On The Rocks
Footballguy
Homer Bailey got smoked again today. 
2/3 innings
3 hits
5 runs
5 ER
2 BB
1 SO
2 HR
ERA: 27.00
2/3 innings
3 hits
5 runs
5 ER
2 BB
1 SO
2 HR
ERA: 27.00
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Cincinnati Reds - 2007 (1 Viewer)
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shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
It's early.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
Don't get too fired up over Spring Training.
jafo
Out of Mind
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Josh Hamilton.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
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oso diablo
Footballguy
i caught the Reds/Yankees game last Wed in Tampa. Hamilton was the DH and played the whole game. I found that interesting, in that he's a lefty hitter, and a quality lefty (Pettitte) was pitching for NY. Reds must be giving him all the ABs they possibly can.
Other observations
Jeff Conine played 1B, and doesn't look much different (or older) than he has for the past 5 seasons or so. Can still hit.
Some dude named Hopper played RF. Looked pretty good, but i don't know anything about him.
1B Joey Votto cranked a HR to right, right after i called him a quadruple-A player. The Reds fan behind me snarked, "Triple-A, my ###."
Good pitching holding the Yanks to one run, but i don't remember who they were.
Other observations
Jeff Conine played 1B, and doesn't look much different (or older) than he has for the past 5 seasons or so. Can still hit.
Some dude named Hopper played RF. Looked pretty good, but i don't know anything about him.
1B Joey Votto cranked a HR to right, right after i called him a quadruple-A player. The Reds fan behind me snarked, "Triple-A, my ###."
Good pitching holding the Yanks to one run, but i don't remember who they were.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Josh Hamilton went 2-2 last night and is now batting .571 this spring.
Yes, I know it is early and all that, but how does a guy come in at any level after not playing for a couple of years and knock the cover off the ball the way is?
It would be nice if the Reds managed to finally catch a little lightening in a bottle.
Yes, I know it is early and all that, but how does a guy come in at any level after not playing for a couple of years and knock the cover off the ball the way is?
It would be nice if the Reds managed to finally catch a little lightening in a bottle.
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
:Hobbs:
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
It's less than 12 months since the Reds caught Brandon Phillips.
Hamilton was always considered a rare talent. Scouts and teammates raved about "that sound" coming from his bat during batting practice. Can't remember who said it, but a very good player recently commented that he'd have little chance to make contact after two years without playing much less hitting 500 foot home runs off live pitching. He must have some kind of hand-eye coordination.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
It's less than 12 months since the Reds caught Brandon Phillips.
You are absolutely right. I suppose I sometimes fall into the "what have you done for me since yesterday" kind of fan.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
No worries.Hamilton might just pull me back in for 2007. I threw in the towel after the Kearns/Lopez for a bag of balls last year and Alex Gonzalez and Mike Stanton weren't helping.It's less than 12 months since the Reds caught Brandon Phillips.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Even if the Reds have a lot of injuries I don't think we will see him before August 1st. And if the Reds aren't in the thick of it, we may not see him until next year.
I saw that the Reds cut Paul Wilson today. They had a glut of very average pitchers and didn't have any room for him.
I saw that the Reds cut Paul Wilson today. They had a glut of very average pitchers and didn't have any room for him.
jafo
Out of Mind
Also of note, they've officially announced Griffey Jr. will be making the move from center to right field this year. He did have some good games in center last year, so it will be interesting to see how he does in RF.
As usual, there's discouraging news regarding Griffey Jr. & injuries.
As usual, there's discouraging news regarding Griffey Jr. & injuries.
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SoFresh&SoClean
Footballguy
Keep Bailey in the minors all year and I'd be fine with that.
The Reds are going to be serious contenders soon, if not this season.
The Reds are going to be serious contenders soon, if not this season.
I do not know if I can handle another year of your #####ing and moaning Brammel. I was kind of hoping you had left the Reds fold for good...No worries.Hamilton might just pull me back in for 2007. I threw in the towel after the Kearns/Lopez for a bag of balls last year and Alex Gonzalez and Mike Stanton weren't helping.It's less than 12 months since the Reds caught Brandon Phillips.
You are absolutely right. I suppose I sometimes fall into the "what have you done for me since yesterday" kind of fan.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Fixed.
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On The Rocks
Footballguy
there is certainly plenty of that. not just with the Reds but in the entire league. i cringe everytime i see a transaction report showing Reds acquiring a pitcher in the off season.they all seem to come from the same scrap heap.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
From John Fay's Cincinnati Enquirer blog:
Lots of it. Jery Narron and Wayne Krivsky just announced the following:
--Chris Denorfia needs "Tommy John" surgery.
Wow. That kind of came out of nowhere. Pretty much assures Hamilton will be a big part of this team with Freel acting like an idiot half the time in the field and Griffey a hangnail away from retirement.
--Bobby Livingston and and Gary Majewski were optioned to Louisville.
--Jeff Keppinger, Bill Bray and Elizardo Ramirez go on the DL and will rehab in the Floirda.
--Jerry Gil, Denorfia and Eddie Guardado go on the DL and come north with the team.
--Either Matt Belisle or Kirk Saarloos will be the fifth starter.
Sure hope this doesn't mean that Uncle Miltie isn't treated like the fifth starter and skipped a few times during the first six weeks.
--The last position player will be Norris Hopper or Chad Moeller.
--The last relief positions will go to a two of these three: Victos Santos, Jon Courlangus or Jared Burton.
Lots of it. Jery Narron and Wayne Krivsky just announced the following:
--Chris Denorfia needs "Tommy John" surgery.
Wow. That kind of came out of nowhere. Pretty much assures Hamilton will be a big part of this team with Freel acting like an idiot half the time in the field and Griffey a hangnail away from retirement.
--Bobby Livingston and and Gary Majewski were optioned to Louisville.
--Jeff Keppinger, Bill Bray and Elizardo Ramirez go on the DL and will rehab in the Floirda.
--Jerry Gil, Denorfia and Eddie Guardado go on the DL and come north with the team.
--Either Matt Belisle or Kirk Saarloos will be the fifth starter.
Sure hope this doesn't mean that Uncle Miltie isn't treated like the fifth starter and skipped a few times during the first six weeks.
--The last position player will be Norris Hopper or Chad Moeller.
--The last relief positions will go to a two of these three: Victos Santos, Jon Courlangus or Jared Burton.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
The Houston Stallions
Footballguy
Do you think he will be the closer to start the season or does this change things??
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
I'm getting very pessimistic on him. I'd guess that Weathers starts out as the closer.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Ok, let's clear some things up here b/c the national roto sites have had this wrong all along. Hermanson was never named the closer. He was never the favorite to close. The idea that he was came merely from the speculation of local beat writer John Fay, who is basically useless. Jerry Narron has been decidedly mum on the closer question.The best bet for saves is David Weathers. Coffey has had the better spring, but his closer trial last season went poorly enough for Narron to feel once bitten twice shy there. Knowing Narron's tendencies, Mike Stanton will get some saves especially if it's a 9th inning lefty-heavy lineup. Oh, and seriously...Dustin Hermanson may not even make the team to start the season. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he begins the year in AAA until he proves that he's right.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Probable 25 man roster:
C - David Ross
PH/C - Nacho Libre Valentin
Waste - Chad Moeller
1B - Scott Hatteberg
1B/PH/OF - Jeff Conine
2B - Brandon Phillips
SS - Alex Gonzalez
3B - Edwin Encarnacion
Manos de Oro - Juan Castro
LF - Adam Dunn
CF/UT - Ryan Freel
RF - Ken Grumpy Jr.
Phenom - Josh Hamilton
SP1 - Aaron Harang
SP2 - Bronson Arroyo
SP3 - Kyle Lohse
SP4 - Eric Milton (could be DL'd to start the season)
SP5/Long Relief - Matt Belisle
SP5/Long Relief - Kirk Saarloos
SP5/Long Relief - Victor Santos
CL - David Weathers
CL/LOOGY - Mike Stanton
Setup - Todd Coffey
LOOGY - Rheal Cormier
Rule 5 Keeper - Jared Burton
Possibly to AAA - Dustin Hermanson
Possible Lefty Reliever - Jon Coutlangus
Keep an eye on - Bobby Livingston as 5th starter in the wings
Pitching Phenom - Homer Bailey to start in minors after getting bombed in a couple early spring outings
DL Position Players - Chris Denorfia, Norris Hopper, Jerry Gil, Jeff Keppinger
DL Pitchers - Bill Bray, Gary Majewski (technically to AAA, but will be back when/if healthy), Eddie Guardado
C - David Ross
PH/C - Nacho Libre Valentin
Waste - Chad Moeller
1B - Scott Hatteberg
1B/PH/OF - Jeff Conine
2B - Brandon Phillips
SS - Alex Gonzalez
3B - Edwin Encarnacion
Manos de Oro - Juan Castro
LF - Adam Dunn
CF/UT - Ryan Freel
RF - Ken Grumpy Jr.
Phenom - Josh Hamilton
SP1 - Aaron Harang
SP2 - Bronson Arroyo
SP3 - Kyle Lohse
SP4 - Eric Milton (could be DL'd to start the season)
SP5/Long Relief - Matt Belisle
SP5/Long Relief - Kirk Saarloos
SP5/Long Relief - Victor Santos
CL - David Weathers
CL/LOOGY - Mike Stanton
Setup - Todd Coffey
LOOGY - Rheal Cormier
Rule 5 Keeper - Jared Burton
Possibly to AAA - Dustin Hermanson
Possible Lefty Reliever - Jon Coutlangus
Keep an eye on - Bobby Livingston as 5th starter in the wings
Pitching Phenom - Homer Bailey to start in minors after getting bombed in a couple early spring outings
DL Position Players - Chris Denorfia, Norris Hopper, Jerry Gil, Jeff Keppinger
DL Pitchers - Bill Bray, Gary Majewski (technically to AAA, but will be back when/if healthy), Eddie Guardado
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On The Rocks
Footballguy
I am very pessimistic about the entire staff.Milton has looked awful all all spring. Loshe looks avg. one day and below avg. the next. What really has me nervous is that Harang has looked bad the last two or three times out.I know it is early, but it is the same concerns we have had for the past 17 years.Fla\/\/ed said:
The Houston Stallions
Footballguy
They cut him today.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Dustin Hermanson released...
Raise your hand if you listened to FBG forums and ditched the "whatever everybody else is saying" roto sites. David Weathers vs. righties, Mike Stanton vs. lefties. Hermanson gone, Milton to DL.To keep things clear, Coffey & Saarloos might pop up for a save once in awhile, but Saarloos has a better chance of landing in the rotation than he does closing games.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Good call on your part with Hermanson.He looked "ok" in early spring but in recent weeks he got tagged everytime out.I don't know what the deal is with Coffey. How can a guy be so good as a set up but be such an utter failure as a closer?Dustin Hermanson released...Raise your hand if you listened to FBG forums and ditched the "whatever everybody else is saying" roto sites.
David Weathers vs. righties, Mike Stanton vs. lefties. Hermanson gone, Milton to DL.To keep things clear, Coffey & Saarloos might pop up for a save once in awhile, but Saarloos has a better chance of landing in the rotation than he does closing games.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Sabermetric orthodoxy isn't any better than old school baseball orthodoxy. Just because a guy can pitch in the middle innings or set-up, that doesn't mean he's prepared for the pressure of closing. Then again, it could be small sample size or luck. My feeling is the rookie Coffey just wasn't ready for the role last season, and most managers like to have a bullpen of defined roles depending on who has earned the trust in the high leverage situations. Coffey is going to have earn that trust again...or wait until Narron gets so desperate for a closer that he has no choice but to turn to Coffey.I think it's Weathers for now, but when Narron doesn't have a dominant closer, he likes to go with a lefty in the 9th if the other team has lefty hitters coming up. I was assuming that would be Stanton's role for the money they gave him, but it looks like the rookie Jon Coutlangus (former position player, claimed off waivers from the Giants last offseason and pitched well at AA in '06) may be the one Narron turns to in that situation.Good call on your part with Hermanson.He looked "ok" in early spring but in recent weeks he got tagged everytime out.I don't know what the deal is with Coffey. How can a guy be so good as a set up but be such an utter failure as a closer?Dustin Hermanson released... :( Raise your hand if you listened to FBG forums and ditched the "whatever everybody else is saying" roto sites.David Weathers vs. righties, Mike Stanton vs. lefties. Hermanson gone, Milton to DL.To keep things clear, Coffey & Saarloos might pop up for a save once in awhile, but Saarloos has a better chance of landing in the rotation than he does closing games.
Caesar
Footballguy
2 of 3 to start the year from the Scrubs... not a bad start. I figure they only need 82 more wins to take the division... wanna start a countdown? 
Offense has looked a little sluggish to be honest.. not going to worry after three games, two of which were in 30's weather, but they will need to be better against the butt pirates this weekend.
Offense has looked a little sluggish to be honest.. not going to worry after three games, two of which were in 30's weather, but they will need to be better against the butt pirates this weekend.
