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China: Will Biden address/end tariffs. Will the Uyghurs situation get attention (through proposed sanctions, UN, G8+5, other)? (1 Viewer)

Rattle and Hum

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China seems to be a big issue moving forward. An arguable view is the tariffs (even if warranted) got things off on the wrong foot between U.S. and China. How a developed world allows the Uyghur situation is a head scratcher to me but I'd like to learn more. What's going to happen with China relations/prominence over the next 8 years?

 
Rattle and Hum said:
China seems to be a big issue moving forward. An arguable view is the tariffs (even if warranted) got things off on the wrong foot between U.S. and China. How a developed world allows the Uyghur situation is a head scratcher to me but I'd like to learn more. What's going to happen with China relations/prominence over the next 8 years?


War between the US and China is inevitable. They key strategic points will be Taiwan, naturally, and Africa.

Taiwan is one of the largest manufacturing investors in mainland China and has angered Big Red by doing more business abroad. This is simply the best model of survival for those businesses but you can't mix hard line ideology with real day to day logic.

What the US needs to do is trigger a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. It would decimate Chinese relations in all of Asia and also globally. The Chinese economy would take massive hits and there would be civil war. US Special Forces and MI6 would need to teach local recruits the basics of asymmetrical warfare.  Tier 1 US targets would be our ports, our major financial districts, our major trucking hubs and our orbital satellites. China needs to ID and kill our Project Thor type platforms. They would also need to take out our carrier groups to have a fighting chance.

China is looking to build a stronghold in Africa and their investment strategy leads that way. The US needs to have an established QRF based there as well as a regular rotating submarine group nearby.

The fight will happen in our lifetimes. Those of us living near major ports are very likely dead when China uses a first strike based on already placed independent cells going full weapons free. That's the point where the US needs to show true resolve. China will use chemical weapons against the US eventually so America needs to use it's Project Thor platforms to decimate all of China's major population centers. You want China to turn it's greatest strength into it's greatest weakness. Relentless nationalism and a condescending view of the rest of the world might keep the ideology pure but it will also force over aggression tactically in the name of "saving face"  The US wants China to be enraged and make mistakes of trying to reset the dominant narrative in the world media cycle. Since America is still the world's "bread basket" and can leverage that, the other nations will fall into line because China will steam roll through them to take out all potential American allies. The rest of the free world will declare war on China because you marry the Beta to get revenge on the wayward Alpha.

I would need 50 good men, a couple of cases of suppressed SR-25s, a case of suppressed UMP45s,  half a dozen Go Fast boats, a couple thousand pounds of PE8 and a couple of 81mm mortars. I could theoretically set the trigger in motion in a three week time frame. They're lucky I'm old as #### , because a Prime Gekko could have done it in ten days.

Get off the tracks, because this train is coming through.

 
Rattle and Hum said:
China seems to be a big issue moving forward. An arguable view is the tariffs (even if warranted) got things off on the wrong foot between U.S. and China. How a developed world allows the Uyghur situation is a head scratcher to me but I'd like to learn more. What's going to happen with China relations/prominence over the next 8 years?
The world has allowed many many atrocities over the years.   Bosnia.  Rwanda.  Just to name a couple.

 
These tariffs continue to be one of the worst economic policy decisions I can think up.  That's on Trump for creating them and Biden for continuing them.  If the world wants to deal with China, they do it with a collective of countries pushing back on them together, united...very much like they are with Russia.  This DOES NOT mean the same steps/tactics are to  be used.  That's not what I'm saying.  The world needs to cull this as a collective group.  Change would happen rather quickly if we took that approach.

 
These tariffs continue to be one of the worst economic policy decisions I can think up.  That's on Trump for creating them and Biden for continuing them.  If the world wants to deal with China, they do it with a collective of countries pushing back on them together, united...very much like they are with Russia.  This DOES NOT mean the same steps/tactics are to  be used.  That's not what I'm saying.  The world needs to cull this as a collective group.  Change would happen rather quickly if we took that approach.
I still wonder where we would have been had we just stuck with TPP.  Aligned with other Pacific Rim countries in trying to lessen China's power.

But yea...right now, its on Biden for not ending what was an awful move that has hurt Americans when it comes to costs.

 
I still wonder where we would have been had we just stuck with TPP.  Aligned with other Pacific Rim countries in trying to lessen China's power.

But yea...right now, its on Biden for not ending what was an awful move that has hurt Americans when it comes to costs.
TPP has sovereignty issuses that were a non starter for me, but the concept in general was on the right path. 

 

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