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Wed, 11/10/10. Brian Cashman flies to Arkansas to meet with Lee. The Lee camp insists they will take their time choosing a team.
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CLIFF LEE FREE AGENCY THREAD (1 Viewer)
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DropKick
Footballguy
Where do YOU hope he lands? Texas, New York, Boston... the National League?I hope they find a way to keep him in Texas. I'm all for competitive balance and Ranger fans got a taste of something for the first time... It would be sad for baseball as a whole to watch them slip backward (ala the Brewers) in that manner.
Balco
Footballguy
Rangers will still have a very good team, even if they lose Lee. They are not devoid of pitching, like the Brewers were after CC left.I cannot see the Yankees not signing Lee. They can spend whatever they want because they have a blank checkbook. The only thing that might prevent Lee signing with them is the fact some Yankee fans spit at his wife. But money usually cures all.
DropKick
Footballguy
Not devoid but take an Ace off any team... Much less margin for error and certainly less formidable in a post season series.
JohnDoe
Footballguy
Yes, the Yankees can spend whatever they want. But I will offer one theory as to why he would choose to stay in Texas over NY. He is close to home (they bought a house in Little Rock earlier this year) and his wife really likes the fact that they are only a short flight away. His situation is unique in that his family has always lived at home during the season and not in the city he has played in. They only were able to see him pitch when he was on the road in Texas.
Bogart
Footballguy
Greenberg, Ryan and Daniels flew out to Benton, AR to meet with Lee and his family. I really doubt they came with any different news than what they have been telling him for the last 3 months, but it is nice to see the team keeping up a solid front.
If the rumors of a 7 year offer from the Yankees is true, it will be in Texas' best interest to go elsewhere. I want Lee in Texas as bad as anyone, but no 32 year old pitcher is worth a 7 year deal.
If the rumors of a 7 year offer from the Yankees is true, it will be in Texas' best interest to go elsewhere. I want Lee in Texas as bad as anyone, but no 32 year old pitcher is worth a 7 year deal.
Bogart
Footballguy
Rumors out there that the Rangers have made their offer and it is a 5 year deal, no word on the money.
I guess they could fire out there with a 5/125 offer, drive home the no state income tax, close to Arkansas, and no one in the state of Texas will pour beer on his wife card. 25M a year would be a bit more per year than the Yankees initial offer.
Of course than the Yanks will just offer 7/150 and we will be done.
I guess they could fire out there with a 5/125 offer, drive home the no state income tax, close to Arkansas, and no one in the state of Texas will pour beer on his wife card. 25M a year would be a bit more per year than the Yankees initial offer.
Of course than the Yanks will just offer 7/150 and we will be done.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
I don't see Lee as a go for the money kind of guy. I think if Texas is in the ballpark, with at least 5 years, there's a real good chance he stays. I'm rooting for ya's.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
As an A's fan, I don't want to see him sign with Texas. As a baseball fan, I don't want to see him sign with New York. What are my other options?
coolnerd
Footballguy
I have seen some Washington Nationals rumors here and there
Premier
Footballguy
If he doesn't sign with the Yankees, they'll just trade for somebody or sign Crawford. So it really doesn't matter, imo.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Not one other player the Yankees acquire this offseason can make the impact Cliff Lee can.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I've seen those as well but I've also read reports he's looking to go with a 'winner'.
Premier
Footballguy
I just assume they'll trade for Grienke if they don't get Lee.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
This wouldn't surprise me. Still, they'd have to at least give up some players and Greinke <<< Lee.
Eephus
Footballguy
Wilson, Chase, Madison, Cleveland, McKinley, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, Hamilton, Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington
Bogart
Footballguy
I know, I know....pipe dream for Ranger fan. I need something to grasp onto with this situation. But cash is king in the end.
Shtaym Syek
Footballguy
Meh. Four of those were just above-average pitchers going into their deals.Kevin Brown was the first that came to mind when hearing these rumors, and he did fine. We're talking about seven pitchers, three of which did fine over their contracts.
Hard to conclude anything from this.
Shtaym Syek
Footballguy
Probably, but if they have the money, why not? It's much better than signing a mediocre pitcher at 10-14M per, which they've done several times in the past. If you look at it as 4 years at 33M per, that's probably a better analogy. They're overpaying, sure, but why not? They'll get more money in revenue than that.It's better paying Lee that much than overpaying for someone like Pavano for less money. Lee will win you games.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
Like his performance in the world series this year?
Shtaym Syek
Footballguy
Yeah, a 2.13 postseason ERA is terrible. Let's completely gloss over his dominance in every playoff series except the one you cherry-picked.Good job.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Yankee offer is reportedly 7 years for 161-165 million. Rangers have reportedly gone up to a 6 year deal with some kind of option for a 7th. Incredible for a pitcher whos 33 next season.
Balco
Footballguy
Rangers need to walk away. The Yankees can handle the albatross this contract will be in 3 to 4 years, the Rangers can't.
Cut off talks, get on the phone with the Royals (Greinke) and Rays (Garza), and make some trades. They have enough young talent to get both of thos pitchers. And they will be less than Lee's salary combined.
Cut off talks, get on the phone with the Royals (Greinke) and Rays (Garza), and make some trades. They have enough young talent to get both of thos pitchers. And they will be less than Lee's salary combined.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
According to the Yankees Cliff has rejected their 7 year 161 million dollar offer. Reports are they may raise it to 7 years 175 million.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Cliff should keep saying no until they hit $200 mil.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I think its clearly obvious hes willing to sign with Texas for less. Yanks should walk away
Eephus
Footballguy
his next scheduled start is in April
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Yea he better decide real soon, he doesn't want to push back any starts.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
In before $221 million over 7 years.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Not really. Rangers have some very wealthy owners. That said, at these prices, im almost hoping the yanks do land him.
wilked
Footballguy
We are not comparing wealth of owners, otherwise the Twins would be the ones scooping up Lee
MLB Team revenue, Yankees crush the Rangers by at least 50%, and I think it is higher. The only way Lee goes with the Rangers is if he leaves money on the table. I just don't see it happening
MLB Team revenue, Yankees crush the Rangers by at least 50%, and I think it is higher. The only way Lee goes with the Rangers is if he leaves money on the table. I just don't see it happening
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Its widely believed the silent billionaires behind the rangers might be willing to cut a check for lee out of their own pocket. If so then their wealth does matter and revenue doesnt.
Koya
Footballguy
I heard talk of the Texas owners possibly dipping into vast personal funds to keep lee. Personal is key here, because it seems like the Rangers organization has taken this whole Tex-Yanks thing personally. The spitting incident, some of the comments from Ryan. I could see some wealthy to the brim oil guys and their crew ponying up to keep the Yanks and NY from getting Lee (and I dont even mean that in a derogatory way - I just think pride is at stake. Personal pride, regional pride etc.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
As I've said all along, I'd be shocked if the Yanks don't end up with Lee. As I've also said all along, I don't want to sign him. I think Greinke is a better pitcher, especially going forward over the next 4-5 seasons, and I'd be much more in favor of a trade to get him than going all-out for Lee.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
The Lee contract will end up being as much an albatross as the ARod deal if Texas does sign him - actually both teams are giving him way too many years - the guy is 32 now! I don't mind the $/yr so much - he is one of the better (but not best) SP in the game now
Likely the team that doesn't sign Lee is in the best position to trade for Greinke (assuming Minnesota and Cincinnati don't jump into that battle)
Likely the team that doesn't sign Lee is in the best position to trade for Greinke (assuming Minnesota and Cincinnati don't jump into that battle)
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Would you rather have Montero and Lee or Greinke (if that was the cost - it would likely be Montero and more)
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't think the Yankees get him. It's just a vibe I got. Lee going to the Yanks still allows them to compete with Boston this year. If he doesn't go to NY...they'd be better off going into the season with what they have rather than get desperate and trade away blue chippers.
cheese
Footballguy
I really don't understand your position. You actually think Greinke is a better pitcher right now? Given that you said "especially going forward", I'm thinking you mean he is already better right now. If so, what could possibly make you think that?Even if I (or anyone else) agreed with this, Greinke is going to cost a ton on the trade market. Lee only costs money, something the Yankees aren't exactly lacking.IMO Greinke is a really, really expensive consolation prize.Michael Brown said:
John Bender
Footballguy
No concerns about Greinke's head pitching in NY? that would be my major issue, guy is known to have melted down in the past, have social anxiety disorder, etc. Would be very concerned about giving up 2-3 blue chip prospects for that type of uncertainy
