Christine Michael Volume 3: Inevitable Greatness Soon Achieved (1 Viewer)

[JuniorNB]

Jesus. In the last two weeks, we've gone from CMIKE being a one carry per game bench warmer, to hearing they might be using him more, to predicting how awesome he will do as the starter, to putting him in the HOF, to hearing it may be an even split, to being told Randle is still the starter, to looking back and wondering where it all went wrong. All without a single snap of football being played.

 

[monk]

Seems to me like Dallas had planned to give Michael every opportunity to steal the lead job going into the bye week and somehow he ####ed it up.

Maybe he is just not that good, maybe he is really stupid, or maybe he is just an uncoachable mental case?

This is basically an accelerated version of what happened to him in Seattle

You seriously don't believe a coach really told a reporter what the distribution is going to be do you?

Coaches do not "leak" game plans, it is as simple as that.

One coach said .... they were about to unleash the beast

Another coach said ... no significant change to the running game

And the player in questions said he has no idea whats going on ... he heard he might get more than the 1 carry per game that he has been getting

So we've got a YES a NO and an I DUNNO? Which = Nothing

 

[Banger]

Seems to me like Dallas had planned to give Michael every opportunity to steal the lead job going into the bye week and somehow he ####ed it up.

Maybe he is just not that good, maybe he is really stupid, or maybe he is just an uncoachable mental case?

This is basically an accelerated version of what happened to him in Seattle

I think you're looking waaay too much into situation and have nothing to back up your assertions. They said they planned to give him more snaps this weekend and that's essentially it. Most of the other speculation came from media. Do people really expect the coaches to say they are turning over the reigns to him? He has done nothing to deserve it. He's going to get a chance at more touches and depending how he does with those touches will determine his role going forward. Pretty simple.

 

[bulger2holt]

He's basically Randle's handcuff. No value unless Randle goes down

 

[Short Corner]

Chris Harris's take

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/friday-film-room-christine-michael

I am guessing he could flame out in Dallas and he could be great asset. CH is as wishy-washy as anyone out there.

It is probably accurate and sums up the hundreds of pages, dozens of posters and multiple years of debate on "CMIke." I don't really know not always a bad answer.

I don't know is a perfectly fine take to have. That being said, it precludes you being an "expert" when it is your predominant stance .

 

[DropKick]

Jesus. In the last two weeks, we've gone from CMIKE being a one carry per game bench warmer, to hearing they might be using him more, to predicting how awesome he will do as the starter, to putting him in the HOF, to hearing it may be an even split, to being told Randle is still the starter, to looking back and wondering where it all went wrong. All without a single snap of football being played.

It's always like that. The speculations that people make are insane. I especially like the it's either "this" or "that" hypothesis as if every single event had only two possible explanations.

People are fickle with players too. We see the meteoric rise and fall of players over a couple weeks time. Either you believe in a guys talent/opportunity or you don't. I see so much roster churn you have to wonder how sharkey the pool really is?

 

[DropKick]

He's basically Randle's handcuff. No value unless Randle goes down

Do you think Randle is above losing his job if he is outperformed?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He's basically Randle's handcuff. No value unless Randle goes down

Dunbar and McFadden have had value behind Randle this year so there's that. Sometimes they have had more value.Also that Michael has gotten 1st team reps does not mean he has failed to impress, quite the opposite.

 

[shady inc]

At least we should have some clarity in a little over 24 hours.

 

[coolnerd]

Chris Harris's take

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/friday-film-room-christine-michael

I am guessing he could flame out in Dallas and he could be great asset. CH is as wishy-washy as anyone out there.

It is probably accurate and sums up the hundreds of pages, dozens of posters and multiple years of debate on "CMIke." I don't really know not always a bad answer.

I don't know is a perfectly fine take to have. That being said, it precludes you being an "expert" when it is your predominant stance .

Got it. I am only reading a single piece from the guy, so I will trust you on his overall body of opinions.

 

[cracKer]

They know what they have in Randle, not impressive. Not sure what they have in Michael, can't really be worse but a chance to be better. We will all find out soon

 

[Milkman]

Jesus. In the last two weeks, we've gone from CMIKE being a one carry per game bench warmer, to hearing they might be using him more, to predicting how awesome he will do as the starter, to putting him in the HOF, to hearing it may be an even split, to being told Randle is still the starter, to looking back and wondering where it all went wrong. All without a single snap of football being played.

Strawman much?

 

[zed2283]

At least we should have some clarity in a little over 24 hours.

Don't count on it.

 

[Milkman]

They know what they have in Randle, not impressive. Not sure what they have in Michael, can't really be worse but a chance to be better. We will all find out soon

Oh it could be worse......

 

[JuniorNB]

Jesus. In the last two weeks, we've gone from CMIKE being a one carry per game bench warmer, to hearing they might be using him more, to predicting how awesome he will do as the starter, to putting him in the HOF, to hearing it may be an even split, to being told Randle is still the starter, to looking back and wondering where it all went wrong. All without a single snap of football being played.

Strawman much?

Stating facts, son

 

[tandl71]

Michael must have a personality disorder. Every quote I've read from him sounds like a statement from an entitled 10 year old, the Cowboys run game sucks, and he's still not starting. Do the math.

 

[tandl71]

How much effort does it take for a professional to say, "I'm just looking forward to doing the best I can and winning some games", rather than, "Dude, I'm as clueless as you are"?

 

[tandl71]

And to top it off, Dallas has been a clearing house for #######s, criminals, and the emotionally disturbed, many of whom have played, started, and excelled. This guy must be a real gem.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I think Michael saying he's clueless is 1. Not giving away the gameplan and 2. Being humble or polite. Both Randle and Michael have done that now.

 

[monk]

Seems to me like Dallas had planned to give Michael every opportunity to steal the lead job going into the bye week and somehow he ####ed it up.

Maybe he is just not that good, maybe he is really stupid, or maybe he is just an uncoachable mental case?

This is basically an accelerated version of what happened to him in Seattle

So you think what is being said by the coach is bs?

We'd like to get him more opportunities in the offense as opposed to limited or one short-yardage play here,'' Linehan said of Michael. "We feel like he's ready for some more carries.

"C-Mike has done a good job. He's worked hard since he's been here. It takes a while to learn a new system, a new way of doing things. I think he's done a good job of doing that.''""

Not at all ... but pay attention the actual words not just what you want to hear.

He said "we'd like to" get him more opportunities (Not "we will" or "we are going to")

"We feel like he's (not " he's definitely") ready for "some" (Not "much more" or "a lot") more carries.

He's worked hard since he's been here. (they've been saying this since he got there).

To sum it up... He's basically saying Michael might get more than 1 carry

 

[theplayer11]

ESPN Cowboys reporter Todd Archer said Joseph Randle will remain the "lead ball carrier" for Dallas.
Archer said Christine Michael will become more involved, "But all he needs to do to be involved 'more' is get two carries in a game." Cowboys OC Scott Linehan said earlier in the week Randle would handle "a good bulk" of the team's carries and added not to expect "big, huge changes" at the running back position.

 

[rickyg]

ESPN Cowboys reporter Todd Archer said Joseph Randle will remain the "lead ball carrier" for Dallas.

Archer said Christine Michael will become more involved, "But all he needs to do to be involved 'more' is get two carries in a game." Cowboys OC Scott Linehan said earlier in the week Randle would handle "a good bulk" of the team's carries and added not to expect "big, huge changes" at the running back position.

Here's what I don't understand: if the above is true, why give michael the bulk of 1st team reps at Rb for the last 2 weeks of practice? Is randle so good at Rb that he doesn't need those reps? It just doesn't add up.

 

[Faust]

Fantasy mailbag: Tap the brakes on Christine Michael hopes (the source link for the blurb posted above)

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/184921/fantasy-mailbag-tap-the-brakes-on-christine-michael-hopes

 

[shadyridr]

I'm guessing they dont like what they at at practice. Sane thing as the Seahawks. He'll be out of the league soon

 

[monk]

Seems to me like Dallas had planned to give Michael every opportunity to steal the lead job going into the bye week and somehow he ####ed it up.

Maybe he is just not that good, maybe he is really stupid, or maybe he is just an uncoachable mental case?

This is basically an accelerated version of what happened to him in Seattle

So you think what is being said by the coach is bs?

We'd like to get him more opportunities in the offense as opposed to limited or one short-yardage play here,'' Linehan said of Michael. "We feel like he's ready for some more carries.

"C-Mike has done a good job. He's worked hard since he's been here. It takes a while to learn a new system, a new way of doing things. I think he's done a good job of doing that.''""

Not at all ... but pay attention the actual words not just what you want to hear.He said "we'd like to" get him more opportunities (Not "we will" or "we are going to")

"We feel like he's (not " he's definitely") ready for "some" (Not "much more" or "a lot") more carries.

He's worked hard since he's been here. (they've been saying this since he got there).

To sum it up... He's basically saying Michael might get more than 1 carry

Lol...be carefull...if you stretch any further you will pull a hammy

Actually quite the opposite ... taking the words at face value.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

ESPN Cowboys reporter Todd Archer said Joseph Randle will remain the "lead ball carrier" for Dallas.

Archer said Christine Michael will become more involved, "But all he needs to do to be involved 'more' is get two carries in a game." Cowboys OC Scott Linehan said earlier in the week Randle would handle "a good bulk" of the team's carries and added not to expect "big, huge changes" at the running back position.

Here's what I don't understand: if the above is true, why give michael the bulk of 1st team reps at Rb for the last 2 weeks of practice? Is randle so good at Rb that he doesn't need those reps? It just doesn't add up.

Keep in mind the bs that the Cowboys spread pretty thick about whether Randle or McFadden would be the starter to open the season. That went on for two weeks.

And look I've been pretty pro-Randle, I don't see why Randle has to be torn down to build up Michael, but when I see a starter sharing first team reps I'm thinking that starter is about to see a reduction of role somehow. Also that Dunbar/McFadden role is worth something too.

 

[menobrown]

I'm guessing they dont like what they at at practice. Sane thing as the Seahawks. He'll be out of the league soon

This guy, Broaddus, had me hyped for about two weeks with his Michael tweets, saying stuff like he expected him to start, took the over on 10 carries, etc, etc.. And then late last night he flipped course and started massively lowing expectations and I pasted his last tweet on it below.

My guess is they gave Michael first team reps and wanted him to seize the role but he does not know the plays. Goes back to what Carrol said about not being able to trust him. New location, same issue.

I'm holding onto him in a few dynasty leagues and was looking forward to seeing him play just so I could determine if I needed to keep hanging on, especially when difficult off-season roster cuts are due. Disappointed he may not get much of a chance to play, but on the other hand I might have just got my answer on what I'll need to do with him.

Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus 12h12 hours ago

Bryan Broaddus Retweeted John Bradshaw

Concerns on mental side.

Bryan Broaddus added,

John Bradshaw @ozporkhunter22 @BryanBroaddus concerns, he has had 2 bloody runs, give him a chance.

 

[ourmanflint]

I'm guessing they dont like what they at at practice. Sane thing as the Seahawks. He'll be out of the league soon

This guy, Broaddus, had me hyped for about two weeks with his Michael tweets, saying stuff like he expected him to start, took the over on 10 carries, etc, etc.. And then late last night he flipped course and started massively lowing expectations and I pasted his last tweet on it below.

My guess is they gave Michael first team reps and wanted him to seize the role but he does not know the plays. Goes back to what Carrol said about not being able to trust him. New location, same issue.

I'm holding onto him in a few dynasty leagues and was looking forward to seeing him play just so I could determine if I needed to keep hanging on, especially when difficult off-season roster cuts are due. Disappointed he may not get much of a chance to play, but on the other hand I might have just got my answer on what I'll need to do with him.

Bryan Broaddus ‏@BryanBroaddus 12h12 hours ago

Bryan Broaddus Retweeted John Bradshaw

Concerns on mental side.

Bryan Broaddus added,

John Bradshaw @ozporkhunter22@BryanBroaddus concerns, he has had 2 bloody runs, give him a chance.

Good post. Makes perfect sense.

This also from Broaddus:

Even with Christine Michael getting more work with the offense, my gut tells me that Joseph Randle will get the start. On a side note, I am starting to wonder if Michael is really picking up the offense? Scott Linehan has never been interested in putting players on the field that he really didn’t trust – see Ryan Williams.

Link

 

[georg013]

Seems to be a case of people turning this into what their fantasy team needs instead of looking at the facts. I think it is telling that AGAIN the mental part is becoming an issue. As if we didnt already know that when he was in Seattle. Ignoring the obvious can be dangerous in this game. As of this moment I dont see how anything positive can be taken from that. Of course someone will try to spin it. You can spin pretty much anything these days. Clearly, Randle is still the starter until Chrsitine figures things out. Advice telling you to start Michael and expect big numbers is ill advised and presumptuous. For what it is worth I own Christine in my four team family league so I am pulling for him.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Here is what archer actually said

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4746385/new-faces-to-have-big-roles-in-cowboys-offense

"We'll continue to give those guys chances," coach Jason Garrett said. "With Lance Dunbar not being involved here the last few weeks because of his injury, we feel like that's a good opportunity to get C-Mike going. He's practiced well. We'll give him some chances as the week goes on and see how that presents itself in terms of an opportunity for him on Sunday."

 

[Black]

I am more convinced than ever. Cmike will put up top 5 numbers this week. Start him with confidence18/110/2 plus 3/2228.2 points in ppr

This is tracking the Soulfly Gordon thread from last year almost perfectly. That certainly started out well.

...and ended even better.

 

[matuski]

Must start DFS.

 

[tdoss]

Faster Mark Ingram...I'll take that.

 

[Quasimoto]

Here is what archer actually saidhttp://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4746385/new-faces-to-have-big-roles-in-cowboys-offense

"We'll continue to give those guys chances," coach Jason Garrett said. "With Lance Dunbar not being involved here the last few weeks because of his injury, we feel like that's a good opportunity to get C-Mike going. He's practiced well. We'll give him some chances as the week goes on and see how that presents itself in terms of an opportunity for him on Sunday."

Gosh....they sound so down on him...cant you see they are saying something very different. They could have said great instead of good or VERY well instead of just well.Based on that he must be making the same mistakes as he did in Seattle...right?????

You're getting pretty far out on a creaky limb in your support of a guy who's never done anything in the NFL. Are you gong to be here on Monday if he craps the bed on Sunday?

 

[Short Corner]

Here is what archer actually saidhttp://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4746385/new-faces-to-have-big-roles-in-cowboys-offense

"We'll continue to give those guys chances," coach Jason Garrett said. "With Lance Dunbar not being involved here the last few weeks because of his injury, we feel like that's a good opportunity to get C-Mike going. He's practiced well. We'll give him some chances as the week goes on and see how that presents itself in terms of an opportunity for him on Sunday."

Gosh....they sound so down on him...cant you see they are saying something very different. They could have said great instead of good or VERY well instead of just well.Based on that he must be making the same mistakes as he did in Seattle...right?????

You're getting pretty far out on a creaky limb in your support of a guy who's never done anything in the NFL. Are you gong to be here on Monday if he craps the bed on Sunday?

He'll throw another tantrum and get banned from this thread too.

 

[rickyg]

Can't we all just agree that c Mike is a total unknown and a lottery ticket? The definition of a lottery ticket is something that has only a small chance of coming to fruition. We'll have a good idea after tomorrow if this ticket will pay off. If not, it's really no big deal. He's nothing more than an end of the bench stash for most of us. So who cares? I own him in all of my leagues but I have very little invested. If he doesn't pan out I'm happy to drop him like a hot potato and on to the next ticket.

No need to go all crazy with the debates and blah blah blah.

 

[georg013]

Can't we all just agree that c Mike is a total unknown and a lottery ticket? The definition of a lottery ticket is something that has only a small chance of coming to fruition. We'll have a good idea after tomorrow if this ticket will pay off. If not, it's really no big deal. He's nothing more than an end of the bench stash for most of us. So who cares? I own him in all of my leagues but I have very little invested. If he doesn't pan out I'm happy to drop him like a hot potato and on to the next ticket.

No need to go all crazy with the debates and blah blah blah.

I think the problem is that there are some acting like he is a sure thing and then calling out those who dont agree.

 

[georg013]

Here is what archer actually saidhttp://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4746385/new-faces-to-have-big-roles-in-cowboys-offense

"We'll continue to give those guys chances," coach Jason Garrett said. "With Lance Dunbar not being involved here the last few weeks because of his injury, we feel like that's a good opportunity to get C-Mike going. He's practiced well. We'll give him some chances as the week goes on and see how that presents itself in terms of an opportunity for him on Sunday."

Gosh....they sound so down on him...cant you see they are saying something very different. They could have said great instead of good or VERY well instead of just well.Based on that he must be making the same mistakes as he did in Seattle...right?????

You're getting pretty far out on a creaky limb in your support of a guy who's never done anything in the NFL. Are you gong to be here on Monday if he craps the bed on Sunday?

He'll throw another tantrum and get banned from this thread too.

Lol. I think he finds a way to turn it into a positive. I would.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Must start DFS.

For his cost he does seem to have that high ceiling.

 

[bigbrownbag]

You all need to just give it up already.

 

[LawFitz]

Only true insiders know the real story, but the bits and pieces I've read make me think that he was given a chance to take over during the bye week practices and failed.

 

[Interseptopus]

Only true insiders know the real story, but the bits and pieces I've read make me think that he was given a chance to take over during the bye week practices and failed.

If you read between the lines I think this is correct. I don't think he's a lost cause yet for the season, but I do think he was given the chance and did not seize it

 

[The Man With No Name]

The guy's upside is huge. Whether he become fantasy relevant or not, he will or will not do it on my team in this league. Have been getting offers for him- for Andre Johnson, Antonio Andrews, Darren Mcfadden multiple times, Michael + for James Laurenaitis, Matt Prater, Michael plus M. Wheaton for Jon Stewrart (this was tempting)- all from the same guy.

 

[bigbrownbag]

Give up

 

[bigbrownbag]

"Tap the brakes"

More like slam the brakes

 

[fantasycurse42]

Have we discussed that he might be too stupid to learn the playbook? I know we did in the previous thread, probably time to start discussing it here.

 

[Chaka]

It is very difficult to understand why Michael is so polarizing. What is even more bizarre to me is that neither the supporters or the doubters seem to be able (or willing) to acknowledge that they are both participating in the same tactics. Each group seems to say that the other side is ignoring what appears obvious to their own respective viewpoint.

There are a few level heads in here who simply read the actual quotes coming from inside Dallas and take an even keel approach to them. It would be nice if their voices dominated this thread as opposed to those who either lack, or ignore, self awareness.

What we know is that there are multiple quotes coming from Cowboy coaches saying Michael will see increased opportunities and a few observations that he has received some first team reps. No coach has said he is dominating the first team reps, or that he ever did, or that he will be starting over Randle. The only thing we know is that the coaches said he will have more opportunity, considering his max opportunity so far has been one touch that really doesn't mean much.

So why do people get so bent out of shape over this guy to the point that they just seem to want to fight with each other rather than just read the news and see what happens?

 

[cracKer]

Public Service Announcement: Do not drop Michael if he does not meet your expectations this week, give him a few to work this stud role out

Brought to you by those of us (me) who picked up CJ Anderson last year when Ball got hurt, then dropped him after he got zero touches

 

[Quasimoto]

Public Service Announcement: Do not drop Michael if he does not meet your expectations this week, give him a few to work this stud role out

Brought to you by those of us (me) who picked up CJ Anderson last year when Ball got hurt, then dropped him after he got zero touches

Own him in a 10 team league where I'm OK at RB. If our oddly named rock toter doesn't give reason for hope tomorrow, and nobody in my league offers anything for him, then he's going for a Tuesday swim.

 

[Loipz]

Public Service Announcement: Do not drop Michael if he does not meet your expectations this week, give him a few to work this stud role out

Brought to you by those of us (me) who picked up CJ Anderson last year when Ball got hurt, then dropped him after he got zero touches

I did this when hillman got rolling. Then got hurt and of course CJ was gone. Much regret.