give himself up entirely.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

This is too much, the justifications...just too much.

I will now, instead, root against Utley. Nice run kid, but I do not think you deserve to go further.

 

[The Jerk]

A consecutive game hitting streak shall not be terminated a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly

wtf's the difference here?

as an aside, does anybody else hate the new smiley box. i have to use the scroll bars to get to some of my most used smileys which is annoying as hell

I'd have added extra smileys too but...what you said.

 

[TenTimes]

This is too much, the justifications...just too much.

I will now, instead, root against Utley. Nice run kid, but I do not think you deserve to go further.

####in'

 

[Capella]

This is too much, the justifications...just too much.

I will now, instead, root against Utley. Nice run kid, but I do not think you deserve to go further.

 

[Mr Dingles]

One more chance to make a clean hit.

 

[The Jerk]

If he can't get a CLEAN hit in six tries, then there should be no whining.

 

[The Jerk]

This is too much, the justifications...just too much.

I will now, instead, root against Utley. Nice run kid, but I do not think you deserve to go further.

####in'

What exactly did Utley do to DESERVE your wrath? The scorekeeper and the posters, maybe. All Utley's doing is playing ball.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

This is too much, the justifications...just too much.

I will now, instead, root against Utley. Nice run kid, but I do not think you deserve to go further.

####in'

What exactly did Utley do to DESERVE your wrath? The scorekeeper and the posters, maybe. All Utley's doing is playing ball.

U talkin' to me?

 

[The Jerk]

Well, I guess two half-hits equals one hit mathematically, right?

 

[mr. furley]

and that settles that

 

[Mr Dingles]

That could be an error too...

 

[Capella]

clean hit.

 

[The Jerk]

This is too much, the justifications...just too much.

I will now, instead, root against Utley. Nice run kid, but I do not think you deserve to go further.

####in'

What exactly did Utley do to DESERVE your wrath? The scorekeeper and the posters, maybe. All Utley's doing is playing ball.

U talkin' to me?

 

[The Jerk]

clean hit.

Seahawk fans will argue that both of those hits were errors. The official scorekeeper probably grew up in Philadelphia. It's a conspiracy by MLB to sell more merchanidse.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

So, should I start back up or not?

You know that wasn't a regular SS, right?

 

[mr. furley]

clean hit.

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[The Jerk]

So, should I start back up or not?You know that wasn't a regular SS, right?

I think the ball was juiced.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

clean hit.

I wanted him to get a hit in THIS game, dummy.

 

[Capella]

So, should I start back up or not?You know that wasn't a regular SS, right?

wasn't a regular ss?

 

[Capella]

clean hit.

I wanted him to get a hit in THIS game, dummy.

huh?

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Well, that's two hits for Utley, so there should be no controversy.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Where and how did any of you turn this into me rooting against him? Re-read. I'm all for the streak continuing. It was only when they gifted that hit to him that I decided he would no longer be worthy of a streak. I'm glad he erased the doubt in his next AB. Good for him.

And by the way, I thought he handled both "hits" well. He seemed embarrassed at the first one, and just kinda put his head down after the second, um, hit.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

So, should I start back up or not?You know that wasn't a regular SS, right?

wasn't a regular ss?

Karros said it, not me. Wait, I think it was "an everyday SS probably makes that play". One of 'em said it.And feel free to turn those words into mine shortly.

 

[Capella]

Where and how did any of you turn this into me rooting against him? Re-read. I'm all for the streak continuing. It was only when they gifted that hit to him that I decided he would no longer be worthy of a streak. I'm glad he erased the doubt in his next AB. Good for him.And by the way, I thought he handled both "hits" well. He seemed embarrassed at the first one, and just kinda put his head down after the second, um, hit.

 

[Capella]

So, should I start back up or not?You know that wasn't a regular SS, right?

wasn't a regular ss?

Karros said it, not me. Wait, I think it was "an everyday SS probably makes that play". One of 'em said it.And feel free to turn those words into mine shortly.

Didn't have the volume up.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

clean hit.

I wanted him to get a hit in THIS game, dummy.

huh?

If he didn't get another AB, I would not have considered him worthy of continuing the streak, is all. The legit hit spells that notion.

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Even if Eckstein gets the ball in his glove on Utley's second hit of the game, there's no way he gets enough on the ball to throw Utley out with his speed. Eckstein has a weak arm as it is, throwing across his body would give him no chance.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

So, should I start back up or not?You know that wasn't a regular SS, right?

wasn't a regular ss?

Karros said it, not me. Wait, I think it was "an everyday SS probably makes that play". One of 'em said it.And feel free to turn those words into mine shortly.

Didn't have the volume up.

I was surprised he said it, actually...after all that. Anyway, I'm done, that game turned out alright, after all.

 

[The Jerk]

SLBD,

I'm with you on the first "hit" being bogus. What did he take, 6 or 7 steps toward third base? Like you said, it all worked out...

 

[ShotGunStyle]

Official scorer Mike Smith initially ruled it a fielder's choice - the scoreboard nevertheless credited a hit - but after watching replays Smith changed his call to a hit. Smith cited section 10.06 of the Official Baseball Rules, which states that a hit should be scored when a fielder looks or feints at a base before throwing late."My gut reaction was Flores' hesitation allowed him to beat the throw," Smith said. "In the end, the hit was the right call, and it's backed up by the rule book."

If you disagree with the call, then you simply don't know baseball.

 

[TenTimes]

Official scorer Mike Smith initially ruled it a fielder's choice - the scoreboard nevertheless credited a hit - but after watching replays Smith changed his call to a hit. Smith cited section 10.06 of the Official Baseball Rules, which states that a hit should be scored when a fielder looks or feints at a base before throwing late."My gut reaction was Flores' hesitation allowed him to beat the throw," Smith said. "In the end, the hit was the right call, and it's backed up by the rule book."

If you disagree with the call, then you simply don't know baseball.

end of discussion

 

[The Jerk]

Official scorer Mike Smith initially ruled it a fielder's choice - the scoreboard nevertheless credited a hit - but after watching replays Smith changed his call to a hit. Smith cited section 10.06 of the Official Baseball Rules, which states that a hit should be scored when a fielder looks or feints at a base before throwing late.

"My gut reaction was Flores' hesitation allowed him to beat the throw," Smith said. "In the end, the hit was the right call, and it's backed up by the rule book."

If you disagree with the call, then you simply don't know baseball.

This is hilarious. Read the ACTUAL rule (LINK)

10.06

A base hit shall not be scored in the following cases:

(a) When a runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error;

(b) When the batter apparently hits safely and a runner who is forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner fails to touch the first base to which he is advancing and is called out on appeal. Charge the batter with a time at bat but no hit;

© When the pitcher, the catcher or any infielder handles a batted ball and puts out a preceding runner who is attempting to advance one base or to return to his original base, or would have put out such runner with ordinary effort except for a fielding error. Charge the batter with a time at bat but no hit;

(d) When a fielder fails in an attempt to put out a preceding runner, and in the scorer’s judgment the batter-runner could have been put out at first base.

NOTE: This shall not apply if the fielder merely looks toward or feints toward another base before attempting to make the putout at first base;

(e) When a runner is called out for interference with a fielder attempting to field a batted ball, unless in the scorer’s judgment the batter-runner would have been safe had the interference not occurred.

You did catch the not in there, right? So the scorer misread the rulebook.

 

[crewmember]

If your gonna protest the streak, a better case then the wednesday's night hit is this from mlb.com

6.03

The batter's legal position shall be with both feet within the batter's box.

APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter's box.

6.06

A batter is out for illegal action when --

(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter’s box.

Rule 6.06(a) Comment: If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter’s box, he shall be called out. Umpires should pay particular attention to the position of the batter’s feet if he attempts to hit the ball while he is being intentionally passed. A batter cannot jump or step out of the batter’s box and hit the ball.

Chase keeps his whole left foot beyond the white line

Say what you will about Barry Bond's but atleast the man kept his feet in the box

 

[The Jerk]

If your gonna protest the streak, a better case then the wednesday's night hit is this from mlb.com6.03The batter's legal position shall be with both feet within the batter's box. APPROVED RULING: The lines defining the box are within the batter's box. 6.06A batter is out for illegal action when --(a) He hits a ball with one or both feet on the ground entirely outside the batter’s box.Rule 6.06(a) Comment: If a batter hits a ball fair or foul while out of the batter’s box, he shall be called out. Umpires should pay particular attention to the position of the batter’s feet if he attempts to hit the ball while he is being intentionally passed. A batter cannot jump or step out of the batter’s box and hit the ball.Chase keeps his whole left foot beyond the white lineSay what you will about Barry Bond's but atleast the man kept his feet in the box

I'm not protesting the streak. I just find it amusing that the official scorer called the first one a "hit" by apparently misapplying the rulebook. The second hit, however, was clearly a hit even if it was possible for a Major League shortstop to make the play. That's not the standard.As for the batter's box, I don't know about Chase. However, I do know that one of my jobs as a leadoff hitter was to do my best to destroy the back of the batter's box for the power hitters coming up behind me. Part of the game. If the umpire cannot or will not enforce this rule, it's not Utley's fault.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

clean hit.

Seahawk fans will argue that both of those hits were errors. The official scorekeeper probably grew up in Philadelphia. It's a conspiracy by MLB to sell more merchanidse.

Are you still bitter that 90% of America felt that the Superbowl was served up to the Steelers by the officials. Get over it, you won the Superbowl.