CJ spiller value (1 Viewer)

[dewmass]

Looks like he's one who's value is all over the place. I cannot get him in any of my leagues as the owners have crushes on him. PPR keeper league I offered:

Brady, Redman, BJGE and Tampa Mike for him and Cam and got knocked back.

Dynasty League I offered J Stew, Rueban Randle, Tampa Mike and a 2nd and also got a rapid decline.

He's certainly not a buy low unless you are lucky with who owns him

 

[Andrew74]

Guy in my league won't even discuss trade, except to say he wanted Julio, 2 1st round picks and something else. . Of course he's the guy who thinks every player on his roster is top 5.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Looks like he's one who's value is all over the place. I cannot get him in any of my leagues as the owners have crushes on him. PPR keeper league I offered:Brady, Redman, BJGE and Tampa Mike for him and Cam and got knocked back. Dynasty League I offered J Stew, Rueban Randle, Tampa Mike and a 2nd and also got a rapid decline.He's certainly not a buy low unless you are lucky with who owns him

I admit my man crush on him too but I would trade him for the right offer. I don't really like either offer you sent out for Spiller.

 

[Pots]

Looks like he's one who's value is all over the place. I cannot get him in any of my leagues as the owners have crushes on him. PPR keeper league I offered:Brady, Redman, BJGE and Tampa Mike for him and Cam and got knocked back. Dynasty League I offered J Stew, Rueban Randle, Tampa Mike and a 2nd and also got a rapid decline.He's certainly not a buy low unless you are lucky with who owns him

Those offers aren't very good, I'm not surprised they got quickly declined.

 

[Chazzhawk]

Offered Frank Gore for him and was shot down harshly. ??Yeah, CJ is a bit of an injury risk and is unlikely to produce as consistently as other running backs, but I really like Spiller's upside and the possibilities of an explosion in any game.

How is he an injury risk? He has missed 2 games in his career both in his rookie year. Even after that shoulder injury this season, (which looked like he was done for the year when seeing the replay on T.V.) he didn't miss a game.

 

[dewmass]

Looks like he's one who's value is all over the place. I cannot get him in any of my leagues as the owners have crushes on him. PPR keeper league I offered:Brady, Redman, BJGE and Tampa Mike for him and Cam and got knocked back. Dynasty League I offered J Stew, Rueban Randle, Tampa Mike and a 2nd and also got a rapid decline.He's certainly not a buy low unless you are lucky with who owns him

Those offers aren't very good, I'm not surprised they got quickly declined.

Yes I think I was offering a little low on them, . Just gone back with Brady, BJGE and Decker for CJ and Cam in my PPR league, which I think is an overpay but everything I'm reading here says CJ is top5 going forward so its buy now or never

 

[JPeso]

Looks like he's one who's value is all over the place. I cannot get him in any of my leagues as the owners have crushes on him. PPR keeper league I offered:Brady, Redman, BJGE and Tampa Mike for him and Cam and got knocked back. Dynasty League I offered J Stew, Rueban Randle, Tampa Mike and a 2nd and also got a rapid decline.He's certainly not a buy low unless you are lucky with who owns him

Those offers aren't very good, I'm not surprised they got quickly declined.

Yes I think I was offering a little low on them, . Just gone back with Brady, BJGE and Decker for CJ and Cam in my PPR league, which I think is an overpay but everything I'm reading here says CJ is top5 going forward so its buy now or never

That's even worse than your initial offer.

 

[TheFanatic]

I just traded Spiller. I didn't want to trade him, but my league is sort of complicated. I have ADP and three other running games, all of which are iffy (Spiller/Fjax, Bradshaw/Wilson, and Shonn Greene). This league is a contract league where each owner gets two tags, Franchise and Transition. The former gets two first round picks as compensation if someone signs the guy away and the owner does not match and the latter is 1 first rounder.

I traded for Lynch so I had another homerun hitter instead of trying to pick who would be better each week between Spiller and FJax and Bradshaw and Greene. The problem is that Spiller, Lynch and Brandon Marshall are all up at the end of the year and I can only tag two of them.

Now that that crap is out of the way, here's the trade:

Spiller

for

Blackmon, 1st rounder this year and 2nd round pick next year

Now, as you can see from above, in order to bid on tagged players I have to have first round picks so first rounders are gold in this league. That gives me three first rounders the next two years.

 

[DropKick]

Looks like he's one who's value is all over the place. I cannot get him in any of my leagues as the owners have crushes on him. PPR keeper league I offered:Brady, Redman, BJGE and Tampa Mike for him and Cam and got knocked back. Dynasty League I offered J Stew, Rueban Randle, Tampa Mike and a 2nd and also got a rapid decline.He's certainly not a buy low unless you are lucky with who owns him

Those offers aren't very good, I'm not surprised they got quickly declined.

Yes I think I was offering a little low on them, . Just gone back with Brady, BJGE and Decker for CJ and Cam in my PPR league, which I think is an overpay but everything I'm reading here says CJ is top5 going forward so its buy now or never

That's even worse than your initial offer.

Agreed. Brady for Cam is an interesting debate. Certainly Cam has youth on his side. But BJGE is not in a great situation and, although I like Decker, his value is influenced by Manning. And you can replace WRs relatively easily, but young RBs who can catch the ball and play 3 downs are scarce. This dictates their value. So, "no", a handful of good but replaceable players doesn't get the deal done.

 

[dewmass]

Looks like he's one who's value is all over the place. I cannot get him in any of my leagues as the owners have crushes on him. PPR keeper league I offered:Brady, Redman, BJGE and Tampa Mike for him and Cam and got knocked back. Dynasty League I offered J Stew, Rueban Randle, Tampa Mike and a 2nd and also got a rapid decline.He's certainly not a buy low unless you are lucky with who owns him

Those offers aren't very good, I'm not surprised they got quickly declined.

Yes I think I was offering a little low on them, . Just gone back with Brady, BJGE and Decker for CJ and Cam in my PPR league, which I think is an overpay but everything I'm reading here says CJ is top5 going forward so its buy now or never

That's even worse than your initial offer.

Agreed. Brady for Cam is an interesting debate. Certainly Cam has youth on his side. But BJGE is not in a great situation and, although I like Decker, his value is influenced by Manning. And you can replace WRs relatively easily, but young RBs who can catch the ball and play 3 downs are scarce. This dictates their value. So, "no", a handful of good but replaceable players doesn't get the deal done.

Cheers guys, the annoying thing is I was offered this deal midweek and I rejected it. Thankfully the other owner has still accepted it

 

[joffer]

Can't believe Buffalo ever takes this guy off the field

 

[Nucker101]

We'll have to see how serious the Jackson injury is, but even after watching this game you'd have to be simply stubborn as a caoch not to give Spiller more touches.

 

[trader jake]

How is he an injury risk? He has missed 2 games in his career both in his rookie year. Even after that shoulder injury this season, (which looked like he was done for the year when seeing the replay on T.V.) he didn't miss a game.

We'll have to see how serious the Jackson injury is, but even after watching this game you'd have to be simply stubborn as a caoch not to give Spiller more touches.

I think these two posts may be better understood in concert with each other.Spiller is explosive but can his body withstand 20+ touches a game for an entire season?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Short week upcoming. He'll likely have the majority of touches in Week 11 with Jackson KO'd late.

 

[Purple_King]

Fred Jackson's injury doesn't sound too serious. Should be fine for the next game.

 

[steelwind]

Fred Jackson's injury doesn't sound too serious. Should be fine for the next game.

Says the Fred Jackson owner.Can you post a link where you got this info from? It looked like a concussion and with a Thursday Night game he will have to be cleared to play.

 

[flapgreen]

Short week upcoming. He'll likely have the majority of touches in Week 11 with Jackson KO'd late.

Gl with Chan giving him more carries. He's dumber than Andy Reid.

 

[Lascelle]

Short week upcoming. He'll likely have the majority of touches in Week 11 with Jackson KO'd late.

Gl with Chan giving him more carries. He's dumber than Andy Reid.

Still smarter than Romeo Crennel at least.Gailey is at least aware that Spiller plays on his team and isn't some concessions vendor who wandered his way onto the field like Jamaal Charles.

 

[flapgreen]

Short week upcoming. He'll likely have the majority of touches in Week 11 with Jackson KO'd late.

Gl with Chan giving him more carries. He's dumber than Andy Reid.

Still smarter than Romeo Crennel at least.Gailey is at least aware that Spiller plays on his team and isn't some concessions vendor who wandered his way onto the field like Jamaal Charles.

True

 

[robertd52]

I'm a spiller owner who doesn't have Fjax and I'm shocked to see all you guys saying Fjax is gonna miss any time....let alone go after others who say he won't.

In fact, spiller stinks for fantasy right now, sure he regular does more with less then Fjax, but today was a CLEAR sign that by the goal line he comes out and Fjax comes in, so unless he gets a 20 yarder he won't have the tds.

I HOPE Fjax misses time, but rig now I lean more towards the guys saying we are looking at our same old rediculious split in week 11....

 

[Lascelle]

The main reason FJax should continue to get 2 touches for every one of Spiller's is that CJ might accidentally win games for Buffalo when they really should be focusing on tanking their season for draft position and to ensure Fitz gets replaced (something they rarely ever do).

 

[Ladsud]

I'm a spiller owner who doesn't have Fjax and I'm shocked to see all you guys saying Fjax is gonna miss any time....let alone go after others who say he won't.In fact, spiller stinks for fantasy right now, sure he regular does more with less then Fjax, but today was a CLEAR sign that by the goal line he comes out and Fjax comes in, so unless he gets a 20 yarder he won't have the tds.I HOPE Fjax misses time, but rig now I lean more towards the guys saying we are looking at our same old rediculious split in week 11....

Why would you be shocked if he missed time, he took a hit to the helmet and was down on the ground. Spiller stinks? Sorry, but a late round draft pick averaging 111 yards and 5 catch's in the last four games does not stink. I love Spiller in my flex.

 

[Chazzhawk]

The main reason FJax should continue to get 2 touches for every one of Spiller's is that CJ might accidentally win games for Buffalo when they really should be focusing on tanking their season for draft position and to ensure Fitz gets replaced (something they rarely ever do).

This is the only sane logic I have heard on why Spiller doesn't get more touches. Too bad the problem is coaches that are on the hot seat never think about next year.Just a same sample size but last 4 weeks Spiller 58 touches - 445 yards and 1 td 0 fumbles lost. Good for almost 7.5 yards per touchJackson 69 touches - 353 yards and 4 tds 2 fumbles lost. Good for 5 yards per touch.Easy to see who is better.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Just a same sample size but last 4 weeks Spiller 58 touches - 445 yards and 1 td 0 fumbles lost. Good for almost 7.5 yards per touchJackson 69 touches - 353 yards and 4 tds 2 fumbles lost. Good for 5 yards per touch.Easy to see who is better.

During that span, RB8 and RB6 in PPR on a PPG basis. I realize Spiller is frustrating to some impatient dynasty owners, but he stinks for FF purposes? NFW.In redraft, I took him as my RB3 and have been thrilled to plug him in 5 times. He's yet to have a bad game off a decent matchup. Doesn't get any easier in FF than owning Spiller - he is a consistently productive RB2. Sure he has elite talent, but THIS year he doesn't have a situation that will allow him to have stud status. That should have surprised no one.

 

[JuniorNB]

When are you Spiller owners going to wake up and realize that Fred Jackson is very productive with his half of the workload? It is what it is....Buffalo has two talented backs who would both be fantasy monsters if given 80-90% of the work. Neither are goping to 'emerge' as the clear cut winner and suddenly rlegate the other to the bench. In the coaching staff's mind (and mine), it keeps both of them fresh.

 

[zamboni]

When are you Spiller owners going to wake up and realize that Fred Jackson is very productive with his half of the workload? It is what it is....Buffalo has two talented backs who would both be fantasy monsters if given 80-90% of the work. Neither are goping to 'emerge' as the clear cut winner and suddenly rlegate the other to the bench. In the coaching staff's mind (and mine), it keeps both of them fresh.

You got it, GB.All the people saying Spiller should be dominating touches are failing to realize that Fred is very productive himself. Maybe not as explosive, but he's getting the job done - it's Fitzpatrick that is the issue, not the RBs.I own both Spiller and Fred, and it's undoubtedly frustrating as a fantasy owner, but it is what it is. Next year, in my keeper league, I roll with Spiller - can't do much about it this year.

 

[steelwind]

"Coach Chan Gailey admitted that Fred Jackson (head) was not feeling well on the plane ride back to Buffalo Sunday night.

Per Gailey, Jackson has concussion-like symptoms after taking a blow to the head late in Sunday's loss to the Patriots. He'll be reevaluated on Monday and we'd expect an official diagnosis then. The Bills play on Thursday this week, leaving F-Jax very little time to get the cobwebs out and get cleared. His owners need to be making other plans and C.J. Spiller owners are waking up with a giant smile on their face Monday morning."

 

[steveski]

How is he an injury risk? He has missed 2 games in his career both in his rookie year. Even after that shoulder injury this season, (which looked like he was done for the year when seeing the replay on T.V.) he didn't miss a game.

We'll have to see how serious the Jackson injury is, but even after watching this game you'd have to be simply stubborn as a caoch not to give Spiller more touches.

I think these two posts may be better understood in concert with each other.Spiller is explosive but can his body withstand 20+ touches a game for an entire season?

He's been able to handle 20+ touches whenever he has been given them. There's no way of knowing whether he could handle a whole season, but it's clear that FJax can't handle a full season's load.

 

[mikel0254]

"Coach Chan Gailey admitted that Fred Jackson (head) was not feeling well on the plane ride back to Buffalo Sunday night.

Per Gailey, Jackson has concussion-like symptoms after taking a blow to the head late in Sunday's loss to the Patriots. He'll be reevaluated on Monday and we'd expect an official diagnosis then. The Bills play on Thursday this week, leaving F-Jax very little time to get the cobwebs out and get cleared. His owners need to be making other plans and C.J. Spiller owners are waking up with a giant smile on their face Monday morning."

Only hope here is Jackson misses the game, Spiller performs like weeks 1 & 2, and Gailey flips their workload in Spiller's favor (60-40 going to CJ). Otherwise, Gailey seems too stubborn to change the status quo. If Spiller gets around 60% of the touches, I think he's a low RB1 for the rest of the season.

 

[steelwind]

"Coach Chan Gailey admitted that Fred Jackson (head) was not feeling well on the plane ride back to Buffalo Sunday night.

Per Gailey, Jackson has concussion-like symptoms after taking a blow to the head late in Sunday's loss to the Patriots. He'll be reevaluated on Monday and we'd expect an official diagnosis then. The Bills play on Thursday this week, leaving F-Jax very little time to get the cobwebs out and get cleared. His owners need to be making other plans and C.J. Spiller owners are waking up with a giant smile on their face Monday morning."

Only hope here is Jackson misses the game, Spiller performs like weeks 1 & 2, and Gailey flips their workload in Spiller's favor (60-40 going to CJ). Otherwise, Gailey seems too stubborn to change the status quo. If Spiller gets around 60% of the touches, I think he's a low RB1 for the rest of the season.

Strong possibility that Spiller starts next Thursday at home against Miami who was just gashed by Chris Johnson.

 

[flapgreen]

Boom!

 

[Ghost Rider]

I own FJax in more leagues than I do Spiller, but it's obvious at this point that Spiller is the better and more explosive player. He should be getting more touches than he has been getting.

 

[zamboni]

With the Billls sitting at 3-6, a couple more losses and that shift may continue to go towards Spilller to see how much of a full load he can handle for next year. Of course, that will be with a different coaching regime.

 

[JPeso]

"Coach Chan Gailey admitted that Fred Jackson (head) was not feeling well on the plane ride back to Buffalo Sunday night.

Per Gailey, Jackson has concussion-like symptoms after taking a blow to the head late in Sunday's loss to the Patriots. He'll be reevaluated on Monday and we'd expect an official diagnosis then. The Bills play on Thursday this week, leaving F-Jax very little time to get the cobwebs out and get cleared. His owners need to be making other plans and C.J. Spiller owners are waking up with a giant smile on their face Monday morning."

Only hope here is Jackson misses the game, Spiller performs like weeks 1 & 2, and Gailey flips their workload in Spiller's favor (60-40 going to CJ). Otherwise, Gailey seems too stubborn to change the status quo. If Spiller gets around 60% of the touches, I think he's a low RB1 for the rest of the season.

But he's already been a mid-level RB1 with less than that.

 

[steelwind]

"WGR 550 Buffalo's Joe Buscaglia expects C.J. Spiller to "become a star around the NFL this Thursday" if Fred Jackson (concussion) can't go against the Dolphins.

So do we. Limited to a laughable 24 touches over the Bills' past two losses, the No. 9 pick of the 2010 draft has still managed to rack up 233 yards from scrimmage. That comes out to 9.7 yards per pop. Spiller is averaging 8.1 yards per touch on the season, and is gaining an absurd 7.3 yards every time he runs the ball. Coach Chan Gailey may be trying to keep his 5-11, 200-pound back fresh and healthy by limiting his reps, but at a certain point, the beast needs to be unleashed. If the time comes Thursday, Spiller will be a top-five option for Week 11, even against the Dolphins' stout run defense."

 

[steelwind]

Fred Jackson's injury doesn't sound too serious. Should be fine for the next game.

"Fred Jackson has officially been diagnosed with a concussion, and ruled out for Thursday's game against the Dolphins.The short week torpedoed Jackson's chances of suiting up. It's the first known concussion of Jackson's six-year career. He should be considered week-to-week, with a good chance of returning in Week 12. His absence, of course, means the long-awaited elevation of C.J. Spiller to a feature role. Averaging a paltry 12.7 touches per game, Spiller has nevertheless reeled off an impressive 929 yards from scrimmage. That comes out to an eye-popping 8.1 yards per touch. Even against the Dolphins' top-six run defense, he'll be a top-five option for Week 11.Source: BuffaloBills.com"

 

[matttyl]

Fred Jackson's injury doesn't sound too serious. Should be fine for the next game.

"Fred Jackson has officially been diagnosed with a concussion, and ruled out for Thursday's game against the Dolphins.The short week torpedoed Jackson's chances of suiting up. It's the first known concussion of Jackson's six-year career. He should be considered week-to-week, with a good chance of returning in Week 12. His absence, of course, means the long-awaited elevation of C.J. Spiller to a feature role. Averaging a paltry 12.7 touches per game, Spiller has nevertheless reeled off an impressive 929 yards from scrimmage. That comes out to an eye-popping 8.1 yards per touch. Even against the Dolphins' top-six run defense, he'll be a top-five option for Week 11.Source: BuffaloBills.com"

I have both in my dynasty league, and have been a big fan of F Jax's over his career. Hate to see him go down, but can't wait to see what Spiller can do with the lead role Thursday.

 

[Concept Coop]

But he's already been a mid-level RB1 with less than that.

Mid-level would be top 6-7. I don't think he's been that. Low-level RB1 is where I would guess his stats place him, while splitting time with Jackson.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Have to hope that Spiller shines and the coaching staff decides to make it 70/30 Spiller.......... :crossesfingers:

 

[SCT]

Have to hope that Spiller shines and the coaching staff decides to make it 70/30 Spiller.......... :crossesfingers:

I felt like he shined in weeks 2-4 when FJax was out before....

 

[mikel0254]

"Coach Chan Gailey admitted that Fred Jackson (head) was not feeling well on the plane ride back to Buffalo Sunday night.

Per Gailey, Jackson has concussion-like symptoms after taking a blow to the head late in Sunday's loss to the Patriots. He'll be reevaluated on Monday and we'd expect an official diagnosis then. The Bills play on Thursday this week, leaving F-Jax very little time to get the cobwebs out and get cleared. His owners need to be making other plans and C.J. Spiller owners are waking up with a giant smile on their face Monday morning."

Only hope here is Jackson misses the game, Spiller performs like weeks 1 & 2, and Gailey flips their workload in Spiller's favor (60-40 going to CJ). Otherwise, Gailey seems too stubborn to change the status quo. If Spiller gets around 60% of the touches, I think he's a low RB1 for the rest of the season.

But he's already been a mid-level RB1 with less than that.

Depends on how you look at it. Overall he may be ranked around RB10 in most leagues, but those are inflated b/c he got all the carries week 1 & 2. I'm talking about how he performs when both are healthy. From week 3 on in my league(when FJax came back), he's ranked RB22 in overall pts, and RB27 for weekly average.He could rival AP, Foster, Rice, etc for top RB if he were given the shot. At 70% of the touches, I think he's right up there. With 60%, probably a consistent top 10 RB each week, but more like "low end RB1" numbers. Currently with the 50/50 or 40/60 split in Jackson's favor, he's a low RB2 or even RB3 each week with his upside capped by lack of touches, especially goal line.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Have to hope that Spiller shines and the coaching staff decides to make it 70/30 Spiller.......... :crossesfingers:

I felt like he shined in weeks 2-4 when FJax was out before....

I agree - I can only hope the message gets through the 2nd time...... and I wonder what would have happened has Spiller not gotten hurt himself against CLE. We will never know.

 

[Fodasme69]

Have to hope that Spiller shines and the coaching staff decides to make it 70/30 Spiller.......... :crossesfingers:

I felt like he shined in weeks 2-4 when FJax was out before....

I agree - I can only hope the message gets through the 2nd time...... and I wonder what would have happened has Spiller not gotten hurt himself against CLE. We will never know.

Wouldnt this be hopefully the 3rd time is charm?Spiller excelled LY and early TY with being the main guy.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Fred Jackson out vs. Dolphins

Buffalo Bills coach Chan Gailey says running back Fred Jackson has been diagnosed with a concussion and has been ruled out from playing against Miami on Thursday. Gailey made the announcement Monday, a day after Jackson was hurt in a 37-31 loss at New England. Gailey said tests confirmed Jackson had a concussion after the player wasn't feeling well on the flight home.

Jackson's absence means co-starter C.J. Spiller will handle most of the duties while being backed up by Tashard Choice.

 

[Abspara]

i wonder if Fred Jackson is ot this Thursday?

 

[SCT]

Tashard Choice bandwagon choo choo!

 

[trader jake]

How is he an injury risk? He has missed 2 games in his career both in his rookie year. Even after that shoulder injury this season, (which looked like he was done for the year when seeing the replay on T.V.) he didn't miss a game.

We'll have to see how serious the Jackson injury is, but even after watching this game you'd have to be simply stubborn as a caoch not to give Spiller more touches.

I think these two posts may be better understood in concert with each other.Spiller is explosive but can his body withstand 20+ touches a game for an entire season?

He's been able to handle 20+ touches whenever he has been given them. There's no way of knowing whether he could handle a whole season, but it's clear that FJax can't handle a full season's load.

CJ has totaled 20 touches exactly TWO times in his entire career. Zero times this season. In one of those games he totaled 70 yards on 22 touches. How does that illustrate he can handle the large workload over a period of games and/or produce if he's "the man" for the Bills?I like Spiller's upside too but let's be realistic.

 

[Ghost Rider]

CJ has totaled 20 touches exactly TWO times in his entire career. Zero times this season. In one of those games he totaled 70 yards on 22 touches. How does that illustrate he can handle the large workload over a period of games and/or produce if he's "the man" for the Bills?

I like Spiller's upside too but let's be realistic.

And in the other game, he 167 total yards and two touchdowns on 21 touches. How nice of you to ignore that.

 

[skedssays]

CJ has totaled 20 touches exactly TWO times in his entire career. Zero times this season. In one of those games he totaled 70 yards on 22 touches. How does that illustrate he can handle the large workload over a period of games and/or produce if he's "the man" for the Bills?

I like Spiller's upside too but let's be realistic.

And in the other game, he 167 total yards and two touchdowns on 21 touches. How nice of you to ignore that.

And it was last year against....wait for it...Miami.

 

[donkshow]

I'm trying to buy HARD right now.