Clemens balking at Congress deposition (1 Viewer)

[TitusIII]

NEW YORK (AP) ― Roger Clemens' lawyer wouldn't commit Sunday to having the pitcher give a deposition to congressional investigators, even as he said the seven-time Cy Young Award winner remains willing to testify in open session before a House committee investigating denials that he used performance-enhancing drugs.

http://wbztv.com/national/Roger.Clemens.Co...s.2.628841.html

From the NY Times:

Roger Clemens has bolstered his legal team, hiring a powerhouse Washington lawyer, Lanny A. Breuer, who represented former President Bill Clinton during his impeachment hearings as well as numerous corporations that were the subject of Congressional investigations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/sports/b...ml?ref=baseball

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

What a #####. That Texas sized mouth finally got him in over his head. We are the country that you the phrase "All men are created equal" while having slavery and wiping the Indian race viritually off the face of the earth. Our stock and trade IS forgiveness, but his defiance looks like it has him on the ropes.

 

[Knightro]

His new strategy

 

[Wrigley]

This guy is like School on Sunday.................No Class

 

[Koya]

Im just going to call him GUILTY.

Sorry, but that's life whe you take the tact(s) he has over the past few weeks in an atmosphere where your very union helped create an athmosphere of rampant and unchecked cheating, that is what you not only get, but DESERVE from the public.

Roger - roider who does not deserve to make the hall unless at this point, he proves his innocence. This aint a courtroom Rog, and you have f'd up every step of the way it seems at this point. G-U-I-L-T-Y

 

[dparker713]

Im just going to call him GUILTY.Sorry, but that's life whe you take the tact(s) he has over the past few weeks in an atmosphere where your very union helped create an athmosphere of rampant and unchecked cheating, that is what you not only get, but DESERVE from the public. Roger - roider who does not deserve to make the hall unless at this point, he proves his innocence. This aint a courtroom Rog, and you have f'd up every step of the way it seems at this point. G-U-I-L-T-Y

Im curious as to what part of this you find so objectionable? Hiring an attorney that actually knows what he's doing in front of Congress as opposed to one thats never been there before or being reluctant to provide a depostion when no other ball player testifying before Congress has been required to do so.

 

[Koya]

Im just going to call him GUILTY.Sorry, but that's life whe you take the tact(s) he has over the past few weeks in an atmosphere where your very union helped create an athmosphere of rampant and unchecked cheating, that is what you not only get, but DESERVE from the public. Roger - roider who does not deserve to make the hall unless at this point, he proves his innocence. This aint a courtroom Rog, and you have f'd up every step of the way it seems at this point. G-U-I-L-T-Y

Im curious as to what part of this you find so objectionable? Hiring an attorney that actually knows what he's doing in front of Congress as opposed to one thats never been there before or being reluctant to provide a depostion when no other ball player testifying before Congress has been required to do so.

I object to my expectation that this attorney will do his job and ensure that is (likely guilty) client will seek to avoid incriminating himself by going to the 5th card and such. Clemens can then go the "well, my new atty felt this was the wise route blah blah" but he no longer has that option - in the court of public opinion - because of his utterly defiant stance and insistance that he will answer any and all questions.This will be his "excuse" to reverse course. I for one will hold him accountable for his "promises" and if he breaks those promises I will judge him accordingly. Just screams to me... more guilty.

 

[Balco]

Im just going to call him GUILTY.Sorry, but that's life whe you take the tact(s) he has over the past few weeks in an atmosphere where your very union helped create an athmosphere of rampant and unchecked cheating, that is what you not only get, but DESERVE from the public. Roger - roider who does not deserve to make the hall unless at this point, he proves his innocence. This aint a courtroom Rog, and you have f'd up every step of the way it seems at this point. G-U-I-L-T-Y

Im curious as to what part of this you find so objectionable? Hiring an attorney that actually knows what he's doing in front of Congress as opposed to one thats never been there before or being reluctant to provide a depostion when no other ball player testifying before Congress has been required to do so.

If you have nothing to hide. If you are innocent, what is the harm in giving a deposition? Just curious on your thoughts. Roger sees people going down, he sees Dana Stubblefield in the NFL, and now possibly Miguel Tejada who all lied under oath. I think he realizes even he can't get away with it. You can never say with 100 % certainty whether someone is guilty, so I would put it at 99 % guilty, 1 % not guilty.

 

[Koya]

Im just going to call him GUILTY.Sorry, but that's life whe you take the tact(s) he has over the past few weeks in an atmosphere where your very union helped create an athmosphere of rampant and unchecked cheating, that is what you not only get, but DESERVE from the public. Roger - roider who does not deserve to make the hall unless at this point, he proves his innocence. This aint a courtroom Rog, and you have f'd up every step of the way it seems at this point. G-U-I-L-T-Y

Im curious as to what part of this you find so objectionable? Hiring an attorney that actually knows what he's doing in front of Congress as opposed to one thats never been there before or being reluctant to provide a depostion when no other ball player testifying before Congress has been required to do so.

If you have nothing to hide. If you are innocent, what is the harm in giving a deposition? Just curious on your thoughts. Roger sees people going down, he sees Dana Stubblefield in the NFL, and now possibly Miguel Tejada who all lied under oath. I think he realizes even he can't get away with it. You can never say with 100 % certainty whether someone is guilty, so I would put it at 99 % guilty, 1 % not guilty.

I don't usually criticize too harshly those who choose to plead the 5th - it is an inalienable right of ours to ensure we do not, even when we may not expect to, incriminate ourselves.However, when you posture like Roger did, you are not posturing for legal reasons, but rather to change the hearts and minds of the public. In that light, I will hold Roger to a far higher standard and any reluctance on his part to answer any and every question, considering his public defiant stance, will demonstrate to me only that he is more of a guilty lying scumbag.

 

[dparker713]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

 

[Koya]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Perhaps is was never asked of him in the Mitchell Report? Perhaps because he wanted to hopefully avoid direct confrontation with his hero Roger as long as possible? Maybe the threat of being viewed as a perjurer by Congress was enough for him to give up all the goods?

 

[Finless]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Funny, the way I see it the more Roger opens his mouth the bigger his hole gets. No one who is innocent asks for "the benefit of the doubt". This is going to get interesting.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Physical evidence a day after he testifies before Congress

AWESOME - perjury charges to follow shortly.

Cheating scum.

 

[dparker713]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Perhaps is was never asked of him in the Mitchell Report? Perhaps because he wanted to hopefully avoid direct confrontation with his hero Roger as long as possible? Maybe the threat of being viewed as a perjurer by Congress was enough for him to give up all the goods?

If Mitchell or the feds didnt ask for corroborating evidence to McNamee's charges, they'd need to be more or less brain dead. So, back in 2000 McNamee was anticipating a confrontation with Roger, yet he decided to try to postpone it as long as possible?

Dont see how the threat of perjury charges is greater than the threat of prosecution for steroid distribution and conspiracy by the feds.

 

[Koya]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Perhaps is was never asked of him in the Mitchell Report? Perhaps because he wanted to hopefully avoid direct confrontation with his hero Roger as long as possible? Maybe the threat of being viewed as a perjurer by Congress was enough for him to give up all the goods?

If Mitchell or the feds didnt ask for corroborating evidence to McNamee's charges, they'd need to be more or less brain dead. So, back in 2000 McNamee was anticipating a confrontation with Roger, yet he decided to try to postpone it as long as possible?

Dont see how the threat of perjury charges is greater than the threat of prosecution for steroid distribution and conspiracy by the feds.

I'm guessing here as we dont have all of the information. Perhaps Mitchell or the Feds felt they had enough to go on without probing further? I agree it sounds odd... but what would Mac be giving to Congress now that would be fake?

 

[dparker713]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Perhaps is was never asked of him in the Mitchell Report? Perhaps because he wanted to hopefully avoid direct confrontation with his hero Roger as long as possible? Maybe the threat of being viewed as a perjurer by Congress was enough for him to give up all the goods?

If Mitchell or the feds didnt ask for corroborating evidence to McNamee's charges, they'd need to be more or less brain dead. So, back in 2000 McNamee was anticipating a confrontation with Roger, yet he decided to try to postpone it as long as possible?

Dont see how the threat of perjury charges is greater than the threat of prosecution for steroid distribution and conspiracy by the feds.

I'm guessing here as we dont have all of the information. Perhaps Mitchell or the Feds felt they had enough to go on without probing further? I agree it sounds odd... but what would Mac be giving to Congress now that would be fake?

Well, Mac could be giving them items that had illict drugs introduced after use by Clemens or items that where Clemens' bio-matter was added. And how can they possibly corroborate that the bio-matter is from 2000-01, and not from some time after McNamee was granted immunity but before the Mitchell Report was published. On top of that, Clemens also has the Bonds defense that if he was injected he was injected without his knowledge. Given the total circumstances involved and the huge degree of publicity surrounding this case, I just dont see how this is just coming out now. Nor do I think the evidence he's going to produce is at all credible given the length of time since its supposed production. It all just reeks of fabrication.

 

[TitusIII]

Damnit Roger, if you simply had said, "Yes, I used PED, because the vast majority of professional athletes are taking them, and I believe them to safe for human use"...you may have been able to save your legacy. Now you look like a joke, a very rich joke, but a joke nonetheless...welcome to Pete Rose-ville...

 

[greenroom]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Perhaps is was never asked of him in the Mitchell Report? Perhaps because he wanted to hopefully avoid direct confrontation with his hero Roger as long as possible? Maybe the threat of being viewed as a perjurer by Congress was enough for him to give up all the goods?

If Mitchell or the feds didnt ask for corroborating evidence to McNamee's charges, they'd need to be more or less brain dead. So, back in 2000 McNamee was anticipating a confrontation with Roger, yet he decided to try to postpone it as long as possible?

Dont see how the threat of perjury charges is greater than the threat of prosecution for steroid distribution and conspiracy by the feds.

I'm guessing here as we dont have all of the information. Perhaps Mitchell or the Feds felt they had enough to go on without probing further? I agree it sounds odd... but what would Mac be giving to Congress now that would be fake?

Well, Mac could be giving them items that had illict drugs introduced after use by Clemens or items that where Clemens' bio-matter was added. And how can they possibly corroborate that the bio-matter is from 2000-01, and not from some time after McNamee was granted immunity but before the Mitchell Report was published. On top of that, Clemens also has the Bonds defense that if he was injected he was injected without his knowledge. Given the total circumstances involved and the huge degree of publicity surrounding this case, I just dont see how this is just coming out now. Nor do I think the evidence he's going to produce is at all credible given the length of time since its supposed production. It all just reeks of fabrication.

So people cry foul on stuff like this on Roger... but if it is Barry then the goods are good????

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

There is definately a potentially circumstanial nature to this "physical evidence", but I think it very much puts Roger in Check and he would be wise to watch his next move here.

If he knows he did it and he's still riding the denial train, his a very big fool who might fall off the Hall of Fame ballot in his first year of eligibility.

I think a segment of writers can live with PEDs, especially given that both sides of the ball were using them(pitchers and hitters). But I don't think they'll tolerate being lied to and if he lied under oath, I could see NO ONE voting for him.

Man, everything is big in Texas, including falls from grace!

 

[GroveDiesel]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Perhaps is was never asked of him in the Mitchell Report? Perhaps because he wanted to hopefully avoid direct confrontation with his hero Roger as long as possible? Maybe the threat of being viewed as a perjurer by Congress was enough for him to give up all the goods?

If Mitchell or the feds didnt ask for corroborating evidence to McNamee's charges, they'd need to be more or less brain dead. So, back in 2000 McNamee was anticipating a confrontation with Roger, yet he decided to try to postpone it as long as possible?

Dont see how the threat of perjury charges is greater than the threat of prosecution for steroid distribution and conspiracy by the feds.

I'm guessing here as we dont have all of the information. Perhaps Mitchell or the Feds felt they had enough to go on without probing further? I agree it sounds odd... but what would Mac be giving to Congress now that would be fake?

Well, Mac could be giving them items that had illict drugs introduced after use by Clemens or items that where Clemens' bio-matter was added. And how can they possibly corroborate that the bio-matter is from 2000-01, and not from some time after McNamee was granted immunity but before the Mitchell Report was published. On top of that, Clemens also has the Bonds defense that if he was injected he was injected without his knowledge. Given the total circumstances involved and the huge degree of publicity surrounding this case, I just dont see how this is just coming out now. Nor do I think the evidence he's going to produce is at all credible given the length of time since its supposed production. It all just reeks of fabrication.

So what's the theory here? That McNamee built tiny robot mosquitos that he used to draw Clemens's blood with, then planted that blood on a syringe and managed to age it to look like it had been on the syringe for 7 years? How would he possibly have access to Clemens's blood at this point?

 

[Koya]

Someone brought up a good point on radio:

Why does he have the goods on Clemens, but doesnt have samples from Pettite or the other guys Mac trained? This thing is getting weird, man.

 

[dparker713]

Well, McNamee claims to have phyiscal evidence. Link

I have to say that this info seems quite damaging to McNamee's credibility at this time. Why wasn't this info included in the Mitchell Report? Is he just giving this evidence to the feds, and if so why not earlier? Why would he care in 2001 that Clemens might not own up to taking steroids? I've got to say, the more that comes out about McNamee, the less inclinded I am to believe him.

I mean, maybe he was holding on to this stuff to blackmail Roger, but why wait till now to come forward with this stuff?

Perhaps is was never asked of him in the Mitchell Report? Perhaps because he wanted to hopefully avoid direct confrontation with his hero Roger as long as possible? Maybe the threat of being viewed as a perjurer by Congress was enough for him to give up all the goods?

If Mitchell or the feds didnt ask for corroborating evidence to McNamee's charges, they'd need to be more or less brain dead. So, back in 2000 McNamee was anticipating a confrontation with Roger, yet he decided to try to postpone it as long as possible?

Dont see how the threat of perjury charges is greater than the threat of prosecution for steroid distribution and conspiracy by the feds.

I'm guessing here as we dont have all of the information. Perhaps Mitchell or the Feds felt they had enough to go on without probing further? I agree it sounds odd... but what would Mac be giving to Congress now that would be fake?

Well, Mac could be giving them items that had illict drugs introduced after use by Clemens or items that where Clemens' bio-matter was added. And how can they possibly corroborate that the bio-matter is from 2000-01, and not from some time after McNamee was granted immunity but before the Mitchell Report was published. On top of that, Clemens also has the Bonds defense that if he was injected he was injected without his knowledge. Given the total circumstances involved and the huge degree of publicity surrounding this case, I just dont see how this is just coming out now. Nor do I think the evidence he's going to produce is at all credible given the length of time since its supposed production. It all just reeks of fabrication.

So what's the theory here? That McNamee built tiny robot mosquitos that he used to draw Clemens's blood with, then planted that blood on a syringe and managed to age it to look like it had been on the syringe for 7 years? How would he possibly have access to Clemens's blood at this point?

McNamee didnt stop training Clemens in 01 is my point. I know he was training Clemens while he was an Astro and its quite possible he was training Clemens while he was already under investigation. So its quite possible that at the feds had started to lean on him he took a syring used to inject B-12, lydicane, or whatever and added illicit drugs. I just dont see how you can verify the evidence as being genuine considering the length of time its been in an adverse party's possession.

 

[Wrigley]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

 

[ooofffaaa]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

Freedom?

 

[JuniorGong]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

Freedom?

the only way McNamee can guarantee his freedom is by being truthful and forthcoming with the Feds. If they catch him doing otherwise he goes to jail.

 

[boom king]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

Freedom?

the only way McNamee can guarantee his freedom is by being truthful and forthcoming with the Feds. If they catch him doing otherwise he goes to jail.

unless youre barry bonds

 

[Wrigley]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

Freedom?

Okay, why talk then? Congress balked at giving him immunity.Again, what does McNamee have to gain by talking about this?

 

[ooofffaaa]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

Freedom?

Okay, why talk then? Congress balked at giving him immunity.Again, what does McNamee have to gain by talking about this?

fame? a possible book deal?Dunno - I'm just playing along.

 

[Wrigley]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

Freedom?

Okay, why talk then? Congress balked at giving him immunity.Again, what does McNamee have to gain by talking about this?

fame? a possible book deal?Dunno - I'm just playing along.

Not the kind of fame I think anyone goes looking for.Just playing along too.I just don't get the Clem love......guy is dirty, got caught, now pay the price.

 

[dparker713]

What does McNamee have to gain by outing Clem?

Freedom?

Okay, why talk then? Congress balked at giving him immunity.Again, what does McNamee have to gain by talking about this?

fame? a possible book deal?Dunno - I'm just playing along.

Not the kind of fame I think anyone goes looking for.Just playing along too.I just don't get the Clem love......guy is dirty, got caught, now pay the price.

Guy is probably dirty, he has one guy levying allegations at him, so right now I dont think there is any price he needs to pay.

 

[Clifton]

Being reported Clemen's wife received HGH treatments from McNamee before appearing in Sports Illustrated.

 

[Koya]

Being reported Clemen's wife received HGH treatments from McNamee before appearing in Sports Illustrated.

I heard this on the radio. They mentioned that McNamee mentioned this - did he JUST mention it? If so, why would he wait and then drop this bombshell? This story keeps getting weirder and weirder. To take the jump to the guys wife in terms of accusations? Very interesting twist there.

This ain't goin away, huh.

That said, I don't really care if someone uses this for health reasons, looking good reasons, any reasons - if they are not part of some competitive sports league where it is illegal to use (or presumed wrong/cheating)

 

[Finless]

Being reported Clemen's wife received HGH treatments from McNamee before appearing in Sports Illustrated.

I heard this on the radio. They mentioned that McNamee mentioned this - did he JUST mention it? If so, why would he wait and then drop this bombshell? This story keeps getting weirder and weirder. To take the jump to the guys wife in terms of accusations? Very interesting twist there.

This ain't goin away, huh.

That said, I don't really care if someone uses this for health reasons, looking good reasons, any reasons - if they are not part of some competitive sports league where it is illegal to use (or presumed wrong/cheating)

I just think he's taking the gloves off now. He can't believe Roger's blatant denial. I find it hard to believe this guy would drag Roger's wife into things if this weren't true. Roger is the equivalent of a plane that just had it's wings shot off. He is spiraling. He's gone too far to come back now.

 

[Koya]

Being reported Clemen's wife received HGH treatments from McNamee before appearing in Sports Illustrated.

I heard this on the radio. They mentioned that McNamee mentioned this - did he JUST mention it? If so, why would he wait and then drop this bombshell? This story keeps getting weirder and weirder. To take the jump to the guys wife in terms of accusations? Very interesting twist there.

This ain't goin away, huh.

That said, I don't really care if someone uses this for health reasons, looking good reasons, any reasons - if they are not part of some competitive sports league where it is illegal to use (or presumed wrong/cheating)

I just think he's taking the gloves off now. He can't believe Roger's blatant denial. I find it hard to believe this guy would drag Roger's wife into things if this weren't true. Roger is the equivalent of a plane that just had it's wings shot off. He is spiraling. He's gone too far to come back now.

You have to wonder how the wife thing plays on Rog. I mean, its one thing for him to have convinced himself of whatever, and taking whatever chance - now his FAMILY is going down (and if she took them, I can't get mad because McNamee brought it out after Rog is trying to kill whatever reputation he may still have). As you said, perhaps McNamee just finally realizes that Roger is everything he hoped was not reality hence the hard evidence, and now this about the wife.Crazy stuff.

Then again, a Family that juices together...

 

[Sea Bass]

 

[Koya]

So, only Clemens and McNamee are going to testify tomorrow. I wondered, why not have the others? Why not have Petitte testify... from espn:

"sources said that Pettitte was not a good witness when he appeared before congressional lawyers during a deposition on Monday. Pettitte often contradicted himself, so the committee agreed to his request not to appear before the committee.

Lawyers familiar with the hearings would not say if Pettitte implicated Clemens as a steroids user in his testimony. However, they said that Pettitte's testimony didn't fully jibe with Clemens' versions of events. "

Now, interesting enough that Petitte contradicted himself. And at some point contradicted the Rog, as well.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

So, only Clemens and McNamee are going to testify tomorrow. I wondered, why not have the others? Why not have Petitte testify... from espn:"sources said that Pettitte was not a good witness when he appeared before congressional lawyers during a deposition on Monday. Pettitte often contradicted himself, so the committee agreed to his request not to appear before the committee.Lawyers familiar with the hearings would not say if Pettitte implicated Clemens as a steroids user in his testimony. However, they said that Pettitte's testimony didn't fully jibe with Clemens' versions of events. "Now, interesting enough that Petitte contradicted himself. And at some point contradicted the Rog, as well.

Maybe they felt like they got enough from Pettite's deposition.Let's face it this was going to be about Clemens and McNamee anyway, now we are just getting straight to it.

 

[Koya]

So, only Clemens and McNamee are going to testify tomorrow. I wondered, why not have the others? Why not have Petitte testify... from espn:"sources said that Pettitte was not a good witness when he appeared before congressional lawyers during a deposition on Monday. Pettitte often contradicted himself, so the committee agreed to his request not to appear before the committee.Lawyers familiar with the hearings would not say if Pettitte implicated Clemens as a steroids user in his testimony. However, they said that Pettitte's testimony didn't fully jibe with Clemens' versions of events. "Now, interesting enough that Petitte contradicted himself. And at some point contradicted the Rog, as well.

Maybe they felt like they got enough from Pettite's deposition.Let's face it this was going to be about Clemens and McNamee anyway, now we are just getting straight to it.

Everything points toward Petitte implicating Clemens to some degree - at the least. The consensus is that Petitte did not want to be forced to restate what was said in the deposition, which would essentially be contradicting Clemens while they would both be in the same room.At this point, it's game on.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

It's game over for Roger.

The only two questions left to answer is will he make the Hall of Fame and will he serve any jail time.

 

[Clifton]

It's pretty clear if Pettite had information that would save Roger's ### he'd be there. He doesn't want to implicate his buddy. Clemens is a ridiculous tool bag.

 

[Koya]

BTW, could Clemens have a more annoying, more (apparantly) misguided "dream" team of attorneys? The whole bit about pointing the finger back at reporters and everyone with the Duke reference.

Last I recalled, the Duke thing was one DA run amock trying to nail some kids on the inconistent word of a freaking hooker. Here you have MLB, Former Sen. Mitchell and consistent evidence from many many sources including Petitte himself. Anyhoo, though it should be mentioned.

 

[Wrigley]

BTW, could Clemens have a more annoying, more (apparantly) misguided "dream" team of attorneys? The whole bit about pointing the finger back at reporters and everyone with the Duke reference.

Last I recalled, the Duke thing was one DA run amock trying to nail some kids on the inconistent word of a freaking hooker. Here you have MLB, Former Sen. Mitchell and consistent evidence from many many sources including Petitte himself. Anyhoo, though it should be mentioned.

Not Hookers?

 

[Koya]

BTW, could Clemens have a more annoying, more (apparantly) misguided "dream" team of attorneys? The whole bit about pointing the finger back at reporters and everyone with the Duke reference.

Last I recalled, the Duke thing was one DA run amock trying to nail some kids on the inconistent word of a freaking hooker. Here you have MLB, Former Sen. Mitchell and consistent evidence from many many sources including Petitte himself. Anyhoo, though it should be mentioned.

Not Hookers?

I believe they prefer to be called, whores.

 

[Da Guru]

Clemons is used to getting his own way, when he went on the attack I am sure he thought he would blow everyone away. The guy is a lying, cheating SOB!

Roger should have just come clean saying he got caught up in that stage of the game.

 

[Wrigley]

PROOF OF ROIDS

 

[Da Guru]

Andy Pettite just ratted Clemons out. Andy is a good Christian and could not tell a lie.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Andy Pettite just ratted Clemons out. Andy is a good Christian and could not tell a lie.

Although he lied when he said he did it only twice...I am surprised by I am interested in watching the questioning...I am not sure why they didn't ask Andy if he told Roger that he took HGH?

 

[Wrigley]

OH NO

photographic proof of Roger at Party.............I think someone is in HUGE trouble(if true).

 

[Sea Bass]

OH NO

photographic proof of Roger at Party.............I think someone is in HUGE trouble(if true).

I think Roidger was miss-seen at that party.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Per Rotoworld:

A man who attended the party said he has photographic proof that Roger Clemens attended Jose Canseco's shindig in 1998.

Clemens gave sworn testimony that he wasn't at the party, and Canseco recently backed him up. However, the unnamed man attended the party when he was 11 years old and took photos of his baseball heroes, including Clemens. "We have reason to believe it's reliable evidence," Richard Emery, lawyer for Brian McNamee, told the Daily News. "We believe there's photographic evidence that shows Clemens was at a party he says he wasn't at."

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I am pretty sure that the negatives Misinterpret seeing Roger at the party!

Why would Jose Canseco lie for Roger? Say what you will but Jose has just about been the most reliable source since he, in part, broke the entire steroid scandal.