KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
The fact that you are getting onto people for "being too quick to overreact" and here you are overreacting to a .500 season from the Browns.On a related note, does Matt Millen deserve an apology also?
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Footballguy
Don't think anyone owes either of these guys an apology, they are paid BIG bucks to win in the NFL, not for playing 500 or less football. Fans have a right to voice their opinions when these guys underperform, it goes with the job. If they don't want the job or like the heat, no problem finding someone to take their place.
So what if Crennel "lucked" into his situation? You think Belichick didn't luck into his current situation? If he knew Brady was so good, why the hell did he let Brady fall all the way to the 6th, and why didn't he give him a shot until Bledsoe went down? Are you suggesting that Belichick somehow doesn't deserve the accolades he gets, either?Another coach who deserves a big apology is Jack Del Rio. He got LAMBASTED for cutting Leftwich in favor of Garrard, but Garrard's actually looked really, really good this season. Just another nice reminder that NFL coaches are smarter than we are.Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities. Now DA has looked like a Pro-Bowler (Ok...I'm stretching it here) and you wanna shower Crennel with accolades? Hell no! Crennel is still clueless and even still doesn't know what he has with his team. If he knew what he had in DA, why trade up to get Quinn? He already had DA, Frye, and Dorsey. I can understand the Joe Thomas pick. But now he traded away a high first rounder in '08 for a QB (Quinn) he may not have even needed!He's a lost puppy that needs to go back to being a DC. You don't start the pre-season the way he did if you have any clue what you're doing.
DarabZarrabi
Footballguy
Bellicheat has established himself as a great coach, the Brady comparison is stupid...Crennel is obviously in over his head he freaking flipped a coin to determine who was going to start the first preseason game, he handled the qb situation VERY VERY poorly...he's been there for a few years and he really hasn't done anything...isn't he supposed to be a great defensive mind (or was it Bellicheks scheming that made him look so good, because I am pretty sure his team is awful on defense. His OC was a joke last year and Crennel didnt make any adjustments...this team is where it is right now because of Savage's GM work and the OC who realized that he should play to his teams strengths (Winslow, and Braylon). Coughlin I dont have as much to say about, because the knock on him was that he was too much of an oldschool hardass, but anyone that can look at Crennel and think that he suddenly made some type of coachin jump is blind.So what if Crennel "lucked" into his situation? You think Belichick didn't luck into his current situation? If he knew Brady was so good, why the hell did he let Brady fall all the way to the 6th, and why didn't he give him a shot until Bledsoe went down? Are you suggesting that Belichick somehow doesn't deserve the accolades he gets, either?Another coach who deserves a big apology is Jack Del Rio. He got LAMBASTED for cutting Leftwich in favor of Garrard, but Garrard's actually looked really, really good this season. Just another nice reminder that NFL coaches are smarter than we are.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
.500 season? The Giants by many are now picked as the best team in the NFC and Cleveland is poised and hoping for something now beyond a .500 season. That's a good question about Millen. You could only imagine the bashing he's taken whether it be on these boards, the newspapers or even just a group of 10 guys tailgaiting outside Ford Field with beers wishing he was there to poor them on him.
However, I will say it looks like the Ernie Simms pick may be good as he's looked awfully solid this season. The signing of Marinelli looks so far like it's solid.
So, I'm not sure if he deserves an apology because he did make some mistakes and he's opened his mouth when he shouldn't have in the past.
But we'll see. It is his first time being a GM, relatively young for the position. Is it possible he's learning on the job and making some improvements, yes.
Start a thread on it and maybe I will
bcr8f
Footballguy
That's uninformed. He wanted one of his QB's tp step up and player better than the other but it never happened. Anderson didn't show anything until he got in the real games. He didn't step up in PS.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
You might want to look at what you're responding to and rethink your answer here.
He lucked into his situation in the sense that they drafted a stud left tackle and signed a pro bowl left guard to give Derek Anderson all day to throw with a clean jersey on and play to his strengths in picking defenses apart. The Browns made their own luck.Crennel has "lucked" into his situation.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Fair enough, but don't want to be accused for bumping it EVERY week.No lack of respect to the Giants, I just think Dallas is a better football team at this point. The lack of a deep threat at this point in time really hurt the Giants last week. No way is Plaxico Buress playing at the same level he did the first month or so of this season. The Dallas D is also playing a little better than early on, largely due to some people getting healthy so I think although the Giants are certainly disappointed in the loss, it's nothing to be ashamed of.They have a HUGE game in Detroit this week. Detroit's undefeated at home this season and need a victory badly. The head to head victory here could mean all the difference in the world after week 17.Cleveland lost by 3 points, missed a field goal to tie. I saw them play Pittsburgh Week 1 and this team looks miles better than they did just a 1/2 a season ago. Cleveland is a dangerous team and if they were in the NFC, I think they'd definately be in the top 3 teams and someone I wouldn't want Dallas to play early on. I do think a timeout was wasted in the game but I thought Cleveland played pretty well against a very good football team.
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Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Interesting topic.Too many times the hype about coach or a player are blown way out of proportion. Take Joe (who I respect) Bryant, who kept harping on how bad the Giants would be and many others were blaming TC. I am on record stating that Coughlin has some tough ways, but the issue is not Coughlin, the issue is the players. Tiki undermined Coughlin and didn't want to work like the other players. Tiki didn't show respect and he looks like a fool now and when he talks about it. Tiki and even Strahan were real a-holes last year.I will say this, Coughlin knows the game and knows it real well. I have never heard a coach discuss a game and give you what was going through his mind during his decisions and have a perfect understanding of what went into making the decision. I am rarely impressed with coaches when I listen to them, but TC has my respect. He has even understood to change his ways a little.Now I am not saying I love Coughlin, but he is a decent coach who knows the game. Maybe he would be better as a coordinator or assistant coach, but he knows the game better than most coaches IMO.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
The lack of speed on the Giants team is very noticeable. Toomer is slow and Plax with his ankle is slow. While Jacobs is fast at top speed he is not quick. The only guy who has quickness on the Giants in Sinorice Moss and he gets tackled when you blow on him. The Giants are a decent team, but the Cowboys are better. The Giants really need Steve Smith back to open up the offense a little more.That being said, I though the difference in the game was the Dallas OL giving Romo time as the Giants couldn't touch Romo when rushing 4, but the Cowboys were pestering Eli with 4 guys all day.
Pnishthm
Footballguy
Actually, Seattle just picked the wrong QB. The Hawks were offered EITHER Frye or Anderson and they chose Frye.He didn't think DA was a bum or he would have traded him and not Frye. He picked the correct QB to get rid of.Frye was a reasonably high draft pick. QB's can often develop late and even though he may not have been happy with Frye in preseason, he still knows preseason is just like a scrimmage. He wanted to see what Frye had in a game situation this year so he started him. He saw all he needed, benched him and then started Anderson since. He made a nice trade and got something for Frye instead of letting him rot on the bench. Trading Frye away shows me just how much confidence he actually had in Anderson.
Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities.
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Why would anyone owe an apology to a guy who couldn't recognize that his best QB was 3rd on the depth chart, and that his worst QB was in the starting lineup?
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Link?Actually, Seattle just picked the wrong QB. The Hawks were offered EITHER Frye or Anderson and they chose Frye.He didn't think DA was a bum or he would have traded him and not Frye. He picked the correct QB to get rid of.Frye was a reasonably high draft pick. QB's can often develop late and even though he may not have been happy with Frye in preseason, he still knows preseason is just like a scrimmage. He wanted to see what Frye had in a game situation this year so he started him. He saw all he needed, benched him and then started Anderson since. He made a nice trade and got something for Frye instead of letting him rot on the bench. Trading Frye away shows me just how much confidence he actually had in Anderson.
Crennel has "lucked" into his situation. He too thought DA was a bum...or he wouldn't have given Frye so many opportunities.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Sorry Romeo, I should never have doubted you.
Coughlin, you're still a piece of garbage.
Coughlin, you're still a piece of garbage.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
You impressed after last night?Under Crennel, the Browns started 2-2 in 2005. They finished 6-10.Under Crennel, the Browns started 1-3 in 2006 (and they lost one of those on a last second field goal). They finished 4-12.Under Coughlin, the Giants started 2-2 in 2006. They finished 8-8.Under Coughlin, the Giants started 3-1 in 2004. They finished 6-10.Consider me unimpressed.You have not seen the light I see.BTW, I think you're in the minority if people are honost about Cleveland being .500 at this point. There was talk about them not winning a game after week 1. You act like you expected them to be .500 after that first game loss and the hysteria around the QB situation, gratz on seeing thru that, you know your stuff.Yeah, nothing like a .500 record to prove your detractors wrong....
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Bump after the coach put on the greatest SB win ever.
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CA_7
Footballguy
Sorry Tom (and Eli)Go Giants!!!!Coughlin,Thanks for making it that much easier for our best player to retire early.Sincerely,Bitter Giants Fan
H.K.
Footballguy
Why didn't you bump post #43 of this thread?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Here you go......
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Still no apology deserved from Crennel detractors.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Really, I thought Cleveland ended up a lot better than what people expected, especially after 2 weeks the this year's NFL season.Dallas fans know how good of a season Cleveland had because the draft pick we're getting from them this year isn't nearly as juicy as we were hoping for.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I don't think anyone deserves an apology for one good season.
Koya
Footballguy
Tom - THANK YOU. This was the greatest win in my sporting life, and I have been fortunate to have a couple great ones before (Mets in 86, Giants in 90). It started when we went all out against the Pats. I didnt love that call. Thank god you proved me more wrong than I could have ever dreamed.
Jerry Reese - THANK YOU. Your perspective has been fantastic this year. Not afraid to call out your QB when he needed a little kick in the pants during the season. An unbelievable first draft that provided Boss and Ross and without whom we would not be celebrating today.
Ernie Accorsi - THANK YOU. There is no such thing as paying too much for a player when that player becomes a Super Bowl and the Playoff MVP. Take Rivers, Merriman, a kicker - you picked a guy who picked up his game when it was needed most, week after week outplaying Pro Bowl Garcia, Pro Bowl and new "top 5" QB Romo, Pro Bowl and top 10 ever Favre and one of the greatest to ever play in Brady. That's one hell of a month of football.
Jerry Reese - THANK YOU. Your perspective has been fantastic this year. Not afraid to call out your QB when he needed a little kick in the pants during the season. An unbelievable first draft that provided Boss and Ross and without whom we would not be celebrating today.
Ernie Accorsi - THANK YOU. There is no such thing as paying too much for a player when that player becomes a Super Bowl and the Playoff MVP. Take Rivers, Merriman, a kicker - you picked a guy who picked up his game when it was needed most, week after week outplaying Pro Bowl Garcia, Pro Bowl and new "top 5" QB Romo, Pro Bowl and top 10 ever Favre and one of the greatest to ever play in Brady. That's one hell of a month of football.
I was on board with Crennel the whole time, but I thought Coughlin should have been fired at the end of last season. My apologies.
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