Chronicles of an IDP Dynasty League Rebuild (1 Viewer)

[Zoomanji]

How do you determine with whom the free agents sign? Does every team submit one bid for each free agent that they want and the highest bid gets that player? Does RFA work this way too, with the team who has the rights to that player get a chance to match it?

rover is correct and left one small thing out is that you can also trade an RFA at any time...so even if one of your RFAs has a bid of say $20 and you only have $5 you can trade him to someone else for some form of compensation...sometimes owners decide that something is better then nothing...and sometimes there arent any other buyers.

But you are only trading the rights to the player, correct?

Correct. It is actually the right to match any bid.

 

[Keg]

i plan to update after RFA is complete but figured I would share the cost of the first player i got to match

CHAD JOHNSON $41 one of the owners bid on him 5hours into RFA and he didnt recv any other bids...i sure was hoping he wouldnt cost me more then the $30 range but I couldnt let him walk.

 

[nortobc]

How do you determine with whom the free agents sign? Does every team submit one bid for each free agent that they want and the highest bid gets that player? Does RFA work this way too, with the team who has the rights to that player get a chance to match it?

RFA become available every April when their assigned contract in years runs out. Bidding is open and public. Once 24 hours passes since the LAST bid, the bidding is closed and owners have the right to match the high bid and retain the player, and assign him a new contract, or choose to let him go to the high bidder (all in league bucks, not cash) . FA's are blind bids and occurs at various points including weekly during the season. No, I'm not in this particular league with Keg, but I am in another with him, and the rules are similar.

What determines this new contract?If one of your players is a FA at the end of the season, can you resign him or does he automatically go into the FA pool and cannot be bid on until the next season begins? What determines a RFA from a FA?

The owner dictates the contract. Some leagues limit them at a 5 year max, some leagues are higher. Each team only has a certain amount of contract years available. My leagues are 90 available contract years split-up between 35 players.When a contract runs out, the player becomes a RFA (the owner then holds the right to match any offer during the RFA signing period). Players who had no contracts are FAs.

So how does the Taxi Squad work? They do not have contracts, correct?

 

[Keg]

How do you determine with whom the free agents sign? Does every team submit one bid for each free agent that they want and the highest bid gets that player? Does RFA work this way too, with the team who has the rights to that player get a chance to match it?

RFA become available every April when their assigned contract in years runs out. Bidding is open and public. Once 24 hours passes since the LAST bid, the bidding is closed and owners have the right to match the high bid and retain the player, and assign him a new contract, or choose to let him go to the high bidder (all in league bucks, not cash) . FA's are blind bids and occurs at various points including weekly during the season. No, I'm not in this particular league with Keg, but I am in another with him, and the rules are similar.

What determines this new contract?If one of your players is a FA at the end of the season, can you resign him or does he automatically go into the FA pool and cannot be bid on until the next season begins? What determines a RFA from a FA?

The owner dictates the contract. Some leagues limit them at a 5 year max, some leagues are higher. Each team only has a certain amount of contract years available. My leagues are 90 available contract years split-up between 35 players.When a contract runs out, the player becomes a RFA (the owner then holds the right to match any offer during the RFA signing period). Players who had no contracts are FAs.

So how does the Taxi Squad work? They do not have contracts, correct?

Correct, DTS players do not have contracts...every year we have a ROOKIE DRAFT and those players can be placed on your Taxi squad...they can remain there a total of 3 seasons before they have to be activated and given a contract or cut...the DTS(taxi squad) can only have a max of 12 players on it...after the rookie draft you can pick up other ROOKIES VIA FA and place them on your DTS if you have the room....however if say I drafted Marshawn Lynch and gave him a 5yr contract and then in october I cut him another team could acquire him thru FA but he would then be INELIGIBLE for the DTS because he was on an active roster..did that make sense?

now say that Player Z is a rookie this yr and goes all season without ending up on a roster and then next July someone picks him up in FA...he has to be placed on an active roster and is not eligible for the DTS.

 

[nortobc]

How do you determine with whom the free agents sign? Does every team submit one bid for each free agent that they want and the highest bid gets that player? Does RFA work this way too, with the team who has the rights to that player get a chance to match it?

RFA become available every April when their assigned contract in years runs out. Bidding is open and public. Once 24 hours passes since the LAST bid, the bidding is closed and owners have the right to match the high bid and retain the player, and assign him a new contract, or choose to let him go to the high bidder (all in league bucks, not cash) . FA's are blind bids and occurs at various points including weekly during the season. No, I'm not in this particular league with Keg, but I am in another with him, and the rules are similar.

What determines this new contract?If one of your players is a FA at the end of the season, can you resign him or does he automatically go into the FA pool and cannot be bid on until the next season begins? What determines a RFA from a FA?

The owner dictates the contract. Some leagues limit them at a 5 year max, some leagues are higher. Each team only has a certain amount of contract years available. My leagues are 90 available contract years split-up between 35 players.When a contract runs out, the player becomes a RFA (the owner then holds the right to match any offer during the RFA signing period). Players who had no contracts are FAs.

So how does the Taxi Squad work? They do not have contracts, correct?

Correct, DTS players do not have contracts...every year we have a ROOKIE DRAFT and those players can be placed on your Taxi squad...they can remain there a total of 3 seasons before they have to be activated and given a contract or cut...the DTS(taxi squad) can only have a max of 12 players on it...after the rookie draft you can pick up other ROOKIES VIA FA and place them on your DTS if you have the room....however if say I drafted Marshawn Lynch and gave him a 5yr contract and then in october I cut him another team could acquire him thru FA but he would then be INELIGIBLE for the DTS because he was on an active roster..did that make sense?

now say that Player Z is a rookie this yr and goes all season without ending up on a roster and then next July someone picks him up in FA...he has to be placed on an active roster and is not eligible for the DTS.

OK...that makes sense. So only a rookie can be placed on the taxi squad. However, once on the taxi squad, he can stay up to 3 years.What about this scenerio. Player Z in on Team A's taxi squad for 2 years. Team A trades Player Z to Team B. Is he placed on Team B's taxi squad?

 

[Beaumont]

How do you determine with whom the free agents sign? Does every team submit one bid for each free agent that they want and the highest bid gets that player? Does RFA work this way too, with the team who has the rights to that player get a chance to match it?

RFA become available every April when their assigned contract in years runs out. Bidding is open and public. Once 24 hours passes since the LAST bid, the bidding is closed and owners have the right to match the high bid and retain the player, and assign him a new contract, or choose to let him go to the high bidder (all in league bucks, not cash) . FA's are blind bids and occurs at various points including weekly during the season. No, I'm not in this particular league with Keg, but I am in another with him, and the rules are similar.

What determines this new contract?If one of your players is a FA at the end of the season, can you resign him or does he automatically go into the FA pool and cannot be bid on until the next season begins? What determines a RFA from a FA?

The owner dictates the contract. Some leagues limit them at a 5 year max, some leagues are higher. Each team only has a certain amount of contract years available. My leagues are 90 available contract years split-up between 35 players.When a contract runs out, the player becomes a RFA (the owner then holds the right to match any offer during the RFA signing period). Players who had no contracts are FAs.

So how does the Taxi Squad work? They do not have contracts, correct?

Correct, DTS players do not have contracts...every year we have a ROOKIE DRAFT and those players can be placed on your Taxi squad...they can remain there a total of 3 seasons before they have to be activated and given a contract or cut...the DTS(taxi squad) can only have a max of 12 players on it...after the rookie draft you can pick up other ROOKIES VIA FA and place them on your DTS if you have the room....however if say I drafted Marshawn Lynch and gave him a 5yr contract and then in october I cut him another team could acquire him thru FA but he would then be INELIGIBLE for the DTS because he was on an active roster..did that make sense?

now say that Player Z is a rookie this yr and goes all season without ending up on a roster and then next July someone picks him up in FA...he has to be placed on an active roster and is not eligible for the DTS.

OK...that makes sense. So only a rookie can be placed on the taxi squad. However, once on the taxi squad, he can stay up to 3 years.What about this scenerio. Player Z in on Team A's taxi squad for 2 years. Team A trades Player Z to Team B. Is he placed on Team B's taxi squad?

yes, or the acquiring team may assign a contract

 

[The Sandman]

2006 End of Season Roster:

CSimms(4),SWallace(2),Nall(3),McMahon(1)

Caddy(5),JJArington(5), Fargas(2),KFaulk(1),Pass(1),ShaudWilliams(1)

SinoriceMoss(6),RandelEl(1),CWilson(1)CMoore(1),

RGardner(1),ADavis(1),AChatman(1)

CourtneyAnderson(2)

Kaeding(3),Scobee(4)

JaredAllen(2),Stoud(2),Pickett(1)

CGreenway(5)SCooper(3),Wilhelm(3),CalebMiller(1),Ulbrich(2),

Bockwoldt(3),Poppinga(1),LArrington(2)

SeanTaylor(8),JBullocks(3),MichaelLewis(4),CedricGriffin(3),Demps(2),Surtain(1)

DTS:

Jason Campbell, KClemens, BCroyle

REGGIE BUSH

Vincent Jackson, DHagan, Dem.Williams,JWebb

THoward, OGaither, Abdul Hodge, JamarWilliams

One thing I must be missing here. And forgive me if I missed it, but it sounds like you traded off your squad to intentionally get the top pick. If you cant start any of these DTS players, who did you start at QB, Wr and LB most of the season. Those positions are terrible, and RB isnt better, but at least there is CW.

My question, isnt that illegal to essentially lose on purpose. I understand this is a dynasty type league, But to trade so much to where you have no chance at all to win on any given week. Sounds like tanking in my neck of the woods. Im not sure this is a wise idea from a league point of view, and I can promise my league would scream bloody murder if anyone did something like this. Sure it helps you, but what about the other smucks in the league. Were they cool with this massive rebuild.

 

[Rovers]

Well, now you've brought up a can of worms. There were people in this league that were very unhappy with the way this rebiuld was done.

This is a pretty gray area.... some people think that not starting your best line up is tanking, and it ends there. Others think it goes beyond that.... in general, using the DTS to stow a good player away until the roster is ready to compete is more or less an accepted way to rebuild in most leagues.

Completey gutting a team the way Keg did is not something I would be comfortable with personally, but, the flip side is if you've paid your money, and are willing to lose for a year or two, do you have the right to rebuild anyway you want as long as all of your roster moves are within league rules? Also, this can't be done without cooperation from other owners in the league... they are the ones who bought the best players off.

How is that for fence sitting? Yes there was and continues to be a chitstorm over this rebuild, but the commish has the final say after all is said and done. It's almost impossible to write a rule set as to how a rebuild can and cannot be done, and then enforce it. Keg took advantage of how the rules are written. He took plenty of heat about it. In the end, the commish ruled in his favor.

The only reason I commented on this is because I'm NOT in that league, but have a good idea of what went on, and am hopefully objective about it. What was done here is a little too over the top for me to ever consider doing, but I don't condenm the way it was done either. Having said all of that, I'm glad no one in the leagues I play in have taken this strategy, and during rebuilds still had some viable starters to put in their line ups.

 

[Keg]

2006 End of Season Roster:CSimms(4),SWallace(2),Nall(3),McMahon(1)Caddy(5),JJArington(5), Fargas(2),KFaulk(1),Pass(1),ShaudWilliams(1)SinoriceMoss(6),RandelEl(1),CWilson(1)CMoore(1),RGardner(1),ADavis(1),AChatman(1)CourtneyAnderson(2)Kaeding(3),Scobee(4)JaredAllen(2),Stoud(2),Pickett(1)CGreenway(5)SCooper(3),Wilhelm(3),CalebMiller(1),Ulbrich(2),Bockwoldt(3),Poppinga(1),LArrington(2)SeanTaylor(8),JBullocks(3),MichaelLewis(4),CedricGriffin(3),Demps(2),Surtain(1)DTS:Jason Campbell, KClemens, BCroyleREGGIE BUSHVincent Jackson, DHagan, Dem.Williams,JWebbTHoward, OGaither, Abdul Hodge, JamarWilliamsOne thing I must be missing here. And forgive me if I missed it, but it sounds like you traded off your squad to intentionally get the top pick. If you cant start any of these DTS players, who did you start at QB, Wr and LB most of the season. Those positions are terrible, and RB isnt better, but at least there is CW. My question, isnt that illegal to essentially lose on purpose. I understand this is a dynasty type league, But to trade so much to where you have no chance at all to win on any given week. Sounds like tanking in my neck of the woods. Im not sure this is a wise idea from a league point of view, and I can promise my league would scream bloody murder if anyone did something like this. Sure it helps you, but what about the other smucks in the league. Were they cool with this massive rebuild.

if you look at the beginning of my post it shows all of the RFAs that are avail in this RFA period...that is what my focus was on.....1.1 was not something that I was worried about nor trying to obtain...in the end it happened but it wasnt a part of my decision to tear down and rebuild...imo if it was it would have been a poor decision because there are many instances that rook picks(including 1.1) dont pan out...

 

[nortobc]

So what happens if you cut a player before his contract has expired? Is there a penalty?

 

[Keg]

So what happens if you cut a player before his contract has expired? Is there a penalty?

yes you get a 1yr cap penalty assessed for that season....90 contract yrs if you cut a guy with 5 yr deal you will free up 4yrswe have a time period after the season that we can cut people without a cap penalty...we also have 35 roster spots and up until i think week 8 you have to allocate 1 cap yr for each slot...so if you only have 34 players on roster that 35th roster spot still needs to have an avail 1yr contract for it...after week 8 it doesnt matter...did any of that make sense? lol

 

[sheetstainer]

One thing I must be missing here. And forgive me if I missed it, but it sounds like you traded off your squad to intentionally get the top pick. If you cant start any of these DTS players, who did you start at QB, Wr and LB most of the season. Those positions are terrible, and RB isnt better, but at least there is CW.

My question, isnt that illegal to essentially lose on purpose. I understand this is a dynasty type league, But to trade so much to where you have no chance at all to win on any given week. Sounds like tanking in my neck of the woods. Im not sure this is a wise idea from a league point of view, and I can promise my league would scream bloody murder if anyone did something like this. Sure it helps you, but what about the other smucks in the league. Were they cool with this massive rebuild.

I heard one person quit the league over this. I honestly can't believe there weren't more. Whats more befuddling, besides the guy that quit, only 2 other owners were upset about this at all. Amazing that you could take a giant crap on that league and nobody seemed to care.

 

[Keg]

I heard one person quit the league over this. I honestly can't believe there weren't more. Whats more befuddling, besides the guy that quit, only 2 other owners were upset about this at all. Amazing that you could take a giant crap on that league and nobody seemed to care.

more amazing that before you and sandman not a single person has had a word to say about tanking...my writeup CLEARLY states that I was rebuilding with RFA 07 in mind...I hope that these 2 alias' dont crap on this thread and ruin it for those that might find it useful. I bet if a mod were to ck the IP addresses for THE SANDMAN it would be the dallas area and for sheetstainer it would be the Vegas area.

 

[bcr8f]

So what happens if you cut a player before his contract has expired? Is there a penalty?

yes you get a 1yr cap penalty assessed for that season....90 contract yrs if you cut a guy with 5 yr deal you will free up 4yrswe have a time period after the season that we can cut people without a cap penalty...we also have 35 roster spots and up until i think week 8 you have to allocate 1 cap yr for each slot...so if you only have 34 players on roster that 35th roster spot still needs to have an avail 1yr contract for it...after week 8 it doesnt matter...did any of that make sense? lol

If someone picks up the dropped player do you get the 1 year back?

 

[Keg]

So what happens if you cut a player before his contract has expired? Is there a penalty?

yes you get a 1yr cap penalty assessed for that season....90 contract yrs if you cut a guy with 5 yr deal you will free up 4yrswe have a time period after the season that we can cut people without a cap penalty...we also have 35 roster spots and up until i think week 8 you have to allocate 1 cap yr for each slot...so if you only have 34 players on roster that 35th roster spot still needs to have an avail 1yr contract for it...after week 8 it doesnt matter...did any of that make sense? lol

If someone picks up the dropped player do you get the 1 year back?

yes

 

[Keg]

Boston Tea Party trade rights to CJ

Keg Trades $5, 3.15 pick 2007, 6.11 pick 2007

Thoughts: A pretty steep price to pay for CJs rights when I could just bid on him but to me its an insurance premium to make sure he ends up on my squad...now to figure out if he will get higher bids to drain my money or will he get fewer bids because of my money...my odds are on people trying to drain me.

You'll be suprise. Just act nonchalant about rather or not CJ stays on your team or not. The other owners may feel that it's a waste of energy to try and get CJ because of the mula that you have.

ohhh you were so very very very wrong...i will be updating my RFA period very shortlyjust a quick look at who and what their cost in RFA was to me

Chad Johnson $41(doesnt include the 5 i paid for his rights)

Crowell $25

Brees $15(doesnt include the 10 i paid for his rights)

Osi $10

Adrian Wilson$9(doesnt include the 10 i paid for his rights)

 

[Last Boy Scout]

As a member of this league, there is a little more to the story than Keg is telling.

First of all bragging at this site like this post is intended, is quite humerous actually. Wonder why Keg didnt put a post like this on the other site, where he did his injustices. ,

Keg is failing to tell everyone he tanked the whole season to get where he is today. Our rules said no tanking was allowed, yet Keg bipassed those rules, and instead of sitting players who scored points for those who did not, which is the most common form of tanking, Keg traded away every asset he had to intentionally take goose eggs at QB, RB, WR, and LB, to make it impossible for him to win a game. When he still won week 1, he stripped even the one future guy he had locked up for 6 yrs, on his active roster he was going to build his team around, LB Antonio Pierce to make sure he didnt win again. So basically he took around 30 0s in his lineup over the course of the season, was a patsie for every team he played, winning only 2 games, which was a miracle he won any. What kind of integrity must you have to ltry and intentionally ose on purpose, every week, for a whole season, knowing next yr you will get the #1 pick.

Every trade keg made was for cash, so essentially he got the #1 pick and 4 times the average cash of everyone else to bid on a new team this yr. So while he brags about what he is getting in RFA, he did so at the expense of the league last yr. So if you want to sell jeopardize your charachter and ruin your integrity, feel free to do what Keg did, and tank a whole season in a Dynasty League, to get the #1 pick in the draft the next yr. Because that is exactly what he did, and is bragging about in this post, He just failed to tell those small details.

BTW, the same commish who thought it would be no big deal to allow Keg to strip his team to nothing last yr, is now trying to implement rules to make sure this never happens again. Imagine that.....

 

[slickwillie]

my ? would be, if everyone in the league knew what he was doing, and didnt think it was really above board, then who did he make all these deals with. if it was those same owners, then arent they just as much a party to the bad deed, as they helped him along. aiding and abetting i say.

this crap infested the local messageboards and more than just this league already, lets drop it from the fbg board.

 

[Beaumont]

this crap infested the local messageboards and more than just this league already, lets drop it from the fbg board.

 

[Last Boy Scout]

my ? would be, if everyone in the league knew what he was doing, and didnt think it was really above board, then who did he make all these deals with. if it was those same owners, then arent they just as much a party to the bad deed, as they helped him along. aiding and abetting i say. this crap infested the local messageboards and more than just this league already, lets drop it from the fbg board.

Several owners have now quit, and several had a problem at the time, but the Commish said it wasnt tanking, though it clearly was. Now he is wanting to never allow it again. Hey, I saw this post here, Keg bragging about his rebuild, I just wanted everyone to know all the facts.

 

[Jene Bramel]

The legitimacy of the strategy and its week-to-week implementation has been discussed in mulitple threads (here and elsewhere apparently). I'm willing to allow some discussion of how this plays out this season, but will lock this thread if it becomes a back and forth between leaguemates who disagree with the strategy. That discussion can be had on its own league board.

This Forum usually consists of some of the most civil discussion here. If you want to discuss the strategy, fine. But do it in the abstract and without personal attacks.

Thanks.

 

[slickwillie]

my ? would be, if everyone in the league knew what he was doing, and didnt think it was really above board, then who did he make all these deals with. if it was those same owners, then arent they just as much a party to the bad deed, as they helped him along. aiding and abetting i say. this crap infested the local messageboards and more than just this league already, lets drop it from the fbg board.

Several owners have now quit, and several had a problem at the time, but the Commish said it wasnt tanking, though it clearly was. Now he is wanting to never allow it again. Hey, I saw this post here, Keg bragging about his rebuild, I just wanted everyone to know all the facts.

and im not saying that you shouldnt give your opinion, and it was more than fine that you stated your case for what happened. all im saying is lets not have it turn into a full blown pissing contest, like it has every where else its been discussed. you both have your points of view on the scenario that happened, both will never agree with the other, we all get that, let it go, both of you. for what its worth, i believe i am fairly good friends with many of the parties involved in this whole situation, but also an outside party to it. this has destroyed plenty, and caused several good fantasy minds to be preoccupied with things that just dont matter at this point.

 

[slickwillie]

The legitimacy of the strategy and its week-to-week implementation has been discussed in mulitple threads (here and elsewhere apparently). I'm willing to allow some discussion of how this plays out this season, but will lock this thread if it becomes a back and forth between leaguemates who disagree with the strategy. That discussion can be had on its own league board. This Forum usually consists of some of the most civil discussion here. If you want to discuss the strategy, fine. But do it in the abstract and without personal attacks.Thanks.

amen brother jene

 

[Last Boy Scout]

The legitimacy of the strategy and its week-to-week implementation has been discussed in mulitple threads (here and elsewhere apparently). I'm willing to allow some discussion of how this plays out this season, but will lock this thread if it becomes a back and forth between leaguemates who disagree with the strategy. That discussion can be had on its own league board. This Forum usually consists of some of the most civil discussion here. If you want to discuss the strategy, fine. But do it in the abstract and without personal attacks.Thanks.

My point was you and others didnt understand that this guy completely tanked a full season to get the top rookie pick in every round, and cash to then go take other teams players in Free agency. What he did was the equivilant to an NFL team trading every legitimate starting calibur player they had, for undrafted players, knock the teams payroll to under 10 mil, get the #1 pick in every round, and the next yr have 90% of your cap room available to shop for new players. I dont think this is a legitimate strategy as you spoke above, its flat out tanking. How this is playing out, was until now one side of the story to you guys. Now you have the full story. Most of us dont know each person, personally in internet leagues. So integrity is a huge part of what makes a league work, or fail. This league has lost muliple owners already because of this, and others will follow after this season .BTW, You obviously dont know me very well or you would know the difference between me giving another side to the story, and personal attacks. You want to see personal attacks, ask the tanker to give you links.

 

[sheetstainer]

This league was my absolute favorite to play in. Great people, very competitive, and the league became more of a family for everyone involved. I remember when it first started and some of us would spend all hours into the night talking about it and everything life has to offer. (Bunz, i miss those the most). Quitting for my beliefs was very hard for me. Maybe it was just me. I've seen people tank games later in the yr (especially keeper leagues and dynasties) but never from the offset. I guess other people don't have a problem with this ploy. I did.

Does deliberatley losing skew the balance of the league??? I think so, i guess others didn't. At least at the time they didn't.

I agree with any sentiment about people being free to run there teams anyway they choose too (within the rules). I also agree with people (Me) leaving leagues because of detrimental behaviors by others. If you knew how much i loved this league, you'll know how hard it was for me to quit. I felt like one of my family members took a big crap on me and my relatives. At first i was mad, then hurt, by what my brother had done.

I do find it extremely bizarre, that most of the league at the time thought what he was doing was ok, or were silent on the matter. In the offseason here, i have found they are instituting rules to deter this thing from the future. DOES THAT TELL YOU ANYTHING??? It gives me a little vindication that maybe i changed a few league members view on this situation by quitting.

I tried to avoid any personal attacks in this post, i hope i succeeded. I also hope it shows what "rebuilding" a team in this manner can do to a league. I wish all the fine people of this league nothing but the best in all you do.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Having read this thread from when he started it, I thought it was a very smart move and don't think I would have had a problem with it if I were in the league. His team should be very good in 2007 forward.

To whoever said it was equivilant to an NFL team doing what he did, that is not possible, and if it were , it would never happen. They must spend at least 85% of the salary cap each season. Maybe this league should implement that rule with all the complaining that seems to have been going on.

 

[Beaumont]

Having read this thread from when he started it, I thought it was a very smart move and don't think I would have had a problem with it if I were in the league. His team should be very good in 2007 forward.To whoever said it was equivilant to an NFL team doing what he did, that is not possible, and if it were , it would never happen. They must spend at least 85% of the salary cap each season. Maybe this league should implement that rule with all the complaining that seems to have been going on.

Its not a salary cap league. The $$$ is used only for bidding on FA and RFA players and does not continue any significance after it is spent.I am not in this league. I am in many other similar leagues with many of the same owners.I feel for all involved due to the ongoing catharsis and wish the bad feelings would just pass ...I feel that reasonable people can disagree as to these issues. I am glad we have not confronted the same issues in any other leagues ...The league at issue is generally considered one of if not the crown jewel of about 15 similar (but not identical) leagues and I understand how competitive fire makes people feel strongly about the issues.Ultimately, though, its none of my business ...

 

[Last Boy Scout]

This league was my absolute favorite to play in. Great people, very competitive, and the league became more of a family for everyone involved. I remember when it first started and some of us would spend all hours into the night talking about it and everything life has to offer. (Bunz, i miss those the most). Quitting for my beliefs was very hard for me. Maybe it was just me. I've seen people tank games later in the yr (especially keeper leagues and dynasties) but never from the offset. I guess other people don't have a problem with this ploy. I did. Does deliberatley losing skew the balance of the league??? I think so, i guess others didn't. At least at the time they didn't.I agree with any sentiment about people being free to run there teams anyway they choose too (within the rules). I also agree with people (Me) leaving leagues because of detrimental behaviors by others. If you knew how much i loved this league, you'll know how hard it was for me to quit. I felt like one of my family members took a big crap on me and my relatives. At first i was mad, then hurt, by what my brother had done. I do find it extremely bizarre, that most of the league at the time thought what he was doing was ok, or were silent on the matter. In the offseason here, i have found they are instituting rules to deter this thing from the future. DOES THAT TELL YOU ANYTHING??? It gives me a little vindication that maybe i changed a few league members view on this situation by quitting.I tried to avoid any personal attacks in this post, i hope i succeeded. I also hope it shows what "rebuilding" a team in this manner can do to a league. I wish all the fine people of this league nothing but the best in all you do.

We miss you as well Crispy. And many felt like you, a few have voiced our opinions loud and clear, trust me on that. I just wish you didnt leave, and instead the one responsible for the turmoil left. Just goes to show what tanking will do to a league. Seriously in what many of us do as a hobby, one individual has ruined relationships he had with many people, and lost his integrity along the way. Glad to hear you are still around buddy, and call Bunz. She would like to hear from you, I spoke with her last night. Great Gal I tell you. Great Gal.