Chris Redman=Renaissance Man (1 Viewer)

[RoosterScott]

Redman will probably enter the season as the favorite to win the starting gig in ATL. This year's QB class is not as everyone thinks. If ATL is smart they will draft Jake Long in the #3 hole and snag a QB in the 2nd or 3rd to groom. Redman is more than capable of revitalizing this offense. If they land Turner it's only going to make things easier on the QB. Redman gets ZERO respect from footballguys and most dyansty leagues. I believe this guy is for real and has the skills to prosper as a late bloomer in the NFL. There's always a few feel good stories in the NFL and this has potential. Warner, Garcia, Green, Kitna, etc were all late bloomers. With QBs blossoming later in their careers this could be a bargain at 2.5 million a year. In my opinion their isn't a QB worthy of a top 5 pick in this year's draft. Redman=Renaissance

 

[cstu]

I've been thinking the same thing.

 

[B Maverick]

Redman did well last year and would be worth holding onto as a year or two guy to groom a rook behind. Whether its ryan or a 2nd rder who knows. Henne maybe in the 2nd?

Time to build and signing turner to go with norwood, grooming a rook and going with long would be a great start

 

[Mr. Yuk]

What about Method Man, is he going to get a shot somewhere?

 

[RoosterScott]

Falcons pass on QB Ryan and draft a big DT for Smith's defense....solid prediction. Redman=RESPECT THE MAN!

 

[aposulli]

Falcons pass on QB Ryan and draft a big DT for Smith's defense....solid prediction. Redman=RESPECT THE MAN!

Okay, so they have Harrington and Redman... is there a chance Harrington gets cut?They are almost certainly going to add someone VIA the Draft (Ryan, Brohm?) or FA (Culpepper?) who will have a chance to compete for the starting job.I think it's most likely they hang on to Harrington and add Ryan with the 3rd overall pick.If this ends up happening, I think Redman starts Week 1, but how long can he hold off Ryan, who I believe is more NFL-ready than most Rookies.

 

[comfortably numb]

Falcons pass on QB Ryan and draft a big DT for Smith's defense....solid prediction. Redman=RESPECT THE MAN!

Okay, so they have Harrington and Redman... is there a chance Harrington gets cut?They are almost certainly going to add someone VIA the Draft (Ryan, Brohm?) or FA (Culpepper?) who will have a chance to compete for the starting job.

I think it's most likely they hang on to Harrington and add Ryan with the 3rd overall pick.

If this ends up happening, I think Redman starts Week 1, but how long can he hold off Ryan, who I believe is more NFL-ready than most Rookies.

Yes!Good call

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I've been thinking the same thing.

make that 3 of us. I'd pass on Ryan and take J.Long too.

 

[livetogo4sub4]

Redman will probably enter the season as the favorite to win the starting gig in ATL. This year's QB class is not as everyone thinks. If ATL is smart they will draft Jake Long in the #3 hole and snag a QB in the 2nd or 3rd to groom. Redman is more than capable of revitalizing this offense. If they land Turner it's only going to make things easier on the QB. Redman gets ZERO respect from footballguys and most dyansty leagues. I believe this guy is for real and has the skills to prosper as a late bloomer in the NFL. There's always a few feel good stories in the NFL and this has potential. Warner, Garcia, Green, Kitna, etc were all late bloomers. With QBs blossoming later in their careers this could be a bargain at 2.5 million a year. In my opinion their isn't a QB worthy of a top 5 pick in this year's draft. Redman=Renaissance

Redman owner hoping for the best!

 

[Sweet Love]

I liked Chris Redman better when his name was Tommy Maddux.

 

[The Man With No Name]

I just know that as soon as the Ravens get rid of Kyle Boller I'm going to try and acquire him in both of my dynasty leagues.

 

[Couch Potato]

I just know that as soon as the Ravens get rid of Kyle Boller I'm going to try and acquire him in both of my dynasty leagues.

Always good to load up on pro Bollers.

 

[FUBAR]

I honestly don't know if Ryan is the next coming of Montana or Couch. But I'm kinda hoping the Falcons don't go for him and trade down. I'd like to see us build in the trenches and look for a Henne or Flacco in the later rounds. I think there's a good chance that Redman could hold the fort for a couple of seasons.

Wow is all I can say to that. Anyway. Ryan is probably the best of the bunch at QB and even if he isn't a prospect who would normally go in the 1st rd, he will go in the 1st this year just because of supply and demand.

See how much all of them move up and down after the combine but at least 1 QB will go top 5 and maybe 2 in the top 10 just because teams feel the need to have a "1ST RD qb OF THE FUTURE".

Why? He performed well when he had the opportunity (if you black out the TB game ). The main reason he didn't remain the starter with the Ravens was more injury than performance. At least, that's how I understood, I'm willing to be corrected if wrong. If you're going to draft a QB, and you want to have him sit for at least one season, who else is there? McNabb, if he can gotten cheap, ok. Other than that, Harrington? Leftwich? I'll take Redman, he at least earned a shot, IMO.

Anyway, enough with the hi-jack, carry on.

Redman is like picking a Big Mac. Best on the menu, but I'm going elsewhere. He played fairly well against the 30th ranked passing D, the 28th, and a Seattle D ranked #19 that IIRC was also resting players. His game, coming off the bench, against the Rams (#21) was alright.

He could hold it down for one year, more likely part of the year, but Atlanta's biggest need is QB. If they're in a spot to get Ryan, they do it.

Is anyone really impressed with Redman?

 

[PatrickT]

I honestly don't know if Ryan is the next coming of Montana or Couch. But I'm kinda hoping the Falcons don't go for him and trade down. I'd like to see us build in the trenches and look for a Henne or Flacco in the later rounds. I think there's a good chance that Redman could hold the fort for a couple of seasons.

Wow is all I can say to that. Anyway. Ryan is probably the best of the bunch at QB and even if he isn't a prospect who would normally go in the 1st rd, he will go in the 1st this year just because of supply and demand.

See how much all of them move up and down after the combine but at least 1 QB will go top 5 and maybe 2 in the top 10 just because teams feel the need to have a "1ST RD qb OF THE FUTURE".

Why? He performed well when he had the opportunity (if you black out the TB game ). The main reason he didn't remain the starter with the Ravens was more injury than performance. At least, that's how I understood, I'm willing to be corrected if wrong. If you're going to draft a QB, and you want to have him sit for at least one season, who else is there? McNabb, if he can gotten cheap, ok. Other than that, Harrington? Leftwich? I'll take Redman, he at least earned a shot, IMO.

Anyway, enough with the hi-jack, carry on.

Redman is like picking a Big Mac. Best on the menu, but I'm going elsewhere. He played fairly well against the 30th ranked passing D, the 28th, and a Seattle D ranked #19 that IIRC was also resting players. His game, coming off the bench, against the Rams (#21) was alright.

He could hold it down for one year, more likely part of the year, but Atlanta's biggest need is QB. If they're in a spot to get Ryan, they do it.

Is anyone really impressed with Redman?

Nobody's saying he's the second coming of Montana, just that he should be a solid guy to hold the reins for a couple of years. Impressed from a historical aspect of the great QBs of the game? No.

Impressed by the fact he was selling insurance 2 years ago and has played well enough to earn a shot at a starting gig in the NFL? Hell yes.

 

[Bri]

Both Redman and Harrington have some excellent QB talent and clealry that's why they were drafted. Both have struggled a great amount to try and get comfy in the NFL game. Each has had a game here or there where I thought after years of trying that they finally "got it"; only to regress the following week. I don't know if it's the speed, the complex Ds, the complex Os, lack of respect from teammates, but they are not comfy at all.

Their careers should be done. There's a long list of QBs that could never get comfy in the NFL game and had tons of talent. Obviously their careers aren't done so naturally I wonder why. What do the coaches see that gives them hope they'll turn it around?

Do you have an answer to this Q?

I feel like if you don't, then there's better options out there to play QB. There is countless examples of very poor QB play ruining a team's season. I grrr thru some of the learning rookie struggles but there's no excuse to let a vet ruin a season.

There's plenty of good backups around the league that they should be able to trade for in the same way the Texans got Schaub from them. Rosenfels, for example. Some coaches adore Matt Cassell but we've barely had a chance to see him play. I can't imagine trades for a backup QB are too costly. Regardless, once they land their QB they'll feel it was worth it. Brunell, Favre, Schaub are just a few examples and there's tons.

If it's that they wouldn't feel they profitted from the Schaub trade, well tough. Sometimes that's how the ball bounces. Keeping Redman in so that it seems you made a profit on the Schaub trade is awfully trivial

 

[PatrickT]

Both Redman and Harrington have some excellent QB talent and clealry that's why they were drafted. Both have struggled a great amount to try and get comfy in the NFL game. Each has had a game here or there where I thought after years of trying that they finally "got it"; only to regress the following week. I don't know if it's the speed, the complex Ds, the complex Os, lack of respect from teammates, but they are not comfy at all.

Their careers should be done. There's a long list of QBs that could never get comfy in the NFL game and had tons of talent. Obviously their careers aren't done so naturally I wonder why. What do the coaches see that gives them hope they'll turn it around?

Do you have an answer to this Q?

I feel like if you don't, then there's better options out there to play QB. There is countless examples of very poor QB play ruining a team's season. I grrr thru some of the learning rookie struggles but there's no excuse to let a vet ruin a season.

There's plenty of good backups around the league that they should be able to trade for in the same way the Texans got Schaub from them. Rosenfels, for example. Some coaches adore Matt Cassell but we've barely had a chance to see him play. I can't imagine trades for a backup QB are too costly. Regardless, once they land their QB they'll feel it was worth it. Brunell, Favre, Schaub are just a few examples and there's tons.

If it's that they wouldn't feel they profitted from the Schaub trade, well tough. Sometimes that's how the ball bounces. Keeping Redman in so that it seems you made a profit on the Schaub trade is awfully trivial

I don't know where you're coming up with that. What does Redman have to do with Schaub? The direct result of the Schaub trade was DE Jamaal Anderson, and the jury is still out on him.Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Redman's issue was not his ability to make the transition to the NFL, but a nagging back injury he couldn't overcome. In the 2002 season where he actually played, he was 7 TDs vs 3 INTs. Only 53% completions though. Still, not horrible numbers for a guy in his first six starts.

You're right about Joey. I like the guy, but his ship has sailed, and he just couldn't cut it. You can't say that about Redman, yet.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Renaissance Man

Also called Universal Man, Italian Uomo Universale, an ideal that developed in Renaissance Italy from the notion expressed by one of its most accomplished representatives, Leon Battista Alberti (1404–72), that “a man can do all things if he will.” The ideal embodied the basic tenets of Renaissance Humanism, which considered man the centre of the universe, limitless in his capacities for development, and led to the notion that men should try to embrace all knowledge and develop their own capacities as fully as possible. Thus the gifted men of the Renaissance sought to develop skills in all areas of knowledge, in physical development, in social accomplishments, and in the arts. The ideal was most brilliantly exemplified in Alberti—who was an accomplished architect, painter, classicist, poet, scientist, and mathematician and who also boasted of his skill as a horseman and in physical feats—and in Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519), whose gifts were manifest in the fields of art, science, music, invention, and writing.

Hate to be a stick in the mud, but Renaissance Man doesn't mean what you seem to think it does. Doesn't really mean "late-bloomer", but rather a guy who does all (or many) things well, particularly in the arts and sciences.

You could MAYBE stretch it to mean that the guy excels at all the various different aspects of being a QB, but I don't think that's what you were going for.

And to add something about football, Redman will be placeholder, IF THAT. I would place the odds of him starting the season at about 60%, finishing the season at about 20%, and starting next season at about 5%. JMO, he doesn't seem "special" enough to be an NFL starter, especially without the pedigree (he won't be given the leeway that a higher draft pick might be given).

 

[PatrickT]

Renaissance ManAlso called Universal Man, Italian Uomo Universale, an ideal that developed in Renaissance Italy from the notion expressed by one of its most accomplished representatives, Leon Battista Alberti (1404–72), that “a man can do all things if he will.” The ideal embodied the basic tenets of Renaissance Humanism, which considered man the centre of the universe, limitless in his capacities for development, and led to the notion that men should try to embrace all knowledge and develop their own capacities as fully as possible. Thus the gifted men of the Renaissance sought to develop skills in all areas of knowledge, in physical development, in social accomplishments, and in the arts. The ideal was most brilliantly exemplified in Alberti—who was an accomplished architect, painter, classicist, poet, scientist, and mathematician and who also boasted of his skill as a horseman and in physical feats—and in Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519), whose gifts were manifest in the fields of art, science, music, invention, and writing.Hate to be a stick in the mud, but Renaissance Man doesn't mean what you seem to think it does. Doesn't really mean "late-bloomer", but rather a guy who does all (or many) things well, particularly in the arts and sciences.You could MAYBE stretch it to mean that the guy excels at all the various different aspects of being a QB, but I don't think that's what you were going for.

Yeah, but I let it go cause I didn't want to sound like a know it all... (j/k)

And to add something about football, Redman will be placeholder, IF THAT. I would place the odds of him starting the season at about 60%, finishing the season at about 20%, and starting next season at about 5%. JMO, he doesn't seem "special" enough to be an NFL starter, especially without the pedigree (he won't be given the leeway that a higher draft pick might be given).

We'll see, I think the percentages are higher, and go even higher if they pass on Ryan (which I expect they will). Now, if they trade for a Losman or Quinn, well, there ya go.

 

[FUBAR]

I honestly don't know if Ryan is the next coming of Montana or Couch. But I'm kinda hoping the Falcons don't go for him and trade down. I'd like to see us build in the trenches and look for a Henne or Flacco in the later rounds. I think there's a good chance that Redman could hold the fort for a couple of seasons.

Wow is all I can say to that. Anyway. Ryan is probably the best of the bunch at QB and even if he isn't a prospect who would normally go in the 1st rd, he will go in the 1st this year just because of supply and demand.

See how much all of them move up and down after the combine but at least 1 QB will go top 5 and maybe 2 in the top 10 just because teams feel the need to have a "1ST RD qb OF THE FUTURE".

Why? He performed well when he had the opportunity (if you black out the TB game ). The main reason he didn't remain the starter with the Ravens was more injury than performance. At least, that's how I understood, I'm willing to be corrected if wrong. If you're going to draft a QB, and you want to have him sit for at least one season, who else is there? McNabb, if he can gotten cheap, ok. Other than that, Harrington? Leftwich? I'll take Redman, he at least earned a shot, IMO.

Anyway, enough with the hi-jack, carry on.

Redman is like picking a Big Mac. Best on the menu, but I'm going elsewhere. He played fairly well against the 30th ranked passing D, the 28th, and a Seattle D ranked #19 that IIRC was also resting players. His game, coming off the bench, against the Rams (#21) was alright.

He could hold it down for one year, more likely part of the year, but Atlanta's biggest need is QB. If they're in a spot to get Ryan, they do it.

Is anyone really impressed with Redman?

Nobody's saying he's the second coming of Montana, just that he should be a solid guy to hold the reins for a couple of years. Impressed from a historical aspect of the great QBs of the game? No.

Impressed by the fact he was selling insurance 2 years ago and has played well enough to earn a shot at a starting gig in the NFL? Hell yes.

Yeah, I enjoyed the movie "Invincible" too, but if you're impressed with his actual play, that's only because you're accustomed to incompetent QB play.

 

[PatrickT]

I honestly don't know if Ryan is the next coming of Montana or Couch. But I'm kinda hoping the Falcons don't go for him and trade down. I'd like to see us build in the trenches and look for a Henne or Flacco in the later rounds. I think there's a good chance that Redman could hold the fort for a couple of seasons.

Wow is all I can say to that. Anyway. Ryan is probably the best of the bunch at QB and even if he isn't a prospect who would normally go in the 1st rd, he will go in the 1st this year just because of supply and demand.

See how much all of them move up and down after the combine but at least 1 QB will go top 5 and maybe 2 in the top 10 just because teams feel the need to have a "1ST RD qb OF THE FUTURE".

Why? He performed well when he had the opportunity (if you black out the TB game ). The main reason he didn't remain the starter with the Ravens was more injury than performance. At least, that's how I understood, I'm willing to be corrected if wrong. If you're going to draft a QB, and you want to have him sit for at least one season, who else is there? McNabb, if he can gotten cheap, ok. Other than that, Harrington? Leftwich? I'll take Redman, he at least earned a shot, IMO.

Anyway, enough with the hi-jack, carry on.

Redman is like picking a Big Mac. Best on the menu, but I'm going elsewhere. He played fairly well against the 30th ranked passing D, the 28th, and a Seattle D ranked #19 that IIRC was also resting players. His game, coming off the bench, against the Rams (#21) was alright.

He could hold it down for one year, more likely part of the year, but Atlanta's biggest need is QB. If they're in a spot to get Ryan, they do it.

Is anyone really impressed with Redman?

Nobody's saying he's the second coming of Montana, just that he should be a solid guy to hold the reins for a couple of years. Impressed from a historical aspect of the great QBs of the game? No.

Impressed by the fact he was selling insurance 2 years ago and has played well enough to earn a shot at a starting gig in the NFL? Hell yes.

Yeah, I enjoyed the movie "Invincible" too, but if you're impressed with his actual play, that's only because you're accustomed to incompetent QB play.

Maybe, but in either case, you haven't seen enough of him to say that he's incompetent. You can predict it if you like, but there's no real evidence to base it on. My homerism makes me ill qualified to predict his success, but I'm doing it anyway.

 

[travdogg]

Yeah, I enjoyed the movie "Invincible" too, but if you're impressed with his actual play, that's only because you're accustomed to incompetent QB play.

Atlanta fans haven't had a competent QB since Chandler.

 

[FUBAR]

I honestly don't know if Ryan is the next coming of Montana or Couch. But I'm kinda hoping the Falcons don't go for him and trade down. I'd like to see us build in the trenches and look for a Henne or Flacco in the later rounds. I think there's a good chance that Redman could hold the fort for a couple of seasons.

Wow is all I can say to that. :( Anyway. Ryan is probably the best of the bunch at QB and even if he isn't a prospect who would normally go in the 1st rd, he will go in the 1st this year just because of supply and demand.

See how much all of them move up and down after the combine but at least 1 QB will go top 5 and maybe 2 in the top 10 just because teams feel the need to have a "1ST RD qb OF THE FUTURE".

Why? He performed well when he had the opportunity (if you black out the TB game ). The main reason he didn't remain the starter with the Ravens was more injury than performance. At least, that's how I understood, I'm willing to be corrected if wrong. If you're going to draft a QB, and you want to have him sit for at least one season, who else is there? McNabb, if he can gotten cheap, ok. Other than that, Harrington? Leftwich? I'll take Redman, he at least earned a shot, IMO.

Anyway, enough with the hi-jack, carry on.

Redman is like picking a Big Mac. Best on the menu, but I'm going elsewhere. He played fairly well against the 30th ranked passing D, the 28th, and a Seattle D ranked #19 that IIRC was also resting players. His game, coming off the bench, against the Rams (#21) was alright.

He could hold it down for one year, more likely part of the year, but Atlanta's biggest need is QB. If they're in a spot to get Ryan, they do it.

Is anyone really impressed with Redman?

Nobody's saying he's the second coming of Montana, just that he should be a solid guy to hold the reins for a couple of years. Impressed from a historical aspect of the great QBs of the game? No.

Impressed by the fact he was selling insurance 2 years ago and has played well enough to earn a shot at a starting gig in the NFL? Hell yes.

Yeah, I enjoyed the movie "Invincible" too, but if you're impressed with his actual play, that's only because you're accustomed to incompetent QB play.

Maybe, but in either case, you haven't seen enough of him to say that he's incompetent. You can predict it if you like, but there's no real evidence to base it on. My homerism makes me ill qualified to predict his success, but I'm doing it anyway.

You're absolutely right. In the 8 seasons, 10 starts, and 347 passes since he was drafted, we haven't seen enough of him.

 

[PatrickT]

I honestly don't know if Ryan is the next coming of Montana or Couch. But I'm kinda hoping the Falcons don't go for him and trade down. I'd like to see us build in the trenches and look for a Henne or Flacco in the later rounds. I think there's a good chance that Redman could hold the fort for a couple of seasons.

Wow is all I can say to that. Anyway. Ryan is probably the best of the bunch at QB and even if he isn't a prospect who would normally go in the 1st rd, he will go in the 1st this year just because of supply and demand.

See how much all of them move up and down after the combine but at least 1 QB will go top 5 and maybe 2 in the top 10 just because teams feel the need to have a "1ST RD qb OF THE FUTURE".

Why? He performed well when he had the opportunity (if you black out the TB game ). The main reason he didn't remain the starter with the Ravens was more injury than performance. At least, that's how I understood, I'm willing to be corrected if wrong. If you're going to draft a QB, and you want to have him sit for at least one season, who else is there? McNabb, if he can gotten cheap, ok. Other than that, Harrington? Leftwich? I'll take Redman, he at least earned a shot, IMO.

Anyway, enough with the hi-jack, carry on.

Redman is like picking a Big Mac. Best on the menu, but I'm going elsewhere. He played fairly well against the 30th ranked passing D, the 28th, and a Seattle D ranked #19 that IIRC was also resting players. His game, coming off the bench, against the Rams (#21) was alright.

He could hold it down for one year, more likely part of the year, but Atlanta's biggest need is QB. If they're in a spot to get Ryan, they do it.

Is anyone really impressed with Redman?

Nobody's saying he's the second coming of Montana, just that he should be a solid guy to hold the reins for a couple of years. Impressed from a historical aspect of the great QBs of the game? No.

Impressed by the fact he was selling insurance 2 years ago and has played well enough to earn a shot at a starting gig in the NFL? Hell yes.

Yeah, I enjoyed the movie "Invincible" too, but if you're impressed with his actual play, that's only because you're accustomed to incompetent QB play.

Maybe, but in either case, you haven't seen enough of him to say that he's incompetent. You can predict it if you like, but there's no real evidence to base it on. My homerism makes me ill qualified to predict his success, but I'm doing it anyway.

You're absolutely right. In the 8 seasons, 10 starts, and 347 passes since he was drafted, we haven't seen enough of him.

I know.

 

[Couch Potato]

FUBAR, I think you're being a little hard on poor Redman. Posting a 60% completion %, a 7.2 Y/A, and a 10-5 TD/INT ratio in the games he was in last year was not incompetent. Say what you want about the teams he played against, but they were still NFL teams. Maybe he can't do that over a full season, but using a term like 'incompetent' just isn't accurate.

 

[FUBAR]

FUBAR, I think you're being a little hard on poor Redman. Posting a 60% completion %, a 7.2 Y/A, and a 10-5 TD/INT ratio in the games he was in last year was not incompetent. Say what you want about the teams he played against, but they were still NFL teams. Maybe he can't do that over a full season, but using a term like 'incompetent' just isn't accurate.

I didn't say he was incompetent. Read the post. I'm referring to Leftwich, Harrington, Vick, etc. as incompetent. Redman played better than we would expect, but I sure wouldn't be comfortable with him as the starting QB for my NFL franchise.

 

[switz]

FUBAR, I think you're being a little hard on poor Redman. Posting a 60% completion %, a 7.2 Y/A, and a 10-5 TD/INT ratio in the games he was in last year was not incompetent. Say what you want about the teams he played against, but they were still NFL teams. Maybe he can't do that over a full season, but using a term like 'incompetent' just isn't accurate.

If his comment:

In the 8 seasons, 10 starts, and 347 passes since he was drafted, we haven't seen enough of him.

was sarcastic, I'm pretty sure his opinion on Chris Redman is meaningless and not well formed. Is he ignorant of the fact that Redman was out of the league for quite a few years due to an injury?

 

[saintfool]

You're absolutely right. In the 8 seasons, 10 starts, and 347 passes since he was drafted, we haven't seen enough of him.

I think Redman's situation is more like Todd Collins than Tom Walsh. He played well enough to be the guy he keeps his job. Now, who knows what his job will be going into the new season? It could be caretaker. It could be mentor. It could be warm body. For right now, he's not a part of the problem.

 

[Couch Potato]

FUBAR, I think you're being a little hard on poor Redman. Posting a 60% completion %, a 7.2 Y/A, and a 10-5 TD/INT ratio in the games he was in last year was not incompetent. Say what you want about the teams he played against, but they were still NFL teams. Maybe he can't do that over a full season, but using a term like 'incompetent' just isn't accurate.

I didn't say he was incompetent. Read the post. I'm referring to Leftwich, Harrington, Vick, etc. as incompetent. Redman played better than we would expect, but I sure wouldn't be comfortable with him as the starting QB for my NFL franchise.

OK, I re-read it. My bad.

 

[Bri]

Both Redman and Harrington have some excellent QB talent and clealry that's why they were drafted. Both have struggled a great amount to try and get comfy in the NFL game. Each has had a game here or there where I thought after years of trying that they finally "got it"; only to regress the following week. I don't know if it's the speed, the complex Ds, the complex Os, lack of respect from teammates, but they are not comfy at all.

Their careers should be done. There's a long list of QBs that could never get comfy in the NFL game and had tons of talent. Obviously their careers aren't done so naturally I wonder why. What do the coaches see that gives them hope they'll turn it around?

Do you have an answer to this Q?

I feel like if you don't, then there's better options out there to play QB. There is countless examples of very poor QB play ruining a team's season. I grrr thru some of the learning rookie struggles but there's no excuse to let a vet ruin a season.

There's plenty of good backups around the league that they should be able to trade for in the same way the Texans got Schaub from them. Rosenfels, for example. Some coaches adore Matt Cassell but we've barely had a chance to see him play. I can't imagine trades for a backup QB are too costly. Regardless, once they land their QB they'll feel it was worth it. Brunell, Favre, Schaub are just a few examples and there's tons.

If it's that they wouldn't feel they profitted from the Schaub trade, well tough. Sometimes that's how the ball bounces. Keeping Redman in so that it seems you made a profit on the Schaub trade is awfully trivial

I don't know where you're coming up with that. What does Redman have to do with Schaub? The direct result of the Schaub trade was DE Jamaal Anderson, and the jury is still out on him.Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Redman's issue was not his ability to make the transition to the NFL, but a nagging back injury he couldn't overcome. In the 2002 season where he actually played, he was 7 TDs vs 3 INTs. Only 53% completions though. Still, not horrible numbers for a guy in his first six starts.

You're right about Joey. I like the guy, but his ship has sailed, and he just couldn't cut it. You can't say that about Redman, yet.

Well I was thinking how they gave up a backup to be someone's starter, now they have neither their starter(Vick) nor their backup(Schaub) so that makes that move seem like not the best one in hindsight. I do think everyone knew it could turn out that way, absolutley, but I'm lost as to how to reason out settling on Redman.You bring up the 02 season and IMO that's just an average at best slice of his career, sugarcoating things a bit.

In 8 years since he was drafted, he did not play for half those years. In 8 years, he's only thrown for 2190 yards total.

I admit I lost track of him at some point between 03 and 07 but I'm somewhat confident he was out of the league for a time there too. If so and he was out of the league, his ship has sailed, the guy's like back in the port or somesuch.

What's the logic in him being their choice to be a starter? From Petrino's college staff thinking he's better than a college QB?

There's gotta be some logic to it, something they see that they like(like I said above) but everything I notice seems like this is foolish.

IF IF IF this is a prerequisite to some trade ("we have our starter, we don't need to trade for yours") then I'd roll with that but Redman as a starting QB? Cmon

 

[jonboltz]

Both Redman and Harrington have some excellent QB talent and clealry that's why they were drafted. Both have struggled a great amount to try and get comfy in the NFL game. Each has had a game here or there where I thought after years of trying that they finally "got it"; only to regress the following week. I don't know if it's the speed, the complex Ds, the complex Os, lack of respect from teammates, but they are not comfy at all.

Their careers should be done. There's a long list of QBs that could never get comfy in the NFL game and had tons of talent. Obviously their careers aren't done so naturally I wonder why. What do the coaches see that gives them hope they'll turn it around?

Do you have an answer to this Q?

I feel like if you don't, then there's better options out there to play QB. There is countless examples of very poor QB play ruining a team's season. I grrr thru some of the learning rookie struggles but there's no excuse to let a vet ruin a season.

There's plenty of good backups around the league that they should be able to trade for in the same way the Texans got Schaub from them. Rosenfels, for example. Some coaches adore Matt Cassell but we've barely had a chance to see him play. I can't imagine trades for a backup QB are too costly. Regardless, once they land their QB they'll feel it was worth it. Brunell, Favre, Schaub are just a few examples and there's tons.

If it's that they wouldn't feel they profitted from the Schaub trade, well tough. Sometimes that's how the ball bounces. Keeping Redman in so that it seems you made a profit on the Schaub trade is awfully trivial

I don't know where you're coming up with that. What does Redman have to do with Schaub? The direct result of the Schaub trade was DE Jamaal Anderson, and the jury is still out on him.Now, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Redman's issue was not his ability to make the transition to the NFL, but a nagging back injury he couldn't overcome. In the 2002 season where he actually played, he was 7 TDs vs 3 INTs. Only 53% completions though. Still, not horrible numbers for a guy in his first six starts.

You're right about Joey. I like the guy, but his ship has sailed, and he just couldn't cut it. You can't say that about Redman, yet.

Well I was thinking how they gave up a backup to be someone's starter, now they have neither their starter(Vick) nor their backup(Schaub) so that makes that move seem like not the best one in hindsight. I do think everyone knew it could turn out that way, absolutley, but I'm lost as to how to reason out settling on Redman.You bring up the 02 season and IMO that's just an average at best slice of his career, sugarcoating things a bit.

In 8 years since he was drafted, he did not play for half those years. In 8 years, he's only thrown for 2190 yards total.

I admit I lost track of him at some point between 03 and 07 but I'm somewhat confident he was out of the league for a time there too. If so and he was out of the league, his ship has sailed, the guy's like back in the port or somesuch.

What's the logic in him being their choice to be a starter? From Petrino's college staff thinking he's better than a college QB?

There's gotta be some logic to it, something they see that they like(like I said above) but everything I notice seems like this is foolish.

IF IF IF this is a prerequisite to some trade ("we have our starter, we don't need to trade for yours") then I'd roll with that but Redman as a starting QB? Cmon

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT2007 89 149 1079 59.7 7.24 74 10 5 9 90.4

Those are good enough to mentor a drafted QB.

 

[jasonbay]

Redman will probably enter the season as the favorite to win the starting gig in ATL. This year's QB class is not as everyone thinks. If ATL is smart they will draft Jake Long in the #3 hole and snag a QB in the 2nd or 3rd to groom. Redman is more than capable of revitalizing this offense. If they land Turner it's only going to make things easier on the QB. Redman gets ZERO respect from footballguys and most dyansty leagues. I believe this guy is for real and has the skills to prosper as a late bloomer in the NFL. There's always a few feel good stories in the NFL and this has potential. Warner, Garcia, Green, Kitna, etc were all late bloomers. With QBs blossoming later in their careers this could be a bargain at 2.5 million a year. In my opinion their isn't a QB worthy of a top 5 pick in this year's draft. Redman=Renaissance

I don't see it.

 

[FUBAR]

FUBAR, I think you're being a little hard on poor Redman. Posting a 60% completion %, a 7.2 Y/A, and a 10-5 TD/INT ratio in the games he was in last year was not incompetent. Say what you want about the teams he played against, but they were still NFL teams. Maybe he can't do that over a full season, but using a term like 'incompetent' just isn't accurate.

If his comment:

In the 8 seasons, 10 starts, and 347 passes since he was drafted, we haven't seen enough of him.

was sarcastic, I'm pretty sure his opinion on Chris Redman is meaningless and not well formed. Is he ignorant of the fact that Redman was out of the league for quite a few years due to an injury?

very well aware thanks. Perhaps the 3 years off did him some good, but I don't remember being impressed with him pre-injury.Just answer three questions1. Would you feel comfortable if Redman is your starting QB - if you don't have a QB with good potential on the roster? 2. Would you feel comfortable if Redman is your starting QB - if you do have a QB with good potential on the roster?3. Where would you rank him among active QBs?

 

[switz]

very well aware thanks.

FYI - no insult intended in my asking if you were aware. Rather that if you were basing his sparse numbers over that time span without knowing about the long layoff with injury, you probably just didn't know enough about him... Hope it didn't come across as aggressive.

Perhaps the 3 years off did him some good, but I don't remember being impressed with him pre-injury.

I always viewed him as a QB that had the tools to be a serviceable starter, but not an All Pro. Sorta like Kevin Kolb in PHI. Needs development, and could be solid in the right situation.

Just answer three questions1. Would you feel comfortable if Redman is your starting QB - if you don't have a QB with good potential on the roster? 2. Would you feel comfortable if Redman is your starting QB - if you do have a QB with good potential on the roster?3. Where would you rank him among active QBs?

1. Yes, if the team was based on a solid D, good running game, and good game management by the QB.2. Sure, especially if the criteria in point one was in place, and the potential QB had top-tier talent.3. Hmmm... that's a good question. Hadn't given it much thought from that POV. I think he's better than, but like a Trent Dilfer type player. Not the guy you want to depend on to win for you, but one your comfortable with for the time being while you build the rest of the team.

 

[FUBAR]

very well aware thanks.

FYI - no insult intended in my asking if you were aware. Rather that if you were basing his sparse numbers over that time span without knowing about the long layoff with injury, you probably just didn't know enough about him... Hope it didn't come across as aggressive.

Perhaps the 3 years off did him some good, but I don't remember being impressed with him pre-injury.

I always viewed him as a QB that had the tools to be a serviceable starter, but not an All Pro. Sorta like Kevin Kolb in PHI. Needs development, and could be solid in the right situation.

Just answer three questions1. Would you feel comfortable if Redman is your starting QB - if you don't have a QB with good potential on the roster? 2. Would you feel comfortable if Redman is your starting QB - if you do have a QB with good potential on the roster?3. Where would you rank him among active QBs?

1. Yes, if the team was based on a solid D, good running game, and good game management by the QB.2. Sure, especially if the criteria in point one was in place, and the potential QB had top-tier talent.3. Hmmm... that's a good question. Hadn't given it much thought from that POV. I think he's better than, but like a Trent Dilfer type player. Not the guy you want to depend on to win for you, but one your comfortable with for the time being while you build the rest of the team.

Ok, he might be a poor man's Trent Dilfer. We disagree here, but I do like your concept on how to build a team.

 

[Tecmo]

There are some rumors of Losman being traded to ATL. Makes sense since ATL's O-cord (Mike Mularkey) drafted him. It's the last year on Losman's contract too, so BUF might settle for a late draft pick on draft day. Something Redman owners might want to know cause it makes sense