Chris Henry (xBengal) (1 Viewer)

[gordon gekko]

Where will he sign? Any rumors other than the one he was at Bengals camp?

 

[Andy Herron]

With that suspension hanging over his head, he doesn't really present any value to anybody right now. Everybody is preparing for the season, and he obviously can't bring any immediate help. The only scenario I can think of is if somebody is interested enough, they may wanna take a flyer on him in the back half of the season in order for him to serve out his suspension this year and be ready to go in 2009. As to "who," it's anybody's guess.

I wouldn't be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for it though.

 

[Warhogs]

I thought someone had posted on here a short while back about possibly the Cowboys or Bengals?

 

[Andy Herron]

He's not coming to Dallas. Jerry Jones responded with a very clear and emphatic "no" when asked about it.

There was a report that the Bengals were considering bringing him back, but Marvin Lewis shot it down.

 

[FFdork]

I think no one takes a chance yet with the suspension.

I would think that the first Superbowl contender to suffer a serious injury at the WR position is your lead contender. Especially if it's a team that takes chances on guys (e.g. Dallas).

Even the teams that talk a good game about only wanting 'character guys' will start to backpedal if they see a good season going down the tubes. Talented guys like this get chance after chance, even in the Roger "the Hammer" era.

 

[gordon gekko]

With that suspension hanging over his head, he doesn't really present any value to anybody right now. Everybody is preparing for the season, and he obviously can't bring any immediate help. The only scenario I can think of is if somebody is interested enough, they may wanna take a flyer on him in the back half of the season in order for him to serve out his suspension this year and be ready to go in 2009. As to "who," it's anybody's guess.I wouldn't be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for it though.

in drafts (that are being done right now) that don't have transactions, he could present some major value in the 2nd half of the season. Yes/No?

 

[T Bell]

I think no one takes a chance yet with the suspension.I would think that the first Superbowl contender to suffer a serious injury at the WR position is your lead contender. Especially if it's a team that takes chances on guys (e.g. Dallas).Even the teams that talk a good game about only wanting 'character guys' will start to backpedal if they see a good season going down the tubes. Talented guys like this get chance after chance, even in the Roger "the Hammer" era.

I agree otherwise, but the "chance" is not related to the suspension, because you know exactly what that situation is. It would have been a "chance" before the suspension was announced, but now the only unknown quantity is his character, as always. With the suspected front runners for his services apparently out of the running, I agree that we have to wait and see what teams suffer serious injuries at the WR position.

 

[Fallerjw]

Player News (last updated: August 5, 2008) Henry was given a four-game suspension from the NFL

I would think somebody would give him a shot. He'll be available for 12 games this year.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

Player News (last updated: August 5, 2008) Henry was given a four-game suspension from the NFLI would think somebody would give him a shot. He'll be available for 12 games this year.

4 games from the time he is signed? And he has not been invited to anyones camp. hummmmcorrect me if I am wrong here. Say NE signs him week 6 when Moss hammie acts up again. That would make him elgible week 10.. Am I right?

 

[nflguru]

Henry is surrounded by two very good receivers in housh and cj.. as a slot/wr3 with Palmer throwing he has value (good speed and can stretch the field..) In the above mentioned NE scenario I could see the same value.. yes week 10 available (I believe)

The difficulty is that he cannot stay out of trouble which makes it risky..

 

[T Bell]

Player News (last updated: August 5, 2008) Henry was given a four-game suspension from the NFLI would think somebody would give him a shot. He'll be available for 12 games this year.

4 games from the time he is signed? And he has not been invited to anyones camp. hummmmcorrect me if I am wrong here. Say NE signs him week 6 when Moss hammie acts up again. That would make him elgible week 10.. Am I right?

No, I think the way it works is that the suspension occurs and the games proceed independently of his contract situation. Remember, he's the one being punished, not a team.

 

[jevy]

At what date is a contract guaranteed for the year? The day before the regular season?

My guess is that someone signs Henry a day or 2 later. If he gets into trouble, they can cut him without owing him money for the year.

 

[Andy Herron]

At what date is a contract guaranteed for the year? The day before the regular season?My guess is that someone signs Henry a day or 2 later. If he gets into trouble, they can cut him without owing him money for the year.

Contracts are guaranteed if a player is on the opening day roster...only.

 

[Andy Herron]

Player News (last updated: August 5, 2008) Henry was given a four-game suspension from the NFLI would think somebody would give him a shot. He'll be available for 12 games this year.

4 games from the time he is signed? And he has not been invited to anyones camp. hummmmcorrect me if I am wrong here. Say NE signs him week 6 when Moss hammie acts up again. That would make him elgible week 10.. Am I right?

No, I think the way it works is that the suspension occurs and the games proceed independently of his contract situation. Remember, he's the one being punished, not a team.

Not sure if I follow you there Tatum. In any case, upon being signed, he will serve his 4-game suspension from then forward. He would presumably be eligible to play a month out from being signed. Bye weeks don't count. It's a 4-game suspension, not necessarily 4 weeks.

 

[Andy Herron]

I think no one takes a chance yet with the suspension.I would think that the first Superbowl contender to suffer a serious injury at the WR position is your lead contender. Especially if it's a team that takes chances on guys (e.g. Dallas).

Dallas will bring back Terry Glenn LONG before they look at Chris Henry, I can assure you.They left that door open with Glenn.

 

[Andy Herron]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them.

O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:

T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.

Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.

Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).

Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"

Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.

Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.

What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."

Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent.

Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words.

Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

 

[T Bell]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

 

[Andy Herron]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?...and to the "homer" remark, simply stating facts doesn't necessarily qualify me as a homer.No offense though.

 

[T Bell]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

So now PacMan's in Dallas which is known for it's lack of meatheads? Nope, it's not clear at all. Both guys are clowns. I'm glad you got the one you like, but it doesn't change that fact.BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

 

[Vicktimized]

He wants to sign with New Orleans....he went to Belle Chasse high school and grew up there.

Whether the Saints bite is to be determined, but he's said as much publically. I think there's a quote out there on it.

 

[Andy Herron]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

 

[Andy Herron]

He wants to sign with New Orleans....he went to Belle Chasse high school and grew up there.Whether the Saints bite is to be determined, but he's said as much publically. I think there's a quote out there on it.

I do recall seeing that.

 

[Andy Herron]

With that suspension hanging over his head, he doesn't really present any value to anybody right now. Everybody is preparing for the season, and he obviously can't bring any immediate help. The only scenario I can think of is if somebody is interested enough, they may wanna take a flyer on him in the back half of the season in order for him to serve out his suspension this year and be ready to go in 2009. As to "who," it's anybody's guess.I wouldn't be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for it though.

in drafts (that are being done right now) that don't have transactions, he could present some major value in the 2nd half of the season. Yes/No?

Depends on the size of your roster, but I wouldn't unless he's signed when you draft, but I don't see that happening.

 

[T Bell]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

 

[Andy Herron]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

Dude, you just don't get it.Football is a business, and your players are your prime assets and investments.You take care of them.

 

[T Bell]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

Dude, you just don't get it.Football is a business, and your players are your prime assets and investments.You take care of them.

Yeah, but it sounds like Dallas is baby-sitting them. There's a difference.

 

[Joe Bryant]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

Dude, you just don't get it.Football is a business, and your players are your prime assets and investments.You take care of them.

Yeah, but it sounds like Dallas is baby-sitting them. There's a difference.

How is it different?Protecting your assets by keeping them out of trouble seems like smart business to me. I'm surprised more teams don't go this route.J

 

[T Bell]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

Dude, you just don't get it.Football is a business, and your players are your prime assets and investments.You take care of them.

Yeah, but it sounds like Dallas is baby-sitting them. There's a difference.

How is it different?Protecting your assets by keeping them out of trouble seems like smart business to me. I'm surprised more teams don't go this route.J

Smarter business is avoiding the acquisition and retention of head cases, no?

 

[Andy Herron]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

Dude, you just don't get it.Football is a business, and your players are your prime assets and investments.You take care of them.

Yeah, but it sounds like Dallas is baby-sitting them. There's a difference.

How is it different?Protecting your assets by keeping them out of trouble seems like smart business to me. I'm surprised more teams don't go this route.J

Exactly.

 

[Joe Bryant]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

Dude, you just don't get it.Football is a business, and your players are your prime assets and investments.You take care of them.

Yeah, but it sounds like Dallas is baby-sitting them. There's a difference.

How is it different?Protecting your assets by keeping them out of trouble seems like smart business to me. I'm surprised more teams don't go this route.J

Smarter business is avoiding the acquisition and retention of head cases, no?

That's a totally different issue. Smart business is taking care of the assets you currently have. Regardless of how they got there.And sure, I don't know any organization that doesn't try on the front end to hire good people and will sometimes take what may be a "chance" on a guy with upside that justifies the concern. That's pretty standard.J

 

[bentley]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?

BTW, I think it's hilarious that you're touting Calvin Hill's program with the Cowboys. Bragging about that would be like Philly fans bragging about how the Vet was the safest stadium in the country because it had a jail in the basement.

That makes no sense whatsoever and doesn't correlate at all.

I agree, bragging about it makes no sense because it means that yours is a team that actually has a need for employing "a consultant specializing in monitoring troubled players". Wow, what a first class organization!!!!

Dude, you just don't get it.Football is a business, and your players are your prime assets and investments.You take care of them.

Yeah, but it sounds like Dallas is baby-sitting them. There's a difference.

How is it different?Protecting your assets by keeping them out of trouble seems like smart business to me. I'm surprised more teams don't go this route.J

Smarter business is avoiding the acquisition and retention of head cases, no?

If you have a program that keeps them out of trouble in the future, then you can get fantastic value from these head cases because you're getting them for a lot less than what their talent is worth. It's a great idea.

 

[PatsWillWin]

These type of players with "issues" have to be taken in a case-by-case basis. Just because one particular team will bring in one or more of them is by no means an indication they will take any and all of them. O.K., let's let the curtain down. We're talking about Dallas. Let's look at the players:T.O.- Everybody (nearly) was up in arms when Dallas signed him. OMG, he's going to blow them up too. Not the case, he's as happy as a pig in mud.Why? Because Jerry knows how to treat his players, and he PAYS them. That was essentially always T.O.'s issue.Tank Johnson- To begin with, I think his issue was overblown. No issues here (in Dallas).Terry Glenn- Boy, did this guy ever gain a bad reputation over the years. Here? No problems, and he gave his all. Why do you think he's a "Parcells guy?"Adam Jones- Obviously, the jury is out. With how the trend has moved here in Dallas, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say he's figured it out and will "grow up" and mature. I think that's his biggest issue. His deal was being with the wrong people at the wrong time.Chris Henry? He IS wrong people.What is it (comedian) Ron White says? "You can't fix stupid."Dallas has a program in place led by former Cowboy Calvin Hill (yes, Grant's dad) that is a top-flight program departmentalized to specifically deal with these players and seeing that they get the appropriate instruction and/or counciling that they need. Success isn't built on the field alone, and this is why Dallas is a top-flight organization. They're built from the front office to the locker room in talent. Look at Drew Rosenhaus and the publicity and reputation he has in doing his negotiations and dealings. Ever a problem in Dallas? No. Why? "Because they get it, and know how to do business." Rosenhaus's words. Again, it's a business, and that's why Jerry Jones is so good at it.

Andy, you're a hopeless homer when it comes to things Cowboys.Please give me a good rationale for why Chris Henry's demonstrated stupidity is any worse than Adam Jones, such that Jones is a good gamble for Dallas and Henry is not. I can see how TO and Glenn are different, and maybe even how Tank Johnson is different, but I don't see any real difference between those two.

I was waiting for this, and it's quite simple.All of Chris Henry's acts were solo acts. Pacman's weren't. He was just there. Albeit not innocent entirely.In addition, Henry was charged and indicted on numerous occasions. Pacman wasn't.Clear enough?...and to the "homer" remark, simply stating facts doesn't necessarily qualify me as a homer.No offense though.

Wow what an arbitrary difference to try and point out.

 

[Jackal King]

Player News (last updated: August 5, 2008) Henry was given a four-game suspension from the NFLI would think somebody would give him a shot. He'll be available for 12 games this year.

4 games from the time he is signed? And he has not been invited to anyones camp. hummmmcorrect me if I am wrong here. Say NE signs him week 6 when Moss hammie acts up again. That would make him elgible week 10.. Am I right?

No, I think the way it works is that the suspension occurs and the games proceed independently of his contract situation. Remember, he's the one being punished, not a team.

Not sure if I follow you there Tatum. In any case, upon being signed, he will serve his 4-game suspension from then forward. He would presumably be eligible to play a month out from being signed. Bye weeks don't count. It's a 4-game suspension, not necessarily 4 weeks.

I too was under the impression that the suspension was independent of his signing....and regardless of 'when' he signs, that he'd be able to play after week 4.Does anyone have a link that implies the suspension starts 'after he signs'?

 

[plymkr]

Player News (last updated: August 5, 2008) Henry was given a four-game suspension from the NFLI would think somebody would give him a shot. He'll be available for 12 games this year.

4 games from the time he is signed? And he has not been invited to anyones camp. hummmmcorrect me if I am wrong here. Say NE signs him week 6 when Moss hammie acts up again. That would make him elgible week 10.. Am I right?

No, I think the way it works is that the suspension occurs and the games proceed independently of his contract situation. Remember, he's the one being punished, not a team.

Not sure if I follow you there Tatum. In any case, upon being signed, he will serve his 4-game suspension from then forward. He would presumably be eligible to play a month out from being signed. Bye weeks don't count. It's a 4-game suspension, not necessarily 4 weeks.

I too was under the impression that the suspension was independent of his signing....and regardless of 'when' he signs, that he'd be able to play after week 4.Does anyone have a link that implies the suspension starts 'after he signs'?

As long as the team he signs w/ has not had their bye week. If he signed w/ a team that had a bye week already, it would be week 6 (eligible to play).At least that is how it worked w/ Tank Johnson last year.