This is my choice and I am really having a hard time deciding. There are injury concerns with Mathews (not sure if deserved), and also people saying he is in the best shape of his career this year. Then there is CJ with his awful year last year but this year he has rededicated himself according to coaches and even the owner. So between the 2 who would you draft in the first round and why?
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Chris Johnson vs. Ryan Mathews (PPR) (1 Viewer)
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Yea I'm all in on Mathews as well. I know that he has had some injury problems his first two seasons, but that has been overstated a little bit (only missed 2 games last year and WILL play hurt). He was a top 10 RB last year even while missing time and is due for an even bigger workload this season with Tolbert now out of the picture (this has also been shoved down the media's throat all offseason). Mathews in all likelihood receives more touches and has more TD potential than CJ. They are back to back in my rankings, but I have Mathews as a tier 1 guy with CJ leading tier 2.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Is this the AC forum? My bad I most be in the wrong place, thought the door said Shark Pool
Mathews should be the consensus choice.
I'll leave this in the Shark Pool because there's nothing about the OP's scoring system or any other league-specific considerations. Consider it a general question about the relative merits of each fantasy player.
I'll leave this in the Shark Pool because there's nothing about the OP's scoring system or any other league-specific considerations. Consider it a general question about the relative merits of each fantasy player.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Congrats you can't run your team on your own, search for relevant information on your own, but you were able to get a who should I draft ? In the shark pool. Did you want us to draft the rest of your team too? Please let us know who you are deciding from in round 2?Isn't much of the fun of this game going with your gut and picking your guys? Isn't the value of this MB mining for info? I'm sure if you weren't so lazy you could dig up all sorts of info and make your own educated guess. If you can't even get past the 1st round without help why bother?the question is pretty simple. Either you buy that CJ is back to his old self which everyone is reporting or you buy that Matthews will be able to handle a huge workload. IF you are buying both, who has the bigger upside? Nobody knows for sure. Your guess is as good as anyone's...
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drfeelgood
Footballguy
Isn't PPR specific?
The point of this place is to bounce ideas off each other and share different perspectives. You are being a ####. Simple
I couldn't agree more. Loose Circuts, relax bud. Tell us who you'd pick and why and we will re-evaluate at the end of the year. From the idea that we all have "different perspectives"
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msommer
Footballguy
IMHO you chose poorly. But, I don't count, your standing at the end of the year does
loose circuits
Footballguy
If everyone who faces a difficult decision started a thread about them; would there be any room left on the board?Between this; the Newton v Stafford that is probably worse, and the Hillman v Miller thread I'm just sick of seeing them. How hard is it to take this over to AC forum? I spend time over there from time-to-time just to help. I thought that is where these belong. Where do we draw the line?'xenon said:
Instinctive
Footballguy
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Loose Circuts, please tell us what you'd like to see fill the Shark Pool? The floor is yours.The OP asked a reasonable question. Yes, there are tons of opinions on this site about both players. Now the OP is asking for your choice of the two. Answer or don't, pretty simple.I'm tired of seeing all of the wanna be MB cops. The MODs can handle this pretty well and certainly better than you did with your initial response.
zilladog
Footballguy
Even if people were trying to sneak in draft advice with all the "player x vs. player y" threads, they're still great threads for the shark pool because a great way to evaluate a player is to put him up against another player in the same tier. It offers perspective on both players and I believe adds a lot to the discussion. Totally shark pool worthy IMO.
Oh and Matthews all day. 50 receptions last year are likely to increase with a larger overall workload.
Oh and Matthews all day. 50 receptions last year are likely to increase with a larger overall workload.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
game discussionsplayer discussionsdepth chart/ battlesvalue plays/sleepersstatistical analysisthose type of thingsI'd even take general player rankingsFWIW, you wouldn't have to see "MB cops" if people adhered to not posting this type of crap here. The AC forum is made for exactly that. If you want discussion on who you should draft, if you should trade joe for bob it should be over there. Would be beneficial if everyone who likes this type of stuff, spent time over there so we didn't have to have these type of discussions. It is clear that the OP is asking a who should I draft question in his PPR league while the message at the top of the page is explicit in advising that any questions asking who should i draft should be taken to the AC forum. Spend time over there. The more people that go over there, the less likely this crap ends up here.Loose Circuts, please tell us what you'd like to see fill the Shark Pool? The floor is yours.The OP asked a reasonable question. Yes, there are tons of opinions on this site about both players. Now the OP is asking for your choice of the two. Answer or don't, pretty simple.I'm tired of seeing all of the wanna be MB cops. The MODs can handle this pretty well and certainly better than you did with your initial response.
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Shutout
Footballguy
Maybe both you guys (or all of us from time to time) need to go back and review Joe's guidelines on posting in the SP.
The rule of thumb for the Shark Pool here is "Make it applicable to everyone". I hate to break it to you but most people in the Shark Pool don't care about your team. They care about football. If the focus of your post is your team, it won't work.
I can't read a post these days without somebody (or several) slipping in a "Yeah, I traded him last week and got this *pat me on the back*" or something else that generally steers toward a person's team. If we are going to go by the Letter of the LAW then there is a TON that doesn't belong here. But why get so wrapped up about it? Let it go. Sometimes one discussion spurs another really good one and if nothing else, it brings traffic.
General Draft Strategy and player discussions are great. Discussing where you rank Preist Holmes and debating whether he is the right pick at #2 over Alexander or maybe Manning is a good thread. Just make it a general discussion where everyone can be involved and have an interest. I know there's sometimes a blurry line between a general strategy question and a thinly veiled "who should I draft?" post. Nothing I can do about that. But if you want the post to stick, make it applicable to everyone.
#2. Keep the personal attacks way down. I understand it's football and you're passionate. I am too. But I'm seeing the tool factor going way up in some of these posts and we can't have it. Disagree, argue, debate, support, critique whatever. But if you can't keep from calling the other guy a dumb###, you won't be posting here. This is the time of year when I have 10,000 urgent things to do every day. So please don't push this.
A LOT of people should read this one every day before they type a first word.
The rule of thumb for the Shark Pool here is "Make it applicable to everyone". I hate to break it to you but most people in the Shark Pool don't care about your team. They care about football. If the focus of your post is your team, it won't work.
I can't read a post these days without somebody (or several) slipping in a "Yeah, I traded him last week and got this *pat me on the back*" or something else that generally steers toward a person's team. If we are going to go by the Letter of the LAW then there is a TON that doesn't belong here. But why get so wrapped up about it? Let it go. Sometimes one discussion spurs another really good one and if nothing else, it brings traffic.
General Draft Strategy and player discussions are great. Discussing where you rank Preist Holmes and debating whether he is the right pick at #2 over Alexander or maybe Manning is a good thread. Just make it a general discussion where everyone can be involved and have an interest. I know there's sometimes a blurry line between a general strategy question and a thinly veiled "who should I draft?" post. Nothing I can do about that. But if you want the post to stick, make it applicable to everyone.
#2. Keep the personal attacks way down. I understand it's football and you're passionate. I am too. But I'm seeing the tool factor going way up in some of these posts and we can't have it. Disagree, argue, debate, support, critique whatever. But if you can't keep from calling the other guy a dumb###, you won't be posting here. This is the time of year when I have 10,000 urgent things to do every day. So please don't push this.
A LOT of people should read this one every day before they type a first word.
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death of the cool
Footballguy
I don't understand what the problem with this thread is....
I have been on many fantasy message boards that would have threads comparing players of similar rankings to get feedback on what the majority are thinking.
We are comparing Chris Johnson vs Ryan Mathews because that is a major decision that many will face after the 1st 3 RB's are gone. Even the admin left the the discussion in the shark pool, that should be the end of it there.
As for the subject, while I do feel that CJ will bounce back and have a very solid year, I would still go with Mathews....
Mathews was in the top 10 RB last year while missing 2 games and without receiving much of the goal line duties and 3rd down duties that Tolbert was taking away.
Mathews had 50 catches last year(57 for CJ), and I expect Mathews catches to increase without Tolbert stealing 54 catches....I could see Mathews in the 70 catch range if healthy.
Mathews also has the 3rd easiest RB schedule based on FFtoolbox rankings while CJ has the toughest RB schedule (32nd)
I also consider the SD offense to be more productive than the Tenn offense, which will lead to more scoring chances.
The one knock on Mathews is injuries, but when he is in there he produces big....If you feel comfortable that Mathews will stay healthy...he has to be the choice IMO.
I have been on many fantasy message boards that would have threads comparing players of similar rankings to get feedback on what the majority are thinking.
We are comparing Chris Johnson vs Ryan Mathews because that is a major decision that many will face after the 1st 3 RB's are gone. Even the admin left the the discussion in the shark pool, that should be the end of it there.
As for the subject, while I do feel that CJ will bounce back and have a very solid year, I would still go with Mathews....
Mathews was in the top 10 RB last year while missing 2 games and without receiving much of the goal line duties and 3rd down duties that Tolbert was taking away.
Mathews had 50 catches last year(57 for CJ), and I expect Mathews catches to increase without Tolbert stealing 54 catches....I could see Mathews in the 70 catch range if healthy.
Mathews also has the 3rd easiest RB schedule based on FFtoolbox rankings while CJ has the toughest RB schedule (32nd)
I also consider the SD offense to be more productive than the Tenn offense, which will lead to more scoring chances.
The one knock on Mathews is injuries, but when he is in there he produces big....If you feel comfortable that Mathews will stay healthy...he has to be the choice IMO.
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Grady Wilson
Footballguy
So instead of ignoring the thread entirely, you whine not once, but multiple occasions in this thread about where the question should belong. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Carry on...
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Perfect! Player discussions. The OP asked why you'd draft Mathews over CJ2K or vice versa. Please discuss.game discussionsplayer discussionsdepth chart/ battlesvalue plays/sleepersstatistical analysisthose type of thingsI'd even take general player rankingsFWIW, you wouldn't have to see "MB cops" if people adhered to not posting this type of crap here. The AC forum is made for exactly that. If you want discussion on who you should draft, if you should trade joe for bob it should be over there. Would be beneficial if everyone who likes this type of stuff, spent time over there so we didn't have to have these type of discussions. It is clear that the OP is asking a who should I draft question in his PPR league while the message at the top of the page is explicit in advising that any questions asking who should i draft should be taken to the AC forum. Spend time over there. The more people that go over there, the less likely this crap ends up here.Loose Circuts, please tell us what you'd like to see fill the Shark Pool? The floor is yours.The OP asked a reasonable question. Yes, there are tons of opinions on this site about both players. Now the OP is asking for your choice of the two. Answer or don't, pretty simple.I'm tired of seeing all of the wanna be MB cops. The MODs can handle this pretty well and certainly better than you did with your initial response.
And the mods called this SP worthy. End of discussion.For my input, I'd go with the guy who HAS posted a 2000 yard season over all the talent/promise/opportunity in the world.
