Chiefs DE Allen to be traded? (2 Viewers)

[Donnybrook]

Vikings have upped their offer to 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd next year

I don't believe this...if the Chiefs are just asking for a 1st and 2nd, why give up more than that.

The rumor was that the Vikings offered the Chiefs the 1st and 3rd. The Chiefs wanted a 1st and 2nd. The Vikings offered the 1st and 2nd next year. The Chiefs wanted both picks in this year's draft. Like someone mentioned, the rule of thumb is that a future year's draft pick value is worth 1 round less. So essentially the value the Vikings are giving up is a 1st and two 3rds. I don't think it's too much. This will solve a lot of the Vikings' problems and make them a dominant defense. I also agree with the person who said that he'd rather give up 1st rounders in 2009 and 2010 than the 1st and 2nd this year.

Bad trade. They should turn their attention to Peppers, who (A) is not coming off a career year, and (B) should not command a 1st/2nd/3rd. I thought 1st/3rd was rich; if the Vikes up it to a 1st/2nd/3rd for a guy who is a beer away from heavy penalty, I'm going to be sick.

What makes you think Julius Pepper was even available to be traded? The rumor came from Charlie Walters which makes it total BS IMO.

 

[BigJim®]

Vikings have upped their offer to 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd next year

I don't believe this...if the Chiefs are just asking for a 1st and 2nd, why give up more than that.

The rumor was that the Vikings offered the Chiefs the 1st and 3rd. The Chiefs wanted a 1st and 2nd. The Vikings offered the 1st and 2nd next year. The Chiefs wanted both picks in this year's draft. Like someone mentioned, the rule of thumb is that a future year's draft pick value is worth 1 round less. So essentially the value the Vikings are giving up is a 1st and two 3rds. I don't think it's too much. This will solve a lot of the Vikings' problems and make them a dominant defense. I also agree with the person who said that he'd rather give up 1st rounders in 2009 and 2010 than the 1st and 2nd this year.

Bad trade. They should turn their attention to Peppers, who (A) is not coming off a career year, and (B) should not command a 1st/2nd/3rd. I thought 1st/3rd was rich; if the Vikes up it to a 1st/2nd/3rd for a guy who is a beer away from heavy penalty, I'm going to be sick.

really?? they are going to draft a d end with the first pick either way and we have an extra third? I don't think that is very rich imo....I say give them the 1st and 2nd this year and get it done.

Yes, really. You are acting like these picks have no possibility to bring in talent, perhaps rightfully so based on the Vikes draft record. However, we are not targetting a guy with great production and no baggage. We are targetting a guy who could be our next Koren Robinson experience... you know, the guy who is uber productive and then makes a single mistake due to chemical dependency after keeping it in check for a long time. The only thing worse than having that type of guy blow up in your face is giving 3 early picks to make it happen. The main point here is it is the Vikes who have the leverage if they are willing to meet Allen's contract demands. Even if Tampa offeres more than a 1st/3rd, they would need to come to contract terms with Allen, and he could definitely refuse to negotiate an extension with them. I don't think the best plan is to keep upping our offer to the point that KC fans are saying its crazy not to accept. That's not negotiating.

Lastly, can people please stop using the term "extra 3rd." This is just like any draft pick, it is not something to be thrown away or thrown in like some valueless chip.

 

[datonn]

I would STRONGLY assume that any contractual agreement between the Vikings and Allen would include behavioral clauses that would void any agreement (team option) and/or take money away from Allen should he slip-up and get into trouble with alcohol or other controlled substances, whether the league suspended him or not. If the Vikings DIDN'T create an agreement with those type of contingencies, they are nuts! However, regardless, we could never get those 2-3 draft picks back if Allen made a mess of things off the field.

I could personally live with a #1 and #3 in 2008. Allen >>> Merling and whatever we could draft in the third round! I could even tolerate a #1 and #2 in 2008. A #1 and #3 in 2008 AND a #2 in 2009 though just seems awfully, awfully expensive to me...even if Allen would solve about 18 problems and keep the Vikings from starting me and BigJim at DE this season.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I could personally live with a #1 and #3 in 2008. Allen >>> Merling and whatever we could draft in the third round! I could even tolerate a #1 and #2 in 2008. A #1 and #3 in 2008 AND a #2 in 2009 though just seems awfully, awfully expensive to me...even if Allen would solve about 18 problems and keep the Vikings from starting me and BigJim at DE this season.

This is exactly where I'm at. Although I barely tolerate a 1 & 2 this year.

 

[BigJim®]

Vikings have upped their offer to 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd next year

I don't believe this...if the Chiefs are just asking for a 1st and 2nd, why give up more than that.

The rumor was that the Vikings offered the Chiefs the 1st and 3rd. The Chiefs wanted a 1st and 2nd. The Vikings offered the 1st and 2nd next year. The Chiefs wanted both picks in this year's draft. Like someone mentioned, the rule of thumb is that a future year's draft pick value is worth 1 round less. So essentially the value the Vikings are giving up is a 1st and two 3rds. I don't think it's too much. This will solve a lot of the Vikings' problems and make them a dominant defense. I also agree with the person who said that he'd rather give up 1st rounders in 2009 and 2010 than the 1st and 2nd this year.

Bad trade. They should turn their attention to Peppers, who (A) is not coming off a career year, and (B) should not command a 1st/2nd/3rd. I thought 1st/3rd was rich; if the Vikes up it to a 1st/2nd/3rd for a guy who is a beer away from heavy penalty, I'm going to be sick.

What makes you think Julius Pepper was even available to be traded? The rumor came from Charlie Walters which makes it total BS IMO.

You don't think Carolina would listen if the Vikes offered a 1st/2nd? I'm basically saying doing anything is better than chasing ghosts until we're up to sending 3 1sts for a drunk. I don't even feel like we're negotiating against anyone but ourselves at this point anyway. The negotiation is the worse kept secret in NFL history, with Chilly so frothy he's calling the KFAN morning show to blather on about Allen, and with Wilf saying he's inserting himself into the negotiation. Has a team ever appeared more desparate and willing to overpay? I think not. A guy like Carl Peterson will demand your first born when you act like a giddy schoolgirl over his player.

 

[mozzy84]

Vikings have upped their offer to 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd next year

I don't believe this...if the Chiefs are just asking for a 1st and 2nd, why give up more than that.

The rumor was that the Vikings offered the Chiefs the 1st and 3rd. The Chiefs wanted a 1st and 2nd. The Vikings offered the 1st and 2nd next year. The Chiefs wanted both picks in this year's draft. Like someone mentioned, the rule of thumb is that a future year's draft pick value is worth 1 round less. So essentially the value the Vikings are giving up is a 1st and two 3rds. I don't think it's too much. This will solve a lot of the Vikings' problems and make them a dominant defense. I also agree with the person who said that he'd rather give up 1st rounders in 2009 and 2010 than the 1st and 2nd this year.

Bad trade. They should turn their attention to Peppers, who (A) is not coming off a career year, and (B) should not command a 1st/2nd/3rd. I thought 1st/3rd was rich; if the Vikes up it to a 1st/2nd/3rd for a guy who is a beer away from heavy penalty, I'm going to be sick.

really?? they are going to draft a d end with the first pick either way and we have an extra third? I don't think that is very rich imo....I say give them the 1st and 2nd this year and get it done.

Yes, really. You are acting like these picks have no possibility to bring in talent, perhaps rightfully so based on the Vikes draft record. However, we are not targetting a guy with great production and no baggage. We are targetting a guy who could be our next Koren Robinson experience... you know, the guy who is uber productive and then makes a single mistake due to chemical dependency after keeping it in check for a long time. The only thing worse than having that type of guy blow up in your face is giving 3 early picks to make it happen. The main point here is it is the Vikes who have the leverage if they are willing to meet Allen's contract demands. Even if Tampa offeres more than a 1st/3rd, they would need to come to contract terms with Allen, and he could definitely refuse to negotiate an extension with them. I don't think the best plan is to keep upping our offer to the point that KC fans are saying its crazy not to accept. That's not negotiating.

Lastly, can people please stop using the term "extra 3rd." This is just like any draft pick, it is not something to be thrown away or thrown in like some valueless chip.

no I am not, I think Allen is worth it to vikes. I would also think the contract is going to have some sort of out in it regarding his past, who knows I could be wrong. The vikes have two third round picks, I consider that an extra 3rd round pick, sorry if you don't like the wording but thats what it is to me.

 

[Donnybrook]

Vikings have upped their offer to 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd next year

I don't believe this...if the Chiefs are just asking for a 1st and 2nd, why give up more than that.

The rumor was that the Vikings offered the Chiefs the 1st and 3rd. The Chiefs wanted a 1st and 2nd. The Vikings offered the 1st and 2nd next year. The Chiefs wanted both picks in this year's draft. Like someone mentioned, the rule of thumb is that a future year's draft pick value is worth 1 round less. So essentially the value the Vikings are giving up is a 1st and two 3rds. I don't think it's too much. This will solve a lot of the Vikings' problems and make them a dominant defense. I also agree with the person who said that he'd rather give up 1st rounders in 2009 and 2010 than the 1st and 2nd this year.

Bad trade. They should turn their attention to Peppers, who (A) is not coming off a career year, and (B) should not command a 1st/2nd/3rd. I thought 1st/3rd was rich; if the Vikes up it to a 1st/2nd/3rd for a guy who is a beer away from heavy penalty, I'm going to be sick.

What makes you think Julius Pepper was even available to be traded? The rumor came from Charlie Walters which makes it total BS IMO.

You don't think Carolina would listen if the Vikes offered a 1st/2nd?

Peppers does not have the franchise tag over his head. Carolina has under contract for a couple more years. So no I don't think they would listen with the players available in this draft.

I'm basically saying doing anything is better than chasing ghosts until we're up to sending 3 1sts for a drunk.

Chris Carter was a drunk too. People don't change right?

I don't even feel like we're negotiating against anyone but ourselves at this point anyway.

Tampa bay has more cap money than us and has already offered their 1st, 5th and Jovan Haye.

The negotiation is the worse kept secret in NFL history, with Chilly so frothy he's calling the KFAN morning show to blather on about Allen, and with Wilf saying he's inserting himself into the negotiation. Has a team ever appeared more desparate and willing to overpay? I think not.

Everybody also knows what Tampa has offered.

A guy like Carl Peterson will demand your first born when you act like a giddy schoolgirl over his player.

I was hoping that the Vikings would only offered the 1st and 3rd and walk away. If Tampa comes over the top, they can have him.

 

[BigJim®]

Chris Carter was a drunk too. People don't change right?

I believe the Vikes paid $100 to claim Carter. You are sort of missing the point. We aren;t talking about picking up trash off the heap, we're talking about paying more via trade than anyone has paid in recent history, paying him as a top 5 at his position over a longterm contract.

I was hoping that the Vikings would only offered the 1st and 3rd and walk away. If Tampa comes over the top, they can have him.

I agree with this 100%. The Vikings shouldn't become a willing participant in a public bidding war. If Allen gets traded for a better deal than their own offer that was made public, that will be a lesson the Vikes front office should not have needed to be taught.

 

[BoltBacker]

Chris Carter was a drunk too. People don't change right?

I believe the Vikes paid $100 to claim Carter. You are sort of missing the point. We aren;t talking about picking up trash off the heap, we're talking about paying more via trade than anyone has paid in recent history, paying him as a top 5 at his position over a longterm contract.

You don't think it's possible to write anything into his contract that would protect whatever team he eventually signs with?

 

[BigJim®]

Chris Carter was a drunk too. People don't change right?

I believe the Vikes paid $100 to claim Carter. You are sort of missing the point. We aren't talking about picking up trash off the heap, we're talking about paying more via trade than anyone has paid in recent history, paying him as a top 5 at his position over a longterm contract.

You don't think it's possible to write anything into his contract that would protect whatever team he eventually signs with?

I'd thought it was not under the new CBA. If they can, the question in my mind is whether Allen and his agent will agree to any such financial protections. I would hope the Vikes do protect themselves, but as mentioned you can't get those picks back.

 

[BoltBacker]

Chris Carter was a drunk too. People don't change right?

I believe the Vikes paid $100 to claim Carter. You are sort of missing the point. We aren't talking about picking up trash off the heap, we're talking about paying more via trade than anyone has paid in recent history, paying him as a top 5 at his position over a longterm contract.

You don't think it's possible to write anything into his contract that would protect whatever team he eventually signs with?

I'd thought it was not under the new CBA. If they can, the question in my mind is whether Allen and his agent will agree to any such financial protections. I would hope the Vikes do protect themselves, but as mentioned you can't get those picks back.

I thought it was understood that if Pacman came back he'd have such provisions worked into his contract, and that he's already gone on record as accepting it if he gets reinstated.If Allen wants top $ he'll agree to it. After Ricky Williams/Pacman/Henry I don't think many teams are going to take franchise player risks with guys that already have one strike. Maybe he would accept less $ to make sure no such provisions exist, but that would be a big red flag to me and I certainly wouldn't suggest any trade being made if he were afraid of incuding those types of provisions.

 

[Jason Wood]

I can't begin to comment on whether Jared Allen has a serious drinking problem or not, but just to clarify...

Cris Carter was a cocaine addict; so the Eagles can hardly be criticized for parting ways with the young talent.

 

[Donnybrook]

Chris Carter was a drunk too. People don't change right?

I believe the Vikes paid $100 to claim Carter. You are sort of missing the point. We aren;t talking about picking up trash off the heap, we're talking about paying more via trade than anyone has paid in recent history, paying him as a top 5 at his position over a longterm contract.

I was hoping that the Vikings would only offered the 1st and 3rd and walk away. If Tampa comes over the top, they can have him.

I agree with this 100%. The Vikings shouldn't become a willing participant in a public bidding war. If Allen gets traded for a better deal than their own offer that was made public, that will be a lesson the Vikes front office should not have needed to be taught.

I brought up Cris Cater since you brought up Koren Robinson. One guy turned his life around the other guy is still trying. It is amazing that after everything Koren Robinson has done that he is still in the league. I guess that NFL policy on alcohol is little different than other drugs. When I look at the top players, many have some sort of baggage. Even Peppers has been suspended by the league (even though it may not have been justified). I remember how people were against New England trading for Moss. etc.

If you think they are simply paying too much, I guess we agree on something.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

I don't see how it would be any different to get a guy that has proven that he can perform on the NFL level.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

How so? For Gholston or just the value of moving into the top 5?My point was - if they were to trade the #17 and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 5, I think that would be considered good value from a pick standpoint.

 

[bcr8f]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

How so? For Gholston or just the value of moving into the top 5?My point was - if they were to trade the #17 and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 5, I think that would be considered good value from a pick standpoint.

The 17 and a 2nd rounder won't get them to 5.

 

[massraider]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

How so? For Gholston or just the value of moving into the top 5?My point was - if they were to trade the #17 and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 5, I think that would be considered good value from a pick standpoint.

The 17 and a 2nd rounder won't get them to 5.

Which makes his point perfectly.

 

[FUBAR]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

How so? For Gholston or just the value of moving into the top 5?My point was - if they were to trade the #17 and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 5, I think that would be considered good value from a pick standpoint.

The 17 and a 2nd rounder won't get them to 5.

Which makes his point perfectly.

:winner:Unless you happen to believe Gholston > Allen valuewise, or you don't want a top DE period, you make this move.

 

[BigJim®]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

How so? For Gholston or just the value of moving into the top 5?My point was - if they were to trade the #17 and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 5, I think that would be considered good value from a pick standpoint.

I'm with AD on this one. Between the options of (a) trading a ridiculous bounty into the top 5 to pay some unproven possible workout warrior tens of millions of dollars and (b) trading a massive bounty to pay some guy with a possible drinking problem, but who is nonetheless proven, tens of millions of dollars, I choose (b). I don't like the options though. My main gripe anyway is the Vikes seem to be negotiating like a bunch of nimrods.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

How so? For Gholston or just the value of moving into the top 5?My point was - if they were to trade the #17 and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 5, I think that would be considered good value from a pick standpoint.

I'm with AD on this one. Between the options of (a) trading a ridiculous bounty into the top 5 to pay some unproven possible workout warrior tens of millions of dollars and (b) trading a massive bounty to pay some guy with a possible drinking problem, but who is nonetheless proven, tens of millions of dollars, I choose (b). I don't like the options though. My main gripe anyway is the Vikes seem to be negotiating like a bunch of nimrods.

I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough. I want the Vikings to get Allen for a 1st and 3rd - or a 1st and 2nd if need be. I just made the Gholston analogy to say that getting Allen for a 1st and 2nd would make sense, just as trading a 1st and 2nd to move into the top 5 (or even 10) would make sense.I don't really agree that they aren't dealing very well. They have their offer on the table (1st and 3rd), and the Chiefs want a 1st and 2nd. I really don't see anyone else giving more than a 1st and a 3rd so why up the ante if you don't have to?

 

[BigJim®]

Would anyone criticize the Vikings for trading their 1st and 2nd to move up to #4 and take Vernon Gholston?

Yes. A whole bunch. That would be monumentally dumb.

How so? For Gholston or just the value of moving into the top 5?My point was - if they were to trade the #17 and a 2nd rounder to move into the top 5, I think that would be considered good value from a pick standpoint.

I'm with AD on this one. Between the options of (a) trading a ridiculous bounty into the top 5 to pay some unproven possible workout warrior tens of millions of dollars and (b) trading a massive bounty to pay some guy with a possible drinking problem, but who is nonetheless proven, tens of millions of dollars, I choose (b). I don't like the options though. My main gripe anyway is the Vikes seem to be negotiating like a bunch of nimrods.

I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough. I want the Vikings to get Allen for a 1st and 3rd - or a 1st and 2nd if need be. I just made the Gholston analogy to say that getting Allen for a 1st and 2nd would make sense, just as trading a 1st and 2nd to move into the top 5 (or even 10) would make sense.I don't really agree that they aren't dealing very well. They have their offer on the table (1st and 3rd), and the Chiefs want a 1st and 2nd. I really don't see anyone else giving more than a 1st and a 3rd so why up the ante if you don't have to?

I totally agree 1st/3rd is worth the risk. I'm in favor of the move no question. I'm mainly reacting to the building pft report from a 'league source' that the Vikings planned to sign Allen post-draft at the cost of the 2009-2010 1st round picks, and the suggestion/report in this thread that the Vikings had offered a 1st/2nd/3rd because the value of future picks means its not a fleecing. Reading back, I could not see the source, so that report might be completely unfounded.

 

[Wreckincrew]

Lastly, can people please stop using the term "extra 3rd." This is just like any draft pick, it is not something to be thrown away or thrown in like some valueless chip.

You mean like Denny and his "bonus" 1st round Demetrious Underwood (sp?) pick.

 

[BigJim®]

Lastly, can people please stop using the term "extra 3rd." This is just like any draft pick, it is not something to be thrown away or thrown in like some valueless chip.

You mean like Denny and his "bonus" 1st round Demetrious Underwood (sp?) pick.

Not to mention trading the 'extra' pick to reach even more ridiculously for T.Jackson.

 

[snellman]

I have been against a 1st, 3rd and 2nd next year, but what if the Vikings made it a conditional 2nd based on performance. That all of a suddend doesn't sound to bad.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I guess I didn't make my point clearly enough. I want the Vikings to get Allen for a 1st and 3rd - or a 1st and 2nd if need be. I just made the Gholston analogy to say that getting Allen for a 1st and 2nd would make sense, just as trading a 1st and 2nd to move into the top 5 (or even 10) would make sense.

I'm borderline on trading a 1 & 2 for Allen just becasue of the risk of .I'm vehemently against trading a 1 & 2 for the #5 this year because I don't think the talent is worth it. Gholston is really overrated for the 4-3 scheme, IMO. Although I do think he'll fit really nicely in the Dolphins 3-4.

I don't really agree that they aren't dealing very well. They have their offer on the table (1st and 3rd), and the Chiefs want a 1st and 2nd. I really don't see anyone else giving more than a 1st and a 3rd so why up the ante if you don't have to?

They're running around like a teenage boy at prom basically screaming "Daddy gotta have it!"

 

[gump]

I don't really agree that they aren't dealing very well. They have their offer on the table (1st and 3rd), and the Chiefs want a 1st and 2nd. I really don't see anyone else giving more than a 1st and a 3rd so why up the ante if you don't have to?

They're running around like a teenage boy at prom basically screaming "Daddy gotta have it!"

There is a rumor on the Bucs board from a "league source" that Bruce Allen is doing Carl Peterson a "favor" and acting as if he would up the ante to compete with the MIN offer...who knows.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I'm vehemently against trading a 1 & 2 for the #5 this year because I don't think the talent is worth it. Gholston is really overrated for the 4-3 scheme, IMO.

Although I do think he'll fit really nicely in the Dolphins 3-4.

I don't really agree that they aren't dealing very well. They have their offer on the table (1st and 3rd), and the Chiefs want a 1st and 2nd. I really don't see anyone else giving more than a 1st and a 3rd so why up the ante if you don't have to?

They're running around like a teenage boy at prom basically screaming "Daddy gotta have it!"

I don't want the Vikings to trade the 1 and 2 for the #5 either because I feel the same about Gholston, I was just saying that it would viewed as a steal pick-wise. It is pretty tough to hide your desire to trade for the guy when you have to have a deal in place before you make the trade, so I don't know how they could do it any differently.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't want the Vikings to trade the 1 and 2 for the #5 either because I feel the same about Gholston, I was just saying that it would viewed as a steal pick-wise.

Ah. I get what you're saying now.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I don't really agree that they aren't dealing very well. They have their offer on the table (1st and 3rd), and the Chiefs want a 1st and 2nd. I really don't see anyone else giving more than a 1st and a 3rd so why up the ante if you don't have to?

They're running around like a teenage boy at prom basically screaming "Daddy gotta have it!"

There is a rumor on the Bucs board from a "league source" that Bruce Allen is doing Carl Peterson a "favor" and acting as if he would up the ante to compete with the MIN offer...who knows.

This is a possibility. They have had a pretty good business relationship for some time. We just recently dealt with him for Michael Bennet & a D-lineman. Wilkerson I believe...Bruce Allen still has good ties with the NFC West. Another example is the deal he worked for Plummer with the Broncos.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Who screwed up the formatting on this page?

 

[midnightxxxx]

Tuesday, April 22, 2008

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Eagles are testing the market for Allen

By Bob Grotz, bgrotz@comcast.net

PHILADELPHIA — The Eagles are among a handful of teams that inquired about securing defensive end Jared Allen, who led the NFL with 151/2 sacks last year.

For now, the Kansas City Chiefs want choice draft picks, not a combination of players and picks for Allen, whom the club designated as its franchise player.

The Eagles discussed shipping cornerback Lito Sheppard and picks to the Chiefs, but not their first-round pick, according to a source. Sheppard’s recent history of nagging injuries didn’t win the Eagles any points, either.

Allen (6-6, 270) is being heavily pursued by the Minnesota Vikings, and to a lesser degree the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It’s unclear whether the Eagles would meet the contract demands of Allen, who quietly wants a pact with $30 million guaranteed.

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While Allen’s talent is over the top, the same can be said of his behavior, at times. With a long-term contract, Allen would be a risky addition for he would face a lengthy suspension as a two-time offender, a source said, under terms of the league’s substance abuse program. A slip and Allen’s next employer would be in salary cap hell.

Clearly the Eagles are turning over every stone, having given New York Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson a physical, according to reports, and having previously baited their hook for elite wide receiver Randy Moss, who re-signed with the New England Patriots.

The Eagles have targeted some other No. 1-caliber wide receivers, sources said, and this could be the week they pull something off.

All of that said, the Eagles have a pretty good idea of what it will take to improve their No. 19 draft position in the first round. And if the buzz means anything, the Birds will move up. Potential targets include offensive lineman Branden Albert of Virginia, the athletic guard that projects to left tackle, and defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis of USC.

“People up at the top (of the draft) want to get out of there but I don’t think it’s going to be real easy just because of the money you’re going to have to pay those picks,” Eagles general manager Tom Heckert said. “It’s so much that they better be so much better than the other guys you’re going to get. I don’t know. I think there will be some moves. I just don’t know if it’s going to be crazy.”

While Heckert left the door open for Sheppard to stick around, sources say the chance of that happening is infinitesimal because of the message it would send to Eagles players. Sheppard, Heckert confirmed, hasn’t participated in any of the offseason workouts with his soon-to-be former teammates.

“Anything can happen with Lito,” Heckert said. “He can be here and play for us or he might not be here. Right now he’s on our team and that’s really it.”

 

[BigJim®]

It is pretty tough to hide your desire to trade for the guy when you have to have a deal in place before you make the trade, so I don't know how they could do it any differently.

Really? What does needing to have a deal in place have to do with the volunteered publicity? Not leaking info down? Chilly not calling KFAN shows down? Wilf not volunteering info to Star Tribune down? They should be doing *everything* differently, beginning with pretending they could take or leave this trade. They've basically put themselves in a position where they need to back up the Brinks truck and throw in 'seal the deal' extra draft picks to avoid appearing like baffoons to the Viking fanbase if this thing falls apart. Also, I'm not exactly clear why they were negotiating with Allen before having final terms re: any necessary compensation to KC settled. You simply have to know if you are going to be willing to pay the asking price before talking about contracts with a guy. From the sounds of it, they thought they had such an arrangement and not Peterson is asking for more. In my mind, that is "walk away from the table, call us when you are willing to stand up to your word" variety BS.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

It is pretty tough to hide your desire to trade for the guy when you have to have a deal in place before you make the trade, so I don't know how they could do it any differently.

Really? What does needing to have a deal in place have to do with the volunteered publicity? Not leaking info down? Chilly not calling KFAN shows down? Wilf not volunteering info to Star Tribune down? They should be doing *everything* differently, beginning with pretending they could take or leave this trade. They've basically put themselves in a position where they need to back up the Brinks truck and throw in 'seal the deal' extra draft picks to avoid appearing like baffoons to the Viking fanbase if this thing falls apart. Also, I'm not exactly clear why they were negotiating with Allen before having final terms re: any necessary compensation to KC settled. You simply have to know if you are going to be willing to pay the asking price before talking about contracts with a guy. From the sounds of it, they thought they had such an arrangement and not Peterson is asking for more. In my mind, that is "walk away from the table, call us when you are willing to stand up to your word" variety BS.

I guess all I have really heard for certain is that they have offered their 1st and 3rd, and told KC to take it or leave it. Kind of like they did with Houston for Rosenfels. Houston said no, so they signed Frerotte. They want Allen and everybody knows that, so I'm not sure what difference it makes if the media gets that involved or not.

 

[BigJim®]

I guess all I have really heard for certain is that they have offered their 1st and 3rd, and told KC to take it or leave it.

Ok, how about a freindly Vike fan to Vike fan "I told you so" wager? I'll bet the Vikes cave, due to the publicity circus they've personally pitched the tent for, and this thing gets done by Saturday AM for a 1st/2nd in 2008. If the Vikes have the cojones to stand their ground like real negotiators and land him for a 1st/3rd or willingly walk away, I will be 100% wrong.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I guess all I have really heard for certain is that they have offered their 1st and 3rd, and told KC to take it or leave it.

Ok, how about a freindly Vike fan to Vike fan "I told you so" wager? I'll bet the Vikes cave, due to the publicity circus they've personally pitched the tent for, and this thing gets done by Saturday AM for a 1st/2nd in 2008. If the Vikes have the cojones to stand their ground like real negotiators and land him for a 1st/3rd or willingly walk away, I will be 100% wrong.

As a Viking fan, I'd kind of like it if they told KC to take a 1 & 3 or get bent.

 

[fantasy ferrets]

Just read this off rotoworld. The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.

Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.

Source: scout.com

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Just read this off rotoworld. The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.Source: scout.com

Since I said before that I'd be okay with this year's 1 and both 3's, I guess I'd be okay with this. Seems like a lot though.

 

[greenf7cat]

Just read this off rotoworld. The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.Source: scout.com

Was this dated today, or yesterday? I only ask b/c I thought I heard about this yesterday, but could def. be wrong!!

 

[arlingtonpark27]

Just read this off rotoworld. The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.Source: scout.com

Since I said before that I'd be okay with this year's 1 and both 3's, I guess I'd be okay with this. Seems like a lot though.

I agree. I'd rather give this year's 1 and both 3's or this year's 1 and 2 instead of this new proposal. The other option would be to make the 2009 conditional on how he performs next year.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I guess all I have really heard for certain is that they have offered their 1st and 3rd, and told KC to take it or leave it.

Ok, how about a freindly Vike fan to Vike fan "I told you so" wager? I'll bet the Vikes cave, due to the publicity circus they've personally pitched the tent for, and this thing gets done by Saturday AM for a 1st/2nd in 2008. If the Vikes have the cojones to stand their ground like real negotiators and land him for a 1st/3rd or willingly walk away, I will be 100% wrong.

I'm not really in the know enough to "wager" on something like this, but I just think that if they would have really wanted to cave and throw whatever it takes to get him at the Chiefs, it would be done by now.I think getting Allen is very important to the franchise so I hope they get it done. I feel anything over a 1st and 2nd (no matter what year it is) is a bit too much.If it gets done and is a 1st and 2nd, then you will say that they didn't stick to their guns - but they will have the guy they wanted and we'll never know if a 1st and 3rd would have gotten it done. If they don't get a trade done, then you will say they didn't do enough to get the guy.

 

[bjabrad]

Just read this off rotoworld. The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.Source: scout.com

Was this dated today, or yesterday? I only ask b/c I thought I heard about this yesterday, but could def. be wrong!!

The updated offer of the 08 1st and third plus the 09 2nd popped on MIN and KC message boards Monday afternoon around 3 PM. What is unknown is which of MIN's 3rd round picks it is. MIN has the #73 (from Denver) as well as #82 in the 3rd round. Consider me in the KC camp that thinks that the 08 1st and 3rd combined with the 09 2nd round pick actually sounds like a pretty good deal. It's not two 1sts in 08 (on top of KC's own #5 pick) but it's a ton better than only a 1st and 3rd in 08. I'm a little surprised that KC hasn't pulled the trigger on this offer if the details are accurate but there are still rumors floating around about PHI trying to package a deal along with CB Sheppard, TB trying to package some picks together as well as New England using their #7 pick so Peterson/Hunt may be trying to give enough time for a bidding war to develop. A poster in a KC forum thinks that KC will wait until they are on the clock with the #5 pick to make the trade to MIN so that OAK won't draft DE Chris Long in front of KC and gives KC more control over throwing a curve into other teams drafting plan.So far this is a very entertaining soap opera in which we are all trying to get inside the heads of KC, MIN and other bidders but it's a real guessing game trying to figure out which pieces of info are true and which ones are either smoke screens planted by the negotiating parties involved or the dreams of sports writers and forum junkies like me.

 

[massraider]

Just read this off rotoworld. The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.Source: scout.com

Was this dated today, or yesterday? I only ask b/c I thought I heard about this yesterday, but could def. be wrong!!

The updated offer of the 08 1st and third plus the 09 2nd popped on MIN and KC message boards Monday afternoon around 3 PM. What is unknown is which of MIN's 3rd round picks it is. MIN has the #73 (from Denver) as well as #82 in the 3rd round. Consider me in the KC camp that thinks that the 08 1st and 3rd combined with the 09 2nd round pick actually sounds like a pretty good deal. It's not two 1sts in 08 (on top of KC's own #5 pick) but it's a ton better than only a 1st and 3rd in 08.

So wait, you think a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd is a good deal?Ummm, me too. If KC gets anything more than a 1 and a 3, it's a very, very good deal. If they get more than a 1 and a 2, it's highway robbery.Personally, I don't buy the 1-2-3 story. Because even if the Vikes want Allen bad, they have to assume someone is offering more than a 1 and a 2 to make that offer. Does anyone think the Bucs or the Eagles are offering a 1 and a 2? Especially without a deal in place?

 

[BigJim®]

If it gets done and is a 1st and 2nd, then you will say that they didn't stick to their guns - but they will have the guy they wanted and we'll never know if a 1st and 3rd would have gotten it done. If they don't get a trade done, then you will say they didn't do enough to get the guy.

Reportedly, Peterson reneged on accepting a 1st/3rd. I'm basing most of my position on the truth of that report. I heard it from a team insider type, so I believe it. If it happened, it is outlandish for the Vikings to be played for more. I don't care how good the guy is. If they do not get the trade done, I will absolutely not say they didn't do enough to get the guy. In fact, I'd have more respect for this franchise than I've had in quite some time. I'm opposed to even entertaining nibble-nibble negotiations if a deal was agreed upon in principle. I'd use the 1st/3rd on much needed DE/OL depth for 2008 and look forward to pursuing Allen as a FA, and giving the Chiefs nothing, in 2009.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

If it gets done and is a 1st and 2nd, then you will say that they didn't stick to their guns - but they will have the guy they wanted and we'll never know if a 1st and 3rd would have gotten it done. If they don't get a trade done, then you will say they didn't do enough to get the guy.

Reportedly, Peterson reneged on accepting a 1st/3rd. I'm basing most of my position on the truth of that report. I heard it from a team insider type, so I believe it. If it happened, it is outlandish for the Vikings to be played for more. I don't care how good the guy is. If they do not get the trade done, I will absolutely not say they didn't do enough to get the guy. In fact, I'd have more respect for this franchise than I've had in quite some time. I'm opposed to even entertaining nibble-nibble negotiations if a deal was agreed upon in principle. I'd use the 1st/3rd on much needed DE/OL depth for 2008 and look forward to pursuing Allen as a FA, and giving the Chiefs nothing, in 2009.

Wow, I didn't know that. If that is the case, then I hope they don't give them any more.

 

[nsaqam]

The Vikings need to make this trade happen. The draft is always a crapshoot, especially for the Vikes lately. The Vikes need so much help on the ends that the proven production of Allen is far better than the potential production of any rookie in the draft. Both Kenechi Udeze and Erasmus James were 1st round picks for the Vikings and we know how well they worked out! I'll take 15.5 sack in '07 while missing 2 games over a chancy rookie every day. A 1 and a 3 in '08 and a 2 in '09 isn't too high a price to pay when adding someone of Allens talent to a D-line that is so strong in the middle.

Make it happen Winter Park!!!

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Just read this off rotoworld. The Vikings have reportedly increased their offer to the Chiefs for franchise player Jared Allen.

Minnesota allegedly now has its first-round and third-round picks this year and a 2009 second-rounder on the table. The Vikes were previously offering only their 2008 first- and third-rounders. Assuming a contract can be agreed upon, Kansas City seems likely to take them up on the new proposal.

Source: scout.com

Was this dated today, or yesterday? I only ask b/c I thought I heard about this yesterday, but could def. be wrong!!

The updated offer of the 08 1st and third plus the 09 2nd popped on MIN and KC message boards Monday afternoon around 3 PM. What is unknown is which of MIN's 3rd round picks it is. MIN has the #73 (from Denver) as well as #82 in the 3rd round.

Consider me in the KC camp that thinks that the 08 1st and 3rd combined with the 09 2nd round pick actually sounds like a pretty good deal. It's not two 1sts in 08 (on top of KC's own #5 pick) but it's a ton better than only a 1st and 3rd in 08.

I'm a little surprised that KC hasn't pulled the trigger on this offer if the details are accurate but there are still rumors floating around about PHI trying to package a deal along with CB Sheppard, TB trying to package some picks together as well as New England using their #7 pick so Peterson/Hunt may be trying to give enough time for a bidding war to develop.

A poster in a KC forum thinks that KC will wait until they are on the clock with the #5 pick to make the trade to MIN so that OAK won't draft DE Chris Long in front of KC and gives KC more control over throwing a curve into other teams drafting plan.

So far this is a very entertaining soap opera in which we are all trying to get inside the heads of KC, MIN and other bidders but it's a real guessing game trying to figure out which pieces of info are true and which ones are either smoke screens planted by the negotiating parties involved or the dreams of sports writers and forum junkies like me.

If Philly offers them more than Sheppard and a first, I'd be shocked.

 

[fantasy ferrets]

My instincts were apparently right.

I'm hearing that the Scout.com report is wrong. The Vikings have not offered the Kansas City Chiefs a one (17th overall), a three and a second in 2009. If that were the case, Chiefs president Carl Peterson would have personally flown Jared Allen to the Twin Cities.

I suspect the Chiefs are standing firm by their pursuit of a first and second this year, while the Vikings may be sticking to the first and third this year or conceding with a first this year and a second in 2009.

I've also learned something else: The Vikings have two excellent in-house resources to get a proper read on Allen. Before joining the Vikings in 2005, Les Pico served as the Chiefs' player development coordinator/ legal for four seasons, and he knew Allen quite well. In addition, Vikings vice president Kevin Warren is very close to former Chiefs head coach **** Vermeil, who coached Allen in 2004 and 2005.

Now the Vikings executive director of player development/ legal, Pico quietly works with Warren to proactively help the players with a variety of issues, legal and otherwise.

At this point, all indications are that Vikings owner Zygi Wilf has signed off on the pursuit of Allen, who has twice been arrested for DUIs. Mindful of his culture of accountability, Wilf and his staff are apparently confident that Allen truly has turned his life around, and I'm sure input from Pico and Warren helped them reach that conclusion.

Posted by Sean Jensen on April 22, 2008 5:41

 

[vandyt]

PFT says deal is done

ALLEN TO VIKES A DONE DEALPosted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 10:42 p.m. What do Carl Eller and Jared Allen have in common?Okay, what else do they have in common? As of Wednesday, both will have been members of the Minnesota Vikings.Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Vikings have reached a contract agreement with defensive end Jared Allen and a trade agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs.The deal will be finalized on Wednesday.Allen was the NFL’s sack leader in 2007, despite missing two games due to a suspension. His first game was against the Vikings, and his performance was downright dominant.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

ALLEN TO VIKES A DONE DEALPosted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 10:42 p.m. What do Carl Eller and Jared Allen have in common?Okay, what else do they have in common?