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Chicago domino effect: OLine-Cutler-Marshall (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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I am not going to blast the entire Chicago team although I feel they are not as good as that record might indicate. But let's focus on something else. The OLine is not that good, pass protection is shaky...Webb and Carimi at the Tackles have allowed 40 QB rushes alone For the season he has absorbed 69 QB hurries, 26 sacks, and another 14 big hits. At any time Cutler could go down. He already is Jekyll and Hyde at QB, 1 quarter he is 1 out of 6 for 3 yds, the next he is tossing a couple TDs. I don't care about Cutler's output all that much, most know he is not a QB1 in FF, but I do worry about Brandon Marshall who is having a great season but if Cutler takes a big hit, busted ribs or worse, misses 3-4 games down the stretch as he has done, the impact on Marshall could be huge.

Has anyone even thought of moving Marshall in redraft leagues?

 
You make a good point, but Marshall is the kind of guy who can at least be fantasy relevent even with a bad QB. He won't be as dominant, but he will still be good. So, I wouldn't want to trade him, especially in PPR.

 
Marshall has played with some really bad quarterbacks in the past and he's always managed to produce. He might see a drop-off if something happens to Cutler, but I think he'd still put up WR1 numbers. The bad line actually helps Marshall in a lot of situations, because he's basically running TE-like routes a lot of the time.

I'd trade him if the right offer came along, but it would have to be REALLY good.

With that said, he'll probably get injured this week. Last week I said something similar in a Percy Harvin thread, and he immediately had his worst game of the year and got hurt.

 
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It could be Russian Roulette in Chicago

Scrumps asks about Dallas and Green Bay...look I have had to endure Austin when Romo went down, wasn't WR1 numbers but then Austin misses time too. The Packers? When did Rodgers become a flight risk?

 
'solorca said:
I think he'd still put up WR1 numbers.

I'd trade him if the right offer came along, but it would have to be REALLY good.
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-No way he puts up WR1 numbers if...oh that's right they have Jason Campbell now, but still he's not that good, better than some other back ups I agree.-The whole point is you can get a king's ransom for him right now. You could set the trade offer, no need to wait for someone to knock.

 
'tdmills said:
Jason Campbell is the backup...one of the better backups in the NFL. This is a non-issue
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'####. Stay upright Jay, protect yourself at all times' - Brandon Marshall owner.
 
'Ministry of Pain said:
It could be Russian Roulette in ChicagoScrumps asks about Dallas and Green Bay...look I have had to endure Austin when Romo went down, wasn't WR1 numbers but then Austin misses time too. The Packers? When did Rodgers become a flight risk?
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Do you know which QB is leading the league in getting sacked?
Aaron Rodgers
'Ministry of Pain said:
-The whole point is you can get a king's ransom for him right now. You could set the trade offer, no need to wait for someone to knock.
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According to everyone in the Bears organization from Lovie Smith to Cutler to Marshall, the offense is still sputtering. There's just as good a chance they start to click as Cutler getting hurt.
 
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'Ministry of Pain said:
It could be Russian Roulette in ChicagoScrumps asks about Dallas and Green Bay...look I have had to endure Austin when Romo went down, wasn't WR1 numbers but then Austin misses time too. The Packers? When did Rodgers become a flight risk?
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Dallas and Green Bay OL's have been wet tissues. And Rodgers has a concussion history.
 
Cutler and Marshall owner here. The line blows. Scares me as a Cutler owner, but the ####ty OL play helps Marshall. When under fire cutler often only has time to go to is first read, or reads the blitz and audibles a hot read for Marshall.

 
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Jason Campbell is better than at least 10 starting QBs in the league, a marginal drop-off from Cutler. Marshall might drop from WR2 to WR8ish, but nothing to worry about.

 
yes bears OLine is pretty bad, but that doesnt necessarily mean i would run off and trade marshall... i mean at least its not like eagles bad where everyone on the eagles is basically hands off now :shrug:

 
It will be interesting to see when Alshon gets back. They used him to stretch the field some before his injury and I expect that to play out again.

Assuming Cutler has time to hit him downfield of course.

 
'ditka311 said:
It will be interesting to see when Alshon gets back. They used him to stretch the field some before his injury and I expect that to play out again. Assuming Cutler has time to hit him downfield of course.
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I think picking up Jeffery is the move to make now, this week, without wasting waivers.At least thats the case in my leagues. My wire is shot, and right now I think Id rather have Alshon that Taiwan JonesAlso, if you trade Marshall you are extremely stupid.
 
Ok guys. Let's stop bashing the idea of trading off Brandon Marshall. The same thing happened last week in a similar Percy Harvin thread, and now he's injured.

Bad karma!

 
the Bears OL is not great but they have actually been improving (slightly). Don't get me wrong they are still bad but getting slightly better as the season wears on... Rachal over Spencer was an upgrade. They are not a complete disaster like STL, AZ or post-Herremans PHI.

 
'johnnyrock62000 said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Has anyone even thought of moving Marshall in redraft leagues?
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What would you hope to accomplish? Would you really make your team better by trading him? I don't see it.
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You would hope to be ahead of the curve, which most try to be. Problem with that is most of the time you end up with egg on your face and all your leaguemates mocking you....taking away what little manhood you have.
 
'Resident A said:
Jason Campbell is better than at least 10 starting QBs in the league, a marginal drop-off from Cutler. Marshall might drop from WR2 to WR8ish, but nothing to worry about.
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yesno.Campbell is better than some starters and probably the best non-starting QB in the league. However, Cutler's mobility, arm strength and athleticisim make it more than a "marginal" drop-off. Keep in mind what happened when Cutler went down last year (they went 1-5 down the stretch after starting 7-3 with Cutler under center). While Campbell is decent, he will have to play behind that offensive line. If it were Campbell behind a decent offensive line, it might be okay - but it's not. Prayers for Jay's safety sent.

 
I'm not willing to bench Brandon Marshall this weekend, but I am surprised to see that he's consistently ranked in the top 2-3 receivers for the week against a tough Texans defense (I believe I heard that they were the best against other teams top receiver in the NFL). Especially now that the news is coming out that the Texans plan on double-teaming him on every play.

I think there is a decent possibility that we get a repeat of the week 2 Green Bay matchup.

 
'solorca said:
Especially now that the news is coming out that the Texans plan on double-teaming him on every play.
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Ditka said this was smoke and mirrors (coachspeak) on local radio. Cutler says everyone tries to double him anyway and look how thats gone.
 
'Annyong said:
'solorca said:
Especially now that the news is coming out that the Texans plan on double-teaming him on every play.
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Ditka said this was smoke and mirrors (coachspeak) on local radio. Cutler says everyone tries to double him anyway and look how thats gone.
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:goodposting: Also, in other news, the Texans are going to double team Peppers on the other side, and the Bears are going to double JJ. It's not like it's a big secret that Cutler has been trying to get the ball to Marshall. Even if the Texans are all over Marshall early, the Bears will simply let Forte gash them a few times, then the Texans will have to choose between stopping Forte or doubling Marshall consistantly (or give him extra help from the safety). The biggest issue the Bears offense has had is that sometimes it tries to go to Marshall to early - before they have forced the other team to defend the run more. Honestly, If Forte doesn't have north of 20 carries (and 10 by half) then I think Lovie needs to have an intervention with Tice.
 
Seems like Campbell is a big Marshall fan too.

Also, Brandon Marshall is a beast.

 
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'solorca said:
Seems like Campbell is a big Marshall fan too.Also, Brandon Marshall is a beast.
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Not quite how I drew it up but still creepy that this happened. Hard to gauge what would happen if Cutler could not start the next week or two. I expect him to unless there is some lingering conditions. And it wasn't a big sack but a big late hit form the Texans.
 
'Resident A said:
Jason Campbell is better than at least 10 starting QBs in the league, a marginal drop-off from Cutler. Marshall might drop from WR2 to WR8ish, but nothing to worry about.
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Might be the most ludicrous statement in the Shark Pool this year. Jason Campbell stinks. Today, yesterday, and tomorrow.
 
Campbell has been horrendous, but I'm not convinced that Cutler would be doing much better tonight. The offensive line is getting destroyed by the 49ers and this game would likely have been a repeat of the Packers game, regardless of who was under center.

I'm definitely hoping for a Cutler return next week though.

 
Marshall was shut down by the GB double team in week 2 with Cutler at QB. Not saying Cutler doesn't make a difference, but I seem to recall Marshall making a few plays after Culter went down last week. Campbell was able to get him the ball to some degree.

The SF defense deserves some credit here too.

I'm a Marshall owner and am just hoping he gets a few garbage time points tonight.

 
Wouldnt be pleased with this every week, but that TD puts him at 10 pts in my PPR league with the 4th quarter still to play. GO 15!

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
'flapgreen said:
Wonk wonk wonk...
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Thankfully he scored a TD, but 2/20 just won't cut it most weeks. I hope Cutler passes all the tests this week.
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In fairness, he went 5/86 in two quarters with Campbell last week. So through 5 quarters, he's went 7/106/1. That's not too bad.Obviously Cutler is the better option for him...but as I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure that Cutler would have done much more than Campbell in this game. The offensive line is getting destroyed, and this game is a lot like the Green Bay loss where Marshall was also shut down.
 
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'solorca said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
'flapgreen said:
Wonk wonk wonk...
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Thankfully he scored a TD, but 2/20 just won't cut it most weeks. I hope Cutler passes all the tests this week.
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In fairness, he went 5/86 in two quarters with Campbell last week. So through 5 quarters, he's went 7/106/1. That's not too bad.Obviously Cutler is the better option for him...but as I mentioned earlier, I'm not sure that Cutler would have done much more than Campbell in this game. The offensive line is getting destroyed, and this game is a lot like the Green Bay loss where Marshall was also shut down.
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The offensive line is impressively bad... It seems like a lot of teams nowadays have major O-line problems
 
Rodgers: 54 Hits - 32 Sacks

Cutler/Bears QBs: 51 hits - 28 Sacks

Cutler just SUCKS... Bears fans like to think he is great because he is the best they have had in 20,30,40 years but he is very very average and has a game or two where he shows flashes like any startable QB in the NFL should.

I always joke with Bears fans telling them I have no worries because as long as Cutler is the QB I know they are not winning the Super Bowl.

Also, Bears fans will talk about the Packers Depth at WR/TE and how great they are at those positions and they wish they had that. I love our WRs but we had games without Jennings and Nelson and still Rodgers was able to compete. Its about the system and the man with the ball. The packers are built to win the bears are built to lose who's head coach main goal in life is to beat the Packers instead of winning the Super Bowl.

 
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