Childress tried to bench Favre (2 Viewers)

[Avery]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Childress has been courting Favre for two years to come to the Vikings. He can ##### and moan all he wants and I'm not defending Favre here but Chili's gotta dance with the girl that brung ya.Childress made the bed and now he's gotta sleep in it.He bought the groceries, now he's gotta cook with what he got.I'm out of analogies...

 

[thammond]

I say fire Childress and let Favre be coach, OC and QB.

 

[sho nuff]

With the report that Childress wanted to bench him during the Packer game for audibling to the deep ball...that audible...does that show some of you that Favre was motivated to stick it to Ted THompson and the Packers?

 

[Manster]

this is the beginning of the end for Favre. he's gonna run outta steam.

 

[Knobs]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...ch-favre-twice/

It's sure going to be an interesting Monday night..

Childress previously tried twice to bench Favre twice

Posted by Mike Florio on December 21, 2009 6:51 PM ET

As it turns out, last night's failed effort by coach Brad Childress to bench quarterback Brett Favre wasn't the first attempt to yank Favre off the field.

Per separate reports from ESPN and the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Childress previously tried to pull Favre on two other occasions.

Per ESPN, the first one came on October 5 against the Packers, after Favre audibled to a long pass late in a game that the Vikings led by 10 points with 3:27 to play. We criticized the decision at the time, though it wasn't clear whether Childress called the deep pass at a time when the Vikes could have milked the clock, or whether Favre had changed the play at the line in order to further "stick it" to Green Bay G.M. Ted Thompson.

Chilldress reportedly was furious, but offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell persuaded Chilly to chill out.

When Favre learned of the near-benching, he confronted Childress, who blamed it on the emotion of the game.

Then, on November 15, Childress tried to do it again early in a 27-10 win over the Lions.

On the prior two occasions, Favre didn't say anything about it to he media. This time, however, he popped off -- and that apparently caused Chilly to blow a gasket, according to Tom Powers of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Powers believes that he was in the vicinity of the visiting coach's office last night when Childress learned about Favre's comments -- and that Childress emerged from the office "like a wild man" and "went ballistic."

Bottom line? It's a mess right now in Minnesota, and that's good news for ESPN, since the Monday Night Football slate ends next week with a suddenly spiced-up game between the Vikings and the Bears.

I might be willing to say this is being blown out of proportion, but with that d-bag coming out and saying the coach tried to pull him but he refused, I now believe this story.I think Childress is a terrible coach, but he's still the coach. Should be interesting to watch this potential

 

[sho nuff]

This does not sound good...

Interviews with six members of the organization revealed that Childress ripped his offense during halftime Sunday and that he privately unleashed an expletive-laden outburst toward Favre long after the game in the visitors' locker room.

.....

But all is not well between Brad and Brett, and the primary difference centers on the quarterback's penchant to check out of runs and into passes. According to one team member, Favre has expressed frustration for much of the season about Childress' unwillingness to let him audible more.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_14038891?nclick_check=1

 

[Sabertooth]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Well, if Favre stays, the draft is out. So is bringing in a legit free agent. He never forgave Thompson for drafting Rodgers.

 

[Sabertooth]

This does not sound good...

Interviews with six members of the organization revealed that Childress ripped his offense during halftime Sunday and that he privately unleashed an expletive-laden outburst toward Favre long after the game in the visitors' locker room.

.....

But all is not well between Brad and Brett, and the primary difference centers on the quarterback's penchant to check out of runs and into passes. According to one team member, Favre has expressed frustration for much of the season about Childress' unwillingness to let him audible more.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_14038891?nclick_check=1

Sounds great to me. Getcha popcorn ready.

 

[Avery]

This whole situation is as much evidence that Childress is a crappy head coach as Favre is a self-indulgent prima donna.

Train really seems to be coming off the tracks in Minnesota but a win can cure a lot of ills.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Now we know why McCarty did not want him back.

 

[NoCheese]

This whole situation is as much evidence that Childress is a crappy head coach as Favre is a self-indulgent prima donna.

Train really seems to be coming off the tracks in Minnesota but a win can cure a lot of ills.

I agree with the first sentence, but wow, talk about overstating something (the bolded). The Vikings are 11-3 and beat Cincy by 20 two weeks ago. A bad loss at Carolina where Peppers was unstoppable and everything is falling apart because of a disagreement between the QB and head coach? OK then. Vikes will rebound and grab the #2 seed.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Anyone have a link to the video of the heated discussion?

 

[Avery]

This whole situation is as much evidence that Childress is a crappy head coach as Favre is a self-indulgent prima donna.

Train really seems to be coming off the tracks in Minnesota but a win can cure a lot of ills.

I agree with the first sentence, but wow, talk about overstating something (the bolded). The Vikings are 11-3 and beat Cincy by 20 two weeks ago. A bad loss at Carolina where Peppers was unstoppable and everything is falling apart because of a disagreement between the QB and head coach? OK then. Vikes will rebound and grab the #2 seed.

Feel free to bold my entire second sentence and I'm saying a win will settle this down.

 

[Mario Kart]

Now we know why McCarty did not want him back.

McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, want to call the plays and have it be that play and that is all. But, when the QB gets behind center and reads the defense the play called may not be the best option. The only problem I see with Favre audibling "too much" is he may audible to other runs if the defense is strong on one side, audible the blocking to the other side and run the other way. However, Favre has been around long enough to know what defenses look like and if he is going to have single coverage on a fly or quick slant pattern, the odds of gaining yardage between a stacked defense and/or passing route have to be considered. McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, are much too arrogant to trust their QB to make the correct call. Never heard any of Indianapolis' coaches complain about Manning doing this.

 

[Avery]

Now we know why McCarty did not want him back.

McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, want to call the plays and have it be that play and that is all. But, when the QB gets behind center and reads the defense the play called may not be the best option. The only problem I see with Favre audibling "too much" is he may audible to other runs if the defense is strong on one side, audible the blocking to the other side and run the other way. However, Favre has been around long enough to know what defenses look like and if he is going to have single coverage on a fly or quick slant pattern, the odds of gaining yardage between a stacked defense and/or passing route have to be considered. McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, are much too arrogant to trust their QB to make the correct call. Never heard any of Indianapolis' coaches complain about Manning doing this.

I'll step out on a very think limb and say that's because it's Manning doing this.

 

[sho nuff]

Now we know why McCarty did not want him back.

McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, want to call the plays and have it be that play and that is all. But, when the QB gets behind center and reads the defense the play called may not be the best option. The only problem I see with Favre audibling "too much" is he may audible to other runs if the defense is strong on one side, audible the blocking to the other side and run the other way. However, Favre has been around long enough to know what defenses look like and if he is going to have single coverage on a fly or quick slant pattern, the odds of gaining yardage between a stacked defense and/or passing route have to be considered. McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, are much too arrogant to trust their QB to make the correct call. Never heard any of Indianapolis' coaches complain about Manning doing this.

I'll step out on a very think limb and say that's because it's Manning doing this.

I don't recall it being about McCarthy not wanting calls changed...I think the comment there was about overall attitude.As for Manning...

A. He is better than Favre.

B. Its not always an audible but the actual play call the way their offense works.

C. He is better than Favre.

D. He does not have Adrian Peterson behind him only getting 3 carries in a half in a game they were leading or close for much of that time.

 

[dhockster]

Okay, since supposedly Brad Johnson and Gus Frerotte complained that Childress didn't let them audible enough, we can probably conclude that Childress is an offensive control freak. We can also probably conclude that Childress knows this about himself.

So why, in God's name, if you are Brad Childress, do you want to bring in the ultimate gunslinger, I'll do whatever I want, Quarterback?

This confrontation was inevitable and Childress should have known it.

As an Eagles fan, it makes me think back to when Childress was offensive coordinator, and wonder did he hamstring McNabb by not letting him audible when he had opportunities?

While Farve is an egomaniac who wants to win his way so he can get all the glory, I blame Childress for creating this situation.

 

[CutlerToCutler]

Nice job, Brett. This is so shocking. I would've never thought something like this come from a classy guy like Favre.

 

[CutlerToCutler]

Okay, since supposedly Brad Johnson and Gus Frerotte complained that Childress didn't let them audible enough, we can probably conclude that Childress is an offensive control freak. We can also probably conclude that Childress knows this about himself.

So why, in God's name, if you are Brad Childress, do you want to bring in the ultimate gunslinger, I'll do whatever I want, Quarterback?

This confrontation was inevitable and Childress should have known it.

As an Eagles fan, it makes me think back to when Childress was offensive coordinator, and wonder did he hamstring McNabb by not letting him audible when he had opportunities?

While Farve is an egomaniac who wants to win his way so he can get all the glory, I blame Childress for creating this situation.

Yeah. It's all Childress's fault.

 

[Mario Kart]

Nice job, Brett. This is so shocking. I would've never thought something like this come from a classy guy like Favre.

Favre = Class, while Childress = control freak. It is awesome seeing you behind Favre in this matter. Good job.

 

[dhockster]

Okay, since supposedly Brad Johnson and Gus Frerotte complained that Childress didn't let them audible enough, we can probably conclude that Childress is an offensive control freak. We can also probably conclude that Childress knows this about himself.

So why, in God's name, if you are Brad Childress, do you want to bring in the ultimate gunslinger, I'll do whatever I want, Quarterback?

This confrontation was inevitable and Childress should have known it.

As an Eagles fan, it makes me think back to when Childress was offensive coordinator, and wonder did he hamstring McNabb by not letting him audible when he had opportunities?

While Farve is an egomaniac who wants to win his way so he can get all the glory, I blame Childress for creating this situation.

Yeah. It's all Childress's fault.

I don't think it is all Childress's fault, but he knew what he was getting when he signed Farve. He is trying to control an uncontrollable player, and when he can't, he is doing nothing to punish said uncontrollable player.Farve is a jerk, who only cares about himself, and should only audible out of plays when the defense calls for it, not just because he wants to throw it more so he can look good. The more I think about it, Farve is very similar to TO, he just doesn't have to complain about not getting the ball enough, he can just change plays to the one he wants.

 

[zDragon]

I don't understand why so many people are surprised by this. Childress surrendered control of the team to Favre the minute he picked him up at the airport. Everyone knows this. Favre has never been afraid to use the power he has to do what he thinks is best for Favre. Remember several years ago he tried to leverage his return to get TT to aquire Randy Moss and some coaches he wanted. This is not new behavior from Favre for those of us who have been paying attention. The only surprising thing is that Childress dared even attempting to suggest that Favre come out of the game. He should have known that wasn't going to happen.

I don't understand why so many people are bashing Favre and Childress when they have no clue what actually happened.

 

[Jeremy]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Childress has been courting Favre for two years to come to the Vikings. He can ##### and moan all he wants and I'm not defending Favre here but Chili's gotta dance with the girl that brung ya.Childress made the bed and now he's gotta sleep in it.He bought the groceries, now he's gotta cook with what he got.I'm out of analogies...

Yeah, this is the price you pay to bring Favre in, and unless Chilly is even dumber than he appears to be, he had to know this. In Brett they got a much better QB than what they had, but the cost of that is that he owns you. He says you pick me up at the airport, you're picking him up at the airport. Shut up and do what you're told, I'm Brett Favre. So he had to have asked himself: Is it worth it to give up my authority for a QB that gives us a chance to win? You really can't blame him for saying "yes". But then you read some of these reports and you wonder if really understood what he was getting himself into.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Childress has been courting Favre for two years to come to the Vikings. He can ##### and moan all he wants and I'm not defending Favre here but Chili's gotta dance with the girl that brung ya.Childress made the bed and now he's gotta sleep in it.He bought the groceries, now he's gotta cook with what he got.I'm out of analogies...

Yeah, this is the price you pay to bring Favre in, and unless Chilly is even dumber than he appears to be, he had to know this. In Brett they got a much better QB than what they had, but the cost of that is that he owns you. He says you pick me up at the airport, you're picking him up at the airport. Shut up and do what you're told, I'm Brett Favre. So he had to have asked himself: Is it worth it to give up my authority for a QB that gives us a chance to win? You really can't blame him for saying "yes". But then you read some of these reports and you wonder if really understood what he was getting himself into.

Minnesota clinched the NFC North with two weeks to go in the season and has only lost 3 on the season. It was a good decision, don't be silly. There's a lot wrong with the team as can be seen by the losses at Ari and @ Car. Still time to fix it, if they can, but I haven't liked what I've seen from the O-line at all this year. Also, Chilly's decision to not aid the LT against Peppers is what killed their offense overall. On a 3 man rush the Panthers were getting pressure without any problem. Can't do anything without stopping that, wideouts were covered well under that kind of scheme.

 

[Jeremy]

I don't understand why so many people are surprised by this. Childress surrendered control of the team to Favre the minute he picked him up at the airport. Everyone knows this. Favre has never been afraid to use the power he has to do what he thinks is best for Favre. Remember several years ago he tried to leverage his return to get TT to aquire Randy Moss and some coaches he wanted. This is not new behavior from Favre for those of us who have been paying attention. The only surprising thing is that Childress dared even attempting to suggest that Favre come out of the game. He should have known that wasn't going to happen.

I don't understand why so many people are bashing Favre and Childress when they have no clue what actually happened.

Favre himself told us what happened. It's all out there for those willing to look for it. People focus on the most recent Favre drama and forget about everything that happened prior. So it's easy to make an excuse for him or place blame elsewhere. It's like with Terrell Owens. He points the finger at somebody else when a relationship goes bad with a teammate. It's Garcia's fault. Then it was McNabb, then it was Romo and Witten. Then it's all a media creation. We're not in the lockerrooms, but after a while it's impossible not to notice a common denominator. If you go back and look at the last two years and even farther back, you'll notice a common denominator.

 

[mozzy84]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Childress has been courting Favre for two years to come to the Vikings. He can ##### and moan all he wants and I'm not defending Favre here but Chili's gotta dance with the girl that brung ya.Childress made the bed and now he's gotta sleep in it.He bought the groceries, now he's gotta cook with what he got.I'm out of analogies...

Yeah, this is the price you pay to bring Favre in, and unless Chilly is even dumber than he appears to be, he had to know this. In Brett they got a much better QB than what they had, but the cost of that is that he owns you. He says you pick me up at the airport, you're picking him up at the airport. Shut up and do what you're told, I'm Brett Favre. So he had to have asked himself: Is it worth it to give up my authority for a QB that gives us a chance to win? You really can't blame him for saying "yes". But then you read some of these reports and you wonder if really understood what he was getting himself into.

lol they are 11-3, already won the north and have the inside track on the #2 spot and he got the coach a contract extension. Pretty sure chilly is happy he brought the guy in no matter what happened last week.

 

[trader jake]

I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Why would the Eagles trade away Donovan McNabb? Especially to another NFC team competing for the Super Bowl?

Interviews with six members of the organization revealed that Childress ripped his offense during halftime Sunday and that he privately unleashed an expletive-laden outburst toward Favre long after the game in the visitors' locker room.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_14038891?nclick_check=1

The offense deserved to get ripped at halftime. Not sure if an expletive filled tirade will reach Favre but I'm guessing he would have received some type of message had Childress sat him down on Sunday Night. Even if that benching was late in the game when it was out of hand.

Now we know why McCarty did not want him back.

McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, want to call the plays and have it be that play and that is all. But, when the QB gets behind center and reads the defense the play called may not be the best option. The only problem I see with Favre audibling "too much" is he may audible to other runs if the defense is strong on one side, audible the blocking to the other side and run the other way. However, Favre has been around long enough to know what defenses look like and if he is going to have single coverage on a fly or quick slant pattern, the odds of gaining yardage between a stacked defense and/or passing route have to be considered. McCarthy, sounds like Childress as well, are much too arrogant to trust their QB to make the correct call. Never heard any of Indianapolis' coaches complain about Manning doing this.

I'll step out on a very think limb and say that's because it's Manning doing this.

To see the difference between Brett Favre and Peyton Manning off the field just take a look at their post game press conferences this week. Favre could have glossed over the discussion with Chilly and helped disarm the situation before it blew up, instead he threw gas on the fire. After his game Manning was asked about playing time for Colts starters week 16. Of course Manning wants to play a full game and go for a perfect season but he said ask Caldwell and stated that whatever decision the head coach makes is the correct one. I believe this speaks volumes about their decision making and directly leads to how much trust their head coaches can rightfully place on them off AND ON the field.

 

[Jeremy]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Childress has been courting Favre for two years to come to the Vikings. He can ##### and moan all he wants and I'm not defending Favre here but Chili's gotta dance with the girl that brung ya.Childress made the bed and now he's gotta sleep in it.He bought the groceries, now he's gotta cook with what he got.I'm out of analogies...

Yeah, this is the price you pay to bring Favre in, and unless Chilly is even dumber than he appears to be, he had to know this. In Brett they got a much better QB than what they had, but the cost of that is that he owns you. He says you pick me up at the airport, you're picking him up at the airport. Shut up and do what you're told, I'm Brett Favre. So he had to have asked himself: Is it worth it to give up my authority for a QB that gives us a chance to win? You really can't blame him for saying "yes". But then you read some of these reports and you wonder if really understood what he was getting himself into.

Minnesota clinched the NFC North with two weeks to go in the season and has only lost 3 on the season. It was a good decision, don't be silly. There's a lot wrong with the team as can be seen by the losses at Ari and @ Car. Still time to fix it, if they can, but I haven't liked what I've seen from the O-line at all this year. Also, Chilly's decision to not aid the LT against Peppers is what killed their offense overall. On a 3 man rush the Panthers were getting pressure without any problem. Can't do anything without stopping that, wideouts were covered well under that kind of scheme.

Oh I agree that it was a good decision. Let I said, you can't blame him for sacrificing his authority for the sake of more wins. It's just that some of these reports would seem to indicate that he doesn't realize Favre is calling the shots and not him. So I'm conflicted on whether or not I should applaud his lack of ego in handing over the reins, or be mystified that he doesn't realize who's really in charge, at least as it relates to the offense.

 

[JuniorNB]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid.

Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.

Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

 

[Mikey16x]

Not really a Favre critic or hater but you have to respect his effort and the way he plays the game... if he wanted to come out, it was time to retire. Have you ever seen a boxing match where the corner throws in the towel and the fighter isn't upset? These guys have it in them, they want to compete.. to criticize a professional athlete for not wanting to finish what he started is a joke in itself, somewhat hypocritical.

 

[trader jake]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid. Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

Coaches shouldn't consider pulling those quarterbacks you listed above because they've proven the past few seasons that they stay physically strong down the stretch and into the playoffs. Favre...not so much. Not saying it made sense to pull him when the score was 7-6 but Childress should have removed Favre from the game at some point on the 4th when he was exposed to unnecessary hits. That was made almost impossible based on Favre's earlier reaction and Chilly's williness to give in to Favre on multiple occasions earlier this season.

Not really a Favre critic or hater but you have to respect his effort and the way he plays the game... if he wanted to come out, it was time to retire. Have you ever seen a boxing match where the corner throws in the towel and the fighter isn't upset? These guys have it in them, they want to compete.. to criticize a professional athlete for not wanting to finish what he started is a joke in itself, somewhat hypocritical.

Nobody questions Brett Favre's toughness and desire to win. That isn't the debate here. Of course no player worth his salt wants to come out of a game but sometimes a head coach has to put what's in the best long-term interest of the team first. Childress and Favre apparently haven't seen eye to eye on that and this includes basic things like playcalling and playing time.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Sounds like there is plenty of blame on both sides here.

 

[dhockster]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid. Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

I don't think Childress wanted to pull Brett out of the Game because of the score and situation of the game; he wanted to pull him out because Brett was changing the plays and it was putting him at a higher risk of getting hurt. Apparently this has happened several times this season. Childress should either follow through on his convictions to take him out, or he should have never brought up the topic for "discussion" with Brett.

 

[jonessed]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid. Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

That's irrelevant. Childress is still the coach. If the coach's gameplan, direction, and authority are now subject to a player's particular feelings on the matter then this team is shot.There is a reason the league doesn't have head coaches that double as players.

 

[Hinezer]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid.

Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.

Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

I don't think Childress wanted to pull Brett out of the Game because of the score and situation of the game; he wanted to pull him out because Brett was changing the plays and it was putting him at a higher risk of getting hurt. Apparently this has happened several times this season. Childress should either follow through on his convictions to take him out, or he should have never brought up the topic for "discussion" with Brett.

Exactly! If he's audibling out of run calls into passes, the proper pass protection might not be there and he might get creamed.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid.

Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.

Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

This is why I believe the decision had more to do with Favre changing all those running plays. Chilly was pissed off. No way do you pull your HOF QB in a situation like this. No way.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Not really a Favre critic or hater but you have to respect his effort and the way he plays the game... if he wanted to come out, it was time to retire. Have you ever seen a boxing match where the corner throws in the towel and the fighter isn't upset? These guys have it in them, they want to compete.. to criticize a professional athlete for not wanting to finish what he started is a joke in itself, somewhat hypocritical.

It is not Farves decision to stay in or come out. That is why Chilly is the head coach, to make the tough decisions during a game.The way the game was going the Vikings would have been better off with Jacksons mobilty, Farve looked 50 years old out there.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I've just become a HUGE Bears fan for this week.

 

[Pipes]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Childress has been courting Favre for two years to come to the Vikings. He can ##### and moan all he wants and I'm not defending Favre here but Chili's gotta dance with the girl that brung ya.Childress made the bed and now he's gotta sleep in it.He bought the groceries, now he's gotta cook with what he got.I'm out of analogies...

Yeah, this is the price you pay to bring Favre in, and unless Chilly is even dumber than he appears to be, he had to know this. In Brett they got a much better QB than what they had, but the cost of that is that he owns you. He says you pick me up at the airport, you're picking him up at the airport. Shut up and do what you're told, I'm Brett Favre. So he had to have asked himself: Is it worth it to give up my authority for a QB that gives us a chance to win? You really can't blame him for saying "yes". But then you read some of these reports and you wonder if really understood what he was getting himself into.

lol they are 11-3, already won the north and have the inside track on the #2 spot and he got the coach a contract extension. Pretty sure chilly is happy he brought the guy in no matter what happened last week.

Minnesota probably has 3 more losses (Balt & SF for sure) and perhaps a GB split without #4 at QB.

 

[Jimmy James]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Well, if Favre stays, the draft is out. So is bringing in a legit free agent. He never forgave Thompson for drafting Rodgers.

I understand that Favre is the guy if Favre stays around. The question was premised on the thought that Favre wouldn't be back, which may or may not be a good premise. As to the question asked below about why the Eagles would trade McNabb, they're going to be put to a decision regarding Kolb vs. McNabb sooner or later. I assume they'd decide that in favor of youth, just like the Packers and Chargers did. What AFC or rebuilding NFC team is going to be receptive to trading for McNabb? Sometimes, you just have to accept that you improve another team's chances in order to improve your own.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Childress is in a tough spot here. He's pretty much the hostage of a prima donna. He's a prima donna I find really entertaining, but it should have been obvious to everyone including Childress that this is just what Favre is. I don't think Childress was bullied into keeping Favre in the game or that he has lost control of his team, but it sounds like it's not far from the sort of situation where Childress might have to pull rank. I'm confident this was more about Childress trying what he could to get Favre to tow the line, not actually wanting to pull his best QB ahead 7-6. We all know you don't do that (unless he flips out). I think the biggest question in my mind here is where the Vikings go for a QB in 2010. I wonder now if it's not time for an Eagles-Vikings trade of McNabb.

Well, if Favre stays, the draft is out. So is bringing in a legit free agent. He never forgave Thompson for drafting Rodgers.

 

[fatness]

But, when the QB gets behind center and reads the defense the play called may not be the best option. The only problem I see with Favre audibling "too much" is he may audible to other runs if the defense is strong on one side, audible the blocking to the other side and run the other way. However, Favre has been around long enough to know what defenses look like and if he is going to have single coverage on a fly or quick slant pattern, the odds of gaining yardage between a stacked defense and/or passing route have to be considered.

Viking drives in the second half:1. 3 plays, 5 yards, 1:05 elapsed

2. 4 plays, 23 yards, 1:28 elapsed

3. 3 plays, 4 yards, 2:34 elapsed

4. 3 plays, -3 yards, 0:57 elapsed

5. 5 plays, 16 yards, 2:23 elapsed

6. 4 plays, 15 yards, 1:10 elapsed

link

Anyone know the pass/run breakdown of those plays? Thanks.

 

[JuniorNB]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid. Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

That's irrelevant. Childress is still the coach. If the coach's gameplan, direction, and authority are now subject to a player's particular feelings on the matter then this team is shot.There is a reason the league doesn't have head coaches that double as players.

he same sitIt's not irrelevant. Jim Caldwell wouldn't be dumb enough to pull Manning, Payton wouldn't be dumb enough to pull Brees, Belichick........you get my point.Childress showed how clueless he is as a coach (just as Caldwell, Belichick, etc would be if they tried something so stupid) and Favre was taking control of the situation. If your argument is that the head coach should have final say, I'm pretty sure you'd find the same situation in Indy if Caldwell decided to overthink things he try to take his MVP-candidate out after a bad half.Good game or bad game, Brett Favre gives the vikings a better chance to win than Tavares Jackson every single time.

 

[jonessed]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid. Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

That's irrelevant. Childress is still the coach. If the coach's gameplan, direction, and authority are now subject to a player's particular feelings on the matter then this team is shot.There is a reason the league doesn't have head coaches that double as players.

he same sitIt's not irrelevant. Jim Caldwell wouldn't be dumb enough to pull Manning, Payton wouldn't be dumb enough to pull Brees, Belichick........you get my point.Childress showed how clueless he is as a coach (just as Caldwell, Belichick, etc would be if they tried something so stupid) and Favre was taking control of the situation. If your argument is that the head coach should have final say, I'm pretty sure you'd find the same situation in Indy if Caldwell decided to overthink things he try to take his MVP-candidate out after a bad half.Good game or bad game, Brett Favre gives the vikings a better chance to win than Tavares Jackson every single time.

Coaches make dumb decisions every week. It doesn't matter. It's their decision to make. A coach has to control 53 players. If his authority no longer has meaning then those 53 players are now rudderless.If the Vikings players lose confidence in Chidress they aren't going anywhere anyway, Favre or no Favre.

 

[cstu]

If the Vikings players lose confidence in Chidress they aren't going anywhere anyway, Favre or no Favre.

I disagree. They may just as likely side with Brett - a fellow player - and trust the guy who has actually won a SB.

 

[CutlerToCutler]

Nice job, Brett. This is so shocking. I would've never thought something like this come from a classy guy like Favre.

Favre = Class, while Childress = control freak. It is awesome seeing you behind Favre in this matter. Good job.

 

[jonessed]

If the Vikings players lose confidence in Chidress they aren't going anywhere anyway, Favre or no Favre.

I disagree. They may just as likely side with Brett - a fellow player - and trust the guy who has actually won a SB.

 

[CutlerToCutler]

Okay, since supposedly Brad Johnson and Gus Frerotte complained that Childress didn't let them audible enough, we can probably conclude that Childress is an offensive control freak. We can also probably conclude that Childress knows this about himself.

So why, in God's name, if you are Brad Childress, do you want to bring in the ultimate gunslinger, I'll do whatever I want, Quarterback?

This confrontation was inevitable and Childress should have known it.

As an Eagles fan, it makes me think back to when Childress was offensive coordinator, and wonder did he hamstring McNabb by not letting him audible when he had opportunities?

While Farve is an egomaniac who wants to win his way so he can get all the glory, I blame Childress for creating this situation.

Yeah. It's all Childress's fault.

I don't think it is all Childress's fault, but he knew what he was getting when he signed Farve. He is trying to control an uncontrollable player, and when he can't, he is doing nothing to punish said uncontrollable player.Farve is a jerk, who only cares about himself, and should only audible out of plays when the defense calls for it, not just because he wants to throw it more so he can look good. The more I think about it, Farve is very similar to TO, he just doesn't have to complain about not getting the ball enough, he can just change plays to the one he wants.

Agree. Due to Favre's selfishness and constant bitterness with his present and former teams, I can't stand the guy. He will throw anyone under the bus that he doesn't agree with. He's a bitter athlete that only makes himself look poorly the longer he's in the league. And don't even try to play backup when Favrere's the starter. You're on an island there.

 

[CutlerToCutler]

Hey Brett ol buddy. I thought this was AP's team? You know, you're just there to contribute and give the team the best chance to win, even if it means you don't throw the ball that much. yeah right

 

[JuniorNB]

Steve Young agreed with Favre on ESPN. You're winning 7-6 and want to take out your HOF quarterback who's having an MVP-like season? Just stupid. Coaches wouldn't consider pulling Manning, Brady, Rivers, or Brees in that situation, so they'd never have to answer to claims of being Prima Donnas, but I can guarantee you that they'd have done the exact same thing.Good for Favre and even more reason that Childress should never have an NFL head coaching job.

That's irrelevant. Childress is still the coach. If the coach's gameplan, direction, and authority are now subject to a player's particular feelings on the matter then this team is shot.There is a reason the league doesn't have head coaches that double as players.

he same sitIt's not irrelevant. Jim Caldwell wouldn't be dumb enough to pull Manning, Payton wouldn't be dumb enough to pull Brees, Belichick........you get my point.Childress showed how clueless he is as a coach (just as Caldwell, Belichick, etc would be if they tried something so stupid) and Favre was taking control of the situation. If your argument is that the head coach should have final say, I'm pretty sure you'd find the same situation in Indy if Caldwell decided to overthink things he try to take his MVP-candidate out after a bad half.Good game or bad game, Brett Favre gives the vikings a better chance to win than Tavares Jackson every single time.

Coaches make dumb decisions every week. It doesn't matter. It's their decision to make. A coach has to control 53 players. If his authority no longer has meaning then those 53 players are now rudderless.If the Vikings players lose confidence in Chidress they aren't going anywhere anyway, Favre or no Favre.

If the Vikings coach makes snap decision to play Tavares Jackson in one-point games, the Vikings aren't going anywhere. Favre was saving Childress from himself.