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*** Chicago Cubs 2011 World Champions Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Settle down Cub fans - I think you might have actually won this trade - there is supposedly a minor league OF and a minor league pitcher included with Garza for your five prospects.....IF Fernando Perez is the OF I think you are ahead in this deal. Only Archer (and young pitching prospects have a % of not making it to the majors) might be missed. As someone said earlier you didn't give up Jackson who many of us view as your real best minor league player.

And I think Hendry was right to pull this deal off now and add a good SP so the Cubs would increase their chances of competing in the Central from Day one

 
Perez is not a major-league player. Think Joey Gathright with less speed.

But Garza should be reliable for them for quite a few years.

 
Here is a reveiw of the trade from Jeff Sullivan of SBNation.com

"Update: Matt Garza Trade Includes A Number Of Interesting Prospects

The Cubs and Rays have reportedly agreed to a Matt Garza trade that will send the righty to Chicago. It isn't official yet, but it should be by Saturday, and the 27-year-old starter will take his act to the National League, where he'll join Carlos Zambrano and Ryan Dempster at the front of the rotation. Meanwhile, for Tampa Bay, top prospect Jeremy Hellickson should slide right into the Rays' rotation, replacing Garza with ease.

But this isn't just any trade - this is reportedly a trade involving eight players. So it's worth touching briefly on the rest of the players involved.

The Rays are sending two guys to the Cubs along with Garza. One is a minor league pitcher of unknown identity, but the other is outfielder Fernando Perez. Perez is a speedy 27-year-old who struggled badly with AAA Durham a year ago following 2009 wrist surgery. However, he's shown the ability to hit for average in the past, and he's capable of covering a lot of ground in the field and stealing a base at the drop of a hat. He's a good candidate for a fourth outfielder spot.

Headed from the Cubs to the Rays are five different players. In no particular order:

Chris Archer is a 22-year-old righty starter who excelled in both advanced-A and AA ball last season. He has a mid-90s fastball and a sharp slider, and was rated by Baseball America as the Cubs' best prospect. He's not a sure thing, but he could develop into a starter or a power closer.

Brandon Guyer is a soon-to-be 25-year-old outfielder who batted .344 with AA Tennessee last season with a .986 OPS. He was the Cubs' minor league player of the year, and while old for his level, he runs well and there's obvious potential in his bat.

Robinson Chirinos is a 26-year-old catcher with power and a strong defensive skillset. Between AA and AAA last year, he batted .326 with a .999 OPS while throwing out 32% of would-be base-stealers. He walked more often than he struck out.

Hak-Ju Lee is a 20-year-old shortstop who spent last year with A-ball Peoria. Baseball America ranked him as the organization's #4 prospect, but he's a long ways off.

Sam Fuld is a 29-year-old outfielder who's struggled with injuries and inconsistency. He has had moderate success over a brief Major League career, but he's more along the lines of a fourth outfielder.

So that's the return for the Rays. It isn't a mind-blowing package, but there's a lot of talent there, and Garza shouldn't be much of a loss given the resources the organization has to replace him.

 
Premier said:
Captain Hook said:
pantagrapher said:
Cubs selling the farm to get Garza from the Rays. What the #### are they thinking?
Selling the Farm?? really? The five prospects they are giving up might never play for the Rays - they didn't give up any of their top guysArcher is the only one I see with a good shot and the Rays are already very deep in pitching so even that is a maybe
None of their top prospects?? Archer is ranked #1 by Baseball America.
The Cubs system isn't exactly loaded, but it'll be a lot less after the trade.I think the Greinke trade is a good point of reference. Greinke>>Garza but the extra cost-controlled year for Garza closes the gap. The Royals got three MLB ready players and the Brewers' #1 prospect. I don't think the deal is necessarily that bad for the Cubs.
The Marcum/Lawrie trade is another point of comparison.Garza is worth more than Marcum, I would think because he's younger, more controllable, better mechanics and less injury history (though Marcum has slightly better career numbers). None of the prospects the Rays are getting are as good as Lawrie.... but Lawrie is all the Jays got, and the Rays are getting 4 (but adding in 2 more)...
 
Right handed starters, middle infielders, and athletic outfielders were the strength of the Cubs organization. Garza has been a good AL East starter for 3 years, will be 27 this year, and is under control through 2013. Guyer was a great 25 year old AA hitter and will be nothing more than an average outfielder. Lee has a long way to go and with almost no power and a high K rate, he doesn't have a lot of room for error in his development. It wouldn't stun me if all the players the Cubs traded become AAAA players. But Archer and Lee do have potential to be solid regulars. The Cubs still have a collection of electric arms from the right side developing as starters.

 
Keith Law liked it for both teams. Seemed surprised at the Rays haul.
I think it's a win/win. No way the Rays would be able to keep Garza, so they get some nice prospects in return. And Hellickson many will argue is better than Garza right now.And the Cubs get a workhorse who is playoff tested.
 
Keith Law liked it for both teams. Seemed surprised at the Rays haul.
I think it's a win/win. No way the Rays would be able to keep Garza, so they get some nice prospects in return. And Hellickson many will argue is better than Garza right now.And the Cubs get a workhorse who is playoff tested.
I actually think they could have kept him. 6M isn't necessarily prohibitive, even for them. Didn't make sense though with Hellickson there. The money can now be allocated to a DH.
 
Keith Law liked it for both teams. Seemed surprised at the Rays haul.
I think it's a win/win. No way the Rays would be able to keep Garza, so they get some nice prospects in return. And Hellickson many will argue is better than Garza right now.And the Cubs get a workhorse who is playoff tested.
:shock: :lmao: :lmao:
The way my page loaded, all i saw was the :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: and I had to scroll up to see who posted it. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
Sources: Cubs trade Tom GorzelannyBy Bruce LevineESPNChicago.comCHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs have traded left-handed pitcher Tom Gorzelanny to the Washington Nationals for three minor league prospects -- two pitchers and an outfielder, according to two major league sources.The trade is pending a physical that Gorzelanny is expected to take on Tuesday.The Cubs felt it was necessary to make this move because of payroll constraints, and they felt comfortable with their depth on the pitching staff after acquiring starter Matt Garza from the Rays.The move leaves the Cubs without a starting left-handed pitcher, although they've discussed moving reliever James Russell into a rotation spot.Gorzelanny was 7-9 with a 4.09 ERA last season.
 
The Chicago Cubs agreed to terms with fifth-round draft pick Matt Szczur on a $1.4 million contract, according to a major league source.The deal was designed to keep Szczur, who was a wide receiver at Villanova, from pursuing an NFL career.Szczur, a 5-11, 205-pound outfielder, received a $100,000 bonus from the Cubs when he originally signed with the team in June. The Cubs gave him permission to return to Villanova for his senior year, but he missed much of the season with a high ankle sprain.He played for three different minor league teams in the Cubs system, and began his professional career with a 21-game hitting streak.Szczur is a center fielder by trade and bats right-handed. He's considered exceptionally fast, and he projects as one of the fastest players in the Cubs organization.He hit .347 in 25 minor league games.An MLB source said Szczur will start the season in Single A Peoria in 2011.The signing was first reported by Baseball America.
 
Sources: Cubs trade Tom GorzelannyBy Bruce LevineESPNChicago.comCHICAGO -- The Chicago Cubs have traded left-handed pitcher Tom Gorzelanny to the Washington Nationals for three minor league prospects -- two pitchers and an outfielder, according to two major league sources.The trade is pending a physical that Gorzelanny is expected to take on Tuesday.The Cubs felt it was necessary to make this move because of payroll constraints, and they felt comfortable with their depth on the pitching staff after acquiring starter Matt Garza from the Rays.The move leaves the Cubs without a starting left-handed pitcher, although they've discussed moving reliever James Russell into a rotation spot.Gorzelanny was 7-9 with a 4.09 ERA last season.
Good for Gorz. Thought he got a raw deal in Chicago."First the good news. You're going to get the ball every fifth day as a starter...."
 
Tom Skilling's Facebook update

5" down Midway Airport-Frank Wachowski reporting 0 visibility there within the hour. It's 20 to 1 ratio snow--very fluffy! Gusts there 53 mph. Pieces of Wrigley Field's roof blowing off in wind. 3.5 ft. drifts Tinley Park, 2 ft drifts Plainfield. 10" down west-central IL near Abingdon in Knox Couty. 64 mph gusts Roanoke near Peoria.
;) What a ####### dump :lmao:

 
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I'm just glad that they're back to losing. I didn't know what to do with myself when they were fielding competitive teams. At least the Cardinals are going to suck too.

 
I'm just glad that they're back to losing. I didn't know what to do with myself when they were fielding competitive teams. At least the Cardinals are going to suck too.
How will the Cardinals suck? Who is the powerhouse team that is going to blow away the competition? The Reds are probably the favorites but the Cardinals should be in the running until the very end.
 
'Dr. Awesome said:
I'm just glad that they're back to losing. I didn't know what to do with myself when they were fielding competitive teams. At least the Cardinals are going to suck too.
How will the Cardinals suck? Who is the powerhouse team that is going to blow away the competition? The Reds are probably the favorites but the Cardinals should be in the running until the very end.
Not even. Especially with the news that Wainwright might need TJ surgery. This is Milwaukee and Cincinnati's division, and everyone else is just living in it.
 
'Dr. Awesome said:
I'm just glad that they're back to losing. I didn't know what to do with myself when they were fielding competitive teams. At least the Cardinals are going to suck too.
How will the Cardinals suck? Who is the powerhouse team that is going to blow away the competition? The Reds are probably the favorites but the Cardinals should be in the running until the very end.
Not even. Especially with the news that Wainwright might need TJ surgery. This is Milwaukee and Cincinnati's division, and everyone else is just living in it.
And you knew this yesterday <_<

 
Anyone else read that story about what someone did in the Cubs dugout when Dusty Baker was still managing?

I know he wasn't popular, but c'mon man.

 
Anyone else read that story about what someone did in the Cubs dugout when Dusty Baker was still managing?I know he wasn't popular, but c'mon man.
I had to google the story as I had no idea what you were talking about. And :goodposting: So happy I found this story.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day," Baker said Monday morning. "That was the low point. The grounds crew guy cleaned it up. He said, ‘Oh, I think it's dog crap.' I said, ‘No it ain't. That's human crap.'" Baker said Monday's interview was the first time he had discussed the incident publicly. He doesn't know who the perpetrator was.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:Reminds me of that Always Sunny episode.
 
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I'm just glad that they're back to losing. I didn't know what to do with myself when they were fielding competitive teams. At least the Cardinals are going to suck too.
How will the Cardinals suck? Who is the powerhouse team that is going to blow away the competition? The Reds are probably the favorites but the Cardinals should be in the running until the very end.
Not even. Especially with the news that Wainwright might need TJ surgery. This is Milwaukee and Cincinnati's division, and everyone else is just living in it.
And you knew this yesterday :lmao:
Um, no. I said "especially." But my Cardinals prediction does include a Carpenter injury. So I guess it's close.Edit: I'm joking, but seriously. STL has a weak offense save Pujols. And a staff that was based around Carpenter who is always hurt and the then healthy, although awesome, Wainwright. I don't think it was too much to think that the pitching staff wouldn't be able to carry them past 3rd place in the division even with a healthy Wainwright to start the season.

 
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Anyone else read that story about what someone did in the Cubs dugout when Dusty Baker was still managing?I know he wasn't popular, but c'mon man.
I had to google the story as I had no idea what you were talking about. And :kicksrock: So happy I found this story.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day," Baker said Monday morning. "That was the low point. The grounds crew guy cleaned it up. He said, ‘Oh, I think it's dog crap.' I said, ‘No it ain't. That's human crap.'" Baker said Monday's interview was the first time he had discussed the incident publicly. He doesn't know who the perpetrator was.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:Reminds me of that Always Sunny episode.
There should really be a search to find the mystery ####ter. I blame Todd Zeile. Or Moises Alou. He was already pissing everywhere.
 
What? A guy in the Cubs thread is trying to bring the Cardinals down with his pathetic franchise? I'm shocked!

 
Anyone else read that story about what someone did in the Cubs dugout when Dusty Baker was still managing?I know he wasn't popular, but c'mon man.
I had to google the story as I had no idea what you were talking about. And :coffee: So happy I found this story.
"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day," Baker said Monday morning. "That was the low point. The grounds crew guy cleaned it up. He said, ‘Oh, I think it's dog crap.' I said, ‘No it ain't. That's human crap.'" Baker said Monday's interview was the first time he had discussed the incident publicly. He doesn't know who the perpetrator was.
:P :lmao: :lmao:Reminds me of that Always Sunny episode.
There should really be a search to find the mystery ####ter. I blame Todd Zeile. Or Moises Alou. He was already pissing everywhere.
My vote is for Steve Stone
 
Chicago Cubs closer Carlos Marmol believes his team's bullpen has the potential to be among the best in baseball."We are the best," Marmol said. Depending on whether Andrew Cashner is a starter or reliever, the Cubs could line up with John Grabow and Sean Marshall setting up from the left side, and Kerry Wood and Cashner from the right side."The Padres 'pen was better than any other team's last year," Marshall said. "You had Mike Adams and Luke Gregerson coming out, and bam-bam, the seventh and eighth innings were sealed up. Then they closed it out with Heath Bell to finish the game off."Marshall and company hope to save the rotation pitchers some wear and tear."If we can do something like that, save our starters from throwing 120 pitches, and pitching into the eighth inning, grinding it out every time out, we're going to have a stronger staff all the way around," Marshall said.The Cubs' bullpen was solid in the last third of the 2010 season as Cashner and lefty James Russell gained confidence."That's one of our goals this year, to really close the door, like we did late last season," Marshall said. "We don't want to give the opponents any chance at all to come back."Marmol saved more than half of the team's games last season while setting a major league record for strikeouts per nine innings for a reliever at 15.99."We have Sean and Grabow as well as the young guys," Marmol said. "And now we have Kerry Wood back. We feel very confident."With two rotation spots open, the relievers will probably be on call early and often in the spring, as the starters round into shape.Marmol doesn't worry about pressure in his role."I don't think about anything much," Marmol said. "I go out there, get my three or four outs, help the team win, go into the clubhouse, put my headphones on and go home."Wood, who returns to the Cubs after spending two years in the American League, learned a lot from setting up New York Yankees closer Mariano Rivera during the last two months of the 2010 season."He has not one worry in the world when he goes out there," Wood said. "He just uses one pitch [cut fastball]. It's amazing. The whole bullpen was like that. It was totally stress-free when the bullpen phone rang."Wood is expected to be a calming influence in the clubhouse and in the bullpen. He attributes his success to originally watching former teammate Bob Howry."I watched Bob go about his business," Wood said. "He prepared and acted the same way if he did well or got his butt kicked. He was the same guy every day, good, bad or ugly. I try to make that my approach."Jeff Samardzija and Russell may have a leg up on the rest of the staff to complete the seven-man relief corps. Russell showed quality at the end of last season and Samardzija is out of options.Cashner and Russell will get stretched out with a chance to make the starting rotation.Can the Cubs really have a better bullpen than the 2010 Padres?"That's a heck of a goal," Cubs manager Mike Quade said. "I haven't stopped to think about that. I haven't stopped to think if we'll be that good. If it is, we're really going to have a good year."
I'm also crossing my fingers that Angel Guzman can come back to his electric 2009 form. The bullpen looks like a major strength for this team. DempsterGarzaZambranoSilva/Wells?(unknown)Baker/DeWittCastroByrdRamirezPenaSorianoColvin/####udomeSotoIt doesn't really look too terrible on paper. They'll probably lead the NL in strikeouts by a mile, but what's new? At least there's some power there. The pitching should be sufficient enough to at least keep them in games. I'm excited to have Kerry back. It was nice in 2008 when he and Marmol completely shut down the 8th and 9th. If the starters get through the 6th with leads the Cubs will have a shot at winning more than they lose. :kicksrock:
 
I'm also crossing my fingers that Angel Guzman can come back to his electric 2009 form. The bullpen looks like a major strength for this team. DempsterGarzaZambranoSilva/Wells?(unknown)Baker/DeWittCastroByrdRamirezPenaSorianoColvin/####udomeSotoIt doesn't really look too terrible on paper. They'll probably lead the NL in strikeouts by a mile, but what's new? At least there's some power there. The pitching should be sufficient enough to at least keep them in games. I'm excited to have Kerry back. It was nice in 2008 when he and Marmol completely shut down the 8th and 9th. If the starters get through the 6th with leads the Cubs will have a shot at winning more than they lose. :excited:
I think the pitching will be a strength this year. They don't have a #1 starter but have three #2/#3 starters if Zambrano can just have a typical season. Wells is a solid #4 and deserves that job. Coleman, SIlva, or Cashner will the #5 and should provide enough solid innings there.Most likely Cashner joins that bullpen that could be lights out with Wood/Marshall setting up Marmol. The depth with Cashner/Grabow is impressive. Guzman can't be counted on but would be nice icing on the cake.As for the offense, who knows. Offensively, the outfielders are probably all the same impact wise with Colvin having some upside (a lite version of past Soriano without speed). Ramirez and Pena need to bounce back. Soto, if fit, needs to hit in the middle of the order. He is the Cubs best hitter. I think Castro will be a offensive stud in his prime but the leap at bat and in the field might not be seen this year. Like last year, a ton of questions. I am thinking a near .500 season with a possible push into the upper 80's if everything falls into place (or into the 70's again if another implosion). The Central should be tough at the top though.
 
I'm also crossing my fingers that Angel Guzman can come back to his electric 2009 form. The bullpen looks like a major strength for this team.

Dempster

Garza

Zambrano

Silva/Wells?

(unknown)

Baker/DeWitt

Castro

Byrd

Ramirez

Pena

Soriano

Colvin/####udome

Soto

It doesn't really look too terrible on paper. They'll probably lead the NL in strikeouts by a mile, but what's new? At least there's some power there.

The pitching should be sufficient enough to at least keep them in games. I'm excited to have Kerry back. It was nice in 2008 when he and Marmol completely shut down the 8th and 9th. If the starters get through the 6th with leads the Cubs will have a shot at winning more than they lose. :confused:
I think the pitching will be a strength this year. They don't have a #1 starter but have three #2/#3 starters if Zambrano can just have a typical season. Wells is a solid #4 and deserves that job. Coleman, SIlva, or Cashner will the #5 and should provide enough solid innings there.Most likely Cashner joins that bullpen that could be lights out with Wood/Marshall setting up Marmol. The depth with Cashner/Grabow is impressive. Guzman can't be counted on but would be nice icing on the cake.

As for the offense, who knows. Offensively, the outfielders are probably all the same impact wise with Colvin having some upside (a lite version of past Soriano without speed). Ramirez and Pena need to bounce back. Soto, if fit, needs to hit in the middle of the order. He is the Cubs best hitter. I think Castro will be a offensive stud in his prime but the leap at bat and in the field might not be seen this year. Like last year, a ton of questions.

I am thinking a near .500 season with a possible push into the upper 80's if everything falls into place (or into the 70's again if another implosion). The Central should be tough at the top though.
I agree with all your points except that. Aramis is the Cubs best hitter. Struggled last year and dealt with some injuries. I like Soto and like his bat, but I don't think this is even close. Can't see how Wells won't be in the rotation. No thanks with Coleman or Silva. Not sure what I would like Cashner to do. Has electric stuff and I think the bullpen is good enough. Kind of hoping he is in the rotation, but either way he is going to be a good one.

Hopefully Bryd can drive in some more runs and hit for more than 12 home runs. I am not as high on Colvin as a lot of people, but he doesn't suck. I Like him better than ####odome. Looking for Castro to make some strides.

 
Aramis and Soto are similar hitters. Both go all out early in the count and then shorten up. I think Ramirez was a huge influence on Soto and I believe he could rebound in a 850+ OPS type of way. However, Soto has turned into a 380 OBP guy who would hit 25+ HR full time. To me that is a step ahead of the best of Aramis right now.

 
Carlos Pena looks and sounds like he's in midseason form:

MESA, Ariz. — It may have been a meaningless exhibition game, but the Brewers used an infield shift when left-handed-hitting Carlos Pena came to the plate Monday, putting the shortstop behind second base."I hit a bullet up the middle, and I'm running to first base, and then I was like, 'Whoa, where did that guy come from?' " Pena said.Opposing teams used the shift on Pena the last few years in the American League, but seldom in spring training games. Pena said he doesn't try to "beat the shift" by going to left field, preferring to stick to his game plan."You have to be willing to 'sacrifice' a couple of hits here or there for the greater good, for the long haul," he said. "That's not always easy to do."
Where did he come from?! You didn't notice he moved when you stepped in the batter's box?! We're sacrificing hits for the greater good now? I don't think this guy understands how to help a team win baseball games. Be prepared to be even more frustrated than usual Cubs' fans. This lineup is going to lead the universe in strikeouts and runners left on base.
 
No news on who was involved, but Silva is fighting for a rotation spot and 3 errors were made in the inning. Along with 2 bombs. We can figure out most of it from there. I have no problem with a little scuffle or arguing once in awhile. It happens.
It seems to happen to the Cubs a LOT more than other teams. It's one thing if the team is fighting amongst themselves but somehow channels that energy into wins. This team seems to implode regularly.
 
No news on who was involved, but Silva is fighting for a rotation spot and 3 errors were made in the inning. Along with 2 bombs. We can figure out most of it from there. I have no problem with a little scuffle or arguing once in awhile. It happens.
It seems to happen to the Cubs a LOT more than other teams. It's one thing if the team is fighting amongst themselves but somehow channels that energy into wins. This team seems to implode regularly.
How so? Zambrano with Michael Barrett a few years ago and Z with D. Lee last year. Can't think of anymore. That's A LOT? Aramis dropped a fly ball and he got into it with Silva. Quade says there will be no punishment for anyone involved.

Again Silva is fighting for a spot in the rotation and he was frustrated with the errors. It happens.

 
No news on who was involved, but Silva is fighting for a rotation spot and 3 errors were made in the inning. Along with 2 bombs. We can figure out most of it from there. I have no problem with a little scuffle or arguing once in awhile. It happens.
It seems to happen to the Cubs a LOT more than other teams. It's one thing if the team is fighting amongst themselves but somehow channels that energy into wins. This team seems to implode regularly.
How so? Zambrano with Michael Barrett a few years ago and Z with D. Lee last year. Can't think of anymore. That's A LOT? Aramis dropped a fly ball and he got into it with Silva. Quade says there will be no punishment for anyone involved.

Again Silva is fighting for a spot in the rotation and he was frustrated with the errors. It happens.
Z v Gatorade dispenserMilton Bradley v Piniella

Dempster v the dugout rail

 
And the poop. Don't forget the poop.
Oh, so we are talking about all blow-ups, not just fights between teammates. I am not going to research every single team and pick out each moment frustration is caught on tape or written about. If you think it happens a lot more than other teams, then so be it. Poop? You're going to believe this from Dusty Baker? This story is such bull. The guy talks, just to talk and makes zero sense half the time.
 
And the poop. Don't forget the poop.
Oh, so we are talking about all blow-ups, not just fights between teammates. I am not going to research every single team and pick out each moment frustration is caught on tape or written about. If you think it happens a lot more than other teams, then so be it. Poop? You're going to believe this from Dusty Baker? This story is such bull. The guy talks, just to talk and makes zero sense half the time.
The poop statement was more of a joke. That story amuses me a great deal.I'm fairly certain the Cubs as a team have had more in house fights than entire divisions. That doesn't mean a team can't win (A's of yesteryear come to mind). But if the Cubs aren't at the top of the list they're certainly close.
 

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