CJ spiller value (1 Viewer)

[BigTex]

We should not lump Spiller into the growing myriad of CJ_K nicknames going around..........How about CJ "Big Play" Spiller?

Spiller LiteSpiller Time

 

[matttyl]

We should not lump Spiller into the growing myriad of CJ_K nicknames going around..........How about CJ "Big Play" Spiller?

Spiller LiteSpiller Time

Love the "Spiller time". That's my vote.

 

[TheFanatic]

Natural Born Spiller

CJ Thriller

 

[kingmalaki]

Would ya come off Spiller for either Cam or RG III in a keeper league?

 

[cvnpoka]

wow from doug martin to cam. pretty sick increase in value.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I think people assume that Spiller gets more time once Jackson returns. But I'm not sure about this. The Bills seem to trust Jackson, and I think it's possible Jackson goes back to getting 80% of the work when he returns. I'm not a Jackson owner, so this argument doesn't stem from wishful lthinking.

You will get slammed for the above post, even though it makes directional sense.Last year when Spiller was producing, the Bills were losing. This year, Spiller has produced in 1 game...and again the Bills lost. In contrast, last year when Jackson was healthy the Bills won a decent share of games.Not sure who to attribute that to....but some players know how to win....others know how to generate stats. Which do you think most NFL GMs would rather have?

I own Spiller. I'm rooting for him. I just think that people automatically assume that Spiller will win this job while Jackson's injured. But I think Jackson gets at least 50% of the work when he returns.

First 80%, now 50%, soon 20%?I'll be perfectly happy with a 60/40 split in Spiller's favor. I'm not greedy. Next year Jackson will be gone.

Look, none of us knows what's going to happen. All we do know is that Spiller's talent has not won him the job so far. I'd be thrilled if Spiller wins this job. But this thread is chock full of wishful thinking.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Reports out today that Jackson is already rehabbing and is ahead of schedule. He's on pace to be back in 2-3 weeks from now barring a setback.

 

[Road Warriors]

I think people assume that Spiller gets more time once Jackson returns. But I'm not sure about this. The Bills seem to trust Jackson, and I think it's possible Jackson goes back to getting 80% of the work when he returns. I'm not a Jackson owner, so this argument doesn't stem from wishful lthinking.

You will get slammed for the above post, even though it makes directional sense.Last year when Spiller was producing, the Bills were losing. This year, Spiller has produced in 1 game...and again the Bills lost. In contrast, last year when Jackson was healthy the Bills won a decent share of games.Not sure who to attribute that to....but some players know how to win....others know how to generate stats. Which do you think most NFL GMs would rather have?

I own Spiller. I'm rooting for him. I just think that people automatically assume that Spiller will win this job while Jackson's injured. But I think Jackson gets at least 50% of the work when he returns.

First 80%, now 50%, soon 20%?I'll be perfectly happy with a 60/40 split in Spiller's favor. I'm not greedy. Next year Jackson will be gone.

Look, none of us knows what's going to happen. All we do know is that Spiller's talent has not won him the job so far. I'd be thrilled if Spiller wins this job. But this thread is chock full of wishful thinking.

Won the job, as in Fred is a 5 carry backup? No, definitely not. Fred has earned his PT. He runs hard, gets the extra yardage, is a + player in the passing game, and has some franchise loyalty bonus baked in for his time served.However, with Spiller showing explosive plays, and seemingly requiring a smaller number of touches to be productive, I can definitely see this turning into a similar timeshare as Charles/Jones in KC a couple years back. I would expect to see a pretty even split of touches, in the 15-18 range for each. It keeps both guys fresh and limits injury risk on both.All this assuming Fred comes back fully healthy. If he's < 95%, I expect they'll keep him on the bench until he's fully ready to go, as ( up to this point, at least ) they've seen that Spiller can carry the load and be very productive.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

In need of a RB I almost accepted the trade between CJ for Jimmy Graham. But no way I can pull that trigger, knowing FJax is coming back in a month...

 

[jdoggydogg]

I think people assume that Spiller gets more time once Jackson returns. But I'm not sure about this. The Bills seem to trust Jackson, and I think it's possible Jackson goes back to getting 80% of the work when he returns. I'm not a Jackson owner, so this argument doesn't stem from wishful lthinking.

You will get slammed for the above post, even though it makes directional sense.Last year when Spiller was producing, the Bills were losing. This year, Spiller has produced in 1 game...and again the Bills lost. In contrast, last year when Jackson was healthy the Bills won a decent share of games.

Not sure who to attribute that to....but some players know how to win....others know how to generate stats. Which do you think most NFL GMs would rather have?

I own Spiller. I'm rooting for him. I just think that people automatically assume that Spiller will win this job while Jackson's injured. But I think Jackson gets at least 50% of the work when he returns.

First 80%, now 50%, soon 20%?I'll be perfectly happy with a 60/40 split in Spiller's favor. I'm not greedy. Next year Jackson will be gone.

Look, none of us knows what's going to happen. All we do know is that Spiller's talent has not won him the job so far. I'd be thrilled if Spiller wins this job. But this thread is chock full of wishful thinking.

Won the job, as in Fred is a 5 carry backup? No, definitely not. Fred has earned his PT. He runs hard, gets the extra yardage, is a + player in the passing game, and has some franchise loyalty bonus baked in for his time served.However, with Spiller showing explosive plays, and seemingly requiring a smaller number of touches to be productive, I can definitely see this turning into a similar timeshare as Charles/Jones in KC a couple years back. I would expect to see a pretty even split of touches, in the 15-18 range for each. It keeps both guys fresh and limits injury risk on both.

All this assuming Fred comes back fully healthy. If he's < 95%, I expect they'll keep him on the bench until he's fully ready to go, as ( up to this point, at least ) they've seen that Spiller can carry the load and be very productive.

This I can agree with.

 

[TheFanatic]

Reports out today that Jackson is already rehabbing and is ahead of schedule. He's on pace to be back in 2-3 weeks from now barring a setback.

Of course he is. He's going to bust his ### to get back early because the longer he is out the harder it will be for coaches and fans to remember why he deserves carries. The guy is 31. Rushing back from injury will only lead to another one...

 

[Djgb13]

Jackson will come back and they will split the load. You dont just bench your starting RB when he gets hurt because the back up is performing well. Coaches never do that. However I do think the Spiller has opened their eyes more to the fact that he can and will produce for the team. His work load should increase while Jacksons decreases. I expect Jackson will probably be gone within the next couple of years as he is getting too old.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I think people assume that Spiller gets more time once Jackson returns. But I'm not sure about this. The Bills seem to trust Jackson, and I think it's possible Jackson goes back to getting 80% of the work when he returns. I'm not a Jackson owner, so this argument doesn't stem from wishful lthinking.

You will get slammed for the above post, even though it makes directional sense.Last year when Spiller was producing, the Bills were losing. This year, Spiller has produced in 1 game...and again the Bills lost. In contrast, last year when Jackson was healthy the Bills won a decent share of games.

Not sure who to attribute that to....but some players know how to win....others know how to generate stats. Which do you think most NFL GMs would rather have?

I own Spiller. I'm rooting for him. I just think that people automatically assume that Spiller will win this job while Jackson's injured. But I think Jackson gets at least 50% of the work when he returns.

First 80%, now 50%, soon 20%?I'll be perfectly happy with a 60/40 split in Spiller's favor. I'm not greedy. Next year Jackson will be gone.

Look, none of us knows what's going to happen. All we do know is that Spiller's talent has not won him the job so far. I'd be thrilled if Spiller wins this job. But this thread is chock full of wishful thinking.

Won the job, as in Fred is a 5 carry backup? No, definitely not. Fred has earned his PT. He runs hard, gets the extra yardage, is a + player in the passing game, and has some franchise loyalty bonus baked in for his time served.However, with Spiller showing explosive plays, and seemingly requiring a smaller number of touches to be productive, I can definitely see this turning into a similar timeshare as Charles/Jones in KC a couple years back. I would expect to see a pretty even split of touches, in the 15-18 range for each. It keeps both guys fresh and limits injury risk on both.

All this assuming Fred comes back fully healthy. If he's < 95%, I expect they'll keep him on the bench until he's fully ready to go, as ( up to this point, at least ) they've seen that Spiller can carry the load and be very productive.

This I can agree with.

I agree with this, to a point.My issue is that one of Fjax best attributes is how he catches the ball out of the backfield... going to be interesting how they use him when he comes back.

Seems as though there will be an elephant in the room the next time Fjax and Chan Gailey discuss the game plan

 

[SayWhat?]

Serious question, that I'm struggling to answer myself. Why would the situation when Fred Jackson returns in X weeks (assuming full health) be any different than the situation from the end of last season to this preseason? What I mean is, Spiller performed remarkably well at the end of last season when Jackson was injured, yet when Fred Jackson returned from injury this preseason he was by all accounts going to be the lead dog for their offense. Now that Spiller is again producing well and assuming that he will continue to do so until Jackson returns in a few weeks, what is so different this time around? Why does everyone assume that Spiller is now the guy? I get that Jackson is 31, but he was 31 heading into this season and looked to have a stranglehold on the starting job.

I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Serious question, that I'm struggling to answer myself. Why would the situation when Fred Jackson returns in X weeks (assuming full health) be any different than the situation from the end of last season to this preseason? What I mean is, Spiller performed remarkably well at the end of last season when Jackson was injured, yet when Fred Jackson returned from injury this preseason he was by all accounts going to be the lead dog for their offense. Now that Spiller is again producing well and assuming that he will continue to do so until Jackson returns in a few weeks, what is so different this time around? Why does everyone assume that Spiller is now the guy? I get that Jackson is 31, but he was 31 heading into this season and looked to have a stranglehold on the starting job. I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

Did he have a strangehold? we really dont know. If we had 3 or 4 games worth of early season data we could of a seen a usage pattern by the Bills with regard to their RBs, but Freddy got hurt in the first game of action, early on . So any assumption that Freddy would of gotten 80% of the touches is not correct, yet alot of people seem to feel that way. Who the "starter" is, dont really matter, CJ has earned carries and if CJ remains healthy I think he will still be getting carries, even when Freddy returns to 100%. he is the teams best offensive weapon

 

[Concept Coop]

Serious question, that I'm struggling to answer myself. Why would the situation when Fred Jackson returns in X weeks (assuming full health) be any different than the situation from the end of last season to this preseason? What I mean is, Spiller performed remarkably well at the end of last season when Jackson was injured, yet when Fred Jackson returned from injury this preseason he was by all accounts going to be the lead dog for their offense. Now that Spiller is again producing well and assuming that he will continue to do so until Jackson returns in a few weeks, what is so different this time around? Why does everyone assume that Spiller is now the guy? I get that Jackson is 31, but he was 31 heading into this season and looked to have a stranglehold on the starting job. I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

I don't know that anyone but the Bills' staff know the answer to this. I think most of us would have started Spiller to start the season after his 6 game explosion to end last. That said, we don't know how much Buffalo planned to use Spiller this year - Jackson was injured very early on in the process. But I think it is clear that Spiller can produce huge numbers with 12-15 touches a game. Especially in PPR formats, I think his value is safe for the rest of the year, and beyond.

 

[the_Truth]

Serious question, that I'm struggling to answer myself. Why would the situation when Fred Jackson returns in X weeks (assuming full health) be any different than the situation from the end of last season to this preseason? What I mean is, Spiller performed remarkably well at the end of last season when Jackson was injured, yet when Fred Jackson returned from injury this preseason he was by all accounts going to be the lead dog for their offense. Now that Spiller is again producing well and assuming that he will continue to do so until Jackson returns in a few weeks, what is so different this time around? Why does everyone assume that Spiller is now the guy? I get that Jackson is 31, but he was 31 heading into this season and looked to have a stranglehold on the starting job. I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

Spiller performed well at the end of last year, but this year he has been on another level entirely. Its not even close.From Week 12 onward with Jackson out:86 carries 446 yards 5.2 ypc; 24 receptions 187 yards 7.8 ypr; 5 total TDs.That is 15.55 fantasy points per game, with one big game coming in week 15 against Miami.So far this year he has put up 54.4 fantasy points in basically 6 quarters of PT exceeding his rate of production from even his best game out of seven starts last year.10.1 ypc, 14.1 ypr, 3 TDs. Small sample obviously and he isn't going to continue at this rate, but he stepped it up big time.

 

[NDyse10]

Obviously the question everyone is trying to answer is what the % breakdown will be when Jackson comes back.

For owners who own both Jackson and Spiller. Is the play to hold? To sell high?

I think a lot of leagues will be decided on this.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Obviously the question everyone is trying to answer is what the % breakdown will be when Jackson comes back.For owners who own both Jackson and Spiller. Is the play to hold? To sell high?I think a lot of leagues will be decided on this.

as a spiller only owner in a couple of re-drafts Im trying to snag Freddy, after CJ plays cleveland Im thinking the Freddy owners might be willing to part ways.

 

[NDyse10]

Obviously the question everyone is trying to answer is what the % breakdown will be when Jackson comes back.For owners who own both Jackson and Spiller. Is the play to hold? To sell high?I think a lot of leagues will be decided on this.

as a spiller only owner in a couple of re-drafts Im trying to snag Freddy, after CJ plays cleveland Im thinking the Freddy owners might be willing to part ways.

I was fortunate enough to trade for Spiller before the season started. I haven't gotten any offers for CJ yet, but I expect them to be coming soon.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Someone just offered McFadden for Spiller straight up.

 

[FarEastKilla]

I'm benching CJ for Spiller.

 

[ultramattman]

I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

What's different this time around? I guess what's different is that CJ Spiller has been the best player on the team so far. But I guess it'll be BACK TO THE BENCH once Jackson returns! After all, he was better in preseason! Seriously, I can't believe people think Spiller's role is going to decrease.

 

[ghawk]

Someone just offered McFadden for Spiller straight up.

I know exactly what you mean. Someone just offered me Adrian Peterson for Spiller straight up.. I'm not sure what I'm going to do now. This is a 1 keeper league..

 

[jdoggydogg]

I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

What's different this time around? I guess what's different is that CJ Spiller has been the best player on the team so far. But I guess it'll be BACK TO THE BENCH once Jackson returns! After all, he was better in preseason! Seriously, I can't believe people think Spiller's role is going to decrease.

See, you're using logic here. And that's a mistake. It's logical to think that Buffalo is better with Spiller starting. But who knows? Maybe Jackson's a better blocker, and that allows the Bills to use packages that aren't possible without Jackson in the lineup.

 

[Nucker101]

Someone just offered McFadden for Spiller straight up.

That would be hard to turn down unless you can keep Spiller beyond this year.

 

[Road Warriors]

I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

What's different this time around? I guess what's different is that CJ Spiller has been the best player on the team so far. But I guess it'll be BACK TO THE BENCH once Jackson returns! After all, he was better in preseason! Seriously, I can't believe people think Spiller's role is going to decrease.

Spiller's been great in these past 2 games, and has shown that he can carry the load. However, Fred Jackson was among the league leaders when he went down last year, so it's not as if he's a bum, either. Spiller's role will certainly decrease from where it is when Jackson is out of the lineup, where he is the unquestioned lead dog and will take around 80% of the meaningful snaps. But, when Jackson in back and healthy, it would likely be a pretty even timeshare, IMO. The difference in production between Spiller and Jackson isn't so great that you don't use both liberally, keeping both guys fresher and reducing the injury risk to both.

As noted earlier in the thread, we don't really know what the split was going to be between Jackson and Spiller this year, with Jackson going down early. We could speculate, but that's all it'd be. I would be surprised to see Spiller fall below a 50% timeshare, but it wouldn't be the first time a coaching staff made decisions that we don't expect.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

What's different this time around? I guess what's different is that CJ Spiller has been the best player on the team so far. But I guess it'll be BACK TO THE BENCH once Jackson returns! After all, he was better in preseason! Seriously, I can't believe people think Spiller's role is going to decrease.

Spiller's been great in these past 2 games, and has shown that he can carry the load. However, Fred Jackson was among the league leaders when he went down last year, so it's not as if he's a bum, either. Spiller's role will certainly decrease from where it is when Jackson is out of the lineup, where he is the unquestioned lead dog and will take around 80% of the meaningful snaps. But, when Jackson in back and healthy, it would likely be a pretty even timeshare, IMO. The difference in production between Spiller and Jackson isn't so great that you don't use both liberally, keeping both guys fresher and reducing the injury risk to both.

As noted earlier in the thread, we don't really know what the split was going to be between Jackson and Spiller this year, with Jackson going down early. We could speculate, but that's all it'd be. I would be surprised to see Spiller fall below a 50% timeshare, but it wouldn't be the first time a coaching staff made decisions that we don't expect.

How dare you interrupt this love-fest with objectivity.

 

[ghawk]

Someone just offered McFadden for Spiller straight up.

That would be hard to turn down unless you can keep Spiller beyond this year.

What is your and the forums opinion on AP for Spiller? Like I stated a little earlier, this is a 1 keeper league so I can keep Spiller if I decide to go that route next year. Right now I have Spiller, McFadden, and D. Martin. The AP owner has Fred Jackson, so he's obviously all in on the Bills backfield with offering me AP for Spiller.... It's interesting how high Spiller's value has become!

 

[BigTex]

Reports out today that Jackson is already rehabbing and is ahead of schedule. He's on pace to be back in 2-3 weeks from now barring a setback.

Of course he is. He's going to bust his ### to get back early because the longer he is out the harder it will be for coaches and fans to remember why he deserves carries. The guy is 31. Rushing back from injury will only lead to another one...

If the coaching staff is smart they'll allow him to get healthy, show case his talent and trade him to the highest bidder so they can get something for him...surely he has some value might as well cash in.

 

[BigTex]

Serious question, that I'm struggling to answer myself. Why would the situation when Fred Jackson returns in X weeks (assuming full health) be any different than the situation from the end of last season to this preseason? What I mean is, Spiller performed remarkably well at the end of last season when Jackson was injured, yet when Fred Jackson returned from injury this preseason he was by all accounts going to be the lead dog for their offense. Now that Spiller is again producing well and assuming that he will continue to do so until Jackson returns in a few weeks, what is so different this time around? Why does everyone assume that Spiller is now the guy? I get that Jackson is 31, but he was 31 heading into this season and looked to have a stranglehold on the starting job.

I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

There's nothing to indicate that Jackson will be "the guy" if/when he returns........it swings both ways. Gailey has been very eager to make Spiller the starter going back to last year, there were rumbles all over the news about how upset Jackson was because Spiller was named the starter before the season started......

 

[moderated]

Reports out today that Jackson is already rehabbing and is ahead of schedule. He's on pace to be back in 2-3 weeks from now barring a setback.

Of course he is. He's going to bust his ### to get back early because the longer he is out the harder it will be for coaches and fans to remember why he deserves carries. The guy is 31. Rushing back from injury will only lead to another one...

If the coaching staff is smart they'll allow him to get healthy, show case his talent and trade him to the highest bidder so they can get something for him...surely he has some value might as well cash in.

No one will trade for a 31 yr old RB coming off 2 injuries the past year with his contract.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Just to chime in here, I am a Bills fan and it would not surprise me in the slightest if Jackson regained the starting spot when he returns to action. I completely agree that he shouldn't, but this is the same coaching staff that keeps giving Tashard Choice GL carries out of misplaced loyalty. Let that sink in for a moment.

 

[cvnpoka]

I could certainly see jumping to the conclusion that Spiller would now take over the lead role if this exact same scenario didn't play out from the end of last season to this preseason, but it did. And the result seemed to be that the Bills were again pegging Jackson for a large workload. So what's different? No horse in this race, just surprised that it's now being widely assumed that Spiller will continue to be "the guy" upon Jackson's return.

What's different this time around? I guess what's different is that CJ Spiller has been the best player on the team so far. But I guess it'll be BACK TO THE BENCH once Jackson returns! After all, he was better in preseason! Seriously, I can't believe people think Spiller's role is going to decrease.

Spiller's been great in these past 2 games, and has shown that he can carry the load. However, Fred Jackson was among the league leaders when he went down last year, so it's not as if he's a bum, either. Spiller's role will certainly decrease from where it is when Jackson is out of the lineup, where he is the unquestioned lead dog and will take around 80% of the meaningful snaps. But, when Jackson in back and healthy, it would likely be a pretty even timeshare, IMO. The difference in production between Spiller and Jackson isn't so great that you don't use both liberally, keeping both guys fresher and reducing the injury risk to both.

As noted earlier in the thread, we don't really know what the split was going to be between Jackson and Spiller this year, with Jackson going down early. We could speculate, but that's all it'd be. I would be surprised to see Spiller fall below a 50% timeshare, but it wouldn't be the first time a coaching staff made decisions that we don't expect.

How dare you interrupt this love-fest with objectivity.

no, this is exactly wat spiller advocates have been saying since the injury. the fjax guys are who believe he will return and take over the undisputed lead dog roll. you, yourself, even said 80%.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Someone just offered McFadden for Spiller straight up.

That would be hard to turn down unless you can keep Spiller beyond this year.

What is your and the forums opinion on AP for Spiller? Like I stated a little earlier, this is a 1 keeper league so I can keep Spiller if I decide to go that route next year. Right now I have Spiller, McFadden, and D. Martin. The AP owner has Fred Jackson, so he's obviously all in on the Bills backfield with offering me AP for Spiller.... It's interesting how high Spiller's value has become!

Totally agree it's hard to turn CJ for DMac down. The only reason you wouldn't is if you believe FJax won't be the lead back or take substantial carries away from CJ in an RBBC when he returns (a major theme of this thread) or you are scared off by DMac's durability.In both cases, it's hard not to see FJax being the lead back when he returns, with more carries ceded to CJ later in the game. And while DMac has an injury history, any back can get hurt.As for CJ v AP in a keeper, I'd stay with CJ. AP is likely to be better this year, but I can't see CJ not being a Top 10 back in subsequent years. Futures on CJ run much higher than present value, IMHO.

 

[Buck Stop]

Just offered Cam Newton and Forte for Spiller and Ryan and it was quickly rejected.

Offered Charles for Spiller and it was rejected.

His value has gone until a new stratosphere...

 

[BigTex]

Just to chime in here, I am a Bills fan and it would not surprise me in the slightest if Jackson regained the starting spot when he returns to action. I completely agree that he shouldn't, but this is the same coaching staff that keeps giving Tashard Choice GL carries out of misplaced loyalty. Let that sink in for a moment.

All valid points!!

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Just offered Cam Newton and Forte for Spiller and Ryan and it was quickly rejected. Offered Charles for Spiller and it was rejected.His value has gone until a new stratosphere...

No offense man but who in their right mind would accept either trade at this point?Friggin' Forte is hurt and Charles was riding a bicycle after racking up a whopping 2.2 points.I don't think "stratosphere" has anything to do with those "offers."

 

[Annyong]

Im assuming people will value him differently, but i just offered Nicks and DMC for Calvin and Spiller and was shot down within the hour.

 

[Annyong]

Just offered Cam Newton and Forte for Spiller and Ryan and it was quickly rejected. Offered Charles for Spiller and it was rejected.His value has gone until a new stratosphere...

No offense man but who in their right mind would accept either trade at this point?Friggin' Forte is hurt and Charles was riding a bicycle after racking up a whopping 2.2 points.I don't think "stratosphere" has anything to do with those "offers."

The guy who thinks Fred Jackson will cut into Spiller's production might take either of those offers. I don't think they are as insulting as you're leading on

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Just offered Cam Newton and Forte for Spiller and Ryan and it was quickly rejected. Offered Charles for Spiller and it was rejected.His value has gone until a new stratosphere...

No offense man but who in their right mind would accept either trade at this point?Friggin' Forte is hurt and Charles was riding a bicycle after racking up a whopping 2.2 points.I don't think "stratosphere" has anything to do with those "offers."

The guy who thinks Fred Jackson will cut into Spiller's production might take either of those offers. I don't think they are as insulting as you're leading on

Maybe so but Spiller is the only healthy RB in either equation. To be fair I have Spiller and Jackson both and no way would I accept either offer.

 

[Steed]

Just offered Cam Newton and Forte for Spiller and Ryan and it was quickly rejected. Offered Charles for Spiller and it was rejected.His value has gone until a new stratosphere...

No offense man but who in their right mind would accept either trade at this point?Friggin' Forte is hurt and Charles was riding a bicycle after racking up a whopping 2.2 points.I don't think "stratosphere" has anything to do with those "offers."

The guy who thinks Fred Jackson will cut into Spiller's production might take either of those offers. I don't think they are as insulting as you're leading on

Us Spiller owners will worry about that when it happens. He's on too good of a roll right now. Maybe it's a bit shortsighted, but there won't be a job for FJax to win back if this keeps up.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Spiller can put up RB1 numbers on 15 touches. I can't imagine him getting fewer than that even when F-Jax comes back.

 

[rickyg]

Reports out today that Jackson is already rehabbing and is ahead of schedule. He's on pace to be back in 2-3 weeks from now barring a setback.

It's amazing how much more quickly these types of injuries heal when the backup is absolutely shredding the league in your absence... Lol

 

[Air Stich]

Just offered Cam Newton and Forte for Spiller and Ryan and it was quickly rejected. Offered Charles for Spiller and it was rejected.His value has gone until a new stratosphere...

No offense man but who in their right mind would accept either trade at this point?Friggin' Forte is hurt and Charles was riding a bicycle after racking up a whopping 2.2 points.I don't think "stratosphere" has anything to do with those "offers."

The guy who thinks Fred Jackson will cut into Spiller's production might take either of those offers. I don't think they are as insulting as you're leading on

They aren't insulting, but you're basically admitting that Spiller is better than Forte and Charles by making those offers. You obviously wouldn't accept them if you were on the other side. I personally think it's a mistake to trade Spiller for anything less than top 5 RB value at this point. I'm in this to finish 1st, not 4th. I'll take the risk on a PROVEN stud like Spiller.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Reports out today that Jackson is already rehabbing and is ahead of schedule. He's on pace to be back in 2-3 weeks from now barring a setback.

It's amazing how much more quickly these types of injuries heal when the backup is absolutely shredding the league in your absence... Lol

Sure it's motivation, but the doctors seem to be in agreement that things are looking good for an early return: blogs.buffalonews.com/press-coverage/2012/09/with-cj-spiller-on-a-spree-fred-jackson-gets-good-news-on-his-knee.html

 

[smapdi]

Spiller can put up RB1 numbers on 15 touches. I can't imagine him getting fewer than that even when F-Jax comes back.

You hit the nail on the head. There is no question in my mind that Spiller is the real deal; I've watched every snap of his career in Buffalo. He is becoming an elite offensive player that can take over games.With that said, I still think FJax will not just be forgotten when he returns from his injury. I actually heard something very interesting out of Chan Gailey's mouth today. As you may or may not know, the Bills under Gailey have been a "spread" offense that has been pass heavy. Gailey has been all about using the pass to set up the run even when FJax was on his MVP pace last season. Turns out CJ may be changing his tune:

"We would rather be a physical run team that throws it when they have to or throws it on surprise situations... That is what we would rather be. We will continue to work down this path as much as we can"

Now that is a major about face from Gailey regarding this offense. I've been saying they should be a run first team since last season having both FJax and Spiller; its nice to see the coach finally come around. They are 5-0 in last 2 seasons when Fitzpatrick throws for less then 30 attempts.

Spiller has shown that he can be a fantasy stud 15 carries per game. He is averaging over 10 yards per carry right now! First time a RB has averaged over 10 ypc in the first 2 weeks since Jim Brown in 1963!

As a Spiller owner, I'm beginning to not fear FJax's return. This offense will be able to get Spiller 15 carries a game with little problem even with FJax's return. Don't overlook the Bills' offensive line either. They have been the best line in the league IMO. They led the league in sacks allowed last season with only 23. They haven't given up sack yet this year. They were a top rushing team last season and are the best rushing team currently. Cordy Glenn, their 2nd round pick looks like an absolute beast at LT. He was all over the field blowing people up for Spiller all game. Amazingly quick for a 6'6" / 345 LB offensive linemen

 

[Nucker101]

Spiller can put up RB1 numbers on 15 touches. I can't imagine him getting fewer than that even when F-Jax comes back.

You hit the nail on the head. There is no question in my mind that Spiller is the real deal; I've watched every snap of his career in Buffalo. He is becoming an elite offensive player that can take over games.With that said, I still think FJax will not just be forgotten when he returns from his injury. I actually heard something very interesting out of Chan Gailey's mouth today. As you may or may not know, the Bills under Gailey have been a "spread" offense that has been pass heavy. Gailey has been all about using the pass to set up the run even when FJax was on his MVP pace last season. Turns out CJ may be changing his tune:

"We would rather be a physical run team that throws it when they have to or throws it on surprise situations... That is what we would rather be. We will continue to work down this path as much as we can"

Now that is a major about face from Gailey regarding this offense. I've been saying they should be a run first team since last season having both FJax and Spiller; its nice to see the coach finally come around. They are 5-0 in last 2 seasons when Fitzpatrick throws for less then 30 attempts.

Spiller has shown that he can be a fantasy stud 15 carries per game. He is averaging over 10 yards per carry right now! First time a RB has averaged over 10 ypc in the first 2 weeks since Jim Brown in 1963!

As a Spiller owner, I'm beginning to not fear FJax's return. This offense will be able to get Spiller 15 carries a game with little problem even with FJax's return. Don't overlook the Bills' offensive line either. They have been the best line in the league IMO. They led the league in sacks allowed last season with only 23. They haven't given up sack yet this year. They were a top rushing team last season and are the best rushing team currently. Cordy Glenn, their 2nd round pick looks like an absolute beast at LT. He was all over the field blowing people up for Spiller all game. Amazingly quick for a 6'6" / 345 LB offensive linemen

Good input, thanks! I was also confused that the Bills were trying to run a spread offense last year with a pretty high amount of empty back shotgun formations at times when they had 2 very capable backs, and lack elite receiving weapons and a great qb(I see Fitz as an average NFL starting QB). It would be great to see Spiller and F-Jax both get around 15 touches each per game, you have to find a way to get your best players the ball as much as possible. Spiller is by far the Bills most dangerous offensive weapon so I doubt that he'd be reduced to the 10 or so touches that he was at times last year.

 

[smapdi]

Spiller can put up RB1 numbers on 15 touches. I can't imagine him getting fewer than that even when F-Jax comes back.

You hit the nail on the head. There is no question in my mind that Spiller is the real deal; I've watched every snap of his career in Buffalo. He is becoming an elite offensive player that can take over games.With that said, I still think FJax will not just be forgotten when he returns from his injury. I actually heard something very interesting out of Chan Gailey's mouth today. As you may or may not know, the Bills under Gailey have been a "spread" offense that has been pass heavy. Gailey has been all about using the pass to set up the run even when FJax was on his MVP pace last season. Turns out CJ may be changing his tune:

"We would rather be a physical run team that throws it when they have to or throws it on surprise situations... That is what we would rather be. We will continue to work down this path as much as we can"

Now that is a major about face from Gailey regarding this offense. I've been saying they should be a run first team since last season having both FJax and Spiller; its nice to see the coach finally come around. They are 5-0 in last 2 seasons when Fitzpatrick throws for less then 30 attempts.

Spiller has shown that he can be a fantasy stud 15 carries per game. He is averaging over 10 yards per carry right now! First time a RB has averaged over 10 ypc in the first 2 weeks since Jim Brown in 1963!

As a Spiller owner, I'm beginning to not fear FJax's return. This offense will be able to get Spiller 15 carries a game with little problem even with FJax's return. Don't overlook the Bills' offensive line either. They have been the best line in the league IMO. They led the league in sacks allowed last season with only 23. They haven't given up sack yet this year. They were a top rushing team last season and are the best rushing team currently. Cordy Glenn, their 2nd round pick looks like an absolute beast at LT. He was all over the field blowing people up for Spiller all game. Amazingly quick for a 6'6" / 345 LB offensive linemen

Good input, thanks! I was also confused that the Bills were trying to run a spread offense last year with a pretty high amount of empty back shotgun formations at times when they had 2 very capable backs, and lack elite receiving weapons and a great qb(I see Fitz as an average NFL starting QB). It would be great to see Spiller and F-Jax both get around 15 touches each per game, you have to find a way to get your best players the ball as much as possible. Spiller is by far the Bills most dangerous offensive weapon so I doubt that he'd be reduced to the 10 or so touches that he was at times last year.

Totally agree. Fitzpatrick isn't good enough to have your offense lean on him; trust him as your #1 option on offense. He is at a major disadvantage having to throw 35+ times a game. He just doesn't have a good enough arm (arm strength & accuracy) to run an offense like Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers does. The 5-0 record the last 2 seasons when Fitz throws less then 30 times is pretty telling IMO. I think he is good enough to get this team to the playoffs if the coaches and him commit to following the gameplan they used yesterday: Let Spiller and the offensive line go to work and chew up yards; then pick your spot throwing the ball to Stevie or Chandler in single coverage. This offense is just built so much better to be a run heavy team. We have two great backs in FJax and Spiller that compliment each other well. Both of them can see 15 carries a game with the hot hand getting the extra work. That way, having just Stevie right now as your 1 legit NFL WR isn't such a big deal as if you were playing 4 and 5 WR sets.

I really want to give the offensive line a lot of credit. Anyone reading this who hasn't seen many Bills' games recently: This is one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. They have been a major factor in CJ's breakout (not to take anything away from Spiller) so far. Watching them against KC yesterday nearly brought a tear to my eye after watching 15 years of absolute crap at the unit. Remember, they led the league in pass blocking last season allowing only 23 sacks. They've allowed 0 sacks so far this season. It's amazing what some continuity and investing high picks on the offensive line can do. They were also one of the top run blocking units last season with both CJ & FJax averaging over 5.1 yards per carry. They've looked even stronger this year with Spiller running along at a 10.1 ypc clip.

Cordy Glenn is looking like a steal at 41. Kiper and the rest of his cronies at ESPN assured everyone that Glenn could never make it at LT in the NFL; he's just not good enough. Not only did Glenn win the starting LT job out of camp, he is excelling there thru 2 games. He gave zero sacks against a tough Jets defense and zero yesterday; just 1 hurry allowed (KC's ProBowler Tamba Hali). I am really impressed by this kid. He was all over the field yesterday making blocks for CJ in the 2nd level. Was out in front of him on the screen pass and made a great block for the TD. Andy Levitre is one of the best LG's in football and wildly underrated outside of BUF. Eric Wood is the captain of the line at C. He plays with a mean streak, is strong as an ox, and is very smart. If he can stay healthy the entire year, watch out! Spiller will be breaking off a lot of huge runs to the left getting blocks from those 3!

 

[wasted space 25]

I just traded Spiller and got Jimmy Graham back. PPR. Im happy with what i got for him. Not that anyone cares but just showing what kind of value he had in my league.