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I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?
I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?
I recall seeing a standard of 100 gold = 100 elixir = 1 DE somewhere on the CoC forums, but of course that is subjectiveSo what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?
Personally I value 1,000 DE > 400,000 elexir.
So if you used 333 DE, that's for sure 130k+ elexir in my book.
/Zubayr
NorvilleBarnes said:I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?BostonRob said:So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?
Good point, I guess I overvalue DE due to the fact that I don't have a drill...NorvilleBarnes said:I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?BostonRob said:So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?![]()
I found myself valuing elixir more than DE for the first time immediately after the TH8 upgrade. Just so much stuff right off the bat (lab upgrade - 1M, DE drill - 1M, DE drill upgrades - 1.5M + 2M, plus initial troop in the lab) that needs the elixir, but I'm finally over that hump.
Once triggered, either type will target one of your units anywhere on the amp, including crossing the map if he has to.culdeus said:CC do, but heroes don't.VA703 said:I did notice this before but forgot. also I think like CC once triggered they will follow you across the mapculdeus said:I did learn something though. I thought I could drag his BQ and AQ across the map with the CC troops. defending BK and AQ attack the nearest person to them regardless of if they picked up a target already. This is not the same AI as CC troops have.
The more you know.
Per my CoC spreadsheet, at TH8 the biggest bottleneck is the lab. If you have 4 builders, they will run out of things to build before your lab is finished. So if your TH7 lab is done I would consider stepping up.Good point, I guess I overvalue DE due to the fact that I don't have a drill...NorvilleBarnes said:I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?BostonRob said:So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?![]()
I found myself valuing elixir more than DE for the first time immediately after the TH8 upgrade. Just so much stuff right off the bat (lab upgrade - 1M, DE drill - 1M, DE drill upgrades - 1.5M + 2M, plus initial troop in the lab) that needs the elixir, but I'm finally over that hump.
I really consider jumping over to TH8 for that and the lab upgrade (done with all upgrades in the lab for TH7), but I still have a couple of upgrades to complete, but would like to have drags in all barracks and get the pink crystal wall all over... Hmmm... tricky one...
I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I am a recent TH8 and I wish I had some of that elixir I burned through with mass dragon attacks at TH7 just because I had the elixir to burn.NorvilleBarnes said:I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?BostonRob said:So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?![]()
I found myself valuing elixir more than DE for the first time immediately after the TH8 upgrade. Just so much stuff right off the bat (lab upgrade - 1M, DE drill - 1M, DE drill upgrades - 1.5M + 2M, plus initial troop in the lab) that needs the elixir, but I'm finally over that hump.
Yep. In total you need almost twice as much gold as elixir at TH8 (that's including labs but excluding walls) but you need most of that elixir up front. Lab, DE storage, DE drill, lab upgrades, etc. are front-loaded.I am a recent TH8 and I wish I had some of that elixir I burned through with mass dragon attacks at TH7 just because I had the elixir to burn.NorvilleBarnes said:I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?BostonRob said:So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?![]()
I found myself valuing elixir more than DE for the first time immediately after the TH8 upgrade. Just so much stuff right off the bat (lab upgrade - 1M, DE drill - 1M, DE drill upgrades - 1.5M + 2M, plus initial troop in the lab) that needs the elixir, but I'm finally over that hump.![]()
Thanks. I recall you saying you were bursting at the seams with elixir down there, and wondered if that is common. Maybe I'll swing by.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
No no. You stay up there. There are absolutely no houses for rent in Tuscany!Thanks. I recall you saying you were bursting at the seams with elixir down there, and wondered if that is common. Maybe I'll swing by.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
I came in at 116,900 elixigbomb said:115820 elixir
320 DE
Beat that.
I award this to Acer. Style points for 0 DE.I came in at 116,900 elixigbomb said:115820 elixir
320 DE
Beat that.
0 DE
Wash?
Honestly, I don't think 90% of the clans have any idea what to do with a honeypot. JA only is attracting one or two attacks a round.I want to set up a honeypot trap for the next war...is that cool?
You win. I'll take the DE difference all day.I award this to Acer. Style points for 0 DE.I came in at 116,900 elixigbomb said:115820 elixir
320 DE
Beat that.
0 DE
Wash?
That was CLOSE Acer, like 2 archers left?I came in at 116,900 elixigbomb said:115820 elixir
320 DE
Beat that.
0 DE
Wash?
That was a nice job Acer, but there were 5 level 5 hogs in your CC.I award this to Acer. Style points for 0 DE.I came in at 116,900 elixigbomb said:115820 elixir
320 DE
Beat that.
0 DE
Wash?
The new setup with War bases being separate from main bases killed some of the value down there imo. Before the war bases were separate you were able to find a lot of the storage buildings near the outside of the buildings while the bases were at war. Now that is no longer the case and majority of the bases that have 200K+ resources have the storages locked up tight in the center so it takes a lot more resource commitment to get to it. Where I use to be able to hit bases for combined 200K+ and move on quickly to another attack, now either I settle for much less each attack to be able to move to the next attack quicker or go big and wait 20 - 30 minutes or even more depending on your army makeup. The latter is tough at sub200 since as soon as you log off you will be hit.Thanks. I recall you saying you were bursting at the seams with elixir down there, and wondered if that is common. Maybe I'll swing by.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
Yeah? Well I'm on my way. I'm going to be in the pool, I'm going to be in the clubhouse, and I'm gonna be all over the shuffle board court! I dare you to keep me out!No no. You stay up there. There are absolutely no houses for rent in Tuscany!Thanks. I recall you saying you were bursting at the seams with elixir down there, and wondered if that is common. Maybe I'll swing by.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
Thanks. I'm especially worried about the bolded, but I'm going to give it a shot. TH9 lab upgrades call for amounts of elixir like never before (6MM). Drastic times call for drastic measures.The new setup with War bases being separate from main bases killed some of the value down there imo. Before the war bases were separate you were able to find a lot of the storage buildings near the outside of the buildings while the bases were at war. Now that is no longer the case and majority of the bases that have 200K+ resources have the storages locked up tight in the center so it takes a lot more resource commitment to get to it. Where I use to be able to hit bases for combined 200K+ and move on quickly to another attack, now either I settle for much less each attack to be able to move to the next attack quicker or go big and wait 20 - 30 minutes or even more depending on your army makeup. The latter is tough at sub200 since as soon as you log off you will be hit.Thanks. I recall you saying you were bursting at the seams with elixir down there, and wondered if that is common. Maybe I'll swing by.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
/end whining.
But yea, resources are still there to be had.
I'm TH7, and see quite a few TH8s with 250k+ elixir, but they aren't jumping out at me everywhere, so you'll need to hit next quite a bit.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
Yea, the upgrades requiring elixir are always front-loaded every time you jump a TH level, and towards the end it is next to useless.Yep. In total you need almost twice as much gold as elixir at TH8 (that's including labs but excluding walls) but you need most of that elixir up front. Lab, DE storage, DE drill, lab upgrades, etc. are front-loaded.I am a recent TH8 and I wish I had some of that elixir I burned through with mass dragon attacks at TH7 just because I had the elixir to burn.NorvilleBarnes said:I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?BostonRob said:So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?![]()
I found myself valuing elixir more than DE for the first time immediately after the TH8 upgrade. Just so much stuff right off the bat (lab upgrade - 1M, DE drill - 1M, DE drill upgrades - 1.5M + 2M, plus initial troop in the lab) that needs the elixir, but I'm finally over that hump.![]()
As TH7 I was practically drowning in elixir. Though I started out giving out dragons back then just because I enjoyed being able to pay back for the good troops I'd got, before TH7 was done I was doing it as much to burn elixir so I wouldn't get attacked. I even gave serious consideration back then to starting a spell, canceling it so I lost half the cost, and repeat to get rid of elixir I had so much.Thanks. I recall you saying you were bursting at the seams with elixir down there, and wondered if that is common. Maybe I'll swing by.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
How about this one:I award this to Acer. Style points for 0 DE.I came in at 116,900 elixigbomb said:115820 elixir
320 DE
Beat that.
0 DE
Wash?
I know sometimes it's necessary to target elixir, but in my experience it's rare. I routinely pass up targets with 200k+ if they have no gold. At the end of TH6 I was sitting on 2 million elixir for over a week and rarely even got attacked.As TH7 I was practically drowning in elixir. Though I started out giving out dragons back then just because I enjoyed being able to pay back for the good troops I'd got, before TH7 was done I was doing it as much to burn elixir so I wouldn't get attacked. I even gave serious consideration back then to starting a spell, canceling it so I lost half the cost, and repeat to get rid of elixir I had so much.Thanks. I recall you saying you were bursting at the seams with elixir down there, and wondered if that is common. Maybe I'll swing by.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
Not nearly the case at TH8, though I still make enough I've kept my lab going continually and gotten some barracks upgrades done.
Also, some commentary on people trophy dropping if you have to disconnect. When I was TH7 it was annoying mainly because even if I wasn't boosted, I was still attacking every 5 minutes. So time dropping trophies again was time lost. Now as TH8, can't attack that frequent unless you boost all barracks because you are using most of your army every time.
I consider being trophy dropped as a TH8 a good thing. They are volunteering their base into my revenge list, letting me hit them from any trophy spot I want. Sometimes I don't even truly go sub200, I drop down to about 210 and quit. Check back 15 minutes later and I have 8-10 new bases I can revenge. And I find a large percent of those farmers who are the trophy droppers will drop trophies and quit. So often at least half of those bases I can revenge within 15 minutes of them having trophy dropped me.
Since I'm not attacking every 5 minutes, it's not a horrible way to get a new list of targets that I can craft my army to to deal with them specifically.
But if I'm boosting barracks, then yeah being trophy dropped is still annoying.
A lot of us would say it's easier earning gold at TH7. I would time things to finish every wall to purple and just hit max amounts of gold and elixir the moment your TH8 upgrade finishes.Good point, I guess I overvalue DE due to the fact that I don't have a drill...NorvilleBarnes said:I think it would depend on your TH and whether for not you had DE drills (and the ability to produce your own) wouldn't it?BostonRob said:So what is the DE-Elexir conversion value?![]()
I found myself valuing elixir more than DE for the first time immediately after the TH8 upgrade. Just so much stuff right off the bat (lab upgrade - 1M, DE drill - 1M, DE drill upgrades - 1.5M + 2M, plus initial troop in the lab) that needs the elixir, but I'm finally over that hump.
I really consider jumping over to TH8 for that and the lab upgrade (done with all upgrades in the lab for TH7), but I still have a couple of upgrades to complete, but would like to have drags in all barracks and get the pink crystal wall all over... Hmmm... tricky one...
You also see all the TH5 bases while a TH8 probably won't see any, or at least many, because of the sub200 filtering out bases that are too far off your TH level. So a TH8 is going to see a higher percentage of them because there are probably a lot more TH5's down in that range that are now filtered.I'm TH7, and see quite a few TH8s with 250k+ elixir, but they aren't jumping out at me everywhere, so you'll need to hit next quite a bit.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
If you all get in a pinch pm me. Ill be traveling but can maybe pull it offStill need 3 in fbg2 for war.
Never realized they filtered out bases. So many people with barely anything built that I assumed I was seeing every TH level there was. Interesting.You also see all the TH5 bases while a TH8 probably won't see any, or at least many, because of the sub200 filtering out bases that are too far off your TH level. So a TH8 is going to see a higher percentage of them because there are probably a lot more TH5's down in that range that are now filtered.I'm TH7, and see quite a few TH8s with 250k+ elixir, but they aren't jumping out at me everywhere, so you'll need to hit next quite a bit.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
I haven't paid enough attention to say exactly how the filtering is working, but if you try to attack right at 200 or right at 199 you can see the night and day difference. I suspect it is by TH level though.Never realized they filtered out bases. So many people with barely anything built that I assumed I was seeing every TH level there was. Interesting.You also see all the TH5 bases while a TH8 probably won't see any, or at least many, because of the sub200 filtering out bases that are too far off your TH level. So a TH8 is going to see a higher percentage of them because there are probably a lot more TH5's down in that range that are now filtered.I'm TH7, and see quite a few TH8s with 250k+ elixir, but they aren't jumping out at me everywhere, so you'll need to hit next quite a bit.I can say I do find plenty of bases with worthwhile elixir, 200k+. I'm not sure what the split is between TH8+ vs TH7 that are profitable for me but not as much for you as a TH9.Greg, true or false:
There are many TH8s with large elixir stocks in sub200 these days.
I don't want to drop 1500+ trophies to find out for myself. Actually the dropping I mind less than the climb back up.
I also hit TH9 and even TH10 frequently, though they tend to be more like blow open an outside compartment with 1 or 2 stores in it and pillage them and then give up, rather than try to level the base.
I think we're the hippie, freedom clan, so go for it. Would you be doing balloonion on any other base or would it just be for #2.For the Boog war that just started, are there any ground rules for first attack target?
I'd like to attempt balloonion on my counterpart, #2 . But he looks like an easy mark for both dragons and hogs, and I imagine at least 8 guys in the clan could 3-star him, so he'll be one of the first off the table. In other words, should I bother building an army for it? Or just hang back to see what is left over after the first wave of attacks? Doesn't matter to me much either way; it looks like this will be another one we have in the bag early.
Does this mean I need to stop showering while I'm there?Clayton Gray said:I think we're the hippie, freedom clan, so go for it. Would you be doing balloonion on any other base or would it just be for #2.sartre said:For the Boog war that just started, are there any ground rules for first attack target?
I'd like to attempt balloonion on my counterpart, #2 . But he looks like an easy mark for both dragons and hogs, and I imagine at least 8 guys in the clan could 3-star him, so he'll be one of the first off the table. In other words, should I bother building an army for it? Or just hang back to see what is left over after the first wave of attacks? Doesn't matter to me much either way; it looks like this will be another one we have in the bag early.
At least stop washing your jeans for the time being.Does this mean I need to stop showering while I'm there?Clayton Gray said:I think we're the hippie, freedom clan, so go for it. Would you be doing balloonion on any other base or would it just be for #2.sartre said:For the Boog war that just started, are there any ground rules for first attack target?
I'd like to attempt balloonion on my counterpart, #2 . But he looks like an easy mark for both dragons and hogs, and I imagine at least 8 guys in the clan could 3-star him, so he'll be one of the first off the table. In other words, should I bother building an army for it? Or just hang back to see what is left over after the first wave of attacks? Doesn't matter to me much either way; it looks like this will be another one we have in the bag early.
I like Clash Of Clans Builder, but I'm sure there are other sites out there.This may have been covered somewhere already, but is there a good resource for war base designs? I feel like mine is pretty crappy
Thanks. I just saw Gary's comment about 150 stars, and I agree this is definitely possible. That being said, I won't take the chance at scoring less than three on that #2 base (and wasting a clan attack from someone who has to clean it up). So someone who wants to go dragons or hogs can take it, and I'll go for one that is less uncertain.Clayton Gray said:I think we're the hippie, freedom clan, so go for it. Would you be doing balloonion on any other base or would it just be for #2.sartre said:For the Boog war that just started, are there any ground rules for first attack target?
I'd like to attempt balloonion on my counterpart, #2 . But he looks like an easy mark for both dragons and hogs, and I imagine at least 8 guys in the clan could 3-star him, so he'll be one of the first off the table. In other words, should I bother building an army for it? Or just hang back to see what is left over after the first wave of attacks? Doesn't matter to me much either way; it looks like this will be another one we have in the bag early.