Christine Michael Volume 3: Inevitable Greatness Soon Achieved (2 Viewers)

[Chaka]

Another good one:

David Helman ‏@HelmanDC 1h1 hour agoIrving, TX
From Christine Michael himself: "I'm just as clueless as you are" about his level of involvement. But he does expect an increase.

In any other thread...

 

[Rimez]

you'd be crazy to start cmike/randle against the giants. they play predictable and will crowd the middle on passing downs and run blitz against cmike/randle. its no secret cassel is a turnover machine with horrible YPA so they will force him to throw it outside for easy ints. giants cant pass rush for #### but they can bottle up the inside run game where the cowboys have struggled against 8 man fronts. randle is still the best chance to break one on the outside and to play cmike is hoping he falls forward on a goal to go play. i own both in one league but they are riding the bench until this shakes out, DMC may end up a bell cow in the second half if they abandon the run.

 

[Koya]

Another good one:

David Helman ‏@HelmanDC 1h1 hour agoIrving, TX
From Christine Michael himself: "I'm just as clueless as you are" about his level of involvement. But he does expect an increase.

In any other thread...

CHOO CHOOOOOOOOO!!!

 

[massraider]

Another good one:



David Helman ‏@HelmanDC 1h1 hour agoIrving, TX

From Christine Michael himself: "I'm just as clueless as you are" about his level of involvement. But he does expect an increase.

I think Christine may be selling himself short.

Nice

 

[Interseptopus]

Linehan said Michael will get more carries but Randle will still get the bulk.

Ok. What does that even mean?

Exactly what it says.Randle 13-15 carries

McFadden 6-8 touches

Michael - 4 carries (quadruple his recent output)

You can't roll this guy out in your lineup until Dallas truly does. You just can't.

But but what about "getting points for time invested?" "He might get ____ carries but I'm getting points for those ____ carries"!?!?!

/sarcasm

CM may eventually take over, but it's kind of laughable at this point how many people are putting him in their lineup just because they're excited he's getting more than one carry a game. I wouldn't start him until he produces two weeks in a row of solid startable stats. I could see after one nice game but not zero

 

[Judge Smails]

I'm not desperate, so CM is on my bench until I see something. Him getting all of the first team reps and Randle getting the bulk of the work doesn't jive.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'm not desperate, so CM is on my bench until I see something. Him getting all of the first team reps and Randle getting the bulk of the work doesn't jive.

he didn't get all the first team reps, he got some of them

 

[socrates]

CM will get a larger opportunity this week than he has had in previous weeks. If he can produce, pass protect, demonstrate discipline and knowledge of the playbook, hold onto the ball and refrain from posing, he may earn a larger share of the pie going forward, and that shift could take place in game or gradually over several games, based on a variety of factors, but it all hinges on how Michael and Randle (and McFadden, to some degree) perform. The game is not scripted, so I think it is not at all surprising that Michael doesn't really know how much the Cowboys will use him this week, except that his role will be larger.

 

[bigbrownbag]

you'd be crazy to start cmike/randle against the giants. they play predictable and will crowd the middle on passing downs and run blitz against cmike/randle. its no secret cassel is a turnover machine with horrible YPA so they will force him to throw it outside for easy ints. giants cant pass rush for #### but they can bottle up the inside run game where the cowboys have struggled against 8 man fronts. randle is still the best chance to break one on the outside and to play cmike is hoping he falls forward on a goal to go play. i own both in one league but they are riding the bench until this shakes out, DMC may end up a bell cow in the second half if they abandon the run.

Exactly what every team has done and will do until Romo and Bryant return.

Make Weeden and Cassel beat you.

Randle or McFadden could very well be lighting things up if Romo never goes down.

i don't think the problem is the RB in Dallas...

 

[Keepers]

you'd be crazy to start cmike/randle against the giants. they play predictable and will crowd the middle on passing downs and run blitz against cmike/randle. its no secret cassel is a turnover machine with horrible YPA so they will force him to throw it outside for easy ints. giants cant pass rush for #### but they can bottle up the inside run game where the cowboys have struggled against 8 man fronts. randle is still the best chance to break one on the outside and to play cmike is hoping he falls forward on a goal to go play. i own both in one league but they are riding the bench until this shakes out, DMC may end up a bell cow in the second half if they abandon the run.

Exactly what every team has done and will do until Romo and Bryant return.

Make Weeden and Cassel beat you.

Randle or McFadden could very well be lighting things up if Romo never goes down.

i don't think the problem is the RB in Dallas...

For the 2 games that Romo was QB, Randle was averaging 3.4 yds. His best game was the 3rd game of the season, Weeden at QB and he also had 3 TDs in that game. Small sample size so who is to say what would be doing with Romo now but just has not looked impressive and McFadden even less so.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I am more convinced than ever. Cmike will put up top 5 numbers this week. Start him with confidence18/110/2 plus 3/2228.2 points in ppr

This is tracking the Soulfly Gordon thread from last year almost perfectly. That certainly started out well.

 

[cr8f]

you'd be crazy to start cmike/randle against the giants. they play predictable and will crowd the middle on passing downs and run blitz against cmike/randle. its no secret cassel is a turnover machine with horrible YPA so they will force him to throw it outside for easy ints. giants cant pass rush for #### but they can bottle up the inside run game where the cowboys have struggled against 8 man fronts. randle is still the best chance to break one on the outside and to play cmike is hoping he falls forward on a goal to go play. i own both in one league but they are riding the bench until this shakes out, DMC may end up a bell cow in the second half if they abandon the run.

Exactly what every team has done and will do until Romo and Bryant return.

Make Weeden and Cassel beat you.

Randle or McFadden could very well be lighting things up if Romo never goes down.

i don't think the problem is the RB in Dallas...

Well yeah, then move the RB's out in the flat for receptions or out coach the other coach.

If you're a better coach then show it. You are making millions of dollars, show you're worth it with what you've got on your team.

You've had terrible injuries but still have good players.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Dallas Cowboys RB Joseph Randle will continue to get the bulk of the carries, according to offensive coordinator Scott Linehan. The team wants to get RB Christine Michael involved as well, though.

Pfft Mike stays on the bench until he shows up. Randle is useless too.

I agree with the 5-10 carry assessment, and Cassel as QB in his first start isn't promising either.

 

[Koya]

Dallas Cowboys RB Joseph Randle will continue to get the bulk of the carries, according to offensive coordinator Scott Linehan. The team wants to get RB Christine Michael involved as well, though.

Choo?

 

[Koya]

Linehan said Michael will get more carries but Randle will still get the bulk.

Ok. What does that even mean?

Exactly what it says.Randle 13-15 carries

McFadden 6-8 touches

Michael - 4 carries (quadruple his recent output)

You can't roll this guy out in your lineup until Dallas truly does. You just can't.

But but what about "getting points for time invested?" "He might get ____ carries but I'm getting points for those ____ carries"!?!?!

/sarcasm

CM may eventually take over, but it's kind of laughable at this point how many people are putting him in their lineup just because they're excited he's getting more than one carry a game. I wouldn't start him until he produces two weeks in a row of solid startable stats. I could see after one nice game but not zero

To be fair, momentum over the past ten days has been ever pushing the way of CM having a chance to be named starter. At this point, it is crazy... the Andrews of the world are back in bye week lineups

 

[timbrah_ho]

Anyone who thought he was just going to come out of the gates immediately and be Marshal Faulk was kidding themselves or desperate for a roster plug in this week. Nothing has changed with the level of optimism -- he's getting more and more work as the season progresses which gives him the chance to take the job if he earns it. Dudes a FF playoff lotto ticket, same as it ever was.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Dallas is no. 5 most FF points per game for RBs. 118 attempts in 5 games, so about 23 carries per game total. Bulk of carries to Randle would be ok if MCFadden does little on the ground.

 

[rickyg]

Out of my lineup with this recent news. Wait and see mode.

 

[Texican]

This just took a Bruce turns into Caitlyn kind of bad turn....

 

[Wrigley]

All Hail the Altraxians

 

[jdoggydogg]

Randle has looked pedestrian, so we Michael owners are excited to see what Michael does this week.

But hear this: Michael will get 5-10 touches this week.

That's about it. Temper your expectations.

Like his entire career. I never understood the hype and felt he was being over valued big time.

Dallas blew it. They thought their line was the reason Murray was so great. You do need some skill to play RB not just a great line.

But in all fairness, When your down your All-Pro QB and top 2 WR in the entire league your not going to run the ball with any amount of consistent success.

Yeah, but Randle didn't look good even with Romo and Dez in the fold. I think that Dallas acquired Michael - a prima donna that has achieved nothing in the NFL - says a lot about how they view Randle. Not saying that Michael will finally buckle down and work hard. But if he does, Dallas wants him to take this job.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Seriously everyone, coaches do not leak their intentions for player use. They have little reason to do so.

What we know:

C Mike has been working with the number 1s

The Dallas running game has not been inspiring.

That is all we really know. Anything coaches say pre game is useless.

 

[Sabertooth]

Didn't the Cowboys snag a different back last week? What was his name?

 

[fredsavage]

Unless Michael is named the starter I am benching both he and randle unless I have no other option, which appears to be the case for me unless C. Thompson knows a good acupuncturist. Going randle

 

[Todem]

Randle has looked pedestrian, so we Michael owners are excited to see what Michael does this week.

But hear this: Michael will get 5-10 touches this week.

That's about it. Temper your expectations.

Like his entire career. I never understood the hype and felt he was being over valued big time.

Dallas blew it. They thought their line was the reason Murray was so great. You do need some skill to play RB not just a great line.

But in all fairness, When your down your All-Pro QB and top 2 WR in the entire league your not going to run the ball with any amount of consistent success.

Yeah, but Randle didn't look good even with Romo and Dez in the fold. I think that Dallas acquired Michael - a prima donna that has achieved nothing in the NFL - says a lot about how they view Randle. Not saying that Michael will finally buckle down and work hard. But if he does, Dallas wants him to take this job.

I don't disagree about Randle. I never thought he was starter material in the least bit.

 

[bigbrownbag]

Yeah. All the people who said it was all the line aren't talking about the success Murray has had over the last two weeks.

Christine Michael owners are like Skip Bayless.

 

[Koya]

Yeah. All the people who said it was all the line aren't talking about the success Murray has had over the last two weeks.

Christine Michael owners are like Skip Bayless.

We are now stereotyping CM owners? Interesting.

 

[pollardsvision]

So.....it might be happening?

 

[Riversco]

Another good one:

David Helman ‏@HelmanDC 1h1 hour agoIrving, TX
From Christine Michael himself: "I'm just as clueless as you are" about his level of involvement. But he does expect an increase.

I think Christine may be selling himself short.

Christine Michael obviously doesn't own Christine Michael.

 

[timbrah_ho]

Put him in my lineup yesterday and woke up to find out that I got points for the late night snack he ate at 1:25am last night. Dudes good I tell ya

 

[georg013]

I doubt the coaches are going to tell the opposition what the carry distribution is going to be. We know that CMike has been taking first team reps. And we know that the Cowboys have made changes at QB and tackle. They obviously aren't happy with their offense.

Unlike QB, they don't have to make a solid switch. I think those expecting Michael to become lead back and get 25 carries were dreaming. I think we may see a nearly even split this week. It'll be more or less an audition for next week. If Randle has a first half like he did against Atlanta (his only good half all year), maybe Michael only ends up with 5 carries. If he's average like most of the year, we're going to see if CMike can take the job away going forward.

From a fantasy perspective, I wouldn't start him unless injuries and the byes have my backfield depleted. Way safer choices out there.

This thread has been one big dream. Lol. But that's why we play, no? Dream on I say!

 

[shady inc]

ESPN projects him for 6.8 PPR points <_<

changed to 6.3 as of this morning. they must know something

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Nobody ever officially stated he was going to be the starter. Some of the media speculated that he would start but that was just their gut feeling.

Nothing has changed other then he will get more carries, which is a positive. This whole pretending there is a letdown or suggesting things have taken a worse turn since Monday are just the people who clearly weren't paying attention and only read what they want to read.

As of right now we have a 2nd year 2nd round talent behind a strong offensive line with Dez coming back soon, Romo eventually.

All season we have watched Randle get yanked back and slowed down by arm tackles and McFadden looking like an older version of McFadden.

There isn't one other person other then the one guy here who watches that highlight video and doesn't salivate at what Micharl could do with a few open lanes.

I imagine this week Randle will start to keep his fragile ego from fracturing and they will give Michael the second series, rotating them both each series with McFadden as the 3rd down back during long down and distances and Michael getting the 3rd and 1s.

In summary the news this week has been all positive and nothing negative.

 

[Chaka]

Yeah. All the people who said it was all the line aren't talking about the success Murray has had over the last two weeks.

Christine Michael owners are like Skip Bayless.

I don't think anyone said it was all the line and I think most people believe that Philadelphia also had one of the top lines in the league coming into this season.

Dallas has looked terrible in the run game across the board and Phili also looked pretty terrible but Matthews was more productive than Murray.

 

[FF Ninja]

Nobody ever officially stated he was going to be the starter. Some of the media speculated that he would start but that was just their gut feeling.

Nothing has changed other then he will get more carries, which is a positive. This whole pretending there is a letdown or suggesting things have taken a worse turn since Monday are just the people who clearly weren't paying attention and only read what they want to read.

As of right now we have a 2nd year 2nd round talent behind a strong offensive line with Dez coming back soon, Romo eventually.

All season we have watched Randle get yanked back and slowed down by arm tackles and McFadden looking like an older version of McFadden.

There isn't one other person other then the one guy here who watches that highlight video and doesn't salivate at what Micharl could do with a few open lanes.

I imagine this week Randle will start to keep his fragile ego from fracturing and they will give Michael the second series, rotating them both each series with McFadden as the 3rd down back during long down and distances and Michael getting the 3rd and 1s.

In summary the news this week has been all positive and nothing negative.

Just picking nits, but he's a third year player now and probably would've gone in the first round if he hadn't been in Sumlin's doghouse. The fact he made it into the second round despite injuries and a limited role in college is really a testament to his talent and/or measurables.

But I do agree. If you ignore the false hope of him being magically anointed the starter after 2 carries, the information on Michael's situation is still trending up. It hasn't been a meteoric rise, but for those of us simply stashing him at the end of our roster as a "lightning in a bottle" fantasy football playoff flex or unexpected week 10 injury replacement, he's still on pace to potentially fill that role.

 

[davearm]

Talented but in the doghouse seems to be a recurring theme here.

 

[monk]

Evans beasted last year with crap at QB, guy. Not to mention it's patently absurd to dismiss Winston after a whopping 5 starts. There's also not a chance in hell Michael surpasses Evans' season total of 174 yards (plus whatever he gets this week) this week.

I actually dismissed Winston before he was ever drafted

JaMarcus Russell 2.0

So which NFL team are you scouting for?

Same one as you

 

[monk]

FYI this reminds me 100% of the Latavius Murray situation from last year. I remember the days leading up to the KC game there were numerous rumors about him overtaking DMC. Some brave (AKA desperate) people like me took a stab in the dark and started him. Im pretty sure DMC got the first few snaps and sucked with them. We were all #####ing in the game thread. Then Murray got the next few carries and thats all she wrote. The job was his (until he got concussed).

And that was the only game that he has ever lived up to the hype

Murray is currently RB17 in PPR and RB20 in standard. I don't own him anywhere, but I'd think that RB2 production is right about where most people thought he'd be. Further, the guy was a 6th round pick in the NFL, and went in the 2nd at best in most every FF rookie draft that year -- he wasn't a hugely hyped prospect at all. Of course there are a few folks out there that were probably unreasonably high on the guy, but in the overall scheme of things, the fact that he's holding down a starting spot puts him ahead of expectations as a 6th rounder / 2nd rounder in the NFL and FF.

People were going nuts over this guy last season. in the 2 games leading up to him starting he went 4 for 40 and then exploded with 4 for 112 with 2 tds and he has started ever since.

In 9 games since then he is avg 4.0 per carry with 2 TDs and he has been benched in the 2nd half of the last 2 games ... he is a volume dependent play.

 

[zeeshan2]

Hall of Fame wide receiver and Dallas Cowboys legend Michael Irvin is actually pretty optimistic that the team is capable of getting the run game on track, but he isn’t sugarcoating his feelings on what we’ve already seen out of that particular part of the offense.

Of course, this offseason, Joseph Randle told the press that DeMarco Murray had left “a lot of meat on the bone” last season, as he was in the process of breaking the franchise’s single-season rushing record.

Now, it’s only fair to ask, has Randle left much meat on the bone?

“All that meat on the bone,” Irvin said. “We could all get full on it right now. We could end world hunger right now.”

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Irvin-We-Could-End-World-Hunger-with-Meat-Joseph-Randles-Leaving-on-the-Bone-336330931.html

 

[ThatsAllFolks]

I'm excited to see what he can do with some volume and with that line. Not going to start him yet...

I think he has a lot of talent and potential but it seems that it was something off field, personality-wise, that held him back in Seattle. Maybe the rumors of him being a bit of a knucklehead also played a part.

Seattle sees themselves as a 1st class club that does not but up with shenanigans or big personalities over production (Harvin, Owens come to mind)

But In Dallas, they seem want those guys that have big heads - but can produce (Owens, Dez, Prime Time etc)

Give him the rock...

 

[I Am the Stig]

Chris Harris's take

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/friday-film-room-christine-michael

 

[Faust]

Cowboys' Christine Michael 'as clueless as you are' on what increased role means:

http://beta.sportsdaydfw.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2015/10/22/cowboys-rb-christine-michael-increased-role-means-just-clueless

 

[Short Corner]

Talented but in the doghouse seems to be a recurring theme here.

The recurring theme is the equivocation of athleticism with talent.

 

[Short Corner]

Chris Harris's take

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/friday-film-room-christine-michael

I am guessing he could flame out in Dallas and he could be great asset. CH is as wishy-washy as anyone out there.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Chris Harris's take

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/friday-film-room-christine-michael

...I wish I could find something on film that indicates why the Seahawks would give up on Michael, but it's not there. Sure, he fumbled in the team's first preseason game this summer, but he busted a few runs around the edge, too. I've read that Michael kept running into the backs of his offensive linemen—and have said as much on my podcast—but a repeat viewing of the film really doesn't show this. No, whatever went wrong for Michael went wrong for him off the field.

...So where are we now that Michael is a Cowboy? Despite his elite athleticism, I don't think he's an elite player. He's thick and strong, but he isn't a hard cutter at full speed and is more of a momentum runner, though when he gets daylight he can really scoot. Think of a somewhat faster version of Mark Ingram. But that could be pretty good, especially behind what is still an exceptional Cowboys offensive line.

...I don't know why he flamed out in Seattle, and maybe whatever doomed him there will also stand in his way in Big D. But on the field, he's still a relatively strong prospect, and if things break right, by the end of the year he really could be a hot fantasy commodity.

 

[coolnerd]

Chris Harris's take

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/friday-film-room-christine-michael

I am guessing he could flame out in Dallas and he could be great asset. CH is as wishy-washy as anyone out there.

It is probably accurate and sums up the hundreds of pages, dozens of posters and multiple years of debate on "CMIke." I don't really know not always a bad answer.

 

[monk]

Seems to me like Dallas had planned to give Michael every opportunity to steal the lead job going into the bye week and somehow he ####ed it up.

Maybe he is just not that good, maybe he is really stupid, or maybe he is just an uncoachable mental case?

This is basically an accelerated version of what happened to him in Seattle

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Seems to me like Dallas had planned to give Michael every opportunity to steal the lead job going into the bye week and somehow he ####ed it up.

Maybe he is just not that good, maybe he is really stupid, or maybe he is just an uncoachable mental case?

This is basically an accelerated version of what happened to him in Seattle

The fact that he has gotten a share of 1st team reps is a very big deal. It takes a lot to unseat a healthy starting RB in the NFL. Regardless of what some may think Randle hasn't done a "bad" job, he just hasn't done a fantastic job. If they had wanted to annoint CM the starter they would have done that with the switch to Collins and Cassel. So I can't say I'm surprised that Randle is still the starter but Randle was making noises this week that he was emotionally and mentally admitting to a lesser role and accepting it. And no one has heard from McFadden but I'm thinking Michael might be getting his work or most of it. Recently that has meant 3rd down work, every third series through 3 quarters, closing the 4th quarter in entirety, and even goal line work. If Michael gets a lot of McFadden's role, a little of Randle's, and adds goal line work and does something with it - like a get a TD - that could be very good.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Chris Harris's take

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/friday-film-room-christine-michael

I am guessing he could flame out in Dallas and he could be great asset. CH is as wishy-washy as anyone out there.

It is probably accurate and sums up the hundreds of pages, dozens of posters and multiple years of debate on "CMIke." I don't really know not always a bad answer.

I wouldn't say Harris is wishy-washy. His film analysis is usually pretty accurate. He is conservative and that sometimes doesn't play well in a sound bite world.

What I took from the article:

1. C Mike isn't bad at football, so the speculation of why Seattle traded him, while a curiosity, does not appear to be related to his ability to play football.

2. He is an amazing athlete but not an amazing football player. Ok, so he isn't AP but he was compared to Mark Ingram. I think Mark Ingram behind that Dallas line is a real good fantasy back

3. His usage in Dallas is still speculative but Randle is certainly leaving the door wide open to be supplanted.

I guess in the black and white world of the Shark Pool that accurate assessment is wishy-washy.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Seems to me like Dallas had planned to give Michael every opportunity to steal the lead job going into the bye week and somehow he ####ed it up.

Maybe he is just not that good, maybe he is really stupid, or maybe he is just an uncoachable mental case?

This is basically an accelerated version of what happened to him in Seattle

You seriously don't believe a coach really told a reporter what the distribution is going to be do you?

Coaches do not "leak" game plans, it is as simple as that.